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"Separation?" of Church and State?

Rumor has it that it was Jefferson who concocted the weird euphemism of a "wall of separation between church and state" to assure Baptists that he would neither confiscate their Bibles (as maliciously suggested by one of his political opponents) nor force the Congregationist denomination on and against them using the power of government.

Actually, there certainly will not be (during the upcoming rod-and-iron millennial theocracy of Jesus Christ after the beast and false prophet wreak 42 months of tribulation) nor is there now, nor has there ever been, any "wall" of "separation" between either state and church nor church and state - even though church buildings have [physical] walls.

There has been and is, however, a distinction made between sectarian religious denominations and the government.....as was the case during the time of Christ subject to Roman law and Roman law subject to Christ.

To [wrongly] presume (not "assume") that there is some kind of ideological "wall" or "separation" would mean that government cannot communicate with nor affect nor interact with sectarian religious-denomination churches nor churches communicate with nor affect nor interact with state government.

Both church and state have their separate but related functions, as specified in such Scripture as the opening verses of Romans chapter 13 of the New Testament, putting designated will-of-God responsibilities upon both. Rather than alienated "separation," both government and churches cooperate and/or should cooperate for the well-being of the general public. There should be no hostility between the two, nor any godless discrimination against each other.

Indeed, rather than the questionably-euphemistic non-constitutional words of "wall of separation between church and state," the U.S. Constitution states that 'Congress shall make no law establishing religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise of religion.' In view of the extensive influence of pilgrim-pioneer puritan Christianity in the history of America up to and including now, that Establishment/Non-Prohibition clause of the First Amendment is properly interpreted to mean:

Congress (and other agencies and personnel of the United States Government) shall make no law establishing anti-Christian religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise of TRUE Christian religion.

What is TRUE Christian religion is determined by the best of the traditionally-accepted KJV, RSV, NASV, and other English-language Holy Bibles, and especially the 66-book ben Asher Masoretic Hebrew Text of the Old Testament plus the Scrivener Trinitarian Greek Text of the New Testament.

Pertaining to the buzzword phrase separation of church and state, why not instead call it separation of church from state, separation of state and church, separation of state from church?

In fact, why doesn't the buzzword phrase rather read separation of religion from state, separation of temple from state, separation of mosque from state, separation of synagogue from state, separation of cathedral from state? WHY church? Why not religion?

And why is the word state used? Why not instead the word government? And WHO has the authority to separate the Christian religion from government? God the Almighty Creator in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ? DOES He want the two separated? CAN they BE separated? WHY would godless secularists WANT Christianity separated from government, or government separated from Christianity? Does it MATTER WHAT godless secularists want - especially if that is in opposition to what the Lord wants? Are wicked humans CAPABLE of suppressing the truth (according to Romans 1:18)? Are they able to quench the Spirit (First Thessalonians 5:19)?

Does GOVERNMENT in general want church, Christianity, Christians, the Bible, and Christian morality or faith separated from government? Is government ever even involved with Christianity, Christians, the Bible, Biblical doctrine, and so on? Is not the Constitution of the United States ALREADY involved with the First Amendment NON-ESTABLISHMENT clause plus the NON-PROHIBITION clause, where it states that Congress shall make no law establishing religion, NOR prohibiting [the free exercise of] religion? (Incidently, the preceding First-Amendment clauses are frequently MIS-called the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause -- both semantically incorrect).

Of course, the anti-Christ, anti-Christian, anti-Scripture rebellious and defiant will continue on in their insane, senseless, socially-harmful push to shove their subversive 'government-is-god' disdain and harassment down people's throats with their demented 'We Have No King But Caesar' heresy and blasphemy. Such filth will stink on to everyone's dismay and demise until the LORD Himself on Judgment Day separates wicked 'goats' from righteous 'sheep' in His perfect Divine action of separating not government from Christianity but the damned from the blessed - eternally in which 'state' the former will burn in endless torture in the fiery outer darkness while the latter shine in everlasting bliss with the Light of Heaven.

Concerning (not regarding nor pertaiing to) the SO-CALLED 'separation of church and state,' anti-religious antagonists incessantly harp on their pet-hangup verse:

'Render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God.'

And WHAT does the phrase above: what belongs to God include?.....the God who created, owns, and operates planet Earth and all contents and possession thereon and therein?

What has been government's DELIBERATE involvement with Christ and Christians historically?

Caesar's (i.e. Government's) federal official (a Roman centurion) asked worthy Jews to convey a message to Jesus to heal the centurion's slave. The Jews highly credentialed the centurion to Jesus. Thus, the government asked Jesus to simply say the word of His authority to heal the slave....no need for Jesus to physically go to the residence to heal him (as recorded in Luke 7:1-10). No separation of church and state there!

What was Tiberius Caesar's (i.e. government's) reaction to Jesus and His Christianity and His Christians?
Why crucify Him? What evil has he done?" (Mark 15:14)
I find in Paul...nothing deserving death or imprisonment." (Claudius Lysias to Governor Felix as recorded in Acts 23:23-24:7 in the KJV)
[Governor Festus and King Agrippa] said: 'Paul is doing nothing to deserve death or imprisonment.' (Acts 26:31-32)
Paul (in Acts 28:17-19) said of himself: Though I had done nothing wrong against the people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans. When they had examined me, they wished to set me at liberty, because there was no reason for the death penalty in my case. But when the jews objected, I was compelled to appeal to Caesar, though I had no charge to bring against my nation.

It is no wonder that a subsequent Caesar was finally so harassed, disturbed, and fed up by envious jewish trouble-causers that the Roman army sacked Jerusalem and associated anti-Christian jewish vermin therein around 70 A.D., burned the city, and did not leave one stone upon another (as Jesus had prophesied). Not only had the jews besieged themselves and Roman law enforcement by demanding that the jewish murderer and insurrectionist Barabbas be let loose to wreak more havoc against both Jews and Romans, but the prediction of Jesus to the weeping daughters of Jerusalem to weep for themselves and for their children (Luke 23:27-31) had and will yet have prophetic implications far beyond 70 A.D. which historically has now included the Nazi 'holocaust' during the 1930s and 40s during which the German church was understandably silent under the charismatic leadership of a Hitler who rightly incarcerated both pink-triangled homosexuals and virulently anti-Christian Jesus-as-Messiah-rejecting jews. Like the complaining, faithless, disobedient, idolatrous jews who crossed the opened Red Sea and wandered about in the wilderness for 40 years and who God repeatedly provided for but who He ultimately overthrew in the desert and let their children into the Promised Land instead (unlike the faithful Christ who was in the desert for 40 days and forty nights), such were many of the six million cremated at Auschwitz, Dachau, Buchenwald, etc.

The Old-Testament book of Daniel and New-Testament book of Revelation portray even worse against what John called the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews but are not (Rev. 2:9 and Rev. 3:9) whom Jesus accused of having the Devil as their Father who was a murderer and liar from the beginning, with no truth in him (John 8:44).

Not all Jews were nor are like that. Albert Einstein and others humbled themselves to take refuge in a partially-Christian America, and as a result God gave Einstein the honor of not only contributing to the theory of nuclear fission but doing his part to save a million or more GI lives ready to be annihilated by kamakaze crazies in a mainland invasion against Japan during the 40s. It is to such Jews the oracles of God are entrusted to, who are beloved for the sake of their forefathers (John 4:22, Romans 9:4, 11:28-29) being "salvation is of the Jews."

Clearly, both governments of Japan and Germany during the 40s had limitations as to zionistic and Christian religious expression (i.e. support of the existence of Israel) as was the case under atheistic Russian communism and is the case now in predominantly islamic hardliner countries.

Still, Christians are commanded by God to not separate themselves from government nor governmental authority:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, because there is no authority except from God, and those who exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. Rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would have have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, because he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to perform His wrath on the evildoer. Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For the same reason you also pay taxes, because the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.


In the case of Saddam Hussein, uttering overly-broad threats of "Great Satan" against America and especially Israel, law and order was maintained and brutal repression done against rival islamic factions and individuals who were treasonous and anarchal against the Baathist regime. And 9112001-scapegoat-minded warmongers with their summertime-immodest inferior gender invaded and decimated a soverign country of decently-dressed moslem women adorned with headshawls and long robes.... even though Saddam never trespassed into Israeli terrority (to my knowledge) and certainly not into the continental United States (I assume).

But thank God (and to hell with you damned atheists!) we have had and yet have significant precious liberty of free expression under the regime or reign of George Bush and the Republicans. [Such was not the case under the religious repression of King George in England from whom the pilgrim-pioneer puritans fled to the New World of America].

Though not perfect, I could think of suppressive infestations within America who would not sign Anti-Partial-Birth-Abortion bills, nor twice request the addition of a heterosexual-marriage-only amendment to the Constitution against homosexuals and their pairing-license perversity who demonically discriminate against democracy of The God In Whom We Trust.

Throughout history and particularly BIBLICAL history, there are numerous accounts of the church/religion/Christianity/Christians/saints/Scripture NOT being separated from state, government, or whatever you want to call it, such as:

1. Pre-Worldwide-Flood wicked governments on earth vs. Noah and Associates in the Ark.
2. Joseph made Vice-Presidential governmental ruler by Pharoah, and Joseph's family given choice titled government land.
3. Moses being adopted, brought up, and royally educated by the separation-of-church-and-state-oblivious Egyptian Prime Minister of Egypt's daughter.
4. Moses and Aaron interacting with a disbelieving and hardhearted Government of Egypt under the next Pharoah.
5. The Egyptian-Government Army intending to attack the Israelites at the Red Sea.
6. The wicked governments and their armies of Canaan attacking Joshua and Co. like half-naked idolatrous-spiritist savage indians attacking peaceful HOLY-BIBLE-in-public-schools white settlers finding no fences, county-courthouse title parcelings, county-sheriff-enforced lot divisions nor zoning ordinances as they advanced westward across America during the 18th and 19th centuries.
7. Ehud interacting against the tyrannical Moabite government ignoring the separation of church and state.
8. Gideon not engaging in church/state separation and then engaging in church/state separation against the Government of Midian.
9. David being commissioned by the Government of Israel under King Saul, while Saul insanely attempting to assassinate David, not participating in the separation of church and state.
10. The government of Philistia, represented by Goliath, not engaging in church/state separation against David, and David not engaging yet engaging in church/state separation against the Government of Philistia via Goliath.
11. Elijah not at all concerned with church/state separation by confronting the corrupt Israeli government under King Ahab.
12. The Assyrian Government never minding church/state separation against Hezekiah and his government of Israel.
13. Nebuchadnezzar, king of the Government of Babylon, not doing church/state separation against Zedekiah and the Israeli Government.
14. Esther not participating in church/state separation by becoming Jewish Queen to the merry-but-never-actually-drunken President of the Government of Persia (i.e. Ahasuerus).
15. Daniel and his three friends not involved with church/state separation by being appointed chief prefects in the Government of Babylon (under Nebuchadnezzar), then Daniel officially promoted to high government office and authority within the Government of Media (under Darius) plus the Government of Persia (under Cyrus).
16. Evil King Herod, tetrach of Galilee, not avoiding church/state separation by asking the Wise Guys were the Christ-child King was.
17. A Roman-Government centurion not doing church/state separation by asking Jesus to heal his slave...and Jesus complying and thus Himself not committing church/state separation.
18. Jews not even thinking about church/state separation by asking the Government of Rome to publicly lynch, torture, and murder Jesus in a most humiliating and painful way.
19. Roman Governor Pilate absolutely not involved in church/state separation by giving envious disbelieving jews permission to pseudo-"legally" commit manslaughter homicide against Jesus by bloody and brutal crucifixion.
20. Paul is rescued by the Roman Government under Claudius Lysias (in which case both guys certainly were not into separation of church and state), after which Paul interacts with the Governor Felix (ditto), Governor Festus (ditto), King Agrippa (ditto) [and the book of Acts does NOT end insinuating that Paul was beheaded or Peter crucified upside-down in opposition to cultic-catholic, gory/sensational, superstitious-heresay, nowhere-found- in-the-Bible legend].

In NONE of the cases mentioned above was their even the SLIGHTEST attempt to separate church from state, state from church, etc.

It is really no wonder. God the Creator does NOT separate His churchiness from any state nor government, being that He - the rightful Owner and Operator of everything on Earth - is in charge of everything that happens and doesn't happen on HIS planet Earth. Anyone who does not accomodate to Him and His existent phenomena of nature is rightfully, understandably, and thankfully destroyed [sooner or later] -- and frequently quite painfully.