You were born on July 1, which according to The Book of Birthdays
is "The Day of Emancipation." Care to discuss?
"I used to be really shy and modest. Then I started working out heavily
because I thought if I competed in a bodybuilding championship
maybe I'd get over my shyness. I always thought there was a barrier
for me to cross, to be myself. And when I did PLAYBOY the first time,
that was it. lt was just like playing a character, and it felt good
to do that instead of hiding."
Do you remember the first time you saw PLAYBOY?
"I saw an old one of Dad's and thought it was beautiful.
Then I had a boyfriend who was a photographer and he had a bunch of them.
When someone came up to me and said I should be in PLAYBoy he said,
"Absolutely not." And I said, "That's kind of weird.
You think they're so great but I'm not allowed to be in one?"
What was your favorite shoot for PLAYBOY?
"The one I did in St.-Tropez in 1994. I was single. lt was totally me,
free and having fun. In my Bardot mood. Every one I've done since
I've felt a little guilt. I even did one shoot when I was married
that Hef decided not to run because he said I looked unhappy.
We have a great relationship. He's like a dad to me."
I hear you almost got busted doing your 1992 PLAYBOY shoot.
"We were shooting on Route 66 in Arizona and the police were going to arrest
me for indecent exposure. I had on a sheer dress and I think one nipple
was sticking out. I said, "You can't arrest tue for a nipple."
But a female officer read tue my rights and took tue to the station.
I had to write a letter of apology to this Baptist minister
who was living on the road where we were shooting."
Have you ever been to a strip club?
"Lots. The guys I go with always think I'll feel uncomfortable,
but they end up getting mad because I get to go backstage and hang out
with the girls and I'm the one who gets the lap dances.
There was one girl who said, "My stage name is Pamela because
everyone says I look like you and I'm so flattered"
while she's rubbing her boobs in my face. And I was giving her tips:
"Well, if you're going to be me, you have to part your hair to the other side
and cut your bangs."
Did you ever imagine that you would become an international sex symbol?
"No way. That was so unlike me. I was so not vain. If my hair got in the way,
I'd cut it off. I never wore makeup. It's funny that I now do what I do.
I'm a drag queen. I love playing dress-up."
Do you remember the first boy who paid attention to you?
"I had two boyfriends, Matthew and Kenny, when I was five.
I used to kiss Matthew, and that would make Kenny punch him.
Then I'd kiss Kenny so they'd fight again."
"When was your first serious kiss?
In fifth grade. I hated it and wondered what everyone was talking about,
because this guy jammed his tongue so far down my throat.
I avoided kissing people for a long time after that."
What happened when you looked in the mirror and realized
you were becoming a woman?
"I went completely nuts as soon as started getting hips and curves.
Even though I was shy, I was wearing dresses and going out with a bunch
of different guys. But I didn't get my period until I was 18.
I was always athletic. I was on four volleyball teams. I was a setter,
because I'm a midget. Thank God I didn't play field hockey,
because my girlfriends who did have banged-up shins and no teeth."
Have you ever had a woman come on to you?
"Oh, yeah. They're worse than men. I've had friends grab my leg and say,
"I know you want me as much as 1 want you."
There have been all sorts of opportunities to experiment, but I've never
really had the desire. I'd sit around with a bunch of girlfriends
telling stories and I'd always be like, "Wow, that's really cool."
And then they'd come on to me and say, "Pamela, you totally led me on."
But just because I listen doesn't mean I want to partake.
I think women's bodies are really beautiful, but I prefer men's bodies.
[Laughs] Penetration is good."
So if a guy really wants to impress you, what should he do?
"Besides penetration? it's the little things.
A lot of men define themselves by the car they drive.
I drive a Tahoe. A family vehicle. It says I'm a mom."
Which would you prefer: flowers or candy?
"Both: Roses and organic chocolate."
Tight jeans or Dockers?
"Dockers. Not too baggy, though. I'm not into the supertight-jeans thing.
You can't tell much from that anyway. The guy might just have big balls.
All potatoes and no meat."
Taller or shorter than you?
"Taller, but not too much. You fit together better, standing up and lying down.
It's more cuddly."
Older or younger?
"In spirit or in years? Kelly is younger than me, but he's much older
in his soul than a lot of people who are older than me."
White collar or blue collar?
"Blue. I'm not into executive types. I don't want to be with anyone
for financial reasons. I have my own money. I prefer to be with someone
who can look after himself, though. I have enough people to look after."
Muscles or lean?
"I don't like really big guys, but a little muscle is good."
Hairy or smooth?
"Smooth. I don't mind a little stubble on the chin.
That works on different parts of the body. It's a good exfoliant."
Sweaty or showered?
"I like taking lots of showers and baths. And he has to be there with me.
It's a group effort: saving water."
Boxers or briefs?
"The kind that are in between, the long brief I wear those all the time.
I wear briefs, too, butjust around the house."
Have you ever made a man wear your underwear?
"Oh yeah. And bikinis and dresses. I just say, "Put this on and I'll
take pic- tures." It shows he has a sense of humor, which is sexy.
I'd have to stop Tommy from going down to the card tables in Vegas
in my dresses. They were a little too short for him, if you know what I mean."
What can men do to make their bedrooms more appealing to women?
"Candles. That's an easy one. Good sheets. My favorites are by Shabby Chic;
they're soft like T-shirts."
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