BOYCOTT JARROD'S PLACE

BOYCOTT JARROD'S PLACE

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this is the show confermation before it got cancled and then rescedualed

gig confirmation 12/6/2003 band name

Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:42:56 (GMT)

Please do not respond to this message. If you need to make corrections please forward a copy of this email to xxxx. Any questions about confirmations should also be sent to xxxxxxxx Band Name: band name Main Contact: j Contact Title: jim's band Email: xxxx Address: xxxxxx Address: City: braintree State: MA Zip: 02184 Phone: 555 555 5555 Type of Music: death metal Band Member 1:xxx Member 1 Title: guitar Band Member 2: xxxx Member 2 Title: drums Band Member 3: xxxx Member 3 Title: vocal Band Member 4:xxxxxx Member 4 Title: bass Band Member 5: Member 5 Title: Band Member 6: Member 6 Title: Band Member 7: Member 7 Title: Band Member 8: Date of Engagement: 12/6/2003 Is the band selling tickets: Yes Over 18 Yes Ideas:600+ e mail list paper flyers 1/4 1000ea and 8.5X11 200ea spam message boards and guest books

on 12/6/06 we had a blizzard the show was cancled

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email from promoter who set up show

Sun, 21 Dec 2003 23:01:45 EST

Jarrod said that you guys didn't pick up any tickets. You should get in touch with him.

later,
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email from promoter who set up show

Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:52:10 EST

Jim,

You don't have to worry about that sign up crap stuff on Jarrod's site. Just make sure you get rid of a bunch of tickets for this show. I'm going to go nuts with advertising. Let Jarrod know that you've got tickets or are selling tickets........

talk to ya soon.....

have a great Christmas!!

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me to jarrod

Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:14 AM

i was under the impression we were still going to be on this show? i see it listed on youe site but bandX has been given our spot? we have tix and have been selling them before the show was postponed

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me to promoter

Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:14:39 -0800 (PST)

Subject: yo what the hell

is up with the XXXXXX show i e mailed jarrod about it and have got NO reply so were not actively promoting the show (i mean it's on our site) but my last batch of flyers i didn't put it on cause i wasn't sure if we were on it or not were not on the jarrods site and i see bandX has been given our time slot(no biggie there i just wanna know if were on it) to say i'm pissed is and understatement, you know me man i go balz out when it comes to flyering and shit i have 600+ people in my e mail list (all from mass ri and nh) and the snowed out show i did well over 1000 1/4th flyers and 500 8X11 flyers put out at the black Xmas show 500 1/2 sheets

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reply from promoter to me

Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:35:32 -0800 (PST)

I noticed that on the site you weren't listed. I will e-mail him to see what's up as well

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e mail to jarrod from me asking why were not listed on the site

Monday, December 29, 2003 10:59 AM

are we on it or not i was under the impression it was to be rescedualed with the same line up i see it has been re booked but i also see were not listed and that bandX is in the time slot we were in

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reply from jarrod to me

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:00:47 -0500

You guys are scheduled and are listed on the site. The new date is Jan 31st. I have moved you to the opening slot at 9:00pm only because bandX sold 90 tickets and I thought that it was necessary to move them up a slot to make sure that all their ticket holders would make it to see them. JArrod

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e mail i sent to promoter about the change in the line up

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:59:48 -0800 (PST)

did they really sell 90 tickets?

we don't care where on the bill we're at but i think it's a shitty reason for him to move us and it's the reason i/we will not sell anymore tix for the show at all and i am considering pulling us from it i hate him and his club and gay ass policies people need to boycott his club from attending shows there and playing there

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reply from the promoter to me

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:00:34 -0800 (PST)

I'm not sure I like that he changed you to open. If you want, take it up with bandX. You've been around longer. Also, question Jarrod if that gay band of his, bandXX is still playing, 'cause if they are there's no why in hell you should be openning. I've never heard of that band. I don't think it's fair.

At the Box of Knives show you and I have to sit down and talk about this show. Would it be alright with you if I express my unhappiness about the change to Jarrod?

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me to promoter

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:20:34 -0800 (PST)

don't waste your breath expressing how you feel about the change no biggie we don't care where we are on it, it's fine really i mean it i just think he is a dick he probly thinks the tix you got for us was also for them 30+30 is 60 + 25 is 85 not 90 but i think he was attemting to justify his reason for the switch

bottom line no biggie jarrod sux we just won't sell the rest we have and i'll do minimum to promote the show not like it's our only show anyway

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promoter to one of the bands cc to me

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:44:55 EST

I just want you to know what is goin' on. Jim is pissed and I don't blame him. Jarrod is trying to say that bandX has sold 90 tickets. They didn't even HAVE 90 tix. We picked up 30 for them, 30 for jims band the night Mrs. X and I went down. Then her and X were given another 25. Now, I'm no math expert but that doesn't equal 90. Plus, jim's band. has been around longer than bandX. It's not fair or cool for Jarrod to do that. Jim says they'll still play. But he did express that he did thnk of pulling off it. I don't blame him.

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me to promoter

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:54:30 -0800 (PST)

really i/were not pissed i just think jarod is a dick we don't either way we just arn't gonna sell any more tix for jarrod

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promoter to me

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:06:25 -0800 (PST)

Do you think I'm goin' to tell X that you're not selling anymore tix? You're crazy. You might not be pissed, but I am.

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me back to her

Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:15:15 -0800 (PST)

thats your call but i'm not gunna even make an attempt now

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bandB to promoter sent to me

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:31:04 EST

Hey X,

Did you talk to Jarrod or was it Jim? I think this whole thing comes down to jim's band. not being able to bring in any people. I remember Jarrod saying, quite a while ago, that jim's band doesn't draw.

Do you know if Jim sold the 30 tickets for the show? If he didn't... he should buy all of them and tell Jarrod that he sold 'em. I don't know.

talk to ya later,
X

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me to promoter

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:54:59 -0800 (PST)

we don't draw well at jarrods never have mainly cause it's 18+ all ages we do real well 21+ in town we do well at usually and i'm not buying all the tix fuck that i'd rather not play

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jarrod to me

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:34:55 -0500

You are still on the show. I just moved your spot because bandX has sold 85 tickets and now they want more. I think it is fair to move them up a spot to make sure that all thier fans get to see them. Jarrod

ps. Do you still want to play the show ?? Your set time is 9:00pm and is still a good 40 min set

----- Original Message ----- From: "J of " < > To: < > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 7:14 AM Subject: meliah rage 1.31.04 > i was under the impression we were still going to be > on this show? > i see it listed on youe site but norseth has been > given our spot? > > we have tix and have been selling them before the show > was postponed > > j >

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jarrod to me ( i posted on the waaf board for people not to go to the show and that jarrods is gay)

Don't think for a minute that I don't read the boards. You guys are a real pleasure to work with. You have never done good at this venue but, I still gave you dates and went thru it with you guys regardless of your ability to sell tickets and the quailty of your performances. Do you think that I should let you ever play here again?? Jarrod Ilkowitz/ Jarrod's LRV Check this out !! http://www.waaf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1449

ps. CC: Agent.band.and managers

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promoter to jarrod (cc to me )

Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:47:08 EST

I spoke for quite awhile with Eric tonight. Whatever your decision is on the line up is fine. I just don't understand why you would think bandX has sold 90 tickets and why the sudden line up change. That's why I put the confusing face at the end of my board message. It would just be nice if there wasn't any changes on that show.

Just to inform you on some of the promotion I have done for this show. I have sent out new flyers to WHJY, to X He has already mentioned the show on the new Metal Zone as well as Sound Check. I'll have quite a lot of flyers out in area Strawberries(RT9 Shrewsberry&Milford), Hot Topic and HMV Music store in the Marlboro mall. I have sent e-mails to X of WAAF. I have Brian(actually a friend of Jim's) from Profetless Productions coming to the show.

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me to promoter

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 03:51:45 -0800 (PST)

were 95% sure we may pull from meliah rage i'm waiting for one guys responce cause he wasn't at practice yesterday if he say drop it it's dropped

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promoter back to me

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 03:37:22 -0800 (PST)

I really wish you wouldn't, but I can understand why. I'm really sorry for this shit. I know that it shouldn't be me saying it but I know someone else won't.

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my reply to promoter

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 04:27:22 -0800 (PST)

i'm waiting on d's word first but jarrods really gone over the top with me on this, you need not apoligise it's not your fault jarrod dosen't like us never has, my guess is were were in the 3 to last spot in the original show cause we had the waaf xmas show and he was piggy backing the "buzz" we were getting at the time now that were not he has no need to be nice to us

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my reply to jarrod about message board post

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:02:54 -0800 (PST)

was wrong to make that post, but i was sooooooooooooo pissed about losing that time slot on that show you have no idea how mad i was!!! you may notice i removed it we may not sell alot of tix(and the ones i do sell i never put my bands name on cause i think it stupid, but i understand why you do it) we do have a good buzz going on about us cause of us having our song on the mantown dvd (the first week it came out we got 5000 hits to our site)we also have a cd being released from a label in spain we have only played 1 time bad and that was cause we did the ma metal fest at the palladium the nite before and were burnt out from it so you must have us mixed up with another band if you think we have had a bad preformance there we have pretty much played top knotch there every time and our draw has stedily increased every time we play there ---

jarrod wrote: Don't think for a minute that I don't read the boards. You guys are a real pleasure to work with. You have never done good at this venue but, I still gave you dates and went thru it with you guys regardless of your ability to sell tickets and the quailty of your performances. Do you think that I should let you ever play here again?? > Jarrod Ilkowitz/ Jarrod's LRV Check this out !! http://www.waaf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1449 > > ps. CC: Agent.band.and managers >

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me to promoter

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:34:53 -0800 (PST)

i'm not gonna do any promotion till we know whether were actually playing especially since i get the impression were gonna be fucked with from from the staff by the tone of jarrods last e mail if we do, do it

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jarrod to me for not answering " Do you think I should let you keep playing here ??" from a previous e mail

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:31:46 -0500

So, you still haven't answered my question. Do you think I should let you keep playing here ??

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my reply to jarrod

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 08:05:14 -0800 (PST)

listen 2/4ths of my band don't ever want to play there again cause they feel slighted with the whole band order change and 3/4's don't want to do this show now cause of all the bullshit. we work hard we may not sell lots of tix but we do try to sell em and we do tons of promoting for all our shows i personally make 1000 1/4 sheet flyers 500 8.5X11 flyers not to mention i have a 600+ person e mail list of local metal fans. also according to bandX web site they have 30tix still to sell still so where do you get 90 or 85 sold by them from. so to answer you question it's probly not going to matter cause my guess is you are gonna do whatever you want anyway right! i don't want a problem with you i like your club i think it has serious potental i think your staff are cool, sound people are awsome i just don't like the way you do the ticket thing and the payment thing we have played clubs to less folks who have come to see us there and have been paid and i know at one show we did at your place i sold 20 tix (i keep records too) and we had walk ins and didn't see anything for payment did i complain no i wrote it off as a "showcase" and where as we sold a few cd's we were ok with it bottom line if you don't want us at your club thats your choice i'm sorry for all the b.s. drama crap i am sorry for making that post but again i removed it

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promoter to me

Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:37:08 EST

I just talked with X, from 2:30pm 'til about 5 mins ago, about all this. She has no clus what the hell Jarrod is trying to pull. They have not contacted him for MORE tix. She has no clue where he got 85 tix. Unless he can't read his own bookkeeping. BUT, Jarrod has finally e-mail them to find out exactly what they have sold. X did say that the e-mail he sent to you that I got a cc of, was pretty rude. Especially what he said about your playing. She doesn't know what his motive is on this. She's hoping that he's not using bandX as a pon

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jarrod to me

Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:50:18 -0500

You shouldn't have made the post in the first place. How would you like it if I posted on my site your band is gay ??? You are very unprofessional. That isn't how you promote shows. Mail me back the tickets that you have and I guess we part like this. I am also sorry but, I shouldn't have to explain my system to you. This is the way we do it. Other clubs have their ways we have ours. I don't ask for much. 1000 flyers huh ? I didn't see 1 at JArrod's for the last date or this new date. I sent you the first letter asking if you thought it was fair to give them "bandX" a 10:00pm slot because of the amount of tickets they sold and to make sure that thier fans all could get there in time to see them. You never responded then, I got a little tip from a band that respects JArrod's and I checked out your little quote on WAAF's message board. I would have done the same for any other band that worked that hard. They (bandX) were in 3 times to get tix. they sold there first 80 and now they might have 30 more. Your set time wasn't that bad to be taking like a child and writing a poor message like the one you wrote about the venue ( also, telling people pretty much not to go to the show). I still gave you a 9pm slot for 45 min. Please drop off or send out tickets and any money in check or money order to Jarrod's address below within 7 days. a copy will be on file of this letter for any disputes about the tickets.

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my reply to jarrod

Wed, 7 Jan 2004 08:28:03 -0800 (PST)

1. and you shouldn't have switched us

2. be my guest and so are you

3. i know how to promote shows i have been doing it for 15+ years

4. i'm giving em to the promoter as she was the one who picked em up for us and signed for em -

5. i'm heartbroken really . . . .. .. . . . . . . . NOT!

6. ok whatever yea

7. 1000 1/4 and 500 8.5x11 apperantly you wern't at the maiden tribute show and teratism show then cause i was and handed out plenty there

8. keep your lies straight you told me NOT ASKED i still have the e mail

9. again keep your lies straight you said you found it altho i already knew that was a lie

10. you keep changing how many they sold and how many times there were there to get tix you outta write down what you lie about it make it more belivable when you are consistent

11. we wanted our original spot where we were originally (i was told you didn't want us on the show in the first place when it was being booked)

12. again i am giving the tix to the promoter on sat you will get em on the 31st when she shows up at the show i'm not mailing em to you cause you arn't worth the postage or the time i have wasted enough of my time and effort with you and your club and for what to be kicked off the show - my dispute would be not being copensated for the work i already did promoting the show

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I would appreciate you guys not talking shit about my venue any longer. I have not responded to your rude remarks because at first I thought it was funny. Now, it is just plain rude. I have never talked shit about you guys and I think it is time you stoped your slander. If I see one more negative remark on the web you will have a war you cannot win. I have the best attorney in the state of Mass and he will make it very hard for you to do business any where. Peace, Jarrod Ilkowitz/ Jarrod's Live Rock Venue ps. I tried to help you guys out and this is plain BS

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From: "J of BANE OF EXISTENCE" < dismalbio@yahoo.com >

To: < jarrod

> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:26 PM

Subject: Re: new BANE OF EXISTENCE shows >

you know you make it seem as tho i am the only person who has said somthing negitive about your club and this isn't even close to true cause i have seen plenty of shit that i never even started. take what BAND X'S bassist said the day after the prong show on baystate rock belive me it wasn't pretty so what now your gonna ban them?.?.?.?.?.?.?.?. i thought not! what you pulled with my band on that meliah rage show was sleazy maybe if you apologize to me for screwing me over on that show i could find it in my heart to stop this shit. sound like a deal to you

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not really.This shit goes on way before the Meliah Rage show. How about all day event that you and the bands you booked broke up my dressing room. I haven't said shit about you guys to anyone but, I have so many people telling me to ban you from my site for your remarks and bands telling me that you guys hit me hard all the time on WAAF's page, which I don't care to see. You guys have got nothing but, respect at this club. You guys got all pissy about a time slot change. I offered you a choice and you never defended it. If you had anything good to say about the venue you would have said it and you didn't so, as far as I and many are concerned your band is nothing but (trash). As far as All That Remains is concerned if they had anything bad to say then they should have said it to me. If they are pissed maybe they should have dealt with thier agent on it. I don't make up these tours. I just pay for them. Later, Peace

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From: "J of BANE OF EXISTENCE" < dismalbio@yahoo.com >

To: < jarrod

> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: Re: new BANE OF EXISTENCE shows

first off sparky i never EVER booked an all day show if you a refering to the autism benifit I/WE never booked that that was somone else that booked it in a nother band we ONLY WERE ASKED TO PLAY IT second we never used that room ever i had been in it once while there was a disscussion as to the actual line up of the said benifit but me or my band ever trashed it altho i admit to putting up a coupla stickers third i have it on good athority that you have told a few people not to book my band when the meliah rage show was being book (keep in mind i still have all the > e mails reguarding that said show) the only reason i promote my band on your site is cause YOU TOLD ME I DON'T PROMOTE MY BAND hence my showing you that i do you told me what you were gonna do on that line up change for the meliah show you didn't ask me would you like to see the e mail you sent me i still have it keep your lies straight or better yet stop lieing what ever man your right thats their business i was just pointing out that i am not the only person to have issues with you and your club i saw the shit you said on the baystate rock board you> may wanna edit that shit about the dressing room cause it's no true it one thing for some one to say somthing or somone sucks thats called an OPINION to say some one did somthing they didn't do thats called SLANDER and i can sue you for that according to my lawer who i talked to this morning you my wanna just hit that edit > button on there and fix that

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have your attorney call me then.508-222-8878 I have no problem talking to him. I have enough notes to back myself up. You have nothing. I have quoted only statements by you and I was asked to by friends of yours,customers, My staff and other bands. Don't think that I haven't been watching your little vendetta cause I have. I just felt that I would allow it untill I had enough to hand it over to my lawyer. I have a real lawyer and plenty of witnesses. Talk Talk Talk that is all you have done about me and the venue for over a year. Very inspired by all of it. Hey, Jarrod's has had more views on your topic than anything else on that site. I think it's great. Keep up the good work. Peace

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From: "J of BANE OF EXISTENCE" < dismalbio@yahoo.com >

To: < jarrod

Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: new BANE OF EXISTENCE shows

let just both of us just cut the crap > > we were both wrong > > you for changing our slot and me for getting mad about > it

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Sounds good to me. Thank you for being a true patron. Talk soon, Jarrod

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SHIT HE WAS POSTING ON BAY STATE ROCK ABOUT ME AND MY BAND

http://baystaterock.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11498&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=c97b6d18d73b0f527d75fd590732ae84

http://baystaterock.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11112&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=c97b6d18d73b0f527d75fd590732ae84

you be the judge the the bulk of it there were a few other pointless e mails but this is the majority of the mess here and if you think that shit was bad have a look at how he pays the bands from his tickets

payscale

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