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Maverick-jin8
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Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Location: New York
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| shepuga wrote: | | I feel bad for those so biased either way that they completely lack the compassion and moral responsibility to recognize the severity of something like this, no matter the beliefs or manner that that person held. |
Responsibility? He jumped out a window, so what. A year ago he spammed, then he had cancer, then he went to the hospital for drug overdose (or so I hear), then he comes in the channel drunk talking about how he got his girlfriend to break up with him, then he ran away for home.
Why should I have compassion for all his cries for help, not my problem he isn't getting the help he needs but doesn't want.
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Darkie
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if greg is singing iron man,if not,he should  .
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xnamkcor
Joined: 27 Apr 2003
Location: Mesa, AZ
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| Ptx wrote: | | shepuga wrote: | | I feel bad for those so biased either way that they completely lack the compassion and moral responsibility to recognize the severity of something like this, no matter the beliefs or manner that that person held. |
Well put Shep, well put. Get better KOE, I'll have that rhyme you wanted soon. *You better pull through because we're a rapping duo, we don't need eachother acting out like a fool. Get better and out, hope you're thinking more clearly. Most of us here are missing you dearly* |
What are you doing to Duo? 
I hope he is enjoying his TV. At our local hospital ours is on a boom.
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Dash2110
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Home of the Japahoes
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Maverick-jin8 wrote: | | Why should I have compassion for all his cries for help, not my problem he isn't getting the help he needs but doesn't want. |
When you start jumping out windows, whether or not you want help shouldn't even matter anymore. You need to be institutionalized just on medical advice alone.
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Dallasama
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Where the lawyers aren't...
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Dash2110 wrote: | | Maverick-jin8 wrote: | | Why should I have compassion for all his cries for help, not my problem he isn't getting the help he needs but doesn't want. |
When you start jumping out windows, whether or not you want help shouldn't even matter anymore. You need to be institutionalized just on medical advice alone. |
Or Cobainized.
EDIT: I believe I just coined a new word/term.
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Shockwave
Joined: 28 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Maverick-jin8 wrote: | | shepuga wrote: | | I feel bad for those so biased either way that they completely lack the compassion and moral responsibility to recognize the severity of something like this, no matter the beliefs or manner that that person held. |
Responsibility? He jumped out a window, so what. A year ago he spammed, then he had cancer, then he went to the hospital for drug overdose (or so I hear), then he comes in the channel drunk talking about how he got his girlfriend to break up with him, then he ran away for home.
Why should I have compassion for all his cries for help, not my problem he isn't getting the help he needs but doesn't want. |
He lives a hard life. Show him some empathy. What happens if you were in his shoes? What would I care more about a message board or someone who needs help? So what if he spammed this place up, get over it. Sometimes we have to set aside or differences and move on.
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RockNRoll
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Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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We all live hard lives, but most of us don't go flinging ourselves out our bedroom windows ala Jack*ss. A hard life is no excuse to act reckless with your life.
Do I hope he gets better. Yes. Do I think he was validated on what he did? Hell. No.
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Medivh
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Man, that must suck, jumping off a second story building and landing on glass. I hope his injuries leave scars. I say this not to be mean or heartless, but to remind him of what he did.
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InnerDemon
Joined: 02 May 2003
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I have to say, if it's all true (I feel skeptical) I'm quite disapointed. I don't give poopy if it was a joke, a dare or drug influenced. I think you need to sort yourself out.
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Kyoushu
Joined: 15 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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He could have at least opened the window.
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xnamkcor
Joined: 27 Apr 2003
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| Kyoushu wrote: | | He could have at least opened the window. |
Or at least went where there is none...like the roof.
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Dash2110
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Shockwave wrote: | | Maverick-jin8 wrote: | | shepuga wrote: | | I feel bad for those so biased either way that they completely lack the compassion and moral responsibility to recognize the severity of something like this, no matter the beliefs or manner that that person held. |
Responsibility? He jumped out a window, so what. A year ago he spammed, then he had cancer, then he went to the hospital for drug overdose (or so I hear), then he comes in the channel drunk talking about how he got his girlfriend to break up with him, then he ran away for home.
Why should I have compassion for all his cries for help, not my problem he isn't getting the help he needs but doesn't want. |
He lives a hard life. Show him some empathy. What happens if you were in his shoes? What would I care more about a message board or someone who needs help? So what if he spammed this place up, get over it. Sometimes we have to set aside or differences and move on. |
Yes, because living at home with your family, going to school, and being supported everyday must be the epitome of arduous.
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Voulnet
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Joined: 21 Apr 2003
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Pfft. He should've chose a high building.
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Dash2110
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Voulnet
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I'll send a map to KOE.
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xnamkcor
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Here, How about these? I bet he would have fun trying to find them.
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KOE
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
Location: The land of no return
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| Quote: | | All right, any of KOE's good friends might be able to tell you this already, but he's done something terribly, terribly stupid, and I just got an IM from a friend of his on his condition. |
I don't mean to be rude or anything Rukky, but I really, really wish you hadn't posted this, as it isn't the business of most the people on this board, and this isn't the type of thing I really want to share with anyone aside from my friends, but oh well the fat's in the frying pan now.
| Quote: | | He recently got very pissed with life and found the need to throw himself out a second-story window. Idiot. |
You and Video Bob have sort of botched the story a little my Gooth, but that's the basics of it.
| Quote: | | ::hugs to teh KOE:: Hope you're feeling better soon, man, and I wanna talk to you soon. Prayers are gonna go up from me. Peace. |
I hope you're on AIM later, Rukky, I need to talk to you about Saturday Night, about everything. For anyone who doesn't know what happened Saturday night between me and Rukasu, he was the last person to talk to me that night before I did the deed, and Ruk, I'm sorry for being so short with you and refusing to talk, especially after seeing your support in this thread and on your site. I'm sooooo sorry Gooth.
| Quote: | He complains that others screw his life up, yet he goes and does it to himself?
The only question here is "Why?". |
You're right Kanuck, that is the only question here, and after I've replied to everyone individually I'll answer that question and give an explanation and everything.
| Quote: | | I hope KOE gets better and is back at 100% soon and gains a new outlook on life. |
It'll be about a month before I'm truly at 100% but I do have a new outlook on life, and I've changed a lot of things in my life.
Thank you for the well wishes ZTH, my friend.
| Quote: | | I find this somewhat funny to be honest. I'm not all that suprised, but I find it somewhat amusing. Is it wrong to laugh at your friends? o_O |
No, it isn't wrong to laugh at your friends, at all.
| Quote: | | Anyways, KOE will prolly be fine, so I'll just leave him with advice. Stop doing stupid stuff, KOE. |
I will. I have.
| Quote: | | As soon as he get's better, he needs to be institutionalized. |
Dash, I've really got nothing to say to that, in all honesty.
| Quote: | Silly Greg and his Mtv's JackAss auditions. Honestly if you were the far up poopy's creek you could have talked to someone instead of trying to be Peter Pan. You know us humans can't fly unless we have ourselves a Red Bull cause "Red Bull gives you wings".
Seriously though heal up and come here so I can kick your ash for acting a fool. |
I actually had the first laugh I've had in these six days when I read that, Chao. Thanks for the support and chuckles.
| Quote: | I have no love for spammers...
*wishes KOE would stop with the whole "I am the ultimate spammer" act* |
I have nothing to say to that except that I have stopped with the "ultimate spammer" act. With that, I move on.
| Quote: | *shakes head* God,you are an idiot greg.
Trowing yourself out a second-story window won't kill you,now a third story can.
I hope ya get better though |
I wasn't in my right, or sober mind when I went through that window, otherwise I would've gone out a higher one.
Thanks for your wishes Dena.
| Quote: | | I don't know you well, and I won't pretend to. First time I recall seeing you on the board, you were doing some sort of proxy-spam attack. At least, I believe that was you. It was weak anyway. And from what I've seen, even though you're somewhat empathic to others, you're also an idiot, who seems to have no direction. |
Err.........I'm not an idiot which is what anyone who really knows me will tell you, and I do have a direction, it's just been side tracked by a few things lately, which I'll get to later. Thanks for the kind words.
| Quote: | | I can offer my remorse, and pity. I honestly hope you recover, and after you do so, may your best friend beat the piss out of you for doing such. Don't do that poopy again, and if you do decide become that weak, at least Cobainize yourself. |
I don't really want your remorse and pity, or anyone's really, and you can keep your bunnies and zigs and weed.
| Quote: | | Wait, was he trying to commit suicide? Because if he was, then he musta been really dumb for jumping out of a SECOND story window. |
*Shrugs* I damn well know a second story window isn't likely to kill me, I was drunk as hell.
Kaiser, Marvelbliss, thanks for the words and thought.
| Quote: | | I feel bad for those so biased either way that they completely lack the compassion and moral responsibility to recognize the severity of something like this, no matter the beliefs or manner that that person held. |
All I have to say is a reiteration of what Ptx said, and that's well put Shep, though I'm sure you disagree with what I did. I disagree with it too.
| Quote: | At least his lie wasnt as obvious as the linkin park/MM6 for GBA thing.
And if it's true... He deserves it. He did it. not anybody else...
No pitty from me. BTW I hope he was smart enough to open the window first. |
I don't want your pity or anyone's, and that assumption by people that that's why I did it is probably the most offensive thing I've ever read. I didn't try and kill myself for people's sympathy, pity or love. I tried to kill myself because I wanted to die, to leave this world and to leave everyone, and everything, behind. It was in the state through which I was in; the drunk, miserable state. Keep your "pitty" man, it's not why I tried to kill myself, it wasn't so that Xnam or someone else on the Internet could pity me, it wasn't even so that someone in real life could pity me. It wasn't for pity, and it wasn't clear thinking.
| Quote: | | Let us all keep KOE in our prayers and hope he will have a full, peedy recovery. |
Thanks Estil, and I have to talk to you as well.
| Quote: | | Well put Shep, well put. Get better KOE, I'll have that rhyme you wanted soon. *You better pull through because we're a rapping duo, we don't need eachother acting out like a fool. Get better and out, hope you're thinking more clearly. Most of us here are missing you dearly* |
Thanks Ecks. I have to talk to you as well about the rap, my pahtna.
| Quote: | | What are you doing to Duo? |
Did you read the word "rapping" before it? That should've been enough of a clue to you of what we were "doing to duo".
| Quote: | | I hope he is enjoying his TV. At our local hospital ours is on a boom. |
The TV sucked.
Shockwave: Thank you for your words, but don't worry about defending me. I don't need defense from anyone. Don't worry about people empathizing with me, it doesn't particularly matter what anyone else thinks anymore, now it's a matter of me getting off my ass and getting help for myself.
| Quote: | | Man, that must suck, jumping off a second story building and landing on glass. I hope his injuries leave scars. I say this not to be mean or heartless, but to remind him of what he did. |
Yeah, I've nothing to say to that except that I agree.
There've been a few posts that I've ignored, for many reasons. Some were SPAM, some offended me, some were reiterations of something, etc. etc, so I didn't respond to them all. Oh, BTW, I don't need a map to the Sears Tower, I'm fully aware of where the big buildings are in my city.
Now, onto what happened.
Last Saturday afternoon I got drunk. I spent the whole day pretty much wasted. I'd finished writing my storylines for wrestling, I finished thinking my ideas for my school radio show, I had finished talking to a friend of mine who I've been helping with some problems, and I had a few drinks. I ended up wasted and thinking about a lot of things in the past, and I spent a long time toying around with the idea of suicide. I can't remember what was really going through my mind, but I know it wasn't pretty.
Basically, I was angry, I was angry at my life, at what I've done, at the fact that I've been doing hard drugs. I was angry to be honest that I didn't have enough character to stop myself from drinking and taking all the drugs I was taking, and I was angry for making a promise to a friend that basically prevented my from backyard wrestling anymore "for my safety". To be honest with everyone, wrestling is the thing that keeps me from physically bouncing off the walls. It's what has prevented me from punching people in the mouth, from going on a physical rampage. I've had a lot of anger lately, and wrestling, from writing the storylines to helping script people's promos, to the actual matches have been an outlet, so my "friend" guilted me into leaving my physical outlet.
Basically, I was drunk out of my mind and I threw myself through the window, landed on my side, broke my right arm in several places, and now I'm at home with a numb neck from the surgery and an arm that's casted from two inches above my wrist and up. While my typing isn't at fast as before, it hasn't made my typing too bad, but it's a pain in the ass. As far as I go, I'm getting some counseling and rehab for my problems, and that was all under my own free will.
Yesterday I was in my hospital bed, and I was lost in thought about the drugs I've been using, I was lost in thought about all the emotional scars, I was lost in thought about every mistake, every move, every error everything I've made in the last few months and I kind of broke down in tears at myself. I've been writing Rukasu a letter (he's a bit like my penpal, and probably my closest cyber friend) as I promised him the letter. When he wrote me he talked about his life in detail, and I'm doing the same for him. There's a part where I get to the drugs I've been taking lately. As I broke down a bit at everything, at the thought of my "friends" I became increasingly aware of the fact that I've sort of lost my mind lately, that I've sort of lost all control that I have over myself, and I realized that it's time for me to seek some drug therapy, get rid of my stockpile of drugs (I threw them in the trash, as I refuse to sell them to friends or give them out) and I'm going to see a conselor weekly. I'm also going to talk to my friends a bit more, as I have a lot of friends over here willing to be with me and talk to me and help me get through this, as I've spent one hell of a lot of my life helping my friends get through this sort of thing. I also have Rukasu who is a great guy and probably my closest cyber buddy. He's more than that really, he's my Gooth.
So yeah, I tried to kill myself in a drunken rage (which is why I threw myself out the second story window/threw myself out period. I would've never done this sort of thing if I were sober, really, and I'm not drinking or doing any drugs anymore) and am now going to get the help I need, both for physical and mental therapy. Now Monday I hve to confront everyone at my school, as my closest friends are pissed at me. They've each left a message on my answering machine, mostly saying "You're a son of a b*tch for this sort of thing Greg, we were worried, we're going to talk with you, you idiot. You're a bastard for doing this, but we love you anyway". That's the basic gist of what they said. I did get a few messages from people (my "friend" Ryan, whom I beat in the LSC President Election for our school) that were, shall we say, a bit cold "It's a shame that you survived it" but that doesn't bother me, really. I mean, I'm going to confront his boney ass, but I'm pretty all right, and the current "state" of "teh KOE" is anxious to talk to a few certain people, both in real life and here. My friends are coming over around four to talk to me, and I'm going to be waiting for a few people (Gooth, Ptx, etc. etc) till' later today.
I really wish this thread had never been started, but thanks to everyone who sent well-wishes, and even to those who didn't. Hopefully we can all forget this, as it's really no one's business. I'm kind of done with my explanations, I'm through replying to people, and I hope that everyone can like, let this topic be. Hell, lock it if you must, just with me replying about my status this topic has served its purpose, really.
KOE
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Dallasama
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I don't know you well, and I won't pretend to. First time I recall seeing you on the board, you were doing some sort of proxy-spam attack. At least, I believe that was you. It was weak anyway. And from what I've seen, even though you're somewhat empathic to others, you're also an idiot, who seems to have no direction. |
Err.........I'm not an idiot which is what anyone who really knows me will tell you, and I do have a direction, it's just been side tracked by a few things lately, which I'll get to later. Thanks for the kind words.
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I didn't mean idiot in the aspect of intelligence. I meant one in the aspect of general wisedom. From some of your posts I skimmed through to others I read completely, this was the conclusion I drew. Bad choices are bad for a reason. Yes, I'm being somewhat hypocrytical. I smoke weed, and drink heavily, and have occassionally tripped on 'shrooms. I know it's not doing anything good for my body but I do it as a social pick-me-up and as a release - at the same time, I don't let my emotions carry too heavily into my altered state of mind, which is something indescribably learned.
I am glad to see you're alright. Don't do it again.
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Darkie
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: on the last bit of sainity.
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:33 am Post subject: |
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God,I must be getting lucky,first you survive and then my freind does O_o.
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Rukasu Blackhart
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Joined: 02 May 2003
Location: In your closet!
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| Voulnet wrote: | | Pfft. He should've chose a high building. |
Did anyone actually think this was funny? I can appreciate that you don't like KOE, that's fine. No one HAS to like anyone, but for pity's sake, dude, he could've been a lot more hurt than he was.
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Har de har har. Very funny, Dash. Let's all make fun of the guy who might have been dead. Ha ha.
| xnamkcor wrote: | | Kyoushu wrote: | | He could have at least opened the window. |
Or at least went where there is none...like the roof. |
::shakes his head:: I can't believe the mods haven't done anything about you guys, really. This place is here to offer advice and cheer to those who have problems in their life, not to offer your flippant little comments and alternate methods of suicide, okay? Mocking someone who tried to kill themselves in a forum meant for helping people is classless. I've alerted a mod to come and lock or delete this thread, as it's (thankfully) no longer needed.
In the future, if you feel the need to flame a member like this, I'd thank you to stick to Thumper Rabbit's famous piece of advice: "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
- R.b.
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Darkie
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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No,Not everyone does,Take that from someone who tried to kill themself.
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KOE
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The name's KOE, not KEO 
No, I don't really think they were joking. It doesn't bother me, though. It really doesn't bother me too much.
I can't conclusively say whether or not Dash/Voulnet were joking, but I don't particularly consider it joking, especially not when I begin considering me and Voulnet's history. If Voulnet was joking to make me smile he was kidding on the square, meaning kidding but meaning it at the same time.
Regardless, I don't see Voulnet's comments as joking at all. Was I offended? Kind of yes when I consider how heartless and cold blooded that kind of thing is, then it's kind of no because he's a random Internet fool who has a grudge against me, so no, it doesn't really bother me, but it just made me sick to my stomach.
I personally chose not to reply to the pictures of higher buildings, Xnam or Voulnet's comment about the map and "Pfft, higher building etc" because they all, whether they were kidding or not (it's hard to kid like that with someone who's not your friend, and.............they're not really my friends) it's hard to not feel a little sickened by that.
Their kind of responses were some of the reasons that I wish Rukky hadn't posted this thread, as it makes me sick to my stomach to see that sort of stuff. In the end, though, I don't particularly care what Voulnet had/has to say, I just consider all of that generally classless, especially if they (and specifically he) mean it from the heart, and I have a sneaking suspicion that he does, based both on the past and encounters I've had with him (even today!)
So yeah, I don't care, insult me if you'd like. Give me alternate methods of suicide, put up pictures that you know I might take "the wrong way", it's all right. It doesn't bother me, it's just classless, cold and malicious, but it's something I can handle and deal with, so yeah, to hell with anyone who has something so openly negative to say about me in a forum that's not supposed to be about trashing.
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Darkie
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See?
Dun worry,I love ya in a sisterly way greggy.
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Voul, I know you dislike him and all. But damn man. I don't care if you freaking hate the man but don't f*ucking joke about his sucident attempt and you too dash. I repect you two but damn.. this just crossing the line.
Xnamkcor, you get your head out of your ass now. That picture is not to be use as a joke at all. I don't care if two years had passed that is completely uttery childish.
Koe, don't try that again man.. even if your life is screw up... I take this kind of stuff very serious. My own cousin had try to attempt at it and almost die.
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