| 1. |
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___WHAT - now I can't post at
all??____ |
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Get a life!
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| 2. |
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INDIA!NZ |
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I just left my thoughts AGAIN in the other thread and it
gone as well.!!!!!!! Someone has nothing better to do with
their finger tonight. Go on, Push the delete button
again.
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| 3. |
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Is it worth |
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any of us posting here?
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| 4. |
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Now I rarely post, but often
read |
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AND I admire you two so much!
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| 5. |
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3 words I'm sure you have heard
before... |
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Get over it!!!
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| 6. |
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well... |
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I have sat back and said very little about the moderator
issue since an ex-moderator attacked me personally a couple of
weeks ago..to the point of naming me...and to date I have not
lodged a formal complaint to Trademe admin regarding that
episode but now with this repeated deletion of threads for no
apparent reason I most certainly will be emailing them
tomorrow morning with copies of threads to prove my point..and
my view...I think most people will have gotten the picture by
now as to who the mod is that has got the itchy finger
tonight...a quick scan around the mb will show the active
one...
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| 7. |
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Does it say... |
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anywhere on the site who the moderators are? Or better
yet, can someone put their handles in another thread? O r is
naming against the rules? It doesn't say so at the bottom of
the page.!
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| 8. |
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Well there are
those |
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who could tell you... but to do so on here would see
atleast the relevant post deleted... and on tonight's form,
the thread closed as well :o)
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| 9. |
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Gosh |
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This is what happens when I go and watch a couple of
movies huh? Geezzz real 'days of our lives' or should I say
'night of our lives' To be continued...... :-)
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| 10. |
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-gp- |
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are you there?
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| 11. |
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I am... |
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lol....dont bother so much these days but tis something to
look at while I have a coffee..lol
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| 12. |
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ok fair enough, |
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you do have copies of all last nights threads?
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| 13. |
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no...sorry... |
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spent hrs on the phone to a friend and when I got back
here saw that it had been a night of action..seems I missed a
lot
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| 14. |
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that's ok |
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Trade Me will find them, just thought I'd make it easier -
no worries. How's the wee one?
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| 15. |
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he is doing well |
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still in the incubator and will be until he has finished
his antibiotics but they have been able to have him out for
cuddles...hopefully tonight he will graduate to his mums
room..lol
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| 16. |
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That is really good to
hear |
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All the best to them - hopefully they won't be in hospital
too long.
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| 17. |
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ended up |
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coming out via the dotted line so a wee bit longer stay
anyways..lol but maybe Friday...
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| 18. |
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and |
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if you would like a pic...moozelee at
hotmail..ok...
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| 19. |
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oooooooooohhhhhhhh |
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yes please!
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| 20. |
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Iam not bothered
by |
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the whole 'mod' thing, what Iam fed up with is seeing the
constant stream of threads bitching and moaning about the same
old thing. Have you no life India ? Iam sure there are plenty
of others on the mb that would rather let all the drama die
down.
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| 21. |
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well said
appletrees |
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its getting rather boring and repetitive isnt it.
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| 22. |
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here we go again
:o| |
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obviously some people do not realise that its not the
mechanism that is being criticised, rather the inconsistent
application of rules that are arguably too restrictive. To
delete threads that in no way contravene the rules, but
criticise the application of them, just because of that
criticism is, to me, cause for alarm.
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| 23. |
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thanks gp - |
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will be in touch!
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| 24. |
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I presume, like children, if
ignored |
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they will go find another sandbox to play in.
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| 25. |
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Man ..... |
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don’t you just love condescension from those that have in
the past shown their penchant for posting banal &
repetitive inanities, for having the intelligence to question
an actual principle.
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| 26. |
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And that is NOT directed
at |
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India1nz!
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| 27. |
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the fact
remains... |
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that trademe is a business, and they can run it however
they choose, basically if you dont like it, dont use the
site.
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| 28. |
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The fact remains |
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its not the way Trade Me are running the site that is at
issue, its their abdication of the oversight of the message
board to people who seem ill equipped to perform that function
in a reasonable and balanced manner.
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| 29. |
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stanley1 |
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your post says it all! I could not have said it better
myself.
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| 30. |
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stanley |
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Stanley, I agree with you unreservedly in this matter. The
sad fact remains that few seem to cogitate the maxim such as
your good self and Indianz et al are remonstrating. In my
experience it is pure ignorance coupled with a general
laissez-faire that pervades this society today. It is a sad
indictment indeed when the majority do not have the foresight
or lack the energy to defend basic principles of
morality.
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| 31. |
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My vote too... |
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one of our mods is a power mad little pratt...pure and
simple. I guess this post will be gone soon after 6pm, wont it
?
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| 32. |
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Mmmmm |
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But hey .... which one ??? MrL®
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| 33. |
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Image |
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that the threads are pretty safe during retail hours. Only
problem is knowing whether they are safe on a Saturday or
Sunday. Guess it depends on what weekend shift the trigger
happy one is rostered on.
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| 34. |
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Amazing how some
have |
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jumped from the ship to the row boat...hmmmmmmmm GP /India
I agree with most of what you've said ....I still await the
day there is just a big blank space where the msg board used
to be....
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| 35. |
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reasonable and balanced
manner. |
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I dont believe that a 23 yo garden worker can even
comprehend what that means. As I have said before-a nobody
misusing power that was regretably given to them by
questionable means. This person is on a personal crusade where
reason, logic, fairmindedness and intelligence is replaced by
bigotry.
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| 36. |
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Think I will
just... |
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save this thread now, as it is getting close to 6pm. Seems
I am not the only one to have a long memory, huh legal
?
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| 37. |
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bravo all who voiced there
disapproval |
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except this thread will dissappear when the garden centre
closes and they come home to do thier real work as a General
in the NZ morality police. Perhaps a better job would be as a
human shield protecting Sadam from the evil west. lol
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| 38. |
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Yes |
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I dont believe it will make it to 12 hrs. The pettiness of
some, particularly this nasty individual whoever it may
be!!!!!lol
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| 39. |
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LegalBeagle |
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Perhaps you would be kind enough to clarify your comments
re a 23 yr old garden worker? Or are you perhaps speculating,
just as everyone else in this thread is SO good at doing
?MrL®
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| 40. |
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hmmmm |
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i am just poping in to say that i had nothing to do with
the removal of any of the posts last night, unfortunatly there
seem to be some very small minded people on here who cant see
past the fact that there were more mods then just me. i relise
that you wont belive that it wasnt me, but thats no skin off
my nose.
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| 41. |
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*sigh* Ive been away too
long.. |
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can someone tell me why exactly are these threads
mentioned getting pulled?
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| 42. |
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Sandy it's a case of
blink |
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and you miss it.. they are disappearing faster than they
can be put up....It's a case of the God's must be crazy
allowing this bs to continue......
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| 43. |
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so there're |
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disappearing without breaking any of the rules!!??
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| 44. |
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MrLoud |
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No-one has to clarify anything as most of the posters are
privvy to the historical data. If this alludes you then you
must not read the threads with any degree of thoroughness. And
nijo if the hat fits-------
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| 45. |
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correct |
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.
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| 46. |
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43 |
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yep.... as quick as lighting.. blink and there
gone....
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| 47. |
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whatever |
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continue thinking what you will, i have stated that i
removed none of those posts, if you want to contiue on your
little witch hunt go for it, as i have said if you are that
small minded it is no skin off my nose
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| 48. |
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nijo |
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Uhmmm your statement "unfortunatly there seem to be some
very small minded people" seems to have a ring of truth about
it when one reflects on your history to date. I would suggest
you look up hyprocrosy in a dictionary-spelt nijo
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| 49. |
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What I am most annoyed
about |
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is the fact that I keep getting accused of 'abusing' mods,
when I'm not, and also more than anything else, why the hell
do MY threads always disappear?? I do not and have not broken
any of the pathetic rules that are now in place. nijo, if what
you are saying is true, that leaves 2 other mods that it could
only have been last night.
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| 50. |
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plenty |
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more 'fish' in the sea guys...lol
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| 51. |
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well |
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india just because a mod isnt posting does'nt mean they
are not on the mb!!
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| 52. |
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or |
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maybe you should try playing bobs..lol
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| 53. |
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I thought we only had 3 or is it
4? |
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How many are there? Or is that another of those tricky
questions that us at the 'lower' level are not allowed to
know?
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| 54. |
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K just butting in
here |
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Until now I've left this alone. Because I wanted to hear
what Nige had to say first. He said he wasn't the one pulling
your threads Indi so surley that shows that it wasn't a
personal vendetta on his bahalf anyway. I have no reason not
to trust what he says, so I have no doubt that it was another
mod doing the pulling. They may have had the same reasons as
you suggest though, and are protecting a mate. Who knows, but
if it wasn't him then surley all this Nijo bashing can stop
can't it? You 2 have a clash of personalities, if he wasn't a
mod would there still be an issue?
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| 55. |
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... |
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Theres a few ppl on the MB I really dislike so I stay away
from them where possible. (not only because of diffrent
opinions but mainly because I don't like the ppl they are
online. They may well be the nicest person ever to their
friends and offline but I don't feel that way so I use my iggy
button in my head.) What I would like to see is the other mods
giving reasons for pulling threads and to stop hiding in the
background where it's nice and safe. And yes I also have no
doubt that Nige isn't perfect, but who is? His age shouldn't
even have been bought into this, let alone his career. I
personally think that if we have to have mods then it's good
that they are diffrent ages and from diffrent backgrounds.
Ballance is a good thing.
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| 56. |
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scorps |
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WHERE (once again!) was I 'nijo' bashing?? geez, I AM NOT
abusing mods!
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| 57. |
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scorps |
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just a question...were you on last night when all the
threads were pulled?
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| 58. |
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Scorps re: Nijo |
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I absolutely agree with what you have said. India, I don't
think that the bashing comment was specifically aimed at you,
but in the general comments throughout this thread I would
say. :-)
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| 59. |
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Scorps |
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Well said !!
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| 60. |
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Heya indi.... |
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That comment wasn't aimed at you, though re-reading I can
see how it looked that way. Sorry, it came across like that I
should have worded it better, I was in a rush to stop the
dinner burning so didn't proof read lol
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| 61. |
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no worries |
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thanks for clarifying...hope your dinner didn't
burn!
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| 62. |
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Thanks sojo :O) |
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glad it came across as it was meant to someone lol. In
saying that though I can fully see how it didn't. *smacks
hand*
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| 63. |
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Hey scorps |
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I apologised to india last night and it got
pulled.
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| 64. |
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lol yeah it did |
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But... it was only the mans kai anyway so worries aye
hehehehe
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| 65. |
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daisygirl..... |
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what did you apologise for??
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| 66. |
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lol |
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nevermind - I got ya
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| 67. |
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Yup daisy I saw
that |
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I'm fully not saying I agree with those threads being
pulled cause I don't, but I don't think Nige should be taking
the brunt of it when he's the only one thats come forward to
say it wasn't him. I don't blame the mod that did do it for
not speaking up as they are bound to get it with both
barrells, and IMO they deserve some flack for pulling some of
those threads. I didn't see the need and I doubt anyone would
have either. So basically I'm saying I beleive you have reason
to be mad, but there must be a better way to sort it out. Make
any sence?
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| 68. |
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I'm all for a better way
but, |
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what would you do if 6 of your threads were pulled/closed
in a matter of 5 mins? Or any of you, that are so quick to
jump on me, for that matter?
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| 69. |
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And yes, |
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I spoke to admin on the phone this morning and emailed
them, but they said it will take time for them to go through
the MB archives and look at all the posts and mods involved.
But I will still be on here, posting responses to your posts.
And I appreciate the support that has been shown both through
the MB and 'other' ways! What some of you don't realise is
that I am not just angry about my threads being pulled but
everyone else who has had a thread pulled for no good reason,
and there will be more, if people don't stand up and say it
needs to be consistent, none of this 'you pi** me off so I
will pull your thread! And no, admin do not review all threads
pulled, only those they get complaints about.
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| 70. |
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I do understand
Indi |
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I was peeved a few days ago when all the *** ones were
being pulled. There were no rules broken in them either and I
too voiced my concerns. I also think there is very little
consistancy in what gets pulled and what stays which gets on
my nerves something cronic. But how can we fix that? They are
all individuals and diffrent things are going to offend
diffrent ppl. Last night (just as with our threads about ***)
the threads were pulled to show the "power" and I don't think
thats right. The only reason I posted in here is because Nige
said he didn't do it so he shouldn't be coping any flack for
it. I relise he's going to anyway because he's a mod, but it's
the personal comments that were made about him that i think
were abit off.
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| 71. |
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Most dont see the real issue
India |
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As I said earlier"The sad fact remains that few seem to
cogitate the maxim such as your good self and Indianz et al
are remonstrating. In my experience it is pure ignorance
coupled with a general laissez-faire that pervades this
society today. It is a sad indictment indeed when the majority
do not have the foresight or lack the energy to defend basic
principles of morality." As is the case here. The proverbial
ostrich mentality
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| 72. |
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scorps re nijo |
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I believe the critisism's are based on historical facts on
previous behaviour. People have every right to judge on that
as you yourself admitted in doing (with to quote-disliking
people you have never met) That must also be based on the same
historical information in your case, that you are so
hyprocritically complaining about here. Somehow that doesnt
seem to be balanced now does it.
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| 73. |
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lol |
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bummer ya didn't get to read my last post b4 hitting send
on that one huh :O) I guess the moral is don't be too quick to
judge, wait until ya know the facts. I can't blame you though,
the threads where I was having a wee vent at the mods were
pulled within minutes so I can't have expected you to have
read them.
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| 74. |
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Geez scorps!!! |
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you are slipping... you spelled heaps of words right in 54
and 55 LOL. The REAL point is, you are SO right in all you
say. Fair enough to suggest that one mod may have a conflict
with a particular poster, but rather unfair I think to
assassinate their character without proof. Given that Nijo has
admitted pulling threads in the past I see no reason why he
would deny it now. The original thrust of the "argument" here
was that the mods should be consistent and within the "rules",
not deleting for no apparent reason... perhaps it will get
through now that this is a real issue and not something that
will go away if enough threads are deleted
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| 75. |
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lol shuddup |
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I mean er... Please refain from opening your mouth about
my spelling. *mumbles bout them damn spelding nazis!*
hehehe
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| 76. |
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I find that the inconsistency
shown |
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by the moderators here intolerable & the sad fact is
that it seems to have got worse. I can see that they have
totally different personalities, and what offends one may not
offend another. But as has been stated before they were ALL
given a clear set of guidelines, and this included that a
thread was to be ‘removed’ as a last resort & that a
reason of not less than 12 characters was to be given for it’s
removal. IF the posts haven’t contravened any of the rules set
out by TM, how can the mods honestly justify the removal of
them…. & how can TM sanction their actions? At that point
I feel things have become a ‘personal issue’. In all honesty
if the mods can’t stand what is seen by some as ‘mod baiting’
(personally I think it’s more just a case of questioning
ethics), then they aren’t really cut out to be mods….a mature
person would just ignore it & let it fade away.
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| 77. |
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errr |
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sorry to be pedantic but it was 10 characters deb
hehehehe
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| 78. |
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damn, could have
sworn |
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it said 12, but the point is the remains :o)
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| 79. |
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yes it does stan |
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just wondering though, what does my career have to do with
the message board, and my age?? Because im in my 20's does
that make me less of a person???
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| 80. |
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"as a last resort" |
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is what gets me. If thats the last resort then surley they
should come outta their hiddyholes and get involved in the
threads and try to "moderate" them b4 they go to far. I
actually thought that was what the moderators were going to be
all about as well as pulling OTT threads and ones started by
MB trolls. More fool me. If I had known that they would get to
sit behind the sceens and make judgements without even finding
out what the whole story was I personally wouldn't have agreed
with having them in the first place. Well maybe 1 or 2 to
remove troll threads and to close threads that were getting
out of hand until admin could check them out and restore them
if they felt they should be. And this isn't a slap in the face
to the mods, it's just my opinion of how I thought it was
going to be.
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| 81. |
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well |
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thats what i tried to do, and what do i get for it?? Being
told im on a power trip which is nowhere near the truth. Guess
ya just can't please some people
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| 82. |
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Let it go mate |
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I think they relise that was uncalled for. I doubt many
would agree with them bringing that into it. You know who ya
are mate, let them think what they like. By asking them it's
just leaving yaself open to more abuse.
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| 83. |
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when |
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did you make the great change then nijo...and if thats
nowhere near the truth then I guess that saying is
correct..you can fool some of the people some of the
time...but you cant fool all of the people all of the
time...some of us have long memories.
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| 84. |
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And yup honestly ya just can't
aye |
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This whole thing is such a catch 22.
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| 85. |
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and gp |
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it's not a change, i have never or ever will be on a power
trip. I think you should look at your self if you want to see
someone who has changed
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| 86. |
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Fully concur with you
GP |
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and equally it seems that a few have selective memories
when one is challenged.
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| 87. |
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The sad part about it
all |
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is that the mod(s) that get accused of pulling threads
have to defend themself(ves) while the REAL culprits or should
I say mods that ARE pulling the threads are probably sitting
in front of their moniters laughing there heads off. Now THEY
are the kids around here.
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| 88. |
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I think |
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it was established very early on just who the power hungry
mod was ..and me changed ...no way...like many others I got
sick of the one rule for you guys one for the rest of the
plebs...add to that the "I will delete this because I can "
mentality ...and you can see why so many of the regular mb'ers
have elected to remain silent until admin get their shit
together.
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| 89. |
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I absolutely agree with you there
Sandybb |
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and that means it is down to two!
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| 90. |
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hmmmm |
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i know a certain trader who would beg to differ with you
gp on the you not changing bit, hang on make that 3
traders
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| 91. |
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nijo |
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you better than anyone should know better than to make
personal attacks. And let's not forget the REAL issue
here.
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| 92. |
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now come on nijo.. |
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a moderator bringing other traders into things...be a nice
boy and name some names then will you...
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| 93. |
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Ummm guys |
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dont turn this into a personal attack, it just gives the
mods a valid reason to remove the thread.(Even though personal
attacks aren't stated in the rules )
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| 94. |
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maybe that's what's happening
deb... |
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a reason to close/pull the thread maybe?
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| 95. |
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yes your right
india |
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but if you had been getting it from all quarters for the
last however many months over a supposed "powertrip" would'nt
you give some back too???? For the last time i am not or was
not on a pwertrip. Sure my personality might come accross that
way on the screeen but alot of peoples does as well. If you
knew me then you would understand, but as you don't, it
does'nt seem right to judge me. Seems like it's guilty untill
proven innocent around here
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| 96. |
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and gp |
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no i won't, i have respect for my friends that i have met
from trade me and will not name them here.
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| 97. |
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IMO re: critisisim |
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While it may be acceptable(by some)in general. Personal
attacks in my view are uncalled for regardless of the
reasoning.
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| 98. |
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Starting to look a lot like
baiting |
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from where I sit. As stated earlier if a trader agrees to
be a moderator than I would expect that they would/should be
able to handle some flax from members. Par for the course I
would think. Turn a blind eye and things might improve. Always
reackon the quickest way to end a disagreement is to walk away
from it.
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| 99. |
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nijo |
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The only reason I got my back up in the first place with
you was the thread you pulled of mine when this moderation
first began. And you are right, I don't know you personaly,
but alot shows through about people's personalities when they
post on here. Last night when those other threads were pulled,
it was sheer flaunting of power - nothing else. Whichever way
I turned they were either deleted or closed - WHY?
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| 100. |
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i dont know |
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i did not remove them as i have stated
|
| 101. |
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BUT |
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Trade Me informed me today not just one mod can pull, it
has to be agreed upon in your mods thread. Or did I get that
wrong? So, in saying that, there was definately more than one
mod involved - of that I have no doubt.
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| 102. |
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woooooo |
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i got the hundy
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| 103. |
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nope |
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one mod can pull a thread, does not have to be in
agreement with any other mod at all.
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| 104. |
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ok then, |
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you being a mod, and being on last night at the time - how
many other mods were on? No names of course, would not want to
alienate you from the mod crowd, but how many were on at the
time?
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| 105. |
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as far as i know |
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there was another 4
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| 106. |
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Has anyone else
noticed |
|
how the good old, stropy, aggressive debates have gone
since the moderators have taken over the board. There just
isnt the same old fizz around now. Yep yep yep
yep.........
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| 107. |
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so |
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one of the mods tells bullshits then...
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| 108. |
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episode 2 |
|
tune in same time next week j/k
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| 109. |
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Yep dizzy |
|
and 'so are the days of our lives'
|
| 110. |
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OK SO WHY |
|
were the 2 threads headed india1nz and india1nz and
daisygirl closed off and not pulled. They are still on message
board. Taking up valuable space. There could be something else
more worthwhile to read. I am still awaiting a response from
TM after my complaints this morning. Good evening india1nz,
Hope you had a great day.
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| 111. |
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zing..... |
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has sure gone outta the message board these days hasnt it
folks? What happened to those days when we could mention
whatever was bothering us on here and rip off traders now
threads get pulled and no names are ever mentioned. Come on
mods why do you pull these threads most of the time it is
without reason isnt it?
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| 112. |
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evening daisygirl |
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yes I had a great day - thanks.
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| 113. |
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right |
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off to bed to watch a video now, have a great night all,
ya hear
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| 114. |
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COME ON admin!! |
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Hasnt all this baby snatching away from someone BS gone on
long enough?? When you gonna DO something about it and be
loyal to your members??!!!??
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| 115. |
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well ally27 |
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if it takes creating another user to hide behind so you
can spill the beans then GO FOR IT.....lol..
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| 116. |
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Bye bye post |
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and Nijo said 4 others... so we have a new one (or more)
at a guess. Or else someones been telling porkies lol. I'll go
with the new one, it would explain why a thread popped up
today that was abit hmmmmmmm. Drumming up support I guess.
Ahhhh the politics of it all LMFAO
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| 117. |
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oh and you forgot |
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to mention the other mod...eilznay in gibberish if you can
work it out. lol . still a mod ya reckon or left the clan as
it were? What are your thoughts as a ""newbie"" ?
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| 118. |
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lol arhhh |
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What was that you were saying sandy. Sheshhhh that was
quick! lol
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| 119. |
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we are missing a post -
lol |
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where is it? What was it?
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| 120. |
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lol |
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now i dont make any sense. oh well im sure that post of
mine will go in a minute. hoped someone saved it..
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| 121. |
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I reckon the 'old' one is still
'one'! |
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too much arrogance for me.....
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| 122. |
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it was from that
newbie |
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putting all the mods names down. No one we didnt already
know about. Obviously daddys lurking huh...
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| 123. |
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lol Sandy |
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"newbies" seem to be a common thing at the moment. I've
worked out some but buggered if I can get em all lol. And
Indi... the "newbie" stated who the camera shy mods were and
like my post about a week ago it vanished *poof* even
lol
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| 124. |
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lol |
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oh - ok - maybe the 'newbies' aint stupid and can see
what's going on here!
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| 125. |
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JUST LIKE MAGIC |
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I have to say that is the first time a post has
disappeared before my eyes. (I have never been on when it all
happens) so now I know what you lot mean when you get pi**ed
off when it happens. I blinked ...... and it was gone.....
magic.
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| 126. |
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lol ally27 |
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I for one am not surprised. What was that you wanted
scratched? lol :-)
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| 127. |
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India1,G.P. |
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I support u Both in what u are fighting for and in "FACT"
E-Mailed Trademe Admin to this Effect which to my Surprise i
Got a Reply.. Plse don't ask me to post the Reply Here but it
was a Very interesting Answer to my concerns re Mod's/Personal
attacks/Lack of Professionalism etc.. I Do Think now Based on
That reply that Things will change (Hopefully for The
Better)
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| 128. |
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seems like there were a few of us
in contact |
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with Trade Me today then...hopefully, they will act
appropriately.
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| 129. |
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what I really cant believe
here.... |
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Is the total lack of respect that some people show for
other peoples privacy, there may be many reasons for a
moderator to want to remain annonymous, how would any of us
know those reasons. We are members of a site that happens to
be a business, that business is not owned by the members, no
matter how much income the members provide or create for the
business. We are bound by the rules of the site, that we agree
to adhere to on joining. The mods are doing a job, an unpaid
job, with little thanks, do they really deserve constant abuse
or nasty comments, they do not have to show themselves, or
justify themselves to us, the members, if we dont like it, its
our choice whether we continue to visit the site or not, or
find somewhere with less restrictions to share our gripes or
opinions.
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| 130. |
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Hi India.. |
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Shud have said it took abt 3 day's or more for the
Reply..However a response was received.. Do Beleive trademe
admin are as concerned as Other's are re This Rather shambolic
Situation..
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| 131. |
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colin |
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Yep recieved same info myself
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| 132. |
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CAN ANY ONE TELL
ME |
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how many of the mods are male or female??
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| 133. |
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collinnicolls |
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If I was to mention that the first site on my favorite
websites is ours could you send me a copy of email.
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| 134. |
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male dominated - |
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who knows...(no offense to the males out there of
course!)
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| 135. |
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2 of each |
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as far as I'm aware though if there have been more added
then it's anyone guess. It was male dominated until Stan and
Noodlez stepped down.
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| 136. |
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#137.. |
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Sorry Answer is No.. Reason being it was a Professional
Reply to Genuine Concern's I Had and as Trademe had the
Decency to Reply in What i beleive to be an Honest up-Front
response to my Concern's it is not for General
debate..
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| 137. |
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Fair enough |
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:-)
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| 138. |
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It is the right of every
NZ |
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citizen to be able to see who their accuser's are.We are
given the right of freedom of speech.The moderators by
accepting the Judgemental roles that they have over others are
interferring with our rights to speak freely.I agree with the
others and I will say it my way. Who the hell do the
moderators think they are sitting in judgement over their
fellow traders. They are not lawyers,judges,or by any legal
defination in a posititon to judge yet they hide behind their
screens sitting back and judging us...They do not have that
right and I can not understand T.M's mentallity is pitting
trader against trader.Some mods have jumped ship like rats
leaving a sinking ship and now want to play in the row boat
with the rest of us sharks that are circling well I say sorry
no room. Nobody has the right to judge me and I strongly
object to people that think they can unless they are the law
which none of the mods are counting till this is
removed..
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| 139. |
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I think it is so
funny |
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one particular traders comment, cant remember the exact
words, but the moderator shouldnt bring personal issues into
it. What a joke, when half the threads have been personal
issues, but I have to agree leave your personal issues with a
trader or moderator at home. I have been sticking up for the
mods and a couple on here I have a lot of respect for, not
knowing who the others are I cant say, but boy oh boy was I
getting p...... off today when I went into to have a look
around and buggar me, just about everythread I went into was
closed and for the life of me I couldnt see why.
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| 140. |
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I got to the point
where |
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I just couldnt be darn well bothered. Come on Mods pull
threads that slander another traders name not others that have
a good old debate, hell I miss that. I want a debate gimmmme
gimme gimme. Im another one NOW whose had enough of this darn
boring threads. Not this one, well you know what I mean. i
went into the thread the other day went to leave a message
pushed view, and poooffff wooosh it was gone. I thought I was
amaging it was there in the first place.
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| 141. |
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You could also bet |
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your life they are slagging traders off in "THEIR OWN
MODERATORS ONLY THREAD" and yet we don't get right of recourse
with that thread oh nooooooooooo... Yet we are censored in
every other thread by these Self appointed Judges.....
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| 142. |
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I was just thinking the exact same
thing |
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of course they are! Power to the people - or should that
be power to 5?
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| 143. |
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well |
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blow me down I didnt even know there was a moderators only
thread, oh well Im sure its all nice about ME. lol. (tongue in
cheek) Well i have to say i give nijo his dues at least he
came in and I have a lot of respect for helen, she stillis one
isnt she? so come on you other 3 show yourself...... were
waiting. And poofff this thread is gone.
Yes....No.....
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| 144. |
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Yep they do |
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It's hidden from us little people ..Only the gods are
allowed to see it.
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| 145. |
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I think - |
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if we MUST have mods, why not have it so that there are
around say 20-30 and it is done on a rotational roster. Say
one week there are 5 and the next another 5 and so on. For
one, it would take the heat off (because no-one would know who
was pulling), and another, it would keep personalities from
clashing so much as it would be alot more fair in the respect
that it would not be the same 5 mods all the time. Also, it
would give the 'other' mods a break from having to 'police'
the MB all the time - they could post like you and me, and
possibly experience having their own thread or post pulled!! -
now I like that idea! lol. That's only if admin don't see
sense and insist on keeping mods in place or should I say 'in
their place'??
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| 146. |
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I don't think |
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t.m would like that idea as to many conflicting gods would
turn the paddling pool into a spa pool...It would be exactly
what's happened here.. I can't work out whos moderating the
moderators as some of their post's should be removed for
deliberately picking fights,slagging members off,and generally
stirring the pot.Yet their post's remain...... So who mod's
the mod's....
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| 147. |
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Actually india |
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You make some good points. Only problem is we will end up
having heaps of threads with the heading: OK which one of you
20 + mods pulled my thread? I believe as you do that there is
much to be looked into as far as this moderating system is
concerned. And IMO TM put this system in place so they should
be the ones taking the responsibility for it and making the
revelant changes/improvements (Whatever those
changes/improvements may be)and sooner rather than later.
:-)
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| 148. |
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hey, I'm grasping at straws here!
lol |
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anythings gotta be better then the present system.
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| 149. |
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Yep |
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I hear ya india. I'm off to bed shortly, you have a good
nights rest and a great day tommorrow. :-)
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| 150. |
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Thanks sojo :) - you
too!! |
|
It has taken me all damn night to cover the kids books!!
lol, between that and refreshing...arghhhh...my daughter is a
horse lover so I bought some plain duraseal (much thinner and
harder to put on then last year!) and have been cutting up a
horse calender - so she will be wrapt when she sees it in the
morning!
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| 151. |
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Awwwww |
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Shucks, she is one lucky little girl. I'm sure she'll love
it india! Nite nite all! :-)
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| 152. |
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Pow states in her post of
#142 |
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"Some mods have jumped ship like rats leaving a sinking
ship and now want to play in the row boat with the rest of us
sharks that are circling well I say sorry no room." After all
of the blurb about freedom of speech & the accepting of
judgmental roles (which I totally agree with), I find it
incomprehensible that she is presuming to know the reasons why
the mods that gave up their moderator status, in fact did.
Surely it has occurred to her that it could be for the mere
fact that they totally agree with the first part of her post
& did not feel that it was their place to be in a position
to supress peoples complaints & concerns. It appears now
however, that the mods are not the only ones being
judgmental!
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| 153. |
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Just posting to say
hello |
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India you are a great Mom covering the books. I did it for
years and still have to help teen son but daughter does her
own now which is such a saving on time. My kids had a good
start to school so I am pleased as it's stressful the first
day back.
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| 154. |
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Hey there hodiah2 |
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Well, all the way through covering them I kept saying to
my husband 'I'm not doing this again!!' lol, I had sticky
stuff for miles and he just kept laughing at me say I would
proberly do it every year until the kids left school!! lol.
Glad to hear your children had a good start back...does not
take long to get back in the swing of things! Must admit,
while the holidays are great, I do miss the routine of school
(for me I mean, not the kids!), I get organised each day alot
quicker but my 2 year old misses his sisters
terribly!!
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| 155. |
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the way I see
it... |
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is that the moderators are there to protect TM's
interests. If people think they are there to edit what we say
then I think you are looking at it from the wrong angle. I
think threads about dodgy traders are deleted because TM don't
want a defamation suit (however unlikely that is) and I think
certain threads are closed (rightly or wrongly) for lots of
reasons, competition, advertising, etc but also because some
of them criticise TM. I don't see the point in anyone knowing
who the moderators are as it will just create more of these
threads, I do think however the moderators should mellow a
bit.
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| 156. |
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# 152 |
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when this situation with moderators first raised it's ugly
head you leapt on me and others,like a rabid dog on a bone,you
abused,insulted, and generally just stirred the pot and you as
I understood it were not even a mod but seeing one.(thats your
buisness) However.. now you expect me and others to think you
have changed your mind about the moderators....Well sorry
that's gonna take some getting used to..Not all those that are
annoyed about your abuse to us are going to post on the msg
board... Just a few do post their disgust at this and now you
have the cheek to say what you have above and expect us to
swallow it...
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| 157. |
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POW |
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yes agree with you re 152-it is clear that hyprocosy is
some peoples strengths
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| 158. |
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I just hate the |
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way some run with the wolves then try to hunt with the
hounds...makes me sick....at least the majority have been
consistent with their disgust at this whole mess....T.M must
have a dam good laugh over these threads.....
|
| 159. |
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#156 & #158 |
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I really do think you have somewhere along the way missed
a thread…. or 10. At the start I protested at the way the mods
were implemented, and in fact was one of the first to post my
protest at the way EVERYTHING was being handled. Obviously you
have missed another 30something threads that I've posted to in
the interim….or possibly just have serious issues with regard
to one of the (now ex ) moderators, which is certainly how it
came across at the beginning. If having the ability to be able
to see both side’s of a story is a character fault, then I’m
pretty much stuffed aren’t I? Personally I find selective
memory (or is that selective reading) a far more annoying as
it only serves to make the poster look ill informed. I know
for a fact why the moderator being referred to withdrew….but
not for one minute do I feel I have to justify or explain the
reasons to you. You can believe what you want, as your beliefs
are of no interest to either of us, suffice to say there are
many that know the reasons and admire th
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| 160. |
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..... |
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admire the fact that someone had the courage of his
convictions enough to make them.
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| 161. |
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We wouldn't even
be |
|
having this debate if they hadnt set themselves up a judge
and jury of their fellow traders.Therefore backing out after
the event is of little consequence and does not make for an
excuse of now said difference of opinion on the whole
situation.You also set yourself up as judge and jury over
others by your repeated attacks on others that disagreed with
the moderators being set up in the first place now you expect
us to accept that you have now jumped camps...I for one have
read through 99.9% of the threads from start to finish on this
subject I have not posted in them all but I refuse to sit back
and be abused by somebody like you.hypocrisy is a funny thing
to waatch when it happens so keep the laughs coming.Off to
make a cuppa and get a cushion to watch the show.loll
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| 162. |
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Certianly agree
with |
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you there pow. And again agree with you to Rim. heck twice
in a week already. I also was one that agreed and stuck up for
the moderators at the beginning and still do think they are
needed on this board. More for the milicious threads that get
started, not for an apinion stated but the ones with the
intent to hurt or try to ruin someones reputation. But some of
the threads lately that have been removed is way beyond me to
understand, why.
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| 163. |
|
What short term memories some
have... |
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surely I am not the only one that read Nigels thread
calling for members to submit their names if interested in
being a moderator, only to watch as others submitted peoples
names that they felt would make good mods. At the time it was
just something that TM was thinking about. Is it just me that
remembers the night that the moderators were implemented (by
TM admin in blind panic), dropped in the deep end so to speak?
It just might be of interest to others (that also missed it at
the time) to know that they had no prior warning that they
were in fact going to be put in this position. How can anyone
with a conscience say that “they set themselves up as judge
& jury”. Hypocrite….sorry to disappoint you but just
because I haven’t been posting regularly & you obviously
missed or ignored a lot of my early posts on the matter, it
doesn’t mean I’m going quietly change to fit your perception
of me. You call my posts ‘abuse’ when you are getting direct
digs in at two ex mods in post #138 using little animal
analogies
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| 164. |
|
.... |
|
now that is hypocritical, but they do say he who laughs
last…. laughs loudest.
|
| 165. |
|
I was |
|
one who didnt see the call up for moderators by Nigel.
Missed it all. But on the same token if indeed as you say they
were dropped in at the deep end, why didnt they just say no
until some rules and regualtions for the moderators were in
place. because at the time the fact was the title of Moderator
was so exciting. You may know more than the rest of us
regarding this but just because someones apinion is not the
same as yours does not always make them wrong. Im not sure if
anyone eles knows or not, i sure dont, how many names Nigel
has for would be wannabes, as one leaves then another one no
doubt will take that persons place. What then is the
moderetors only thread all about I wonder, does it have rules
for the mods, to follow. Do they infact discuss what threads
are to be removed, Parhaps Stanley and blast forgotton who the
other one was, can enlighten us all as to what rules they had
to follow if any.
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| 166. |
|
I admit that I |
|
orginally posted in the thread nigel put up about
moderators and expressed and interest in this position my
thoughts were that the mods were there to clean up the msg
board on weekends when the crap threads were put up and t.m
wasn't around.Then when the mods just appeared with no further
contact to the members regarding it the thread disappeared and
boom all of a sudden we have mods.When I expressed my opinon
on the fact that there had been no further comumincation with
members about it I was accused of having a case of sour
grapes.Which was a load of crap.The moderators blasted onto
the sceen setting themsleves up as judges by accepting with
little or no thought to the ramifications of their actions and
promplty started acting like bombastic a** holes.
Cont:
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| 167. |
|
what the ? |
|
what is going on here? deb is getting jumped on left right
and centre! I have also been watching threads, including the
one where Nigel proposed to have mods and invited names to be
put forward. NO-ONE knew what the implications were, I know I
was thinking it would be quiet, in the background moderation
NOT the in your face power trippers that are among us. So, in
saying that, how can anyone be judged on their previous views
- not knowing how the moderators would affect the MB? I don't
care whos jumping from the boat to the ship to the bloody
island! Everyone is entitled to change their opinion, are they
not? And in debs case I think it has been fairly obvious her
opinion has never changed, she just had her partner to
consider, who at the time, was a newly appointed moderator.
And my opinion has never changed either - I never supported or
agreed that moderators were needed.
|
| 168. |
|
is this thread
still |
|
going???? lol
|
| 169. |
|
yeah rem - |
|
wanna join in? lol
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| 170. |
|
then we all get |
|
accused of abosluetly ridiculous things by the mods and
certain other members and now that it's time to pay the piper
they jump ship.And expect us all to accept the fact that they
now see that the system was floored and there are consequences
to everything in life.A jury of one's peers and a court of law
are the only ones that have the right to judge anybody and
nobody I know in T.M members,or otherwise has the right to
censor anybody on a public msg board.They put the msg board
here they take the ramifications that come from it. Ref to
little animals well for gods sake if that's all you can make
of this situation then there is a a real problem out there.
You rammed your opinion's down other peoples throats then
expect us to accept this from you.Sorry it's a little hard to
take. It's really funny to watch people trying to back pedal
it doesn't get anybody very far.
|
| 171. |
|
sorry to cut you off
pow |
|
did not realise you were in mid post!
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| 172. |
|
. |
|
Food has replaced sex in my life, now I can't even get
into my own pants.
|
| 173. |
|
India |
|
that's fine no worries.
|
| 174. |
|
lol |
|
no i dont want to join in this thread lol, i have alot of
opionions (sp!) but i would rather keep them to myself
otherwize i would get disabled LOL.
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| 175. |
|
lol oh marilyn |
|
I so wish food would replace sex in my husbands life so he
wouldnt expect me to get into this pants (-0
|
| 176. |
|
Anybody else
notice |
|
the msg board states 179 post's in this thread yet only
175 showing?? MM what you smoking girl you in the wrong thread
or you trying to be funny..loll
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| 177. |
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pow |
|
trying to be funny.I havnt a clue what the thread is
about.But if theres this many posts it must be dead boring as
it still here and the moderators aren't interested in deleting
it.lol
|
| 178. |
|
#166 & #170 |
|
Nigels thread disappeared 3 days after it went up, and
then about 3 weeks later ‘wham’ we had moderators with no
warning or discussion in the interim. The moderator that
accused you of your posts being sour grapes is still a
moderator, so what’s your point? One has to wonder why your
post indicates that you feel your perceived ‘abdication’ by
two of the moderators is a recent thing? One that I know of
felt that the system was flawed from the start, which was his
exact reason for asking that his mod status be removed in
early December ….9 days after the mods were implemented. I’m
not back peddling, it was not I that put myself forward in
that very first thread. I do wonder how you’d feel if you were
one of the ones selected, & whether you would have turned
the post down immediately or given it a few days to see how it
was going to work. The funniest thing I’m watching is someone
that says she has read 99.9% of the threads relevant to this
make it obvious that there are more than a few she has missed.
|
| 179. |
|
Well somebody has been
busy |
|
Perhaps its time to clarify a few facts. I believe Kat2nz
is right, (*gasp* in a couple of points anyway) the mods ARE
there to protect TM’s interest, they are NOT there to edit
people’s opinion… HOWEVER, it appears that is exactly what
some of them have been doing. Yes Kat, whoever it is needs to
mellow… a LOT. My understanding of the role of a moderator was
posted very soon after the mods started… to use a light touch
to ensure that the message board was a pleasant place for all.
I followed that philosophy as far as possible. It did not help
the situation that a set of rather draconian rules were
imposed at the same time, and that, compounded by the way the
mods were introduced, caused significant tension in my
personal life.
|
| 180. |
|
contd |
|
Anyone to accusing Debdent of being a hypocrite, must have
been reading with blinkers on… or not at all. Deb’s criticism
on the message board was slightly more muted than customary at
first, out of respect to me, but scathing nonetheless. I can
assure you it was not so muted in private, and has been
consistent from the time the mods were introduced. If anyone
is accusing me of being a hypocrite by criticising after
“setting myself up as a judge”, perhaps they should consider
how they would react in the same situation. I was “appointed”
out of the blue after stating in Nigel’s thread that I would
NOT be considered because of my criticism of TM Admin in the
past. I chose to go with the situation to see how it would pan
out and, after just over a week, decided for a number of
different reasons, that I could not continue in that
role.
|
| 181. |
|
Mtcw |
|
I have only ever made one post re mods and that was not to
do with the aspect of them , that is the topic here.But I will
say I have have read many and I haven't seen any ,that suggest
debdent is being a hypocrite or that she has personally abused
anyone on this matter . I have not always agreed with her
posts on some matters over the time I have used this MB but
have always found her posts to be consistent and well
worded.And yes I go back to Nigel's original thread re
nominations for mods.I even recall the critcisms she posted,
mentioned by Stanley above and admired her for still choosing
to do so under the circumstances .
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| 182. |
|
You accepted the
post |
|
did you not.You can't tell me that you signed in one day
and found out that you were appointed a judge and jury over
the msg board without your consent. You accepted the position
thereby deeming yourself to be a judge over others.Simple and
as far as missing half the threads or readin with blinkers on
that is total and utter crap.As far as me having been offered
or not as I stated in the very begining when Debent accused me
of sour grapes that is not the case at all and wether the
thread disappeared 1 day or 4 after it was put it it shouldn't
of been removed so others had a better understanding about
what it was about.Don't start implying that I am the only one
disscusted at fellow traders for setting themselves up like
they have.
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| 183. |
|
I assume pow |
|
you have never accepted a job that you later found out
wasn't quite what you expected.
|
| 184. |
|
. |
|
Money can't buy happiness, but it sure makes misery easier
to live with.
|
| 185. |
|
Actually |
|
That is EXACTLY what happened... I turned on my computer,
discovered and email from Nigel, signed in and found that my
login had changed. I was NOT asked for consent, and in fact
when Nigel replied to my resignation he admitted that they
"could have done things better" As I have stated, I did NOT
seek the postion (unlike some) and found it untenable after at
least trying to make it work. As has been said before, look to
yourself and think how you would have reacted if you HAD been
appointed.
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| 186. |
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wow stanley... |
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you agree with something I said, thats a first.
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| 187. |
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stanley1 |
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I found you, as a moderator, to be the fairest out of the
lot. I don't see why you should have to explain yourself to
anybody on here. This is getting way to personal and I think
the real issue is the current mods - that are pulling for no
good reason, and certainly not for any reasons trade me have
listed!
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| 188. |
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I think its
obvious |
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that the moderators have mellowed a bit in the last day or
2 so it's gotta be time to move on & get over it ya
reckon?
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| 189. |
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It is not a case
of |
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whether I was appointed or not HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO
SAY IT'S NOT SOUR GRAPES GET IT.... Kiwicarol #183 Yes I have
had jobs like that but I didnt and wouldn't set myself up as a
censor over others the mods power trips are out of hand yet
T.M have done nothing about it they continue to let their mods
be abused I am sure they must think this the best comedy since
laurel and hardy did the who's on first stunt..Stanley yeah
right you all have the cheek to come down on me for being one
of the few to actually express what a HELL of a LOT of people
are thinking and won't post becuase they know they are going
to get the crap thrown at them as I have..Well so be it keep
it coming folks this is getting funnier by the minute. There
have even been post in this thread removed.funny that huh now
which mod was that I wonder.
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| 190. |
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well |
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I like Stanley.He is a nice person.How do I know you may
ask???Well I have seen him post and have talked to him in the
cafe.Some of the other moderators are total prats.Oh for how
the message board used to be,the stirrers and the people who
used to rack each other up.It just aint the same anymore.Bring
back the old days.
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| 191. |
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kat2nz |
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NO, I will not 'move on'. Have you had 7 of your threads
deleted for no good reason? I will not roll over and wait for
the next 7 to be deleted - period.
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| 192. |
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but india1nz |
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whats your alternative?
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| 193. |
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Pow |
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My comments where made re your stating hypocrisy and abuse
by another and nothing at all to do with my opinion of the
good or evils of the mods.
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| 194. |
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I wish |
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I had read all these posts cause I dont really know what
this is all about.I nkow of about 6 different traders who wont
post on here now.Rather sad really.
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| 195. |
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and if people don't like this
thread - |
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don't come in! If anough people protest regarding the
unjust pulling of threads, trade me have to sit up and take
notice - surely. If not, I, for one, will keep on
posting...and when one of your threads/posts is deleted for no
good reason, I'm sure you will join me!
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| 196. |
|
? |
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Have just noticed that the new trader posting last night -
that had all her posts deleted - has been disabled - ally was
the user name...wonder why? Did anyone know her? Or why she
was disabled?
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| 197. |
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I think I will |
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laugh it off & move on if my posts are deleted.
There's more to life than the MB & it's not worth getting
yourself worked up about. Have you seen any unjust pulling of
threads in the past day or so? I haven't. I personally think
the moderators have sorted it out, maybe all the complaints
made TM establish whats on & what's not with the
moderators. Why don't you give them a chance to get it right,
they're human just like us.
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| 198. |
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Ummm, excuse me |
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But I don't consider I have "come down" on anyone. I have
merely been pointing out that Debs comments have been
consistent, and that I have issues about the way SOME of the
current moderators have been acting. My comment about looking
at yourself was an invitation to examine how you would have
reacted if you HAD been appointed, especially under the
circumstance that eventuated, and absolutely NOTHING to do
with how you may or may not have felt when finding that you
hadn't. And Kat, please stop saying things I have to agree
with... its unnatural ROFL (It DOES appear that things may
have settled, for now anyway :o))
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| 199. |
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just take a look at
the |
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number of supposed post's in this thread it says 202 yet
when you read the msg's there is only 197 soon to be 198.So
this thread is even having posts pulled and I very much doubt
it's a community voting it off. Maybe they should bring in the
old system where is stated what post's were pulled.They could
have two verison's one that stated it was a community vote and
the other a moderators happy trigger finger.. Either way it's
about time this siutation was sorted out once and for
all.
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| 200. |
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How can you judge |
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if a post has been taken off for the right reasons if you
have not seen the post? From what very little I saw of the
ally persons posts I think they were probably quite
justifiably removed
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| 201. |
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200? |
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lol
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| 202. |
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but |
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I'm not getting into this arguement lol. this chicks all
arguemented out, I'll go on my merry way & be
mellow.
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| 203. |
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Oh for gawds sake
Stanley |
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I don't need you or your friends help to take a look at
myself or what I would or wouldn't of done.You keep going on
about me not being a moderator well so ferking what.I don't
lose sleep over that fact.What I object to is the holier than
thou attitude that makes the mods think they have the right to
sit in judgement i.e. censor another trader.Mother Teresa,God
or the Pope they are not nor our mothers or fathers so they
have no right to judge us.Yet they continue to do so Some more
than others have a happy little finger that as has been said
once before on the msg board they should sit on and rotate
maybe that will keep them amused rather than sitting and
removing threads for personallity reason's.India has had a
number of threads removed yet there is the consitent waste of
space with the rhymers,hogs and other childish threads
remaining.So where is the dam logic...
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| 204. |
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Some people |
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Enjoy those "childish threads". So is it safe to assume
from your comment you would now like to decide what the topic
of threads can be? Btw I am not one that particpates in those
you named but have no problems with those who wish to do
so.
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| 205. |
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Oh dear |
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I have to agree with Stanley already, thats three Ive
agreed with today now that is un natrual Stanley beleive me
lol. But I also agree with Kat. India you state you will not
stop, and I like kat wouldnt give a continintal if a post Id
started was removed, beleive me theres more two life than this
MB and it seems to have taken over yours. Imagine if you were
to drop dead tomorrow, ( god willing it would never happen)
but thered be the ususal oh no I am so sorry, with sincerity
im sure then in a couple days later you and your threads would
all be forgotton. TM may listen in time no doubt in a few
months or so, but maybe just maybe youll be talking to
yourself. Yes marilyn it would be nice to have the old days
back as long as threads that needed to be pulled were done so
immediately. Not this pick a number out of the hat that it is
now.
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| 206. |
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would you all rather I just go on
my way |
|
and leave you all to it? I so loved coming on here and
joining in with the threads that were running. They were
informative, funny, silly, sad and some just plain rude! But
as an adult, I am in control of myself and choose whether or
not I want to continue reading a thread if it 'offends' me. We
are all different and enjoy different things, just like our
opinions differ...so what's with making it so our opinions
have to resemble those of the mod pulling the thread that we
may actually be enjoying? Reminds me of cloning really, mould
everyone the way you want them to be. 'Screen' what they
read...we are adults for gods sake!
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| 207. |
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204 No I simply said
I |
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found them childish I don't post in them for that reason
control over what threads are titled don't be dam stupid.
India you hang in there girl don't let me beat you down or
scare you off they are not worth it.Hang in there...
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| 208. |
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And yes, |
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this MB is provided by Trade Me as an extension to their
auction site (for the use of discussing trades I originaly
thought), but Trade Me don't post here - we do. So should we
not have some input in what we want to read, after all, we are
the ones reading it. I have suggested many things right from
the beginning when the mods were first introduced, an R18 MB
aside from this one with un-moderated threads - similiar to
the R18 side of the auctions (not R18 meaning sex though!)
with a disclaimer etc popping up before entering, a rotational
roster for 30 or so mods, having 5 on at a time, changing
weekly so as to give a 'fresh' view on the moderation of the
MB each week, thus providing a great deal of anonyminity
(sp)...
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| 209. |
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and yet |
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I do understand where you are comming from. I did not see
your threads you started anyways, having been off the com for
a couple of days, so Ive no idea what they were about. So i
guess in actual fact I really cannot comment about them. What
I was trying to get across is I would hate to see you get hurt
by as you said a moderator who has it in for you. On
reflection I would probably do exactly the same and fight
back.
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| 210. |
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you know what? |
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I would not be doing this if my threads were breaking any
'rules'...but they didn't, and that's why I am speaking
out...it may happen to your thread/post one day, and THAT is
what I am trying to prevent.
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| 211. |
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I just got to learn to type
faster |
|
Well yoohoo I agree for the fouth time today, yes india an
R18 thread would be tops. That is a good idea.
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| 212. |
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YES AND |
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I am still waiting for an explanation from TM as to why my
posts to india were pulled the other night. They just
disappeared before our eyes and the other two threads were
closed. How long does it take them to give an
explanation????
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| 213. |
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Hitler's minions had a choice on
whether to serve |
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him and enact his plans. Likewise the moderators also have
a choice on whether they serve admin and enforce their
"rules". Fortunately some of them had the intestinal fortitude
to reject tyranny, and refuse to serve the "dark
master"...
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| 214. |
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jjbc |
|
so does that make me jewish?? lol
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| 215. |
|
. |
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I saw a woman wearing a sweat shirt with "Guess" on
it...so I said "Implants?"
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| 216. |
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India girl! |
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Don't you dear go anywhere! Yes there have been probs with
the new system some I disagree with too and somethings I have
no problem with. Fact is for me that TM it'self has to put it
right, noone else can or should have to. Anyways India, don't
you even think about leaving or anyone else for that matter,
this place just wouldn't be the same again. P.S India, why
would you want to girl? You'll just end up covering next years
books! LOL. Hang in there, times may seem tough sometimes but
you know what, it can only get better. And when all is said
and done, regardless of the differing opinions and emotions
that get thrown around here between traders we are still a
great community! xxx :-)
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| 217. |
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sojo - thanks! |
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and yes I agree, all the crap that has been going on here
aside, this is a great community and needs to stay that way!
And your right again - I would probaly start wallpapering or
doing something else 'constructive' at night if I didn't have
the MB to come and 'time-out' on! lol
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| 218. |
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india |
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go clean out ya wardrobe and find stuff to put up on the
auctions...I am doing 3 things while im in here.And now I
shall go vaccume.Yuck.
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| 219. |
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lol - mm |
|
I have searched high and low for more things to sell on
here...but to no avail!...hang on, there's always the fridge -
we don't really need it do we? nahhhh...back in a
tick!
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| 220. |
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Childish
threads..... |
|
POW - you may call them childish but do you know why so
many of us post on them? It's because we've posted on this
sort of thread before, hoping to have coherent input and a
valid discussion and been attacked by people like you - for
saying no more than statements like: Post # xx - Well said. In
fact YOU attacked me a couple of weeks for merely agreeing
with someone in the aforementioned fashion. Is it any wonder
we choose to have more innocent and less malicious fun
elsewhere? And pardon us for taking up space (not). :P
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| 221. |
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I have no prob with any threads on
the MB |
|
- each to their own. I like VARIETY!. I used to come on
and have a bit of fun in a 'silly' thread and then jump into a
heated debate and when I had had enough of that go back to a
'silly' thread again. But now....the pickins are gettin' slim!
(sort of - ya know what I mean!)
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| 222. |
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Kirinesha I have |
|
always made a point of staying out of those threads if
that's the way you all want to go fine I don't have to post in
them and don't your entitled to your opinion on them and you
are entitiled post what the hell you want in them.Personally I
think they are a waist of space time and energy that is my
opinion each to there own I don't remember every attacking
anybody for putting ** xxxx in a thread.You guys want to waist
your time in those threads go for it it's your time to waste
personally I have better things to do and far more intersting
threads to read than those. so bring on the next attack I am
saving all the post's in this thread so that will be
interesting in the future.
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| 223. |
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You... |
|
totally missed the point didn't you? THE POINT IS: THAT
YOU PISS PEOPLE OFF SO MUCH WITH YOUR ATTACKS THAT THEY WOULD
RATHER POST IN THE SILLY THREADS THAN THESE ONES. Get
it?
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| 224. |
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kirinesha |
|
who's getting pi$$ed off? you?
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| 225. |
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kirisesha |
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pot calling kettles black aye....
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| 226. |
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oh stop
shouting... |
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that is so rude and arrogant...not a lot of people post in
those threads though do they..so what does that say to you
kirinesha..that the majority of people see them for what they
are...offensive and downright crude...there is a fine line you
know and at a guess I venture to say that most people think
the cat threads and very often the rhymers ones cross that
line..just mtcw
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| 227. |
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Like anyone
else.... |
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I get annoyed when people only read the bits they want to,
and use selective memory to ignore or fail to absorb the rest.
It makes debating with them tedious and pointless, so you just
don't bother. It's easier to go away and play somewhere
else.......and this whole thread is no less silly than any
other one on the MB. IMHO ;-)
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| 228. |
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and are you meaning me or pow or
just |
|
everyone in general that posts on 'these types of
threads'? Why does this always turn into a personal attack?
This thread is here for one reason - to show my/our annoyance
at the mods/admin for taking or allowing the taking of
perfectly 'rule abiding' threads - not for personal attacks on
anyone!
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| 229. |
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Grannypam... |
|
we see you posting there frequently enough.
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| 230. |
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Oh so those
threads |
|
are all my fault ok thats a bit rich isn't it. Even I am
not vain enough to think I have power of what people post and
I don't censor them as I said you all wanna post in those
threads go for it.My opinion remains the same they are
childish waste of time,energy and space.. attacks oh I see so
I am not being and have not been attacked and now I am not
allowed to defend myself well hows about this for you and your
fellow msg board bullies..Get stuff.I will have my say whether
you like it or not..Somebody has to keep the mods in buisness
deleting threads and post's don't they and at least if they
are picking on me then they will leave others
alone...loll
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| 231. |
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ok my 2 cents
worth |
|
there are some real snarky bitches on these message boards
and some wanky guys too.I think for the women its hormones and
post natal depression.The guys ..well they just aint getting
enough.I aim to please noone on here but I tell you I have
respect for quite a few and also some I really do particually
like.They are the snarky witches.POW you are fine by me.Do NOT
let the cows on here get up ya noce.Swivel around in ya chair
and have a bloody good laugh.It aint worth getting het up on
here.Really isnt .The sooner they get rid of the idiot power
hungary MODS the better I say...Well a dollars worth
now.
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| 232. |
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geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
|
That felt gooooooood "sigh"
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| 233. |
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excuse me
kirinesha.. |
|
please get your facts right before accusing..I have never
posted in the cats threads..I wouldnt lower myself quite
frankly..yes I did post in a few rhymers ones but only when
someone else was absent...guess who...lol
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| 234. |
|
pow |
|
don't get me wrong! I am stated in general and by all
means DEFEND yourself after all - that's what I am doing
regarding my lost threads!! lol
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| 235. |
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oh granny |
|
cat threads lol/ And is POW a moderator.Shit I think ive
put me foot in it.Well thats just bloody tipical of the
girl.lol
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| 236. |
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oh geez |
|
that came out wrong didn't it!! lol
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| 237. |
|
I better go |
|
put the jug on as im not making much sence and my spelling
is expelladosish.I aint tiddly either.
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| 238. |
|
Marilyn |
|
NO and I don't want to be either loll As you can see I
already have a lot of power on the msg board according to
some, I am obviously reponsible for the threads that I
mentioned that I found a waste of space..I would just like to
see the mods doing there job and cleaning up the crap and not
doing the selective stuff they are doing at the moment.I may
argue with people or is that debate.eh what ever anyway I
still wouldn't be blacklisting or anything childish like that
but unfortunately personality difference's are a big thing for
the mods as some have and do delete selective peoples post's
for nothing more than spite and personality disputes... There
is no logic at all. They sit behind there screens with there
trigger fingers at the ready. and a lemon in their mouths to
make them sour on certain traders...
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| 239. |
|
geez, talk about twisting things
Pow... |
|
just as well you're now saving threads, might serve to
remind you what you've said that leads to the reactions you
get. Just a pity you didnt save them in the past, I can assure
you they make very interesting reading....and you're saying
the mods are 'sour on certain traders' LMFAO
|
| 240. |
|
hey POW |
|
I nkow for a fact that its a personality thing on here.Im
sure certain ppl have blacklisted and I really dont give a
toss and guess what I too know for a fact one scabby low class
ignorant moderator deleted 3 threads I started as it was
getting a bit too hot for them.Do moderatore actually get
paid?????What suckers if they don't.....While trademe make
1000s a day some idiots are there pulling threads thinkng they
are sooooo well you know hot s**t
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| 241. |
|
As usual you leap on
people |
|
knowing two fifths of ferking all about the situation and
assume so much knowledge on a subject you crack me up...lmfao
twisting this I don't think so,I see you have started to run
with the hounds again.. And of course your insults should just
be ignored because they aren't insulting oh that's right your
the only one around t.m that's consistent is what has been
said about you above..Well good for you I hope that makes you
feel good about yourself.I have no problems with what I have
written and I stick by my words...Just need to be careful
though as apparently I have a lot of power to start without my
name being in the orginal poster of a number of threads so
maybe I have loads more power...do-do-do-do lmfao
Next??
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| 242. |
|
Evidence below read kireshna's
posts.. |
|
totally missed the point didn't you? THE POINT IS: THAT
YOU PISS PEOPLE OFF SO MUCH WITH YOUR ATTACKS THAT THEY WOULD
RATHER POST IN THE SILLY THREADS THAN THESE ONES. Get it? She
gave me the power...use the force deb it may help you to
understand I twisted nothing...
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| 243. |
|
kirshara |
|
I thought was a reasonable intelligent person and knew
noone can piss anyone off with out their permission.POW why
would you have pissed anyone off???What did you say?
|
| 244. |
|
BTW |
|
I went swimming at Waihi Beach last week it was soooooooo
nice.Had been up tramping thru the old mines.So verry cool up
in the gorge.
|
| 245. |
|
MM |
|
I was attacked for making comments about some jumping from
the moderators ship onto our anti moderators ship and saying
there was no room for them..So I am stuck up for my beliefs
and backed India up and was attacked for it so I responded and
it's continued from there...Hell I can take it no worries I
won't lose sleep over it and stand by what I said as it hasn't
changed at all.Yeah the beach is nice at this time of the
year....
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| 246. |
|
ATTACKED????????/ |
|
you call having relevant facts pointed out to you in a
polite and reasoned manner an attack? You respond by calling
people rabid dogs and call that defending yourself? You have
your statements clearly refuted and suddenly you start saying
that you were not trying to get at anyone, but supporting
India... oh and the comment about Deb being the only
consistent one on the message board... please show me where it
says that???? Your first two posts of more than "I agree" or
"blink and you miss it" referred to rats jumping a sinking
ship which, in context, would seem to refer to those
moderators who have relinquished the role. Please tell me how
THAT is in any way supporting the right of anyone to post
whatever the wish on a message board?
|
| 247. |
|
running with the hounds is
fine..... |
|
but the actual saying is " Running with the hare and
hunting with the hounds" which means you want to have the best
of both side....tsk tsk tsk. Perhaps that's why for one so
staunchly defending India ....where were you when her threads
were getting deleted two nights ago, not posting to them as
were the rest of us that is for sure, all 5 of them must have
been in that .1% of threads you dont see. Keep up the
meds...I'm sure you will start making sense again
soon.
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| 248. |
|
India1nz, you have *guts* that I
don't have |
|
I hadn't been posting on the boards long when the new
rules came in as as I have beena moderator at some US based
chat sites I expected too much. I expected the mods to be able
to answer my questions - something TM didnt give them the
abilty to do. I got quite annoyed with the mods even but I am
not a rude person so I don't think I ever swore at them. Still
some became very defensive and very anti me. I got accused of
multiple logins, of using a friends login to abuse one of the
mods. I don't have any friends who use TM except my kids and
some new friends who I traded with and I certainly would not
hide behind someone elses login anyway. Every attempt i made
to sort things got it all worse and my attempt to chane my
login from bradsmom to hodiah, to start over and also for
reasons
|
| 249. |
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cont.. |
|
of not wanting to be known as, someones mom, got me
accused even more. I was crying and upset at being commented
to on every attempt I made to even say hello to ladies i met
at the kids playground. Eventually TM changed my login for me
and I retained my feedbacks, not that I cared. I had put one
mod on my bad trust list as a test and then could't get in to
remove them and that started me getting more comments against
me. I have just given up now but I still read these boards
most days. I liked stanley and deb but deb, you did get onto
me one day very defensively. I felt that no one believed me
and even one of the outspoken anti-mods traders came back
asking me to explain and didnt believe me. Who knows if this
post will magically disappear even. I haven't the stickabilty
that some of you have and I admire you a lot. I have some bad
health and that's enough reason not to let myself get too
upset about a message board.
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| 250. |
|
LOL at post 214 |
|
India1nz you jewish? Well you certainly have the chutzpah.
oops bad topic, guess it will be deleted..and yes, I am
stirring but it is totally in fun.
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| 251. |
|
Pow |
|
it seems from posts you have made since I left last night,
you are indeed twisting some posts or perhaps it is just that
you are not comprehending what was posted.MY posts are all as
a response to remarks you have made. If you didn't want a
comment made why add these remarks and then say you are being
attacked. I am not attacking you .Just because I may or may
not agree with posts on a MB. I also don't see the need to
resort to name calling and the language you have used in some
cases.This also applies to some other posters on this thread
and not just yourself.Your point would be better received
without it.
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| 252. |
|
seems I missed alot last night!
- |
|
that's what happens when you go to bed!! lol.
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| 253. |
|
Ive just |
|
one question, debdent why is it that everytime someone
disagrees with you you asume they are on medication? Im on
antidepressants right now and with bloody good reason, and I
am sick and tired of you assuming anyone who takes medication
has a mental problem. maybe you should try it it might mellow
you abit instead of attacking everyone who states an apinion
you dont agree with. I have been at the end of your firing
line on many accassions and like marilyn and ho.... (sorry
cant remember your name) I dont give a toss. Have a good day
people and instead of attacking people continuously just
remember your life could change in a blink of an eye, and its
not worth the shit that gets posted on this MB half the time,
to get upset about it.
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| 254. |
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oh dear me |
|
I think the whole thing has just got personal.Im sure if
we were all in the same room we would get along fine.Ive voted
to have the thread removed.Neg vibes and all that.
|
| 255. |
|
With due respect for
Helen, |
|
down with the mod idea. Mature persons like herself &
stanley1 endeavoured to assist in fixing a problem with [I
imagine] no thoughts of becoming power-wielders. Don't know
enough about some of the others to guess at their motivation.
MM made a good point about TM using the unpaid mods & yet
still raking in the profits. A complete revision of the rules
& a page or two out of EBay's book might move TM onto a
clearer path to more success. Have refrained from adding to
this thread because some mod might delete it. Have only done
so now because it's getting too long &
recriminatory.
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| 256. |
|
Well MM... |
|
I seem to recall you getting rather personal with your
attacks, as per usual, on post #243 etc. If you go to
www.dictionary.com and do a search on hypocrite you will find
the definition. "a person who professes beliefs and opinions
that they do not hold", if the cap fits etc...
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graemen |
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go back to england you winging pom.Rack off somewhere
else.You get up my nose you twit.
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time for an
interlude |
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coffee.Yum That felt good.Graemen you are nothing but a
bloody stirrer.
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Oh nooooo MM |
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I'm kinda feeling that was bait MM and you took it full
line and sinker hon. Enjoy your coffee, I'm off for one too.
Have a great day. :-)
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hodiah2 |
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you have *guts* yourself! After all the crap you were fed
on the MB when you changed your name for (what I thought were)
valid reasons. It is a shame you don't post as much as you
used to as bradsmum, but I am sure, you will eventually get
back into it again and to hell with what other people think!
That's the trouble here, too many bloody holy than thou
attitudes! We all have our faults it's just a shame that there
are so many here that are quick to point them out - does it
make them feel better about themselves? Yes, I think it does.
And everybody has the right to defend themselves, but mostly
it can be a waste of time because those that really go all out
and attack are like a dog with a bone - ruthless when
challenged!
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MM |
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get back to cloud cuckoo land you ignoramus, you really
are one of the most stupid people I've ever had the misfortune
to meet, thankfully not IRL. You whinge about personal attacks
and yet you start them, you post with swearing so the thread
is removed and you think you can get away with it. No wonder
you don't like the Mods, it slows your stupid, childish games
down. Well I have some news for you Fiona, I'm here to stay so
you can shove that up your arse you vacuous, dim witted piece
of distended excreta.
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yeah and you know |
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im person Im so damn nice and chearful to people .Quite
nice to let off a bit of steam on here.lol.Im a sweety
really.:)
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hey Graemen |
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luv you too sweet pea....
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graeme |
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did you come on here with the sole purpose of getting this
thread removed?
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and |
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if im PMT ish too bloody bad.My priveledge.
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oooh Fiona |
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You're so right; I feel so much better for that
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Now now kiddies |
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keep the sandpit clean!
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Ding Ding |
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Round #2
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I know you are MM |
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as for the above response well said sweet pea. These
personal attacks are ridiculous and nasty, enough already!
Happy trading and great day to all! :-)
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india what do you want me to
say? |
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No, but I thought you believed in free speech?
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India ... |
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Can you answer me one question.Why point the finger of
blame towards one trader when it is quite clear that MM is yet
again up to her usual tricks, albeit without any type of brain
activity occurring before she types them.
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of course free
speech! |
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but it looked to me like you jumped in here (after not
posting at all throughout the thread) to stir up some
people...thats all...I'm not trying to oppress you, just
wondering where you are coming from...have just come on though
so will scroll up and catch up.
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who said I am blaming
anyone? |
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I just wondered where all this was coming from - obviously
history that I know nothing about - so will shut my mouth and
keep out of what I don't know!
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because I haven't
posted.... |
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does that mean I haven't read? Unlike some people who jump
in with frivolous comments and insults - I've actually
followed the thread from the beginning. I just can't stand
hypocrisy. MM as per usual started the childish attacks, then
cries out about it as if she hadn't....
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so apart from issues you have with
mm |
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what thoughts did you have on the thread graemen?
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This thread |
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is getting way too personal, MODS will close it soon I
bet.LOL
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apart from the fact that it is
getting too damn |
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long for my slow computer to refresh!! lol
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actually |
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graemen and vfr are two of the same.If not it sure seems
like they come out of the same box.me things they have
personal issues with me they don't want to adress.I have don't
nothing rong.But there are people out there thriving on
putting others down.You fools do NOT know me from a bar or
soap.Go pick on someone your own size.
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well...... |
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Mods are required in any community such as this. Free
speech? Yes if this place was public domain, unfortunately it
isn't, it is in effect a dictatorship - which is only correct
as trademe are running a business. I do object, however, to
the recent Mods who have taken it upon themselves to no longer
be even handed and moderate - that is after all their purpose.
Mods should be anonymous, but they should also be accountable.
As per other traders, I have always had the greatest respect
for Stanley1 and I admire him even more for taking the task on
to begin with; that respect grew bigger when he
resigned.
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MM... |
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but all I was doing was blowing off steam, and you're
right - it is so refreshing =)
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lol |
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I give up!!
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see graemen |
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admitted it too.He's PMT ish.Its all true what they say
about men/..
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aye PMT |
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Post Marilyn Trauma
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6 posts have
disappeared |
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from this thread...interesting...wonder where they went
and why?
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