Interior: Subject: [gto2] [gto] Re: 64 Trim Tag Codes (Body Mod's) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 14:59:25 -0400 From: "A/FX" All the package trays were the same regardless. The body mods that were done to install the
defroster included the holes for the switch and the wiring. Andy '65 coupe, 389, 3-2s, 4-spd << ...I seem to remember that all Rear Deck Panels (package tray) had the provision for the
Rear Defogger Option regardless of whether it was ordered; may be wrong on this. I'll check my
dad's '64. Certainly the Package Tray itself (cardboard) was different (or altered), but I
think the sheet metal had the hole in it. John >> Subject: [gto2] Plastic Rechroming Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:31:19 +0000 From: Donald McKay I've had several requests for the number for the fellow I know that does Plastic Rechroming
and it has taken me a bit of time to find his card, but I now have it and phoned him to get his
e-mail address so, here it is for anyone that is interested. Chuck: CV Enterprises 8021 Wade Terrace Mission, BC Canada V2V 4H9 Phone: (604) 820 9571 e-mail:cvplastc@rapidnet.net Note: No 1 in Plastic. He also does grilles, dome lights, armrest bases, grille surrounds.
Sorry about the delay, but at least I found it. Subject: [GTO]67 GTO Tissue Dispenser Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:26:05 -0700 From: Donald Mckay A friend of mine with a 67 GTO has had me looking for a Tissue Dispenser for his car. While I
finally located one for him and now he asks me where it mounts. Can someone tell me where this
option mounts? I think it should be under the glove compartment on the passenger side. Thanks
in advance. I know 74's but not 67's at least not as well. Subject: Re: [GTO] 67 GTO tissue dispenser Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:11:57 EDT From: ARayman Okay.. I'll speak up... Since these were a dealer only option, the dealer would install
wherever convenient with relationship to other options. Typically under the dash centered up with the console. If you had a 8 track, I imagine it moved
toward the passenger side. I believe some of the later years mounted on the trans hump. Subject: [GTO] Dumb question Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:02:18 -0700 From: Bob Gagliano I warned you I would have a zillion questions..:) Here is another....On the new 68, the dash
pad is cracked. I am looking to find either a "mint" black a/c one or one to use as a core to
have Just Dashes re cover it so I don't have the dashboard ripped apart for weeks. My "dumb"
question is, do I have to have a GTO dash, or are the LeMans/Tempest a direct replacement? Oh,
and what might a reasonable price for one of these items be? thanks a bunch bob Subject: [GTO] A-Pillar Colors Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:33:52 -0400 From: "Jim Smithbauer" I'm trying to determine the correct color for the interior A-pillar covers on a parchment
interior for my 68 ragtop. Mine are a soft material cast in black, but I've seen photos showing
them in both black and white. The restoration guide didn't address the colors. Which is correct?
Also, if they should be white, does the header panel above the visors, and the visors
themselves, also go white? These are black on mine as well. Jim S 68 GTO HO Convt Subject: RE: [GTO] A-Pillar Colors Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:31:06 -0400 From: CharlesB I'm probably gonna be no help here, but I can reference this to 2 different HT cars: My 1st '69 HT had all black int. & the pieces you're mentioning (the vertical pieces between
the windshield & sideglass which go from the corner where the roof is & down towards the corner
of the dashpad, right?) were metal which were painted black. The '69 HT I have now has the
parchment interior (which I really like) & those 2 pieces are a parchment covered material
(along with a parchment headliner, doorpanels, seats, & sunvisors but black dashpad & carpet). Maybe the black thing with your header panel & visors with parchment interior is a ragtop-only
thing. That would just be my guess, but I haven't heard of that yet. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful with this. CB Subject: [GTO] Will this fit? Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:30:57 -0700 From: Bob Gagliano Does anyone know if a steering column from a 70 Monte Carlo interchange with a 68 GTO? I've
read on another list that Monte’s were essentially A-bodies mechanically and there is a tilt
one for sale in our local cheapo paper... If it'd fit, maybe I'll give them a call. thanks bob Subject: Re: [GTO] Will this fit? Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:56:00 -0500 From: Terry Nixon It "should" fit. The Monte’s and G-Ps were longer from the front wheels forward, so the column
length should be the same. The steering coupler is the same, but you better look at how it
mounts under the dash. I assume it's not a column shift, or that's something else to look at.
One other thing: where is the ignition key on a '68, in the column or on the dash? And
"probably" the wiring connector is the same if the keys are the same, but maybe not. Terry Subject: Re: [GTO] Will this fit? Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:18:07 EDT From: ARayman It will fit, but will not work. 68 column does not have the key in the column. 69-72 does. Subject: Re: [GTO] Will this fit? Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:30:28 EDT From: ARayman On the whole tilt column deal... 67 tilt will fit 68 GTO, and vice versa. 67-8 full-size will work in GTO also, but need the shaft lengthened Subject: [GTO] door chrome clips Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:09:21 EDT From: RMH16 Help, I have a 67' GTO and I am getting ready to re-install the door chrome, but just found out,
I can't get the clips that hold the moulding. Does anyone have any I ideas where I can locate
these clips?? I would appreciate a name and number if at all possible. Thanks for your help.
This list is great for issues like this. Rob 67' GTO Subject: Re: [[GTO] door chrome clips] Date: 20 May 00 01:10:03 PDT From: Scott Holten Rob, If these clips are no longer reproduced, Bethel's Goat Farm in San Jose, California would be a
place that would likely have some good used ones. http://hometown.aol.com/gtofarm Scott Subject: Re: [GTO] door chrome clips Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:14:35 -0500 (CDT) From: alan fanning I got some nice California clips from Bethel's Goat Farm. ALF Subject: Re: [GTO] door chrome clips Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:44:18 EDT From: Ratripower << I would appreciate a name and number if at all possible. Thanks for your help. This list is
great for issues like this. >> Andre on the list has them. I don't have his email address. Tim P. Subject: [GTO] Interior Care Question Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Smit Last night I looked at a 67 that had been sitting for the last three years. The guy stored it
in an enclosed garage in a low lying area. He left the windows on both sides open by about 9"-
10". Moisture has found its way into the interior and everything that is leather is covered in
a thin layer of mold. It’s like a petri dish inside, small spots of mold, big spots of mold.
The quality of the interior under the mold is perfect, but how do I clean the mold without
damaging anything and should I be concerned about getting rid of that damp, musty smell. Thought I was back in Biology class, BDS Subject: RE: [GTO] Interior Care Question Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:30:47 -0400 From: CharlesB Whatever you use, DON'T use Armorall. CB Subject: Re: [GTO] Interior Care Question Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:46:59 EDT From: ARayman First thing you have to do is get the car into dry storage, and run a dehumidifier inside the
car at night, and leave in the hot sun during the day with the windows down. Also, load the car
up with as many descant sacks as you can to pull the moisture out of the interior. After all the moisture has been pulled out, the mold will stop growing, and can be removed by a
stiff brush and a detergent mix. Don't use bleach, as it will eat the seatskins seams up. Subject: Re: [GTO] Interior Care Question Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:07:24 EDT From: RoyalGTO67 "Spray-9" should clean it up without doing any harm. Subject: [GTO] Interior care Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:30:15 -0400 From: "P. Cunningham" I'm sure this topic has probably been whipped to death on the board before. I apologize in
advance if that is the case. I would like to hear your thoughts on what are the best products for cleaning and maintaining
the interior on my 65 GTO with a Medium Blue interior? All the vinyl is original and in very
good condition with no splits or seam separations. I understand some products like Armorall
actually cause damage. Obviously, I want to avoid making that type of mistake. Thanks. Phil C. Subject: Re: [GTO] Interior care Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:39:00 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << I would like to hear your thoughts on what are the best products for cleaning and
maintaining the interior on my 65 GTO with a Medium Blue interior? All the vinyl is original
and in very good condition with no splits or seam separations. I understand some products like
Armorall actually cause damage. Obviously I want to avoid making that type of mistake. Thanks. Phil C. >> Phil, I was told a long time ago that Armor-All has kerosene which dries out the vinyl. That
same person told me that Son-of-a-Gun does not and is good. He was an interior guy. So I’ve
used Son-of-a-Gun ever since and have not had any troubles. Goatman Subject: RE: [GTO] Interior care Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:50:17 -0400 From: CharlesB I always thought I was doing a good thing by spraying Armor-All all over my dash pad & just
leaving it there to just soak in w/o wiping it off. After a year of doing that a friend told me
how it dries out & separates the properties of the vinyl. I haven't used it for a couple of
years now, but my pad now seems very hard to the touch & I'm afraid as hell to even press my
finger on it just slightly for fear of instant cracking. CB Subject: RE: [GTO] Interior care Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 11:57:15 CST From: "The Harper Valley P.T.A." << my pad now seems very hard to the touch & I'm afraid as hell to even press my finger on it
just slightly for fear of instant cracking. >> Try some Pledge furniture polish - I use it on my T/A and it seems to do a nice job. And that
lemony smell can't be beat! ;^) Brad Subject: [GTO] Tilt Column Question Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 14:33:29 -0700 From: "Gary L. Travis" Hi All, Have a friend of mine who has a Tilt column from a 65-6 Catalina who needs to know if it will
work in a 64 GTO or if it can be modified to work? Gary T. 64 GTO Htp. 75 455 Grand Am Subject: Re: [GTO] Tilt Column Question Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:32:47 EDT From: ARayman It will work, but you need to lengthen the shaft by welding on the extra length. Turn signal
lever screws in, as opposed to being held in by a screw, but once installed, there is no
apparent difference. I believe that the adapter harness will also work. Subject: [GTO] carpet installation Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:43:18 -0400 From: gtoman Any tips on carpet installation? Getting ready to do my 70. The new ACC carpet seems to have
considerably less jute than was on the original carpet. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Mike Subject: Re: [GTO] carpet installation Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:11:24 -0700 From: "Gary L. Travis" Mike, I always use this heat reflective stuff, which is available at local speed shops, under the
jute. It adds some padding and makes the car cooler in summer and warmer in winter. Can't think
of the name of it, right off, but can find out for you. Gary T. 64 GTO Htp. 75 455 Grand Am Subject: Re: [GTO] carpet installation Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 00:11:46 EDT From: LemansSport469 We removed all the old insulation, looked like old roofing felts, very heavy and bulky. We
replaced it with a foil like backing/insulation that we were told had a much higher insulation
value than the old stuff. We are doing this because we are racing it and wanted to reduce
weight, yet keep it cool in the car. What I cannot attest to right now is how well it quiets
the road noise... In the "For what its worth" column... Bruce Subject: Re: [GTO] carpet installation Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 07:08:57 EDT From: ARayman Apart from the standard rules... of patience and perseverance Let carpet sit in the sun for a while. Screw front seatbelt bolts and seat bolts, as well as console bolts in place first before
installation. It's easier to find the holes afterward if the bolt is there to mark the spot
under the carpet. All you have to do later is cut a "X". Seat bolts have a special "L" shaped
cut. Let carpet sit in car for a couple of hours before any trimming or cutting is done. Finally, the "L" shaped cut into the carpet should be cut to form a flap around each seat
bracket, so that it actually flops back over the nut or bolt. The seat should be bolted directly to the floor, and should not sandwich the carpet. 9/10 cars
you will see at shows will not have this done correctly. I believe there was an article in the Legend about this about 5-8 years ago explaining the
procedure. Subject: Re: [GTO] carpet installation Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:07:24 EDT From: GTOPAUL << Subj: [GTO] carpet installation Date: 07/01/2000 10:46:44 PM Central Daylight Time From: gtoman Any tips on carpet installation? Getting ready to do my 70. The new ACC carpet seems to have
considerably less jute than was on the original carpet. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Mike >> I think you're correct. The last time I bought carpet from ACC in went down nice but faded fast.
In less than a year it had turned to a charcoal color instead of black. Paul Subject: [GTO] Re: 69' GTO vanity mirror Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:11:15 -0400 From: Dave Funderburg Group, I need an original vanity mirror that snaps onto the top side of the visor. Does anyone have
any idea where I might find one? Thanks, Dave Funderburg Subject: Re: [GTO] Re: 69' GTO vanity mirror Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:17:30 -0400 From: rjjsmith Saw them, as I recall, in the Ames catalogue. Bob Smith 65 Convertible Subject: Re: [GTO] Re: 69' GTO vanity mirror Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:22:53 -0400 From: Dave Funderburg The vanity mirror that Ames sells is NOS that is a later model. It won't snap into the visor
because the pins on the back are too large and the mirror is set in a black frame. The original
mirror is fastened to a tin backing and has no border. I really would like to find an original. Dave Subject: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:17:16 EDT From: Fa627 Can anyone suggest an adhesive for the wood insert in the instrument panel. Contact cement
didn’t cut it and 3M's spray adhesive is not nearly strong enough. Thanks Lou 66 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:14:30 EDT From: ARayman Try 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive(yellow or black), or 3M emblem adhesive (clear). Subject: Re: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:14:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Brown Try using "GOOP". It has been very useful to me for a number of projects from repairing a
broken taillight lens to putting on gaskets. (just don't be the one that has to remove it). Don 65 GTO Subject: RE: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:06:39 -0400 From: CharlesB Hi Don, Are you talking about GOOP the hand cleaner? That's the only 'GOOP' I'm familiar with. CB -----Original Message----- From: Don Brown Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive << Try using "GOOP" It has been very useful to me for a number of projects from repairing a
broken taillight lens to putting on gaskets. ( just don't be the one that has to remove it). 65 GTO >> Subject: Re: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:08:37 -0500 From: "Dirk" No, There is a GOOP Adhesive. I got some at the local F & F speed shop (Fleet & farm) in the
shoe area. Its meant for gluing soles and such on shoe's. Works great. Dirk Subject: Re: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:03:23 EDT From: Fa627 That GOOP is the best silicon I've ever used. It REALLY works. I thought it was for marine use
- never really looked. But, by the way Dirk, I have a shoe sole that needs some good glue.
Thanks for the tip. Lou Someone from the list also suggested to me to use weather seal adhesive on the dash insert. Subject: RE: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:08:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Brown CB, GOOP is found in most hardware, automotive type stores in this area. Where do you live? If you can't find any, let me know and I'll send you a tube. I live across
the river from Detroit, MI. Don Subject: RE: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:19:57 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" Saw this GOOP for sale last evening in paint department of Home Depot. About $3.57 a tube. Comes available as 'Plumbers GOOP' and also as 'General Household Adhesive'.
They also have the other type for removing stuff. mjc Subject: RE: [GTO] Wood Dash Insert Adhesive Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:44:33 -0400 From: CharlesB Thanks. I'm gonna ask around in my course of running chores. I'll save this e & if I can't find
it then I'll take you up on it. I'm in NJ (right near the GW bridge - near the NE corner of the
state). CB Subject: [GTO] 60/40 Semi-Gloss Paint Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:34:40 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" List: I have generally used Krylon Semi-Gloss black for the interior parts of my 66 GTO. I had
heard that this is very close to the 60/40 mix from the factory. Pharmor doesn't carry it
anymore in this area. Has anyone found anything better short of buying it in quarts and owning
a spray rig? NAPA doesn't seem to have anything like it. Mike Subject: RE: [GTO] 60/40 Semi-Gloss Paint Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:01:51 -0400 From: "Ron Lawrence" Mike, I have used Krylon Semi-FLAT (PN 1613) for almost all my black too. I find it in places
like Wal-mart and K-mart. Maybe you can check those places? Ron Subject: Re: [GTO] 60/40 Semi-Gloss Paint Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:07:15 EDT From: R92Z28 Mike, I'm just about to paint my console. My "official" consultant (he owns four Goats right now,
and has done 8 or 10 others) says that Krylon Semi-Gloss black would be just right. He said you
can get it at Wal-Mart. BTW how close are you to swapping you tranny? Any idea? I'm going to check progress on my car tomorrow. We're waiting for a guy to come and pull the
windshield. Here's one of the latest pics. It's from late June. Almost done, don't ya think? Raymon Subject: RE: [GTO] 60/40 Semi-Gloss Paint Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:24:33 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" Looking real good. Let me know when you need the clips. I think I located a place which has
them. Headlight bezels are stored in game room waiting for you. Haven't even thought about the
tranny yet. Probably be October. Summer has flown past and as you know I travel quite
extensively for CBS. Have you been watching Survivor? m Subject: [GTO] Console paint help needed Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:53:33 EDT From: R92Z28 A friend of mine is painting my console for me. He is much more meticulous than I am and will
do a much better job. He asked me for a picture of a correct console to work from. I've looked
through every GTO book and magazine I have and I cannot find a good, detailed picture for him.
Can anyone out there send a pic, or a couple pics, of a 65 or 66 4-speed console off the list?
TIA Raymon Subject: RE: [GTO] Console paint help needed Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: PteeCruiser Mike, why do yo need a picture of a console before you have it painted? Mine is black paint & chrome, is there any other kind...... Dennis Subject: Re: RE: [GTO] Console paint help needed Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:00:07 -0500 From: Bill Horwath That's about it. It’s top is a chromed casting, with the ribs painted a low gloss black. The
lower portion is plastic, and is usually painted a color that matches the painted portions of
the backs of the bucket seats. Or is the same as the plastic portion of the dash? Perhaps
someone could verify this. For the chrome casting, one paint method paints the top portion, then has you use a razorblade
to remove the paint from the top of the ridges. bill Subject: [GTO] Plastic Rechroming Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:20:17 EDT From: Green68gto It's time to send the dash out to get rechromed. The only place I know of off hand is Mr. G's
in Texas. I'm in Northern California, and was hoping to find a place that's closer to me. Does
anyone know of another rechroming company that does good work? Thanks, Ken '68 GTO Subject: [GTO] plastic chrome polish Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Hill Anyone have any suggestions about a polish to use on plastic chrome? I've used Wenol on the
metal for quite awhile now, but I'm worried about using it on the plastic. ===== Brad '68 Ram Air GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] plastic chrome polish Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:18:03 EDT From: ARayman Wenol works as good on plastic as it does on metal. Subject: Re: [GTO] plastic chrome polish Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:48:49 EDT From: THEMUZZ << Anyone have any suggestions about a polish to use on plastic chrome? I've used Wenol on the
metal for quite awhile now, but I'm worried about using it on the plastic. >> I used it on the knobs and the bezels, but don't use it on the dash only wipes it off... Well,
in my case it did... Damian Muzzi Wilmington, DE 1968 Pontiac GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] plastic chrome Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:21:36 EDT From: Fa627 Brad, I would be real careful on what you are trying to do. I used to have a '73 Cat (which I loved,
http://members.aol.com/fa627/GTO/catalina.jpg ) and I tried cleaning up an area of the dash
insert. Man, that chrome on the plastic was gone before I knew it. Needless to say, I was PO'd. Lou 66 GTO Subject: [GTO] vinyl die Date: 9 Aug 00 12:41:59 PDT From: Scott Holten Does anyone know how to contact PUI. I believe they made the seat kit for my '67 GTO that I
bought through Year One. I have gold interior and there is a “blemish" that I want to try and
cover with the correct color die. Thanks... as always, Scott Subject: Re: [GTO] vinyl die Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:43:43 EDT From: Bobgoat67 This is a 10 year old PUI phone number. The area code may have changed. They are in Louisville, Kentucky 502-425-3766. Good luck, Bob Subject: Re: [GTO] vinyl die Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:20:54 EDT From: Fa627 Scott, 1-800-342-0610 "for a dealer nearest you" Lou 66 GTO Subject: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 07:20:18 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" I am preparing to repaint the black inset on my 66 GTO Console. All parts have been rechromed
and I have removed any wax and residue with a wax remover solvent. All parts that are to remain
chrome with the exception of the ribs has been masked off. Should I first use primer or just
paint with 60/40 black. I intend to use a razor edge to remove paint from ribs. Any comments or
suggestions to those who have gone before me. Mike Subject: Re: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:02:37 EDT From: Jwroblesk << I am preparing to repaint the black inset on my 66 GTO Console. All parts have been
rechromed and I have removed any wax and residue with a wax remover solvent. All parts that are
to remain chrome with the exception of the ribs has been masked off. Should I first use primer
or just paint with 60/40 black. I intend to use a razor edge to remove paint from ribs. Any
comments or suggestions to those who have gone before me. >> I've been doing my frame off for a year and a half now and I started painting a some parts
without priming. As they sat around the garage they would get scratched easily whenever I moved
them around. Started priming after that and the parts seem to hold paint better. Even just a
dusting of primer would help. Joe Subject: Re: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:15:30 EDT From: R92Z28 Mike, I painted mine about two weeks ago. I didn't prime, but then I can't say if it will last
after only two weeks. I wrapped it in cloth and stored in the rafters of my garage. (I won't be
needing it for a while). I used my thumbnail and a cut up credit card to remove the excess
paint from the ribs. Sometimes the thumbnail worked better. Good luck. Raymon Subject: Re: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:14:03 EDT From: Fa627 << I am preparing to repaint the black inset on my 66 GTO Console. All parts have been
rechromed and I have removed any wax and residue with a wax remover solvent. All parts that are
to remain chrome with the exception of the ribs has been masked off. Should I first use primer
or just paint with 60/40 black. I intend to use a razor edge to remove paint from ribs. Any
comments or suggestions to those who have gone before me. Mike >> Mike, I've restored mine but I was determined to have a near-mint console when I was finished. It was
a very long experience but it looks good and I'm happy with it. After rechroming, I had to spray heavy primer a number of times, with sanding between each coat,
to fill pits. As I recall, I think the best thing I found was to tape over the ribs with
pinstriping tape. The razor blade wanted to scratch the new plating too easily and I wasn't
about to even get near that possibility. If you're not going to primer and sand, remember how thin the paint will get when it dries,
showing every little imperfection. The easiest way I found to sand was folding the sandpaper, just wide enough for the ribs. || || / \ If you can make out this cross section of sandpaper, I kind of pinched a folded piece of paper
and was really only trying to sand with the flat bottom. It actually works better than it
sounds. Also, watch how thick the paint builds on your taped-off edges, because it'll probably want to
lift the paint when you go to take the tape off. The paint gets strong compared to the tape.
You may even want to help it at the corners with an Exacto blade. One thing that also happened with primering is that if you look really close, you can see a
thin red between the top chrome rib and the black rib valley. I tried to cover it with shoe
polish, but it didn't really do it. Maybe I should try a grease pencil next. I put a lot of time into that thing and I thought I would share my many setbacks with you.
(hehe) It almost seemed like a project like the drilling of that British subway. Good Luck! Lou 66HT Subject: Re: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 23:35:26 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << I am preparing to repaint the black inset on my 66 GTO Console. All parts have been
rechromed and I have removed any wax and residue with a wax remover solvent. All parts that are
to remain chrome with the exception of the ribs has been masked off. Should I first use primer
or just paint with 60/40 black. I intend to use a razor edge to remove paint from ribs. Any
comments or suggestions to those who have gone before me. Mike >> Mike, my experience has been that paint [especially black] does not stick to chrome fer s**t!
I would prime it first. Goatman Subject: RE: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:28:35 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" As I just told Goatman. This thing has turned into a real PIA. Also, heard you can wipe off top
of ribs before paint dries with clean rag and solvent. Thanks for the response. mjc Subject: RE: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:34:07 -0500 (CDT) From: alan fanning << As I just told Goatman. This thing has turned into a real PIA. Also, heard you can wipe off
top of ribs before paint dries with clean rag and solvent. >> Be sure to just have the rag barely damp with solvent and make sure you have it in a tight ball
so the little wrinkles don't go down into the grooves. ALF Subject: Re: [GTO] To Prime or Not To Prime - That Is the Question[thinners] Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:56:32 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC <<< As I just told Goatman. This thing has turned into a real PIA. Also heard you can wipe off
top of ribs before paint dries with clean rag and solvent. >>> << Be sure to just have the rag barely damp with solvent and make sure you have it in a tight
ball so the little wrinkles don't go down into the grooves. ALF >> Make sure you use Lacquer thinner and not paint thinner. Lacquer thinner evaporates immediately
where paint thinner does not. Lacquer thinner also cleans paint much easier than paint thinner. Goatman Subject: [GTO] 70 judge interior question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:48:06 GMT From: "Pete Judge" Hello everyone, I have finally sold enough spare parts to get my interior. Who is the best, to order from?
I have had dealings with Year One and it hasn’t been too bad. Pete 70 Orbit Judge Subject: Re: [GTO] 70 judge interior question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Hill << I have finally sold enough spare parts to get my interior. Who is the best, to order from? I
have had dealings with Year One and it hasn’t been too bad. Pete 70 Orbit Judge >> I'd go with either Ames or PY. Year One tends to be over priced. ===== Brad '68 Ram Air GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] 70 judge interior question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:49:17 -0400 From: "Gary Rickenbaugh" I think REM in PA. supplies them to all 3 companies. Gary Subject: [GTO] wood or vinyl dash inserts? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:21:20 EDT From: Green68gto Has anyone on the list with a '68 or later ventured into replacing the simulated wood on their
dash with real wood? There is a place in Pennsylvania called the Wood Dashery that can make
both the dash inserts and the Dual Gate inserts I need. The price is reasonable being that they will be made by hand, but about 3 times more than the
vinyl inserts found in Ames or PY. Judging by the samples I've seen, the wood material is
identical in appearance to the original vinyl material. My main concern is durability. About 6
years ago I installed an insert from Year One. It's peeling and some of the wood has worn off
on the glovebox from opening and closing it. Since I'm getting my dash rechromed now, I want to
do it right and I want it to last. Any thoughts? Is there a better supplier for dash inserts real wood or simulated? Thanks, Ken '68 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] wood or vinyl dash inserts? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:27:26 EDT From: ARayman I don't know about the 68's, but I can vouch for the 66 wood inserts. I had one of the first
repros, and it was junk. It was paper like, and could not be secured properly. About 5 years ago, I had the dash out on my 66, and purchased a prestained one from Performance
Years. I attached it to the dash using 3M weatherstrip cement. I wouldn't use that GOOP stuff.
It never worked on my old Converse sneakers, and I wasn't going to try it on the dash. This one was much thicker and sturdier. It did not need the metal backing. The fit was good, but not perfect. It had a little difference near the turn signal indicator. Anyways, my 66 has sat outside all this time in the 100% Florida Humidity, in a car that leaks
at the windshield, and the dash still looks the same as it did when I put it in. Mind you this is a car that is worth about $6000. If it was a better car, I'd probably have
gone with the Wood Dashery piece. I understand that they fit better, and are attached to a
metal backing like the original. Subject: RE: [GTO] wood or vinyl dash inserts? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:01:55 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" No. The Wood Dashery is the best hands down. His inserts have a metal backing just like the
original. Well worth the price. Have seen one in a 66. Next time I get my 66 done he is doing
it even if I have to drive the car to him. As to whether to use wood or plastic. It is up to
you if you want to stick to originality or not. In a show you would lose points for the wood in
place of plastic. Subject: Re: [GTO] wood or vinyl dash inserts? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:57:33 -0700 From: "Micheal Twitchell" Do you know if The Wood Dashery is on the web, or do you have a number where they can be
reached. I have a 65 GTO and removed the dash last night with thoughts of buying one of the
wood grain inserts from PY or Ames. After this thread I'm very interested to talk to these
folks. Mike Subject: Re: [GTO] wood or vinyl dash inserts? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:15:47 EDT From: Green68gto My car will never be in that kind of show, it's a full on driver. He mentioned that he wouldn't
be able to do an aluminum backing for my '68 since it is curved, but I think that the wood will
still have more guts to it than a repro vinyl job from Year One or PY. I really don't want this
thing to shrink up and peel off in a few years. In addition, I'm hoping that a real wood dash will give my interior a little more class. I
would like people to notice that something is different, but not be able to figure out what it
is right off the bat. Between Year One, PY, and Ames is there any noticeable difference between the vinyl inserts?
The thicker and stickier the better. The one I got from Year One a few years back was similar
to contact paper. Ken Subject: Re: [GTO] wood or vinyl dash inserts? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:21:02 EDT From: Green68gto You can reach the Wood Dashery at 570-823-8983, the owner's name is Dan Pisarcik. Their web
page is http://members.home.net/donp2/ , although it's not very informative and probably best
to call him. Ken Subject: [GTO] Re: steering column question Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 15:37:59 -0400 Given that 68 is a one year design column, A column shift may be unusual, but I'm headed to the
floor... a quick fix might be to disassemble my column, swap another "collar" from one with a
floor shift to eliminate the column shift lever. Is it possible to disassemble, or is it welded
together, etc. etc. Usually anything that sounds simple isn't. Anyone ever taken one apart? Got a 68 column to part with? Thanks Jim E. Subject: Re: [GTO] Re: steering column question Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 07:37:59 -0500 Had a friend that did the same, disassembled it, took off the collar, used JB Weld on the hole,
sanded it smooth and repainted it. Dirk Subject: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:56:42 -0500 Hi all, I have a 69 GTO I'm trying to get the rear seat out of but, it’s been a few years since the
last time I've done this and have forgotten how. Any and all instructions are appreciated. Thanks, Chuck Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:18:49 EDT Remove the bottoms first by unclipping the wire frame from the body (between the body and seat).
That will allow access to the seat back retaining bolts. Then just lift strait up! That's it! Damian Muzzi Wilmington, DE 1968 Pontiac GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:42:51 EDT Take off the rear armrests. Then push down, back and up on the front edge of the seat. It
should come out then. You can then take out the 2 bolts on the bottom of the back and lift up
and remove it also. -corpkilr- Subject: RE: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:44:46 -0500 First get a 12-pack. Then get in facing backward. Push like hell rear-ward on the seat bottom. It'll release back and up. When the seat bottom is out, you'll see attach points for the seat
back. This takes more beer (and a ratchet). Remove seat-back attaching screws. Done. Celebrate by consuming beer. (preferably Berghoff.) Bill (from Monroe) '69 Judge '71 GT-37 Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:45:28 -0700 (MST) On the '65's and '66's, you have to remove the bottom part first and then it's obvious how to
take out the top part. It's probably the same for the newer GTO's as well. The bottom is
removed by pushing in on the bottom of the cushion until it comes out from the hooks in the
floor and then lifting up. After that, just pull it forward. Then, there will either be spring
hooks or sheet metal screws holding the bottom of the top seat cushion. When you undo those, just lift the seatback off the hooks at the top and it's out. Jim Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:21:42 EDT >> Take off the rear armrests. Then push down, back and up on the front edge of the seat. It
should come out then. You can then take out the 2 bolts on the bottom of the back and lift up
and remove it also. -corpkilr- >> Hey Neil, I don't think 69 GTO's have removable arm rests [in order to get the seat out that
is]. Am I wrong here guys? Goatman Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 07:36:29 EDT Everyone has described the rear seat removal process fairly accurately, but they have neglected
to tell you some important information. While it is true that you have to push down, and back to get the seat to release from the hook
on the floor, it is easier said than done. If the seat has been in and out several times it will usually unclip easily, or if the springs
are worn, when you push down, you will actually move the bottom frame of the seat. Unfortunately
if the springs are in good condition, all the pushing in the world will only compress the
springs, and not put enough pressure on the frame to release it, so you have to push on the
front lower edge of the seat. Again, not an easy task, because you have to be able to square up
to the seat to get good leverage on it. A seat that has not been out of a car for 30 years is a tough item. I know, as I have had to
pull countless ones in the junkyard trying to get decent seatbelts. In any event, my favorite tool of choice has been 2 tire irons. I use the first to pry up the
seat about 2 inches, and I sneak the second under the seat to release the seat frame from the
hook. This can be done without damaging the seat skin, or bending the seat frame. It is however,
the last choice, and not the first. Subject: RE: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:43:51 -0400 I still liked the six pack idea!!! Mike Collingwood Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear seat removal Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:51:56 EDT Bill, you have class and style Sir. Sounds like you're missing the music part though. Any
suggestions? John 71 GTO Conv 98 GTP Subject: RE: [GTO] Rear seat removal - armrests Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:49:29 -0400 I believe they're screwed on with 2 screws on each one. CB Subject: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Barlow" Can anyone help me with the procedure of taking out the main dash on my 65. I have the front
piece that holds the instrument panel already off. I hate to go unbolting without knowing what
I am doing. Maybe a schematic or detailed instructions would help. I need to dissassemble it so
I can put a new coat of paint on it, and would like to make it as easy as possible. Standard
gauges if that makes any difference now. thanks ===== J. Barlow Subject: Re: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:03:38 EDT From: Fa627 J, If they're like a 66, which is what mine is, the dash doesn't come out. I had to paint it in
the car. And believe me, I looked everywhere for bolts. After seeing it wasn't going to come out, I probably spent about 3 hrs. taping off and putting
covers over the car because, of course, I decided to do this long after my car had been painted.
I'm lucky to say that no overspray got anywhere. So just have a lot of patience to tape off completely, and you'll get it. One thing, I also remember, is that I had to paint the steering column also. That was fine except for trying to get the instrument panel in w/o scuffing the new paint.
That's the impossible part. After it was all done, it made the whole interior look 10 times better. Good luck Lou 66 HT Subject: RE: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:52:46 -0500 From: "iceman" If you are referring to the plastic dash housing for a 66/67, they come out fairly easy. The
dash pad has to be removed first, then there are few more bolts on the top inside and along the
bottom of the housing, Of course you will have to disconnect the wires and cables from the
inside of the dash, and the radio and heater controls too. It's a fair amount of work, but the
dash is removable with all instruments intact. From the GTO restoration manual, it would appear that the 65 dash housing removes in a similar
fashion. bill 66 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:32:12 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << If they're like a 66, which is what mine is, the dash doesn't come out. I had to paint it in
the car. And believe me, I looked everywhere for bolts. >> It does come out and I'm trying to remember where the bolts are. They are in the rear side of
the dash and IIRC they are way up on the outside corners of the dash. I remember they were a
b*tch to get to! Goatman Subject: Re: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: PteeCruiser This is in regards to a 66 dash coming out.... I went to get a front dash speaker installed at
a local radio shop.... They wanted a 100.00 to do it. I passed on it at the time, but will be
going back to get it done...... I didn't realize it is so much involved...... Dennis Subject: RE: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:51:04 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" Dennis: If you take the radio out on the 66, you can lay on your back and install the speaker
yourself. Piece of cake. Mike Subject: Re: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:59:17 EDT From: RoyalGTO67 I have a 67 and I don't think in comes out. It is a lot easier to paint if you remove the front
windshield. Subject: Re: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:17:47 EDT From: Goats3 When we bought our 65, someone had brush painted the dash and interior metal of the doors gloss
black. That was to cover the spray painted Chevy orange that someone else did!! We repainted it
in the original blue. The hardest part was removing the built up paint. Masking wasn't too bad.
We used a touch up paint gun. It was a full weekend to do the entire job, but was well worth it. Kenny L Subject: Re: [GTO] Dash Demolition Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 07:32:01 -0500 From: "Dirk" The plastic gauge cluster comes out as you mention, the metal part that goes all the way across
the car is welded in. You have to paint it in the car. Dirk Subject: Re: [Re: [GTO] Dash Demolition] Date: 5 Oct 00 12:55:19 PDT From: Scott Holten $100.00 for just the labor??? I sent my original speaker to Year One and paid about $40.00
-$50.00 to have it rebuilt. With the radio and ashtray removed, the speaker installation took
me about 5 minutes. By the way, keep those mounting nuts and studs!! These are the only fasteners that I've ever
seen that have both left and right hand threads. Scott Subject: [GTO] 1966 dash removal Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 21:26:01 EDT From: Cf204cf The 1966 GTO dash pad has three screws that bolt to the instrument housing located just under
the lower front of the dash area and one stud that is on the right front inside of the dash pad.
This is the hard one, need to remove the glove box and us a mirror and flash light to see it. The rest of the dash is held with 5 slip clamp type fasteners, should pull straight out toward
you once all screws are removed. Be careful, the cover is old and will crack with just the grip
of your hand. Subject: [GTO] Three Questions Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:49:08 EDT From: CLOZEM Hey gang. It's been raining here and so me and the Goat are stuck inside. I have three
questions for ya'll (thought I'd put in some Texas twang!): 2. The light behind my console won't work. It's a new wiring harness. Is this light connected
to the door switches or the console? I have not purchased a switch and light for the console
yet. Thanks for the help. Scott 67 GTO Conv. Subject: Re: [GTO] Three Questions Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 17:18:42 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << Hey gang. It's been raining here and so me and the goat are stuck inside. I have three
questions for ya'll (thought I'd put in some Texas twang!): 1. My center caps are rattling so bad, it's, well, driving me crazy. What is my mission? >> Try re-springing the springs on the back side of the caps. You may have to tighten up some
rivets [I think I remember rivets holding the assembly together] also. << 2. The light behind my console won't work. It's a new wiring harness. Is this light
connected to the door switches or the console? >> It is to be connected to the door switch. Only the light inside the console should be connected
to the console lid switch. << I have not purchased a switch and light for the console yet. 3. The right exhaust manifold is leaking. It is leaking out of the spring and pin (heat
baffle???) assembly. I was thinking about cutting out the assembly and welding the two holes
shut. I think this was used for cold weather to help the warming process of the engine. I'm in
Texas and 99.99% of the time I don't need help with warming. >> I did this before only I cut I bolt in pieces [IIRC it was a 5/16 bolt] and then drove them
into the holes with a hammer. They made perfect plugs for it. Looks neat and clean also. Thanks for the help. Scott 67 GTO Conv. Subject: [GTO] Plastic Rechroming Quality Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:13:45 EDT From: Green68gto I just got the dash back Saturday from the rechroming place for my '68 and was prepared to be
dazzled at the work they had done. This is a place that was recommended by other GTO guys and
clubs so, I was confident their work would be top notch. Not to mention their price was about
$100 more than others I quoted which, I also assume means better quality. When I unwrapped my dash and inspected it, I found a bunch of small nicks in the plastic that
had been rechromed over as well as a texture that looks like a fish eye effect you would get
when you don't prepare a surface properly before painting. Unfortunately, I didn't inspect the
dash that close when I shipped it off, so some of the nicks and marks may have been there when
I sent it off. However, the fish eyes concern me. Is this common in plastic rechroming? Should
I pack it up and send it back? It is on a fairly noticeable area. I was expecting a Concours
quality dash for what I paid and the reviews I received about this guy. I'm a little
disappointed. Those of you that have had your dashes rechromed. What kind of results have you had? Am I being
too picky? It does look nice, but was expecting perfection. Thanks, Ken '68 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Plastic Rechroming Quality Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:53:00 EDT From: JagginRoun Ken, Where did you send your dash. I'm just about ready to send mine out and want to hear stories... If you are unhappy with the result, I would send it back. Just this past Saturday I was talking
to a guy that works in a place that restores cars. He told me stories of a chrome plating shop
that they've had to send parts back to twice sometimes 3 times before they got it right. Matt Dillon 66 Convt. Subject: Re: [GTO] Plastic Rechroming Quality Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:33:10 -0700 From: Donald Mckay I am interested where you sent your dash as well, because I recommended a fellow here in BC and
if he is the one that did it I would like to know so, I can maybe speak to him myself as he has
done work for me that was very good. If he doesn't make good, then I certainly wouldn't
recommend him anymore if he screwed up someone I sent to him. Subject: Re: [GTO] Plastic Rechroming Quality Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:01:24 EDT From: Green68gto Don, I sent it to the guy you recommended me to in British Columbia. Because, I have heard such
great things about him, I wonder if it's the quality of the piece I sent in that caused the
imperfections. I haven't asked him about the fish-eyes yet (they are on radio bezel), I wanted
to get a feeler out there for those who have had rechroming done before and the quality they
received. I'm not sure if I was expecting too much and I should be happy with what I received. Most of
the piece looks great, there's just a few spots that are kind of "iffy". Ken Subject: Re: [GTO] Plastic Rechroming Quality Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:21:30 -0700 From: Donald Mckay I got my nose into this one and emailed Chuck and he has since got back to me twice and I
understand he has been in touch with you. Are you satisfied? If not he told me he would redo it.
Keep me informed as I feel like I need to help you as it was my recommendation that started
this, but as I stated before his work for me was excellent. Hope you are happy if not LET ME
KNOW. I just try to help fellow GTO enthusiasts the best I can if I can. Subject: Re: [GTO] Plastic Rechroming Quality Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:55:52 -0700 From: Donald Mckay Sorry, I thought this would go straight to Ken. Wasn't suppose to go to the List, but now you
all know who, and where this involved Subject: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:15:22 -0500 From: "iceman" Hello.... I'm currently putting my 66 GTO back together. I was planning to spray vinyl dye over my
interior before I install it. The interior is fairly good, but the color (blue) is faded
somewhat. I'm just buying time until I can save for a new interior. My question... Has anyone had any experience with DuPont vinyl dye? It sounds fairly easy to
use. Any suggestions? Thanks bill 66 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:43:14 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << Hello.... I'm currently putting my 66 GTO back together. I was planning to spray vinyl dye over my
interior before I install it. The interior is fairly good, but the color (blue) is faded
somewhat. I'm just buying time until I can save for a new interior. My question... Has anyone had any experience with DuPont vinyl dye? It sounds fairly easy to
use. Any suggestions? Thanks bill 66 GTO >> I've used some vinyl dye before. I don't remember what brand. It works OK if you clean the
seats real good with soapy water and rinse well. It will scratch off if your not careful. It's
just like spray painting. Piece of cake. Goatman Subject: Re: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:23:49 EDT From: THEMUZZ << I'm currently putting my 66 GTO back together. I was planning to spray vinyl dye over my
interior before I install it. The interior is fairly good, but the color (blue) is faded
somewhat. I'm just buying time until I can save for a new interior.>> Well, all I can say is that you need to prep real well first. When I did my dash I used lacquer
thinner first. Then I cleaned that with Windex. Then I tack clothed it and then sprayed it. It
came out great! Looks brand new! Damian Muzzi Wilmington, DE 1968 Pontiac GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:37:27 EDT From: THEMUZZ << lacquer thinner >> Mineral spirits, if that's the same thing? Damian Muzzi Wilmington, DE 1968 Pontiac GTO Subject: RE: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:51:06 -0400 From: "Haruk, Roman (JUS)" Lacquer thinner??? This didn't wreck havoc on your dash? Please tell me the process in detail! Roman Roman Haruk Integrated Justice 55 York St., Toronto, ON Subject: Re: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:18:22 EDT From: THEMUZZ << Lacquer thinner??? This didn't wreak havoc on your dash? Please tell me the process in
detail! >> Nope, the mineral spirits just cleaned all the wax and crap off (it may leave a white haze but
that's what I used the Windex for). All I did was put some mineral spirits on a cloth and wipe
over the entire dash pad. Then I used some Windex and then just wiped it clean! Then I used a
tack cloth to remove any dust and sprayed it with the vinyl dye (pep boys)... That’s it all the
details, the entire enchilada! You can ask Steve (geetotigr) how it looks, he has seen it! It's
holding up too, been about a year and no chips, cracks, or other wise! Damian Muzzi Wilmington, DE 1968 Pontiac GTO Subject: RE: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:48:25 -0400 From: "roman" That sounds just what my dash needs! Now, if I was putting a new Judge decal on the glove box
door, I guess I can still follow the same process? What kind of dye did you use, I'm from Canada and we don't have a pep boys here. Roman Subject: RE: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 21:33:46 -0500 From: "iceman" Did I miss a bunch of messages here? I posted a question on experiences with vinyl dye, and the
only response I saw was the following message. bill 66 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 00:31:55 -0500 From: "daryl" I used SEM dye they hold up good with the sun beating down on the interior in my ragtop. Looks
good after 2 years. daryl68ragtop Subject: Re: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 01:45:35 EDT From: THEMUZZ << Did I miss a bunch of messages here? I posted a question on experiences with vinyl dye, and
the only response I saw was the following message. >> YA you missed all my responses! Damian Muzzi Wilmington, DE 1968 Pontiac GTO Subject: RE: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:45:20 -0500 From: "iceman" oops.... My fault, the missing messages are in my wife’s computer. She logged on to send a message, and
of course it read in all the new mail. Some were posting questions on where to get the dye. Well, unless you need a simple black or
white, you will probably have to go to an auto paint supply store. My interior is #219 Blue.
The store mixed up a batch, and I tried it on a spare piece of interior vinyl. It's a perfect
match to the original color, or for that matter the new vinyl sold by Ames and Year One (I had
samples). My door panels are unripped, but they were warped somewhat. I applied warm water to the
cardboard backing, then pressed them between two wood panels with some weights on top. They
seem fairly straight now. (Dried them in the sun.) No car storage for me this year! I have about 4 months of work ahead to get ready for my cars
first cruise in 20 years. It's painted now, and its lookin like it wants to hit the road! Thanks for the replies... bill 66 GTO Subject: RE: [GTO] Vinyl Dye?? Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 09:21:21 -0500 From: "Bill" Thanks Muzz... I finally saw your comments. Sounds good.. As always the work is in the prep,
the rest is usually simple. Good to hear it lasts awhile.(A year or two) If anyone has the paint shop mix their color, ask them for the process (or read the can) some
vinyl dye has a 2 step process, although it sounds like Muzz's suggestion to clean with mineral
spirits and a tack cloth will be good enough. I'll start spraying my door panels later today. Had a tough time taking off the emblems. Had to
cut thru the fasteners, hopefully the local hardware store has replacements. Bill 66 GTO Chgo, IL Subject: [GTO] 67 GTO Interior paint question Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:18:15 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Smit I have a parchment interior and need to repaint the interior on the doors. Does anyone know the
paint code or where I can find the paint code for parchment interior for 67? I also need to
re-spray the dash and there is information in the restoration manual that says 60 degree black
for the lower instrument panel and 0 degree for the upper. What components of the dash are
considered upper and which are lower? Any help would certainly be appreciated. Thanks Subject: Re: [GTO] 67 GTO Interior paint question Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:10:43 EST From: JagginRoun The portion of the dash directly next to the windshield is flat black. All of the black that is
on the plastic gauge panel is flat black. The rest is 60%. Matt Dillon 66 Convt. Subject: Re: [GTO] 67 GTO Interior paint question Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:48:21 EST From: ARayman Basically, everything that is to the windshield side of the dashpad is upper, and everything
below is lower. Usually with the pad off you can see the line which is about where the studs
for the dashpad go thru the dash sheetmetal.. The dash bezel itself is the 0 degree. Subject: Re: [GTO] 67 GTO Interior paint question Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:55:07 -0600 (CST) From: edraden The upper dash (0 degree black) is considered to be the area between the dash pad & the
windshield. The lower dash (60 degree) would be from the dash pad to the lower edge. I'm not
sure about the dash color part of the dash bezel, but my recollection is that the gloss is a
little higher than flat but below the 60 degree, kind of like a satin. FWIW, Ed Raden Subject: [GTO] Just Dashes Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:49:34 EST From: RoyalGTO67 I am going to send the dash pad on a 67 GTO out this winter to be refinished. I have read good
things about "Just Dashes" in California and I was wondering if anyone on the list had an
experiences with this company. Also, how much I should expect to pay. Thanks for your help, Bob Subject: Re: [GTO] Just Dashes Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:36:34 -0600 From: Terry Nixon I called them about 5 years ago on a '67 dash pad and they quoted something like $250 then. Be
thankful it's not a '69--they're about $600... Terry Subject: Re: [GTO] Just Dashes Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:30:09 EST From: Jwroblesk >> I am going to send the dash pad on a 67 GTO out this winter to be refinished. I have read
good things about "Just Dashes" in California and I was wondering if anyone on the list had an
experiences with this company. Also, how much I should expect to pay. >> Why don't you just buy a new dash pad? Probably be cheaper. Joe Subject: Re: [GTO] Just Dashes Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:26:18 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Hill << I am going to send the dash pad on a 67 GTO out this winter to be refinished. I have read
good things about "Just Dashes" in California and I was wondering if anyone on the list had an
experiences with this company. Also how much I should expect to pay. Thanks for your help, Bob >> They did mine in my '68. Looks great, still after 4 years. I'll see if I can find the receipt,
but IIRC it was like $200. It's been awhile though and the memory is starting to get fuzzy. Subject: Re: [GTO] Just Dashes Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:17:26 EST From: RoyalGTO67 << Why don't you just buy a new dash pad? Probably be cheaper. Joe >> I have in the past and all the repro dash pads have a fiberglass back and they don't secure
very well. Subject: [GTO] Re: plastic polishing Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: Konen Tom OK you guys, I got the turn KNOB of the clock ROD. Now I want to polish the clear plastic cover.
Anyone have any ideas how to do this without making more of a mess then it already is. Subject: Re: [GTO] Re: plastic polishing Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:04:32 -0600 From: Mike Donahoe I have had fair luck with waxing - a good wax will hide some of the scratches (trick I learned
on snowmobile windshields for any of you other boys and girls up here in the soon to be frozen
wastelands). lol Wash with soft cloth and warm soapy water first. mike Subject: Re: [GTO] Re: plastic polishing Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:55:31 GMT From: "Pete Judge" Good ole crest tooth paste works great for polishing watchfaces etc....... Plastic and glass try it, works good. Pete 70 Judge Subject: [GTO] Re: plastic polishing Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:06:34 -0500 From: Rick Mokris << OK you guys, I got the turn KNOB of the clock ROD. Now I want to polish the clear plastic
cover. Anyone have any ideas how to do this without making more of a mess then it already is >> I've used 3m plastic cleaner followed up with their plastic polish on several things including
the gauge lens and achieved very good results. I got them at the local Murray's Auto Parts. I believe Maguire's also makes plastic cleaner and polish. Rick M. 66 GTO Tri-power/4spd 73 GP Model J Subject: [GTO] Pedal Assembly Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:17:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Alan L. Fanning" Does anyone know if a 69 GTO pedal assembly (for a manual trans) will work in a 65 A-body? Does anyone have a 65 A-body pedal assembly for sale cheap? ALF (voting for DeLorean/Wangers ticket) Subject: Re: [GTO] Pedal Assembly Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:30:36 EST From: ARayman I am not sure about the 69 assembly, but I know the 66-7 is a direct bolt in, and works allot
better than the 64-5. Under stressful situations, I've had the 64-5 pedal slip off the wheel.
You can also use the downshift switch from the 66 and 67 that mount to the firewall instead of
the intake. Subject: Re: [GTO] Pedal Assembly Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:43:50 EST From: Goat3 << Does anyone have a 65 A-body pedal assembly for sale cheap? ALF (voting for DeLorean/Wangers ticket) >> Hey ALF!! If you don't find a pedal assy. locally, give me a shout! I think my brother has a set from a
65 in the garage. On second thought, maybe an E Mail would be better than shouting. :^) Kenny L Goats3 Subject: Re: [GTO] Pedal Assembly Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 06:13:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Alan L. Fanning" << If you don't find a pedal assy. locally, give me a shout! I think my brother has a set from
a 65 in the garage. On second thought, maybe an E Mail would be better than shouting. :^) >> OK, I'm shouting as loud as I can... Can you hear me? Hey, I'm not having a lot of luck here...
Can you provide me with details, like how much? Condition? Etc? Thanks Kenny ALF Gauges and Switches: Subject: [gto2] [gto] Re: ignition switch Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:39:04 EDT From: ARayman What Vance says is correct, but the order is slightly out. 1. Place key into ignition and turn to accessory position. 2. The small hole should now line up with a plunger that is beneath. 3. Insert paper clip to depress hidden plunger. 4. With the plunger depressed, this will allow the switch to continue turning counter clockwise,
and it will pop out. Subject: [gto2] [gto] Re: Tachometer Service Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:31:19 EDT From: Framair << From: (Darrin Egleston) I have a tachometer on my 65 GTO that is not working. It seems that it is time for service.
Does anyone have any suggestions on a rebuilder/servicer that would take care of my tach?
Please post any responses that anyone has had, good or bad. >> .....Randy Watson 812-284-2555 The Tach Shop 2201 Surry Rd Jeffersonville, IN 47130 Subject: [gto2] [gto] Re: Tachometer Service Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:09:02 -0700 From: "Chris H.” << Darrin Egleston wrote: I have a tachometer on my 65 GTO that is not working. It seems that it is time for service.
Does anyone have any suggestions on a rebuilder/servicer that would take care of my tach?
Please post any responses that anyone has had, good or bad. >> Try R & C Tach Shop IN 812/284-2555, or Tachman at http://www.tachman.com/ Chris Subject: [gto2] Re: 68 Oil Pressure gauge Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:40:23 EDT From: GeeTO << My oil pressure gauge was working, then it quit. I replaced the sending unit. It still does
not work. >> Pull the wire from the sender then with someone else in the car see if the gauge pegs
itself when the sender wire is grounded with the key on. If so, then the gauge is good and
you've got a restriction before the sender or (gulp!) no oil pressure! If the gauge registers
nothing or moves only slightly with this test then have a peak behind the gauge. My '72 has
small, color keyed for each gauge, voltage resistors. They are available at most auto parts.
Just make sure you get the right color! If you need "light blue" get light blue! There is a
darker blue! If it looks pink make sure it isn’t a faded red one! There is pink ones and red
ones! Other than that, check to be sure you haven't lost a ground to the dash or the chassis
ground to the block. All else fails and the fuses and other gauges work, then you need a gauge! Henry '64 Tri-Pwr 4sp GTO '64 LeMans 6cyl. 2sp '72 400 TH400 GTO Subject: [GTO] 69 GTO speedo in a 68 cluster? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Bushley JUST WOUNDERING IF---Will a 69 140 mph speedo fit/work in a 68 cluster? I would like to have
the extra 'room if needed. Does anyone have one? I am still looking for a reasonable priced
manual bell housing, flywheel, and a 455 Pontiac crank. Thanks for your time-Eric ===== Eric 1968 GTO 1979 Chevy Truck 1995 Thunderbird (32v DOHC HO V-8 of COURSE) Buy, sell/trade parts-need/want anything, ask See all my Stuff for sale and wanted at: Subject: Re: [GTO] 69 GTO speedo in a 68 cluster? Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:51:05 GMT From: "Pete Judge" Eric, I have a manual bellhousing with the scatter shield cover, I will never use it. The problem is,
I am in British Columbia. Where are you? Pete 70Judge Subject: [GTO] Rally Gauges Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:35:11 -0500 From: "Robert J. Smith" Does anyone know of a good, reasonably priced source for a set of Rally gauges? The Parts Place,
where I like to go (though I sense I'm in a minority on this list) wanted $750 for a
refurbished set. Beautiful, but WOW. Would "Just Dashes" be a better bet? Anywhere else? Bob Smith 65 Convertible Wheaton, IL Subject: Re: [GTO] Rally Gauges Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 06:43:33 -0500 From: Terry Nixon Pete Serio restores and sells gauge sets. He's at http://www.precisionpontiac.com/ Just Dashes only does vinyl recovering. Terry Subject: Re: [GTO] Rally Gauges Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:55:38 EDT From: Bobgoat67 $750 may be a little high for a set of show restored '65 Rally Gauges, but not by much. If it's
a nice set that works and is guaranteed to do so, you may want to buy it...or at least take a
second mortgage on your house to do so. Just dashes deals in vinyl dashes and consoles, etc., not in dash gauges. Bob Subject: Re: [GTO] Rally Gauges Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:22:25 +0000 From: Rick Mokris I picked up a nice set of 66 Rally gauges a few years back for $225. At the same time, a friend
who was restoring his 65 got a mint set for $500. His contention was that the 66/67 Rally
gauges were much more plentiful....easier to find...cheaper than the 65's. Rick M. 66 GTO Tri-power/4spd 73 GP Model J http://www.goatsgarage.com Classic GTO Roadtests, GTO Magazine Ads, GTO Games GTO Wallpaper/Screenaver, My Cars and More! Subject: [GTO] Ignition lock removal Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:27:27 -0500 From: "Chris Bilich" Reading the instructions ("NO!!! Don't do it!!! You're a man!!!") didn't pay off, so I'm
totally lost! Trying to remove the ignition lock cylinder and replace it, in my '72 LeMans. The
instructions says there's either a "retaining screw" or a "spring loaded clip" behind the turn
signal cam, but when I got took everything out, there were neither. I've nearly disassembled
the entire steering column, and the cylinder's still there! Any help? Thanks! Chris Subject: Re: [GTO] Ignition lock removal Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:38:37 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << Reading the instructions ("NO!!! Don't do it!!! You're a man!!!") didn't pay off, so I'm
totally lost! Trying to remove the ignition lock cylinder and replace it, in my '72 LeMans. The
instructions says there's either a "retaining screw" or a "spring loaded clip" behind the turn
signal cam, but when I got took everything out, there were neither. I've nearly disassembled
the entire steering column, and the cylinder's still there! Any help? Thanks! Chris ?? >> Chris, you will have the type with a clip you must depress. Look at the new cylinder and at the
end of it you will see kind of a half moon shape spring loaded clip. In the column if you look
at about the area where the clip should be, there should be a small slot there you can insert a
small screwdriver into to push the clip in. That slot, however, is usually filled in by a real
thin layer of potmetal the you will have to poke the screwdriver through. This potmetal is
probably why you can't see the clip. Just push in on it and pull the cylinder out. Goatman Subject: [GTO] Ignition lock/steering column piece Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:06:30 -0500 From: "Chris Bilich" Thanks for all the help....I knocked out the flashing and drilled a little hole to the right of
it, jammed an awl in there, and the lock popped right out! What I failed to see when I disassembled the steering column COMPLETELY, was that I destroyed a
little clear plastic piece with two "brass/copper spring-loaded electrical contact thingys"
that stuck outward (toward the driver) from the stationary portion of the steering column,
contacting two contacts on the turn signal cam. I annihilated this piece, carefully inspected
the mechanisms to see if it was a "necessary" piece, and promptly left it out. The horn, turn
signal, and hazards still work. So what was this mystery piece? Was it for the accessory position on the ignition lock (where
you turn it backwards)? If so, it never worked on my LeMans anyways! Thanks, Chris Subject: Re: [GTO] Ignition lock/steering column piece Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:10:36 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << What I failed to see when I disassembled the steering column COMPLETELY, was that I
destroyed a little clear plastic piece with two "brass/copper spring-loaded electrical contact
thingys" that stuck outward (toward the driver) from the stationary portion of the steering
column, contacting two contacts on the turn signal cam. I annihilated this piece, carefully
inspected the mechanisms to see if it was a "necessary" piece, and promptly left it out. The
horn, turn signal, and hazards still work. So what was this mystery piece? Was is for the accessory position on the ignition lock (where
you turn it backwards)? If so, it never worked on my LeMans anyways! Thanks, Chris >> Chris, that "thingy" is only to activate the key buzzer. VERY annoying anyway so don't sweat
it. Everything else will work fine. The reason you acc. position doesn't work is because
someone had it apart before and didn't get the gear at the back end of the lock cyl. meshed
correctly with the drive actuator "thingy" that push/pulls on the electrical ignition switch
down below. Goatman Subject: [GTO] Ignition lock problem Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:24:54 GMT From: "Lance Christofferson" OK, over the past few months, my ignition lock has been jamming on me so I can not turn it all
the way to pull the key out of the ignition, I can shut the car off, and I can get it one click
more so all dash lights go off, but I cannot get it into lock position to get the key out, any
clues on how to rectify...or what has worn out or broken? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Lance 74 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Ignition lock problem Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:14:04 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC What kind of car and Auto on column or floor or standard tranny? Goatman Subject: Re: [GTO] Ignition lock problem Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:14:43 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC More than likely a bad Lock cylinder. Goatman Subject: Re: [GTO] Ignition lock problem Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:30:13 GMT From: "Lance Christofferson" It's a standard tranny car, with a tilt steering column. Subject: Re: [GTO] Ignition lock problem Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:57:51 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC There should be a lever you have to push down on to turn the key to lock position. Does this
lever move freely? Or does it feel like it's binding. If it is free, it is probably just the
lock cylinder or the key is worn out. You might try a new key. Goatman Subject: [GTO] Clock Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:18:05 -0400 From: Ted D Schultz Anyone know if the dash clock from a 69 GTO will fit a 67? Thanks! Subject: Re: [GTO] Clock Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:30:44 -0600 From: Dan Ted It seems to me the angle of the lens is different. I may be wrong but I think 64-67 are
interchangeable and 68-72 are the same. -Dan Subject: [GTO] Need Hood Tach Rebuild Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:46:35 EDT From: Fa627 Can anybody refer me to quality hood tach rebuilder or replacement hood tachs? I believe I have
the '69 style with the 5100 rpm redline. Thanks Lou 66 G-T-O Subject: RE: [GTO] Need Hood Tach Rebuild Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:53:58 -0400 From: "Ron Lawrence" Well Lou, all the popular Pontiac parts dealers like Ames, PY, and Year one carry reproduction
hood tachs. I bought mine from Ames... 'bout 200 bucks IIRC. Ron 70 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Need Hood Tach Rebuild Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:01:38 -0500 From: Bill Horwath How about calling Precision Pontiac. They rebuilt my Rally gauges, including the tach. Perhaps
they can fix your hood tach. http://www.precisionpontiac.com/ bill Subject: [GTO] Jumpy oil pressure gauge Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:58:18 GMT From: "Lance Christofferson" OK, I am at my wits end with this, my oil pressure gauge is being real weird, as I am driving
down the road out of no where it starts twitching. Yes twitching, kinda jumping back and forth
between 40 and 60. Oil pressure then quits for a long time then it might do it again out of the
blue again. Is this the oil pump going bad...or the screen attached to the oil pump...or just a
faulty gauge. The twitching doesn’t occur at a specific RPM, it just happens out of the blue.
Any help would be appreciated. I’d like to get this back to a fairly often driven car...
Instead of a garage queen. Lance 74 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Jumpy oil pressure gauge Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:22:19 -0700 (MST) From: James or Ellen Thompson << OK, I am at my wits end with this, my oil pressure gauge is being real weird, as I am
driving down the road out of no where it starts twitching. Yes, twitching, kinda jumping back
and forth between 40 and 60. Oil pressure then quits for a long time then it might do it again
out of the blue again. Is this the oil pump going bad...or the screen attached to the oil pump
...or just a faulty gauge. The twitching doesn’t occur at a specific RPM, it just happens out
of the blue. Any help would be appreciated. I’d like to get this back to a fairly often driven
car... Instead of a garage queen. Lance 74 GTO >> Lance, I strongly suspect that it's a gauge or sending unit problem rather than a real problem of
fluctuating oil pressure. I had something similar happen in my '65 GTO in the middle of a 3,000
mile trip last summer. The gauge suddenly went from showing about 50# to 15#, while we were
traveling along at 70 mph. But, there were no sounds from the engine to indicate a problem, so
I continued on. Later, I noticed a normal reading again. Since the changes came rather
frequently, I assumed it was a gauge problem. It still does exhibit this behavior occasionally,
but with no harm to the engine. To my knowledge, there's not much that can cause actual oil
pressure to fluctuate like that. I would check the connections at the sending unit and the
gauge and then, if the problem continues, temporarily connect a mechanical gauge to compare
with the original. If they show different readings (the original fluctuating and the mechanical
gauge not fluctuating), then replace the original sending unit and, if that doesn't do it,
replace the gauge itself. Or, just learn to live with it, if you're lazy like I am! Jim Subject: Re: [GTO] Jumpy oil pressure gauge Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 03:52:29 -0500 From: Sean & Mary Ann Mattingly << I strongly suspect that it's a gauge or sending unit problem rather than a real problem of
fluctuating oil pressure. >> Lance, you may really have a problem with oil pressure. I had that symptom happen. A spark
plug was loose in the threads. It could be hand-loosened. At idle, the oil pressure would rise
and fall. Oil pressure would drop unless the engine was revved up more. I tightened the spark
plug and the oil pressure problem went away. -- === Sean Mattingly, The Ultimate GTO Picture Site featuring 1964 through 1974 Pontiac GTO cars. === Race over to my page at http://UltimateGTO.com Subject: Re: [GTO] Jumpy oil pressure gauge Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:01:57 -0500 From: "John V. Dow Jr." My 70 GTO does the same from time to time too. It may jump 10-15 pounds, but it stops and is
steady until the next time (who knows when). I just keep a closer eye on it than I normally
would. I went to Florida and back this spring and had no trouble at all. John 70 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Jumpy oil pressure gauge Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:25:33 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << OK, I am at my wits end with this, my oil pressure gauge is being real weird, as I am
driving down the road out of no where it starts twitching. Yes, twitching, kinda jumping back
and forth between 40 and 60. Oil pressure then quits for a long time then it might do it again
out of the blue again. Is this the oil pump going bad...or the screen attached to the oil pump
...or just a faulty gauge. The twitching doesn’t occur at a specific RPM. It just happens out
of the blue. Any help would be appreciated. I’d like to get this back to a fairly often driven
car... Instead of a garage queen. Lance 74 GTO >> If you have a mechanical gauge, the problem sounds like you are pumping the oil pan dry. If
it's an old engine, it may have a lot of sludge build-up slowing down the oil return. You
might pull a valve cover and take a look at the oil return passages, to make sure they are
clear. Goatman Subject: [GTO] Speedo question Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:05:11 -0400 From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" I just installed a wide ratio Muncie in my '66 GTO. It had a 19 tooth gear for the speedo and I
had to add 12% to my speed/odometer to be correct. I calculated that if I used a 17 tooth gear
this should be right on. (19/17 = 1.117). Checking the restoration guide a 3.08 rear calls for
a 17 tooth gear. So, everything seemed to fall into place. When I installed the gear, I get
noise in the cable and a 6 mile trip only registered 4 miles. The only thing that I can think
of is the coarser 17 tooth gear only picks up some of the teeth on the drive gear giving a
false reading. Do I need to change the drive gear? If so what's the part #?? Subject: Re: [GTO] Speedo question Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:23:53 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << I just installed a wide ratio Muncie in my '66 GTO. It had a 19 tooth gear for the speedo
and I had to add 12% to my speed/odometer to be correct. I calculated that if I used a 17 tooth
gear this should be right on. (19/17 =1.117). Checking the restoration guide, a 3.08 rear calls
for a 17 tooth gear. So everything seemed to fall into place. When I installed the gear I get
noise in the cable and a 6 mile trip only registered 4 miles. The only thing that I can think
of is the coarser 17 tooth gear only picks up some of the teeth on the drive gear giving a
false reading. Do I need to change the drive gear? If so what's the part #?? >> Sounds to me like the gear is being chewed up. When I replaced my speedo gear(in a Muncie) many,
many moons ago, I remember the guy at the dealer told me that I need to replace the drive gear
also. You will have to pull the tail section off the tranny and the gear is held on by a clip
that is under the gear. I would pull the driven gear back out and look at it and see what it
looks like and go from there. Don't know the part #'s. Goatman Subject: Re: [GTO] Speedo question Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:31:06 -0400 From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" That's correct. I can never find a listing of the drive gear anywhere, just the driven. Subject: Re: [GTO] Speedo question Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Hill << Sounds to me like the gear is being chewed up. When I replaced my speedo gear(in a Muncie)
many, many moons ago, I remember the guy at the dealer told me that I need to replace the drive
gear also. You will have to pull the tail section off the tranny and the gear is held on by a
clip that is under the gear. I would pull the driven gear back out and look at it and see what
it looks like and go from there. Don't know the part #'s. >> I've always been told to replace them in pairs. IIRC the TCI site has a listing of part numbers
for the gear sets. ===== Brad '68 Ram Air GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Speedo question Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:25:45 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << That's correct. I can never find a listing of the drive gear anywhere, just the driven. >> I got my drive and driven gears at the Chevy dealer. They had them in stock. If they don't have
them any more you might try a manual tranny rebuilder, they might have some good used ones or a
source on new ones. There's got to be a demand for them. Goatman Subject: [GTO] Speedo answer? Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:29:21 -0500 From: Terry Nixon Not that this will be too much help, but there seems to be only 1 drive gear available from GM
for Muncies now: PN 6261794. This is the most common one in the Chevy parts book I have, used
everywhere. It has 8 teeth and costs $2.44 from http://www.gmpartsdirect.com . There's another that comes up, but it costs a ridiculous $21.84.
PN 3978758. No description. It looks like there were only 4 or 5 part numbers used during the
period my book covers ('67-'75), but the vast majority of cars used the 8-tooth. I know that on
my transmissions, the driven gear has a different number of teeth, but the diameter of the head
is the same, so it'll match up. FYI, the 3-speeds and TH350s use the same driven gears as the
4-speeds, mostly. Terry Subject: [GTO] idiot lights to gauges?? Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:33:21 -0500 From: "daryl" Pulled the dash apart this weekend. Got rid of the idiot gauges and put in gauges. I guess you
guys are right about what a pain in the a-----. Had the gauges when I bought the car 3 years
ago and been thinking about putting them in. After the run to Red Wing last weekend and the
Woodward Cruise in 2 weeks I decided to put gauges in what a pain!!!!!!!!!!!! Have to get the
new sending units for the temp and oil and I should be all set for WOODWARD... Subject: [GTO] Speedometer on a '69 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:54:06 -0400 Can anyone tell me what max. speed the speedo should read on a '69 GTO? Thanks, Roman Subject: Re: [GTO] Speedometer on a '69 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:08:19 -0400 120 MPH Don Subject: [GTO] Gauges Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 22:08:15 EDT From: CLOZEM In some pictures I've seen some additional gauges located on the console, right under the dash.
We're any oil pressure, batter/amp, temp. gauges offered as an option in '67? If not, does
anyone have any suggestions where to find gauges that look like they belong in a classic car?
Can someone tell me about the "rally" gauges that were offered in '67. I have the basic gauge
package, but someone along the lines added a tach. Where the clock goes. Thanks for the help. Scott '67 GTO conv. Subject: Re: [GTO] Gauges Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:53:49 EDT From: RoyalGTO67 I have never seen factory gauges mounted under the dash. The Rally gauges featured the in dash
tach where the speedometer normally would be and the oil and temp gauge is where the clock
would go. The face of the speedometer is slightly different with the Rally gauges and it is
mounted on the second left pod. Subject: Re: [[GTO] Gauges] Date: 3 Oct 00 18:53:24 PDT From: Scott Holten 1967 was the first year that they offered a hood mounted tach (dealer installed IIRC) and it
was also available in dash. I may get some crap for this because I'm sure that I cant support
it but... I do believe that you could get a console mounted tach as well. (cast your stones). As far as the Ralley gauges go, that is where the temp, oil, and amp meter were. The standard
gauges just had the idiot lights. Also, your car may not have even come with a clock. Many
came with a "blank" to fill the space. Scott Subject: [GTO] Hood tach (was Gauges) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 06:58:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Hill << 1967 was the first year that they offered a hood mounted tach ( >> Speaking of hood tachs, mine is a little on the dim side. I've checked all the connections and
changed the bulbs and everything seems OK. Any suggestions? With it getting dark earlier it's a
little difficult to see the tach. ===== Brad '68 Ram Air GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Hood tach (was Gauges) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 02:06:06 EDT From: GoatmanPaulC << Speaking of hood tachs, mine is a little on the dim side. I've checked all the connections
and changed the bulbs and everything seems OK. Any suggestions? With it getting dark earlier
it's a little difficult to see the tach. >> You sure you have a very good ground Brad? Also, check the connection where you picked up power
for the light. My guess is at the fuse box, if so, maybe you have a rusty terminal and you are
not getting a good connection. It has to be one of these two things or a low watt bulb. That's
all it could be. Goatman Subject: [GTO] rally clock Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:46:49 -0500 (EST) From: Konen Tom Does anyone know how the chrome knob that’s used for adjusting the clock comes off? I want to
take the clock apart and clean it, but I don’t know how this knob comes off. Subject: Re: [GTO] rally clock Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:16:05 -0800 From: (Troy Meyer) It's threaded on there. Pull out on the knob and if it doesn't unscrew use a well clothed pair
of needle nose pliers to hold the shank. Troy Subject: RE: [GTO] rally clock Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:24:54 -0500 From: "Collingwood, Mike" Tom: If I remember correctly, the knob is threaded and un-screws from the stem. Subject: Re: [GTO] rally clock Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:56:00 EST From: THEMUZZ << but, I don't know how this knob comes off. >> You don't know how your knob comes off? Couldn't resist he he he! Soak it in some hot water, my "clock" knob was just glued on! Damian Muzzi Wilmington, DE 1968 Pontiac GTO Subject: [GTO] Standard to Rally Gauge conversion Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:45:54 -0500 From: "David Campbell" I am considering replacing the idiot lights in my 70 GTO with Rally gauges. Could anybody pass
on their experiences/horror stories with this conversion? Thanks in advance. Subject: Re: [GTO] Standard to Rally Gauge conversion Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:36:37 -0600 From: "Daryl Hronek" On my 68 new temp sen., new oil sen., I kept the same wiring harness I had to just change 2
wires on harness, clip to get it to work look at wiring diagram in GTO book it shows your wires.
Don't know if 70 is the same. daryl68ragtop Subject: Re: [GTO] Standard to Rally Gauge conversion Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:14:26 GMT From: "Pete Judge" If you have a harness for the Ralley cluster it would be easier, but, if you have a manual and
have patience you can do it. There is a couple of wires you have to switch. Can’t remember, I
did it to a 71 LeMans Sport I had, but it was like 20 years ago. Pete 70 Judge Radio: Subject: [gto2] [gto] Re: Radio conversion Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:01:31 -0500 From: "Ed Raden" Rob, I had a radio for my '62 GP converted to AM/FM by The Radio Man, Bob Sponsel, Waxahachie,
2731 McPherson St., Dallas, TX 75212, (214)-573-7680. He was very nice and turned my radio
around very quickly, as we were trying to beat the UPS strike a few years ago. My radio uses
the stock case, knobs, turning and volume mechanisms, face plate, pushbuttons and dial. The
only deviation from stock is a small 3 color led in the far right corner. I didn't have Bob do
any restoration done to the front of my radio as it was already near mint. The conversion
wasn't cheap but my dash still looks dead stock and it beats the heck out of listening to AM
talk shows. Ed Raden << "Rob Wilson" on 08/27/99 10:44:25 PM Subject: [gto] [gto2] Radio conversion Hi guys, Quite a while back I was looking through a copy of Muscle Car Review and it had an ad in the
back from a company that took old radios and upgraded them with modern workings. I have looked
and found companies that make radios that fit older cars like our GTOs, but this is the first I
saw that they reused the old radio case. Is there anyone out there that is familiar with this
company and could give me their contact information. Thanks, Rob >> Subject: [gto2] [gto] Re: 68 GTO Radio Service Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 08:18:58 -0500 From: "Dirk Denzin" Richard's Vintage Auto Radio Service 7124 S. 46 ST Franklin WI 53132 1-888-352-2224 or 1-414-421-8650 Area code might have changed to 262. Let me know how he does for you. Dirk Subject: [GTO] stock AM radio, 68 GTO Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:34:45 PDT From: "Jim Ozolins" My original AM radio has sounded bad since I got the car (84). I am considering adding a hidden
stereo system, without butchering any panels. I will leave the stock piece in as a centerpiece
/theif-repellent. My question: On a stock electrical system, what will I need to beef-up, or add, to supply power
for a low price, 4 speaker, no frills cassette deck? thanks, Jim (got a million more questions, BTW) Subject: RE: [GTO] stock AM radio, 68 GTO Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:02:01 -0400 From: "P. Cunningham" You do not have to provide it with an additional power supply. You should just tap into the
switched power source powering the original AM radio. If you also need a constant 12V source
you can tap into the cigarette lighter circuit. You would only need to create a direct 12V
power supply if you were installing a separate amplifier. They usually want a direct battery
connection using minimum 12 gauge wire. My winter project on my 65 GTO this year was installing a Kenwood 180 watt stereo cassette
player in the glovebox with a 6 disc CD changer and Powered Bazooka subwoofer in the trunk. It
took a lot of time to install it and keep everything hidden. It turned out great and sounds
terrific. Subject: Re: [GTO] stock AM radio, 68 GTO Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 23:09:11 -0400 From: cadets << My original AM radio has sounded bad since I got the car (84). I am considering adding a
hidden stereo system, without butchering any panels. I will leave the stock piece in as a
centerpiece/thief-repellent. My question: On a stock electrical system, what will I need to beef-up, or add, to supply power
for a low price, 4 speaker, no frills cassette deck? thanks, Jim (got a million more questions, BTW) >> All you have to do is run some speaker wire and find a 12 volt switched source. (so you only
get power when the car is on). A new radio will have many wires you don't need. Just hook up
the antenna the speaker wires a ground and the power wire... Power will go to either a red or a
yellow. I’m not sure which one. One is a power wire for an amp so the amp is only on when the
radio is on. I think you want red but just check the radio schematic to be sure. Goood Luck Chris Subject: RE: [GTO] stock AM radio, 68 GTO Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:06:15 -0400 From: "Collingwood, Mike" Jim: As a different approach, you may want to consider sending your radio to a guy in Texas
called "The Radio Man". For around $425, he will convert your regular radio to a modern AM/FM
with leads for a hidden CD player. I think I saw his add in Smoke Signals. I have seen his work
and it was fantastic and sounded even better. You will need to hide additional speakers in your
car to keep it original. I hid mine under the dash and under the front seats in my 66
Convertible. Mike Subject: [GTO] Reverb ?s Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:27:59 -0400 From: Rick Mokris I came across what appears to be a car reverb at a garage sale. However, it doesn't look like
the Pontiac one I've seen.... It had a cardboard cover. Questions... Did other manufacturers use reverbs? It did have some numbers stamped on it.. How can I tell if it's a Pontiac reverb? Are they worth anything? TIA Rick M. 66 GTO Tri-power/4spd 73 GP Model J http://www.goatsgarage.com Classic GTO Roadtests, "How To" Articles, Magazine Ads, GTO Games, GTO Wallpaper/Screensaver,
My Cars and More! Subject: Re: [GTO] Reverb ?s Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:30:28 -0500 (CDT) From: alan fanning << I came across what appears to be a car reverb at a garage sale. However it doesn't look like
the Pontiac one I've seen.... It had a cardboard cover. It did have some numbers stamped on
it.. How can I tell if it's a Pontiac reverb? >> I have an original in the Goat.... No cardboard..... Do I have to climb into the trunk and get
the numbers? ALF Subject: [GTO] (NC) JVC stereo help needed Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 17:29:23 CST From: "Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine" Sorry for going off-topic but certainly someone here knows something about JVC car stereos... I have a JVC AM/FM/cassette (model KS-R135) that has no instruction manual. If anyone knows how
to set the stations and time, please email me offlist at olson@fabco.com. Thanks! Brad Subject: Re: [GTO] (NC) JVC stereo help needed Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:57:47 EDT From: Corpkilr1 << I have a JVC AM/FM/cassette (model KS-R135) that has no instruction manual. If anyone knows
how to set the stations and time, please email me offlist at olson@fabco.com. Thanks! Brad >> Brad......Next time make sure ya steal everything ya need. heh...heh... -corpkilr- Subject: Re: [GTO] (NC) JVC stereo help needed Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:56:33 -0400 From: "DChapman" You can probably get a PDF file of the manual off of their web site. I have done that with
Kenwood models before. JVC probably has the same thing available. Windows: Subject: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:41:20 EDT From: "Tom Tredinnick" Hello everyone, I'm sure some of you have had this problem. Since both my 68 GTO and 72 LeMans have it. The
rear quarter windows won't roll up or down with out "helping" them. You have to rock the glass
back and forth while you turn the crank. I removed the inside panel to look at the regulator
and window guide assembly on my '72. The 3 nylon rollers are loose but there. Nothing appears
broken or missing, the mechanism just binds up when you try to operate it. Any body have experience with this? Thanks for your help. - Tom T Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 00:26:21 -0400 From: cadets Make sure that the runners that the rollers go in are clean and lube them with grease. I'm not
sure what you are supposed to use, but I used axle grease. Also, make sure that the runners are
lined up properly. This may take some trial and error on you part changing the vertical and
horizontal pitch. Hope this helps. Chris Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:30:23 -0700 (MST) From: James or Ellen Thompson Tom, I had the same problem on my '66 and I used some silicone grease on the rollers and that took
care of the problem. If the nylon rollers are too loose, though, it might cause binding anyway. Jim Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 01:38:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei << For FREAKING sakes man, don't roll your rear windows down!!! >> This is the truth! I've never seen the windows get scratched, but every '68 -'72 A-body and
'67-'69 F-body 2 door rear window has had the worst problems getting half-assed in it's window
track... or breaking the nylon stop off the bottom and fell into the quarter panel. My sister's
'69 Firebird was the worst, but my '70 Tempest was a close second... and it's a post coupe...
I can't count how many times I've told the back seaters NOT TO OPEN THE WINDOWS! and ended up
tearing the interior panels out to get it back in track... I wish they sold little factory-looking delete plates for the rear window cranks... ----Steve Stephen Amadei Dandy.net CTO Atlantic City, NJ Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:52:49 -0700 From: mattingly For FREAKING sakes man, don't roll your rear windows down!!! On almost every '68 car I've ever rolled the rear windows down on, it creates horrible horrible
scratches on the window glass. When cranked, it makes semi-circle gouges on the lower part of
the glass. I don't know why, I just know that sooner or later they all get funky in their badly
designed mechanisms. Then they look like hell when scratched. No cranking in the back seat,
please! -- === Sean Mattingly, The Ultimate GTO Picture Site featuring 1964 through 1974 Pontiac GTO cars. === Race over to my page at http://UltimateGTO.com Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 02:39:58 -0700 From: mattingly I'll tell you how to make them, free. Disable the ones you have. Take off the rear cranks. Then
get a wide drill bit and drill out the center of the crank where the little pointy spikes are.
You're removing the metal that "bites" into the shaft. Then reinstall the handles with the clip
and all. Now your backseat passengers can't screw with the rear windows. They can crank all
they want and the window won't go down! -- === Sean Mattingly, The Ultimate GTO Picture Site featuring 1964 through 1974 Pontiac GTO cars. === Race over to my page at http://UltimateGTO.com Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:52:11 EDT From: Goats3 That’s kinda tough with power windows! :^) I concur with the others. Keep 'em well lubricated,
and aligned properly. I used a white brake type grease on the tracks. Kenny L Subject: Re: [GTO] Rear quarter windows binding Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 21:25:48 EDT From: "Tom Tredinnick" Sean, I see what you mean on my 72 LeMans the glass is scratched just like you say. On further
inspection, it is coming from a (water deflector?) metal L shaped piece that is outboard the
glass, just under the rubber lip seal on the window opening of body. It is rubbing the glass.
Maybe there is an adjustment to cure this, but its too late for old Rusty's (72 LeMans) rear
glass. The goat will be spared. Thanks, Tom T 72 LeMans, 68 GTO. Subject: [GTO] Proper way to remove door glass? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:10:20 -0400 From: Rob Bostwick What is the proper way to remove the glass in the door of a 68 GTO? Do I need a special wrench
for the threaded disc with the 2 holes in it? Even if I tap at the 2 holes with a small chisel
and a hammer, the bolt moves, too. I cannot hold that through bolt still, as there seems to be
no head on it. What am I doing wrong, here? Thanks in advance, Rob Bostwick Subject: Re: [GTO] Proper way to remove door glass? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:31:59 EDT From: Goats3 I replaced the glass in the drivers door of my 68 a few years ago. I don't remember everything
exactly, but I know I had no special tools or anything. Kenny LHeater: Subject: [GTO] Foam for heat control doors... Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:47:43 -0500 From: "iceman" Thanks to all who have responded to my previous questions. Here's another one for you: I removed the heater core support housing and noticed that the foam seal on the temp door is
almost completely disintegrated. Has any on attempted to replace the foam on the door, or the
rubber seal on the defrost/heat door? I don't see ant replacements at Ames, Year One or the
like. Any suggestions? I was going to use some foam from packaging material, but thought I'd ask
around first. thanks bill 66 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] Vent Flap Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:31:34 -0500 From: "Dirk Denzin" I used sheet silicone foam purchased from MSC or McMaster Carr, I can not remember which, but
both have this type of mat'l. I did it on my '65, both sides. Dirk Subject: [GTO] AC vent ball help Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:39:48 EDT From: R92Z28 I bought a set of new AC vent balls for the dash of my 66 Goat. Can anyone tell me how to get
the old ones apart? I removed the housings from the dash and took the screws out of the sides.
I still can't get them apart to install the new balls (I'm sure you guys will have some
comments on that one). I don't want to force and break anything, so I'm polling the list for
help. Thanks. Raymon 66 GTO HT Subject: [GTO] Disassemble '68 A/C Vents Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:51:13 EDT From: Green68gto Has anyone on the list had their vertical A/C vents rechromed? I'm wondering how to take them
apart. It looks like the adjustable vent part (black) is riveted to the chrome part. Any
suggestions on taking these things apart? It would be nice to have them rechromed to match my
new dash. Thanks, Ken '68 GTO Subject: RE: [GTO] Disassemble '68 A/C Vents Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:54:08 -0700 From: "Sebesta, Keith" Just by new ones.. I believe Ames or Performance Years has them.. I just bought some last year. Subject: [GTO] 70 gto question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:10:44 EDT From: PGates6804 Hi List, I also have a rear window blower motor. I was wondering if a 70 gto came with the blower
motor or the defrost window. The one I have is out of a 69. Someone told me that 70's came with
the defroster window. Any info appreciated. Thanks Adam Subject: [GTO] 70 gto question Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Petro Stephen R." Hi Adam, The answer to your question is: In 1970 you could get either of these two options. RPO 534 Electric rear window DEFROSTER (like the current cars today have with lines
impregnated in the glass). RPO 541 Two speed rear window DEFOGGER (dealer or factory installed option) This is an actual blower that blows on the rear window. The grill is painted 60% gloss to match
the interior trim color. My car has the Two speed DEFOGGER and I only had to use it once this year on Saturday morning
of the Dream Cruise. It worked really well. It came in handy to see the skunk do summer salts
in my rear view mirror after I hit him. Either options are activated by a rocker switch located to the right of the steering wheel on
the "engine turned" surface. The blower is not located dead center of the vehicle it is offset
to one side. Hope this helps, Steve Petro 1970 Orbit Orange JUDGE http://ultimategto.com/rest01.htm Subject: RE: [GTO] 70 gto question Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:50:31 -0400 From: CharlesB It’s probably a safe guess that the defroster window was an option in '70, but I have
personally known the owners of 3 '70 GTO's & none of the had it. Just a plain rear window. I
don't remember if they had the blower motor though (like my '69 also has). But I THINK I do
remember the switch in the dash in one of them. If they did come with that option then I'm just
1 guy who hasn't seen it yet. Sorry that wasn't more helpful than it was. CB Subject: Re: [GTO] 70 gto question Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:05:04 GMT From: "Pete Judge" My 70 Judge has the rear defroster blower motor option, actually all three Judges I have owned
have had this type, and a buddy of mine in Vancouver has the defrost window. Pete 70 Judge Subject: [GTO] 69 A/C Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:20:18 -0500 From: "Chuck Goodfellow" Hi, Does anyone know if A/C setup will go into a non A/C car without any mods? Chuck 69 GTO Subject: Re: [GTO] 69 A/C Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:45:39 EDT From: Goats3 I can't say for sure about 69, but I removed factory A/C from a 70 GTO and replaced it with a
heater assy from a 70 Tempest. It WAS NOT bolt in. The firewall is different on A/C vs non A/C,
at least in 70. Kenny L Back to TECH Subjects
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