The Litany of Dr. Jekyll v. Mr. Hyde

1998 Motor City Bowl

(MAC) Marshall 48, (C-USA) Louisville 29

Those of us who at first politely, and then more adamantly, asked MeccaCards to leave the MAC boards and return to his own conference, could not help but wonder why a purported C-USA school alumnus would spend his free time cursing, insulting and at (very rare) times attempting to befriend MAC fans. These posts were not altered, nor were they corrected for spelling and grammatical errors, which are numerous.

Hold them under 30? tee,hee,hee. In the first half, maybe.

Prediction:

LOUISVILLE 56 whoever wins the mac 35

Chris Redman throws for 450 yards and 4 TDs and Leroy Collins runs for 150 yards and 2 TD's. Good luck to Marshall and Toledo in Friday's game. I hope no injuries are suffered and that whichever team that wins comes at full strength. No excuses!

(Redman throws for 450 yards!?!)

JeffRing, I understand that you are lacking in some of the facts with regards to Louisville's team and season so I'll cut you a little slack. Having said that Louisville's awful defense held Tulane's incredibly high-octane offense to 28 points in the Dome. Likewise, Louisville has posted its offensive numbers against many teams that compare favorably with Marshall or Toledo, ie Southern Miss, uk, Tulane, East Carolina and Utah.

But just curious, what offense has Marshall or Toledo faced that comes close to Louisville's offense. We put our second string QB in and he threw for 370 yards. This offense is potent and your rep better be ready for a shootout.

The goal for Louisville will be to pound whatever mac team gets ther so that it receives some poll consideration and a boost for next season so that we can upgrade from this lower tier bowl. The mac's goal better be to not get embarassed, lest they lose their only bowl tie-in.

PS Toledo faced Ohio State. Or do you think Louisville has a more potent offense?

Thundering Herd, I lived in Charleston, WV for 4 years and attended many Herd games so I know quite a bit about your porgram and your conference. Now how much do you know about Louisville's program? I'd bet my house that I know three times more about your program than you or your Herd fans know about mine. Maybe you guys should do some research into Louisville's program before posting inane stuff about running up the score. The only way you will run it up is if you score 70 because I look for Louisville to post at least 50 and maybe 60 points.

Jeff yes I do think Louisville has a more potent offense than Ohio State. Defense? Yeah right! Offense? Absolutely. Any other questions.

(No sir, no other questions whatsoever!)

MULew I came over here to discuss the upcoming bowl game with, what I thought would be intelligent, knowledgeable fans. What I have found (for the most part) is a bunch of freaking idiots, who know zero about college football. Coach Pruett and others, please tell me how many Louisville games have you watched this season? FYI, I watched three Marshall gamesand 1 Toledo game and was impressed with the overall quality of your teams, although Marshall is far superior to Toledo in my opinion. But that doesn't change the fact that you have not experienced anything close to Louisville's offense. Also, to the individual who stated that the teams in the MAC "have forgotten more about football than Louisville will ever know" PUHHH-LEASE MORON!

Humor me a little bit since I'm an uneducated Louisville fan. I would name our all-time greatest players as follows:

1. Johnny Unitas

2. Mark Clayton

3. Tom Jackson

4. Lenny Lyles

5. Joe Jacoby

6. Bruce Armstrong

7. Otis Wilson

8. Frank Minnifield

9. Ted Washington

10. Joe Johnson

IDIOT NOTE: IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF THESE PLAYERS, YOU KNOW LESS THAN ZERO ABOUT COLLEGE and pro FOOTBALL.

BTW, the University of Louisville has 15 players CURRENTLY playing in the NFL. How many does Marshall have? How many has Marshall had in its G-D history? Wow its tough debating with such educated fans!!!! LOL!

To the idiot known as "Park Bench" (Yes I recognize that your moniker stands for where you sleep every night you freakin bum) by all means point us to the post where I stated that Louisville would blow out uk. Guess what moron, you aren't going to find it because its not there.

Jeff Ring, do you have one player to add to your list of coach's who were defensive line coaches/special teams/wide receivers coaches at Miami and used that "glorious bastion of college football" as merely a stepping stone to bigger and better programs. BTW, Knute Rockne and Bear Bryant both took a dump at Louisville's practice facility. Wooooopppiiiieeee, we've got great tradition. Come on imbecile list some players. Name the current Miami players in the pros. Do you have any?

Coach Pruett, Louisville will win over either Marshall or Toledo because they have improved consistently throughout the year. If the only game you saw was the uk game, I understand why you have such a low opinion. Of course if the only game of Marshall's I saw was the Bowling Green game (I didn't see it but saw three other games) I would suspect that Louisville would win by 5 or 6 TD's. In any event, Louisville has improved in every facet of the game. The Army statistics which were quoted earlier are incredibly deceiving as most of them came after Louisville was up by 3 TD's. In fact in the first quarter of that game, Louisville held Army to 42 yards of total offense and was winning 21-0 with our back-up QB. Now granted Army isn't Florida but nonetheless they do have a potent ground attack which was shown against many teams including Notre Dame in South Bend (I was at that game also). Also, Louisville's defense has improved by leaps and bounds especially the past defense and coverage, which I think will be a big key against Marshall or Toledo. So there you have it. Finally, Coach Smith's pre-season and off-season conditioning program has these guys in great shape. We have not been hurt (other than Redman's knee) by late season injuries and have gotten stronger as the year has gone on. Likewise, in the games I've seen (9 of 11) Louisville gets stronger and has more stamina in the 4th quarter. With the shootout that we will have with either team, this may be the most important factor.

MURedskin, I reviewed my post and don't see where I even addressed you but I'll gladly respond to your "intelligently compilated post"

"My school didn't enlist one of footballs dirtiest coaches to pull their team back from the brink of extinction. Why don't you have Schnellenberger on your list?"

First, he wasn't listed by me because he didn't play at Louisville and if you review my list it contains players which are the real mark of a quality program (not coaches who spend a year or two coaching linebackers before going to a real program). Secondly, what planet are you from to come up with this "dirtiest coach junk." Please present some evidence to support this assertion, oh brilliant one. Otherwise, shut your ignorant trap because you have no clue what you are talking about. BTW, for the mentally challenged in the crowd (ie listen up MURedskin), Schnellenberger left Miami in 1984 and was replaced by Jimmy Johnson, who of course was replaced by Dennis Erickson. Any and all NCAA penalties by Miami were found to have taken place from 1988 to 1993 several years after Coach Schnellenberger had left Miami of Florida, ie the real Miami.

"Miami is called the Cradle of Coaches"

That's right because coaches "cut their teeth" at Miami and move on to real programs. The last time I checked football programs are judged by their accomplishments on the field and the great players that come through the program and go on to pro careers, not by the number of coaches who stopped there for 20 minutes to relieve themselves and then went on to bigger and better things. The next thing you know, you'll be telling us how Tulsa is hotbed of college basketball tradition because Tubby Smith and Nolan Richardson "used" to coach there.

Interesting that you list a number of coaches who passed through Miami and yet on every one their great accomplishments and contribution to the game of football has ABSOLUTELY ZERO TO DO WITH MIAMI!!!!

Oh no, you're right, just the other day one of the announcers for the Ohio St-Michigan game mentioned Bo and Woody and then said "But his real claim to fame was that he coached at Miami. you know the 10-1 team that is getting snubbed by all bowls despite that great tradition. Heck, its the "Cradle of Coaches" didn't you know?" You got me MURedskin. BTW, Joe Paterno drove through Morehead, Ky. one time so woooopiiieee Morehead State has great football tradition.

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Jeff, your "holier than thou" baloney is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard in my life. Chris Redman will graduate this May with a degree in Economics and pursue his MBA next year while playing, Rick Nord got his degree last season and is pursuing his MPA (Masters of Public Administration you idiot) as we speak. I could provide a laundry list to you because your assassinations on the character of Louisville's players is a crock of sh!!. Show me some statistics to support your blanket statement about these student-athletes and the University of Louisville. Yeah, the MAC players all want an education? Randy Moss was a bookworm wasn't he.

"Those talented coaches combined to win 13 Mid-American Conference titles, more than any other school."

Oh we're back to the MAC again huh. That fantastic league that can only get one team in the bowls and which ranks several spots below that pathetic CUSA.

Oooooh, the Tangerine Bowls. Lord have mercy Nixon was in office. What have you done in the past ten years? 15 years? List me all your great NFL players. Come on. Who do you have in the pros right now? Anybody?

"During one 14-year span, three of the greatest coaches of all time -- Woody Hayes, Ara Parseghian and Bo Schembechler -- blew the whistle for the Redskins."

Lord have mercy, now he's going back to the 1950's. BTW, we put a man on the moon. President Kennedy (yes he was elected) got shot while in office, and his brother Bobby (I know he was only 10 when Miami of Ohio was good in football) got shot also. You'd be amazed at what has happened over the past 20 years since Miami was good.

"All of these men got thier love of the game in Oxford. It is likely that they made their decisions to make a career out of football while at Miami. Do you honestly think that sort of thing is going to happen at Louisville?"

Yes absolutely. It already has happened and is happening. There's a guy named Marriuchi (sp.) coaching these guys named the Forty Niners who coached at Louisville, not to mention Sherman Lewis, who coaches for these Packer guys. Both of them coached at Louisville and "got their love of the game from Louisville." Any other questions.

"How many of those kids even graduate, you never did tell us... "

You never did ask, but as I outlined above many of them do. I'll try to fetch the stats for you since you don't care about good football, but only about graduating. (very admirable by the way, but why don't you just cheer for Columbia. Their student-athletes crush Miami's). Also, give us the stats for Miami's players graduating since you don't have anyone playing in the pros, this will at least give us something to discuss.

"It takes dedication and commitment for greatness."

Yes which explains why you can't list me any NFL greats from Miami which must mean that they WERE NOT DEDICATED TO GREATNESS! Johnny U, Mark Clayton, Joe Jacoby, et al, that's dedication to greatness. If you ever get a clue, you'll recognize that your statement only further supports Louisville. Thanks genius!

"Players in C-USA are dedicated to money, and conviction means an entirely different thing to those kids."

On what basis do you make this statement? You have no clue what you are talking about.

Players in the MAC only care about two things, money and drugs. They're all addicted to so much crack they see three balls coming at them on the football field. They also live constant lives of crime and are probably guilty of two or three brutal murders before they get out of those MAC schools. IDIOT NOTE: THE PRECEDING WAS MADE WITH TONGUE FIRMLY IN CHEEK IN AN EFFORT TO DEMONSTRATE TO JEFFRING WHAT AN ABSOLUTE AND COMPLETE IMBECILE HE IS WHEN MAKING THESE KINDS OF STATEMENTS!

"I'll take that any day over sending some corrupt kids to the NFL"

Where's your proof of any of this crap your spouting off. If you have evidence of what your spewing than send it to the

What's the matter with the MAC? Don't they realize that they have the "Cradle of Coaches" in their conference. Surely they should exploit this hotbed of football. Also, don't they realize that Tom Landry once ate breakfast at a Waffle House in Athens, Ohio, thus making Ohio U one of the true great meccas of college football. Just ask, Jeff Ring, he'll tell you all about it. In 1943, Tom Landry was 9 years old and his family stopped and ate at a Waffle House (they were much cleaner back then). Tom had the pancakes and grits, which means that those grits are the greatest grits ever, that Waffle House is the greatest Waffle House ever and Ohio U in Athens, Ohio is a football mecca. Come on Jeff, tell them all about it, and tell them the one about Bill Walsh getting his diaper changed in 1934 in Oxford, Ohio, thus making Miami of Ohio a hotbed of college football.

MURedskin, you wouldn't know what class was if it came up and hit you in the face. You're clueless! Let's examine a few more of your inane comments:

"I don't know everything about the game"

Well you got one thing right.

"but I do know that if you keep running your mouth like that it's going to come back to haunt you."

Well maybe you should shut your trap then. BTW, bozo you started this smak talk with me. I wasn't even aware of your pathetic little existence until you started talking smak to me. Next time maybe you'll think twice before exposing yourself as such an idiot.

"Go ahead, you think Louisville is above playing a MAC team?"

Please Einstein, educate us. Show me where I said that Louisville was "above playing a MAC team." Fact is that all I have done is present facts, ie actual great players in the pros (something Miami apparently lacks) re Louisville and its program in response to many uneducated posts regarding the program.

"Spout all you want and call me and the rest of the people here idiots, fools and morons."

Wohhhh, I didn't call everyone here an idiot, moron and fool, just you and a few others so get it straight. For example, MULew seems to be a fairly intelligent, knowledgeable fan. You, on the other hand, have done nothing to lead me to believe that you are intelligent or knowledgeable.

"I still graduated from a better school and I have some class."

Care to make a friendly wager on that. First of all, you have NO CLASS!!!! Secondly, I'll put my degrees (all three of them idiot!) up against yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Fact is, you know nothing about me, so your arrogant post only demonstrates your prententiousness and obviously not your intellect (or then again maybe it does demonstrate your intellect, or lack thereof).

"My school has a tradition in football that I'm proud of."

And so does mine, in addition to being able to produce on the field over the past 10 or 15 years. The fact that you aren't knowledgeable enough to recognize that and do not know anything about Louisville's football program or its tradition doesn't change my love for my football program and its tradition.

" You'll say I'm living in the past, and what does that matter today. I pitty you for that, your sense of history is non-existent."

No, I certainly respect the people who have been associated with Miami but its because of THOSE PEOPLE AND NOT BECAUSE OF THEY SPENT THIRTY SECONDS IN OXFORD.

"BTW the root of the problems at Miami of Coral Gables Fla. start with Schnellenberger, Johnson and Erikson just continued that fine "tradition" of conviction."

Once again, where's your facts. do you have any evidence to support this statement? No? The NCAA disagrees with you. Does that change your feeble little mind?

"And I seem to recall the Schnellenberger was asked to leave, I don't recall why though. And there in lies another question. How does a coach go from a program like that to Louisville?"

No, he wasn't actually but I'm not surprised that you miss the boat on this one to. Actually, you're probably not aware that Schnellenberger is a native of Louisville and played high school ball at Flaget HS with a guy named Hornung (I'm sure you haven't heard of him since he never ate at the Oxford Steak N' Shake). He had talked during his entire coaching career (which probably unknown to you included coaching at Alabama, Baltimore Colts and Miami Dolphins, oh yeah that team that went undefeated) about returning to Louisville to coach the University even when it was down in the early 80's.

"And you obviously aren't mature enough to admit when someone actually has a point."

And you are? No, you definitely aren't worth my time. I came to these boards because I expected to find some knowledgeable fans with some class. You have displayed neither.

BTW, Johnny Unitas attends every Louisville game and has a home in Louisville. He could live in any town and attend games for the countless programs and teams that he has touched, but he chose Louisville.

Which tome to deal with first:

Jeff Ring you present a statement by me where I state ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Louisville "being above playing a MAC team" in support of your accusation that I made such statement. Please re-read my statement and think before you post such idiotic, il-logical arguments. The only thing I said is that "Louisville's goal is to pound whatever MAC team gets there so it won't have to end up in this low-tier bowl again. Where is the word MAC in there genius?

"I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, because hey, how were you to keep track of which account you were posting under at the time?"

I only post under one account and could care less if you believe that or not. If you have to rely upon "you post under two name arguments" then you're obviously losing the argument.

Jeff, you wonder why I have such a low opinion of Miami, yet you keep reinforcing it every day. You have yet to be right on any point, yet like some 3 year old, you must continue crying that you're right. You're simply a bitter, idiotic fan, who is upset that his beloved program gets absolutely ZERO (oh, but Weeb loves us) respect on the national football stage. Sorry take your sorry pathetic @$$ crap out on somebody else, loser.

Park Bench, tsk, tsk, tsk, say something intelligent and I'll be glad to respond. BTW, who do you root for? Johnny U attends every game eventhough he could be at the countless number of teams, programs and stadiums that he has had an impact on. Your moronic statements won't change that. Sorry.

MURedskin93 states:

"I'm just trying to have a CIVIL conversation and enjoy the companionship of other with similar interests."

I love it. The guy comes on here and rips me for half a page (when I never even addressed him or said anything about him) and makes every personal insult imaginable and "he is just trying to have a civil conversation." Well, here's a suggestion, if you want to have a civil conversation then don't come on here and start crap with another poster by attacking them and making personal insults.

"At the same time, what you are not saying in specific words certianly seems to be implied. You don't respect the MAC and your are unwilling to recognize that the MAC or it's members have the ability to field good teams."

Actually if you read (novel idea) a little bit, you would see that I have told Marshall fans (on their board) that I respect their program. I came on here and all of you folks were trashing Louisville. The bottom line and what I have stated here and will continue to state here, is that I'll put Louisville's program up against any program in the MAC. That is an easy bet for me and it ain't going to change. That doesn't mean that I think the MAC sucks, but only that I think Louisville compares favorably to those programs.

"However, I still contend that the real problems at Miami of Fla. began with him and in the end, were pinned to Jimmy Johnson, and Dennis Erikson."

Once again, on what basis do you make this statement, and once again I'll re-state that the NCAA has found that such comments are without merit.

"You seem to have taken direct offense to that and that is where you started refering to me in the fools tense. Why do you do that?"

Because it was a foolish comment. Also, please note that I didn't direct it at you personally because I had just remembered seeing it among the other uninformed remarks.

"Can't you contest a point with out trying to degrade a person?"

Yes, can you? Why don't we try it for once.

"We have the right to be proud of them, and our involvemnt with there success. They all left Miami better for the time the spent here."

Yes you do, as do I for the players I listed that have come through Louisville and chosen it to become better football players and better men. They have used Louisville as a springboard to greatness.

The bottom line for this "discussion" is that I came here to talk in a civilized manner about the upcoming bowl game and what I found was many people making incredibly uninformed and uneducated remarks about the University of Louisville. Your remarks and others may have been meant as good natured ribs, but I admit I took offense and was not going to stand by for such uninformed comments. I responded accordingly and have to admit that I was dishing it out. Quite frankly, I like all of the MAC teams and feel like folks in the MAC and C-USA should be allies and not enemies. The fact is that we're all getting screwed by the BCS and the bigger conferences. It's a crock. Anyways, i just read your finishing part of your post and agree to the truce and hope that we can discuss things (even if we disagree) in a civilized manner. My comments about your intelligence were below the belt and I apologize. Also, degrees do not mean squat (even though I'm proud of mine), I simply responded to your comment about my school and as you could tell it didn't sit well with me. Truce!

Yeah Parkbench, and Louisville never had a winning record with Unitas or Mark Clayton or Joe Jacoby either right? I think we've already identified that you are a clueless idiot spouting off inaccurate info at every turn. Why don't you do us all a favor and turn into some "firewood" where you'll be of some use? Besides, Williamson has no parks so there's definitely no need for a "ParkBench." Oh, i suppose you consider the Dairy Queen to be a park don't you? BTW, the NCAA has stated that your comments and opinions re Schnellenberger at Miami are false, uninformed and moronic at best. Good luck to SMU. Now what bowl are they playing in?

CincyKid stated:

" I'm not sure where our Louisville friend is getting the idea that Miami folks trash Louisville"

Actually if you review this very board you will see that before I ever posted there were several posts make inane comments about Louisville, many of which were made by Miami folks and in particular, JeffRing and MURedskin (who I have made my peace with).

"Still, I think the Miami fans are even more bitter due to the Vegas Bowl picking UNC after we beat 'em and they had a mediocre season."

I completely understand and agree but you agree, of course, that that doesn't give Miami folks a reason to unfairly trash Louisville.

"At the same time, instead of trashing the MCB, you Louisville folks should just be happy to be in a bowl.....after all, you haven't been in many lately, either.

No, we haven't been since 1993, and truth be told, i haven't "trashed" the MCB but only stated that Louisville wants to make a good showing so that it starts out possibly ranked next year and hopefully if things go well, will get a better bowl bid. That's not a slap at the MCB, but just a fact of life. I mean everyone wants to improve, no matter which bowl they're in. The folks who are in the Rose Bowl will want to improve to be in the national title game and so on down the line, right?

To all posting on these boards, a word of caution, the person who posts under the moniker "Jeff Ring" apparently got knocked over the head at about post 1100 and is suffering from a terrible case of amnesia. You see, Mr. Ring has stated that he never said anything bad or insulting to Louisville or its fans and that he has made no personal attacks upon myself. However, a quick review of the posts by Mr. Ring suggests that Mr. Ring is either suffering from amnesia or another disorder known as "Bill Clintonitis" whereby the individual selectively remembers what he conveniently wants to remember and forgets anything that would reveal that his statements are false and inaccurate.

For example at post 1035, Mr. Ring asserts that all C-Usa football players and particular those at Louisville "don't graduate, could care less about schooll, are only in school for the money and are corrupt." He also says that these STUDENT- athletes have no "conviction for the game" unlike those dedicated souls in the MAC. According to Mr. Ring, these were really meant as words of flattery and no C-USA fan or Louisville fan should be offended nor respond in any way. Of course, the reasonable among us recognize both the inaccuracies of the facts asserted by Mr. Ring re these STUDENT- athletes and the lunacy of the idea that someone who cheers for Louisville or any other C-USA school would not be offended by these statements.

Moreover, Mr. Ring had previously made equally insulting remarks about the STUDENT- athletes of C-USA in post 978 where he stated that the conference only had "athlete-students" and not "student-athletes." Once again, the reasonable among us can understand why someone who cheers for these teams would be offended and incensed by such inane remarks. Nonetheless, according to Mr. Ring's logic, the only people who are allowed to defend their school are MAC fans and in particular Miami fans.

Finally, in various other posts and in the posts mentioned above, Mr. Ring insults this poster and makes personal attacks upon him by stating as follows: "Here's where I show that you have no football knowledge," "You are lacking in any knowledgeable history of the game," "You have no idea what you're talking about" and "Yeah, Mecca you have a real good grasp of the game." Now, Mr. Ring wants you to believe that these were actually compliments and that he "never has personally attacked me." Of course, you recognize that he's either got an awful case of amnesia or he's full of crap! I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to which applies to Mr. Ring.

Mr. Ring, I suppose if you're really as squeaky clean and above-board as you proclaim in your previous post then you'll come back on here and state that you were wrong, that you've made personal attacks on this poster and unfounded attacks on C-USA, Louisville and its players, and that perhaps you need to practice what you preach or at least review your own posts before making false claims.

Well, we're waiting.......

Interesting, Jeff Ring re-posts countless examples of how he offended C-USA, Louisville and its fans and then proclaims his own innocence of doing the same. Fair enough, if you want to be a hypocrite and a liar than so be it. I'm not going to review 1000 posts to find many examples where you made personal attacks and insults. Let me guess you'll proclaim that in the previous post to me where you called me a "hypocrite and a liar" that that was not a personal attack or insult. You sir are an IDIOT! If you believe for one second that you have displayed anything other than the fact that you're an arrogant jack-@$$ (C-USA kids are "corrupt and want money" "they're athlete-students" blah, blah blah) then you've greatly missed the boat (not a big surprise).

BTW, i noticed in your response (oooohh, I left out two words regarding your inane statement about Miami's alleged superiority. Maybe you should talk to the Las Vegas Bowl folks about that because they seem to believe that you're pretty clueless.) that you fail to respond with regards to your previous comments about "corrupt kids who only want money playing at C-USA school" and that you cut your comments off before making such statement within your previous posts that you quote from. What's the matter, embarassed that you've been shown to be a phony and a liar? I suppose maybe you recognized what an incredibly insulting and moronic comment that was and hoped it would get swept under the rug. No chance hypocrite!!!! Now come back and make more personal attacks and insults while claiming that you never do such things. Show us one more time what a fool you are.

Finally you do state "My attacks have been to the integrity of Louisville, and their players..." So you admit that you've made such insulting remarks and you don't expect Louisville or C-USA fans to be offended? Okay, you've displayed your incredible intelligence with that piece of crap!

BTW, have fun WATCHING THE BOWL GAMES!!!! If all Miami fans are as ignorant and pretentious as you then they deserve to stay home!

ncherdfan, that's funny because the only articles I've read have the Marshall players talking smak. Not a good idea Herd.

GO CARDINALS!!!!

BTW, how do you get your letters to change type size like that? Just curious.

ncherdfan, I think you're probably right. Neither team should need bulletin board junk to get up for this game. Yes, i am going on one of the buses caravaning up on Wednesday (Lord thats tomorrow) morning. I'll be sure to look out for your brothers car if we see such dreadful decorations. LOL! Are you going? Long drive from North Carolina.

Herd fans, I've been gone for a few days and been trying to post today with no success, but wanted to come by and congratulate you and your team on a great game. Other than the various cheap shots made by your players, it was a very well played game by the Herd. As someone said earlier, offense can only carry you so far and that showed in the 2nd half. Coach Smith go get us some defensive players, quickly!

As far as the MAC v. CUSA thing, what does the #1 team in the MAC beating the #3 team in CUSA mean? Nothing. CUSA is a much better conference than the MAC and your best team beating our 3rd best team doesnot change that. You guys need to join a real conference so that your program gets the respect it deserves. Either the Big East or CUSA would be a nice jump up for Marshall.

Once again, good game and congratulations

I didn't say that it would mean anything did I? That's why a quick look at the ratings is instructional on which conference is ranked where. As I'm sure you know, the MAC is behind C-USA in that regards and obviously behind it in respectibility as 3 CUSA teams are bowling while only 1 MAC team is. Marshall needs to get out of the MAC and join a real conference. The Big East or CUSA would be a step up.

Uh, Jeff Ring, excuse me, Redman didn't know how to handle a real defense? You obviously didn't watch the game or see the 21 points posted by Louisville in the 2nd QUARTER. You also missed the fact that Redman threw for around 350 yards. Sorry, but this game was lost for one reason and one reason only, Marshall's offense kept our offense off the field and had great success against our defense. Once that happened, Marshall's defense knew we weren't running the ball and keyed on the pass (smart plan). In any event, Marshall was the far better team and needs to join a real conference so they

MULew, not avoiding you, just out of town (in Motown, ugh!) and busy for holidays, but I did want to congratulate you and your team. Marshall's program is definitely a top 40 program and this team should be ranked. I hope the second half beating you put on my Cardinals will get you there. Also, I hope you guys make the jump to C-USA. You'd be an asset in football and basketball. How's my boy, Vanhoose, doing? How the heck did uk and us let him get away?

ncherd, actually Louisville's receivers could run past Marshall's defenders deep. the problem was that Marshall's defensive line put a lot of pressure on Redman in the second half and didn't give any receivers a chance to get deep. Nice adjustments by Coach Pruett at halftime. Did your brother have a safe trip?

get the respect they deserve. A jump to C-USA or the Big East would be a big step up for them.

Jeff Ring, in response to your condescending, yet still intelligent as ever post, I offer the following response:

"The next sentence stated that Redman didn't know how to handle a defense. Implying that Redman did poorly in the second half."

And my post stated that Redman did just fine but his offensive line did not. Do you understand the difference between the two? If a quarterback has only a split second to get his reads, find a receiver and throw the ball, he'll be in trouble. Lumping the second half troubles on Redman is well, stupid, to say the least.

"By the way, need any more proof that Louisville has no defense?"

Please point to where I said that Louisville had a great defense (or even a good defense) or that Louisville's defense would be the difference in the game? Ain't going to find it genius. See, I didn't say that, and thus, your comment has no relevance to our pre-game discussion.

"I'm sure if Redman had been facing one of those anemic C-USA defenses, Louisville would have fared much better."

or if Redman had been facing any team in the MAC outside of Marshall (the only decent program).

"The question was how well Marshall's defense could contain Louisville. We found out in the third quarter. (or did you only watch the first half?)"

No actually if you can read (certainly this is up for debate given your comments), you will see that my comments were all about the SECOND (not first half Einstein) half. My comments commending the Marshall coaches for their half-time adjustments, stunts they added, blitzes and change in coverages. Needless to say, in the first half (did you watch the first half Einstein?) Marshall's regular defensive scheme COULD NOT CONTAIN LOUISVILLE. But Coach Pruett showed that he is a very good coach and made the adjustments necessary to put more pressure on Redman and throw a mix in coverages in the secondary.

Now, i said all of these things before in my congratulatory post. Apparently, your reading comprehension needs work or I wouldn't have to go through this exercise again and correct your inaccurate comments. Let me know if you have anything else you want me to set you straight on. (I can expect there will be).

Oddball, you are the only IGNORANT fan on these boards fool. Let me guess, this guy, Sagarin (he does this rating thing for your info, imbecile) had Louisville (and two other C-USA schools for that matter F@CKING IDIOT!) ranked ahead of EVERY TEAM IN THE MAC because of some vast "right-wing" conspiracy right. Dude, you don't know jack-sh!t about football. Marshall has a very good team and beat us soundly and I've admitted that on these boards with NO (ZERO, YOU DIRTBAG) excuses, yet you start running your yap about whining. It's a shame you have stained the reputation of Marshall fans by showing yourself to be waste of sperm and complete MORON!!!!

The funniest part is that your post does nothing to refute the points I made but was simply an assortment of ignorance. Go Figure!

MUinDC, likewise, Louisville committed penalties in the first and second half that sustained Marshall drives. Does that mean Louisville really contained Marshall's offense? You recognize how stupid that argument would be, right?

MUinDC, the name calling/personal attack part of this board was not started by me but by goofball. Perhaps, I shouldn't have stooped to his/her/its level, but the fact is that goofball's post deserves to be ripped because all it did was make a blanket statement about Louisville fans without citing any potential inaccuracies that I had posted to merit such criticism. Thus, the response. BTW, I don't bow down to Jeff Sagarin but the fact is that every computer rating I saw (Sagarin and NY Times) had Louisville, Tulane and So Miss ranked ahead of every team in the MAC, although Marshall was ahead of Louisville in the NY Times rating.

THD, show me where I talked so much trash before the game about Marshall. Sorry, i didn't. The only thing I said is that it would be a shootout (it was until Coach Pruett made his halftime adjustments, which I have credited). BTW, what did Coach Smith say that set you off. I've listened to the thing three times and have not heard one ( NOT ONE) disparaging remark about Marshall. So educate us please.

Jeff Ring, you stated:

"With Louisville's explosive offense, I was surprised at the amount of pressure Marshall was able to apply. I would argue that has to do with the defenses Louisville faced in C-USA, and a lack of experience under pressure."

Actually, it had to do with two offensive linemen getting hurt during the game and Coach Pruett (and his defensive coordinator) doing an excellent job changing up their schemes on defense. Your coaching staff outmaneuvered ours and your defensive linemen wore down our O-linemen.

"I suppose the experts on how well other MAC teams would perform in a game with Louisville are people at Marshall."

And I'd imagine that the experts on how well, Marshall would fare against So Miss or Tulane would be Louisville fans. Both of those teams are much bigger up front. In particular, Marshall would not have a tenth of the success rushing the passer against Tulane as it did against Louisville. Also, King is much more mobile than Redman and would pose a bigger threat on offense for his running.

"and I think Louisville's defense would have about as much success stopping Travis Prentice as UC."

Sorry, but comparing Louisville to UC in any respect is uninformed. Louisville beat UC 63-14. Sorry, the transitive theory stuff doesn't fly in this part of your argument.

I personally think Louisville, Tulane, So. Miss or East Carolina would defeat Miami. I also think Tulane would thump Marshall and So. Miss and Marshall would be a tossup.

THD, I listened and didn't hear things the same way this writer heard things, but if Smith made such comments about Marshall having no class, etc., it is incredibly inappropriate (even if true) and he should get reprimanded. Quite frankly, I can not believe for one second that he made such remarks and that the Louisville Courier Journal (which lives for bashing the University of Louisville) has not run one article mentioning them. Sorry, just find that hard to believe because they go out of their way to bash Louisville.

Yes, THD, the "hometown" paper goes out of its way to bash the "Hometown" team. Trust me, its a great matter of uproar in the city and needless to say, its subscriptions have plummetted.

Goofball, i'm not going to waste my time with such a pathetic human being. You're similar to the whiny little kid on the playground, who starts a fight, gets his a$$ handed to him, and then runs to the teacher crying, "He hit me. Shame on him." You're resorting to personal attacks in the beginning shows the lack of any intelligence whatsoever. I'm just sorry that I stooped to your level. If you do learn to read, you'll see that the reason i came here was to congratulate the only respectable football program in the MAC on their bowl victory. Do you have a problem with me congratulating them or are such acts of class foreign to you? (I can assume the latter).

BTW, what bowl game did Toledo go to this year? What they didn't. Why not? Because they're a third-rate program playing in a third-rate conference. You better support Marshall. Lord knows you've got nothing to support in Toledo's rag program. Good luck in next year's season. I'm sure it will end the same as usual, i.e. sitting at home watching other programs play in bowl games.

Go Miami, sorry that was after the MCB, not before so get it straight.

goofball, as I pledged before, i will no longer stoop to your level. You started the flaming and personal attacks, funny though, i don't recall Toledo being in a bowl game. Now which one were they in, IDIOT! And please tell me all about Toledo's great bowl history. The better part of you is a stain somewhere, you infected scab!!!! You flame well, because, well, you are a flamer, but keep your stories about your homo encounters at adult bookstores to yourself, pervert! Adios LOSER, I'll come back when Toledo actually gets to a bowl game. Needless to say, you don't have to worry about me returning for a long while. Now go run away screaming "he hit me" like you did before you freakin IMBECILE!

THD, I'd like to get more info (just for my info) but like i said, if he made those comments, he should apologize and be reprimanded. I support my coach, but those are boneheaded comments if made. My skepticism comes from the fact that I've read the latest "Louisville SportsReport" which deals with the MCB, etc. and I never saw anything remotely near to these type comments therein. I'm not saying they weren't made, just shocked that the only source so far has been "some Marshall fans say he said this..." Your a journalist, right? Surely you understand my skepticism when no papers have had any story at all on these alleged adverse comments.

THD, what about the comment regarding Leroy Collins bothers you? I mean his comments are dead on accurate, Leroy Collins has no business going pro. So Smith, says "Where's he going to? He's not ready and he's talking to the wrong people" and that's bad? Please explain to me what exactly is wrong with those comments given that they are 100% true.

goofball, I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore. You are simply a waste of oxygen and as I told you on the other board, I won't stoop to your level anymore. You let me know when Toledo actually GETS TO A BOWL and then we'll talk. BTW, still waiting for Toledo's illustrious bowl history.

Nope, not going to stoop to your level, but please let me know when Toledo even goes to a bowl game. I'm sure I'll know since the News folks will be talking about "hell freezing over" and "donkeys (goofballs) flying."

Oh that's rich Motown retard, come on here starting crap and spewing garbage when you don't know what the he!! you're talking about and then try to blame me as if you didn't start the flaming, d!ck-head! That's real rich! BTW, my Cardinals have beaten your Eer's before LOSER so get it straight. Also, indulge us please, when is the last time that your Eer's WON a bowl game? 90? NOPE. 86? NOPE. Lord have mercy, no wonder your favorite cheer is "wait til next year" you IDIOT!

MUinDC, why is it that my posts are "un-called for" and "offensive" yet the jack-a$$ who first started this junk and who began the personal attacks is okay? If you really don't want these posts then come back on here and call Motown retard and goofball out for starting the crap. Otherwise, you're just a Communist pr!ck trying to curtail my free speech. Come on now, show that you deserve some credibility and call these a$$holes out and I will stop.

goofball, the only village idiot on these boards has been you, let me know when Toledo actually gets to a bowl game and we'll talk. Until then, i suppose you'll be sitting at home watching the rest of us go to bowls. (and of course the Eer's losing them).

Thanks for proving what I "though" about you again Jeffrey and for proving that your last line is true.

And as far as March Madness, I gladly invite the village idiots to come visit the basketball boards so we can talk about how pathetic the MAC is in hoops. (Hard to believe the MAC is even worse in basketball than in football). Come to the basketball boards so I can show you pathetic entrails what a national championship trophy looks like.

You want to talk smak in basketball Jeffrey? goofball? Motown retard? I'll be there if you have the guts.

Hey goofball, let me know when Toledo gets to a bowl game...hehehehehehehehe, pathetic excuse for a human...nope not going to stoop to the level of such scum. I'll be waiting.... Have fun at home watching March Madness at home. You should be used to watching at home by now...

Come on Jeffrey, you want to talk smak in basketball? Come to the C-USA boards and I'll show you what a national championship trophy looks like, son.

LOUISVILLE CARDINALS, '80 AND '86 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, 7 FINAL FOURS AND 2 ELITE EIGHTS, NOT TO MENTION NUMEROUS SWEET 16'S.

Please tell us about Miami's NCAA history Jeffrey. Trust me, you need to stay on the football boards son. You're even more out of your league here.

Jeffrey still waiting for that illustrious history of Miami basketball. What's the matter are you ashamed? Don't you have the guts to post it? Hey you've been to a sweet 16 before, wooopiiiieeee!!!! Let's party. And the only person plagiarizing styles and arguments on these boards is you son so I'm not surprised in the least that you couldn't come up with anything original in your previous post. Be creative and original for once please.

Funny, when absolute and complete IDIOTS like the pogue-retard come one here with their uninformed and ignorant crap and I'm not expected tp respond in any way. Hey retard, maybe you should check your facts for once. Explain to me just what kind of student-athlete Randy Moss was while at one of those "great MAC schools." Moron Hint: He WASN'T ONE AT ALL JACK-A$$, yet he played in this conference where allegedly all of the players are "student-athletes" and upstanding citizens, etc. What a hypocritical crock of sh!t you are. You hide behind your failures on the court by making this "Well we're really students" garbage. BULL-$H!T!!!! Plain and simple. You have no idea what you're talking about.

The idiot then states:

"Sure all of the trophies in the world don't mean a thing if you have the cheat to get there."

Any alleged violations took place in 1997, not 1980 or 1986 so your statement is baseless and inane at best. Or do you have some information you'd like to share with us that no one else in the world has. No? You're just being an imbecile. Thought so.

"we'll talk about the MAC's no non-sense apporach to athletics."

Was that the no-nonsense approach that gladly accepted Randy Moss or the one that gladly allowed Gary Trent to take Underwater Basketweaving courses (probably your major also, right dip-sh!t) while playing in the MAC. No, the MAC schools sacrificed their "allegedly lofty academic status" that you so proudly trumpet now to be better on the field so don't act for one second like the MAC schools are any different, junior. The only difference is that their teams aren't as accomplished or as good so their pathetic excuse for human being fans, like you, must conjure up some lame excuse to make himself feel better about his unaccomplished teams.

Radskin4ever, so you agree that Jeff Ring's and Pogu-retard's "complete and utter lack of respect for C-USA is just ignorant also" right? Or is it just when someone supports their conference against the unsubstantiated anfd ignorant comments of folks who root for your conference that you have a problem? Pretty hypocritical again. If you have such a problem with such comments then come back on here and tell Jeff Ring and E-turd how ludicrous and ignorant their comments are re C-USA.

"Don't try to compare the conferences side by side, because obviously CUSA will win just about every category"

Thanks, Redskin, couldn't have said it better myself. And I'll be glad to give the MAC its respect when these fools give C-USA the respect it deserves.

I'm not going to waste my time with you pogue-retard or lower myself to your level anymore. And I'll take your failure to respond to my comments regarding Randy "I'm a great student, when I go to class" Moss and Gary "here mom, a mother's day basket for you that I made in school" Trent as a victory. Your comments regarding the "Student-athletes" are simply hypocritical garbage to cover for your inferior teams. I'm sure its part of your therapy so continue making them if it makes you feel better.

I suppose I should go on to the MEAC board, which of course, will be a step up from this one. I'm sure they also have knowledgeable fans on those boards too, something obviously lacking here. BTW, I'll put my "academic status" and degrees up against yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday, junior, and have no doubt that you'd do as well in that arena as you've done here. Now, please respond with some witty retort about reading books (something you're just learning to do) and a "third-grade education" (only two years more than yours moron), to hide your own inferiority.

Yes, I knew the MAC was known for something because its surely not known for its football or basketball, Field Hockey!!!! The MAC, a field hockey conference. You got me, I can't argue with the fact that the MAC is really a field hockey conference that also tries to play basketball and football.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'll see you guys over at the "Field Hockey Board". LOL

BTW, Louisville's women won one (or two) games in the MAC in field hockey this year (didn't win one last year) so there! :-)>

Yes, pogueretard, you've shown that jerks ARE a dime a dozen, although I don't know if your pathetic arse is worth that much.

redsteve, thanks for that info on field hockey, the sport of the MAC. I knew they hadn't won many but recalled a couple of W's which now I see were OOC. Hey, that MAC field hockey is tough. It's a shame their other sports aren't as competitive as their field hockey. :-)

goofball, still waiting for Toledo's bowl history. What's the matter are you ashamed? Let me know when you have the guts to post it and when Toledo actually gets to a bowl game....

goofball, you seem to have a keen insight into homosexual type practices and surely enjoy talking about the same. Why don't you keep your private life issues off of these boards pervert? I could care less if you're a queer or not. Go to one of your gays and lesbian web pages if you want to discuss your lifestyle. BTW, still waiting for that bowl record and let me know when Toledo gets to a bowl game....

Ah, nothing like a couple of unemployed "lawn maintenance specialists" to entertain us today.

Come on Motown retard, join me in West Virginia's favorite cheer,

"WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR! WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR! WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR! WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!

I'm sure you know it by heart.

Hey goofball, let me know when Toledo gets to a bowl game...hehehehehehehehe, and I'm still waiting for that bowl record......

Lord if i had a penny for everytime you made ignorant comments or appeared to be an idiot, well I'd be a rich man.

goofball, I would expect someone of your competence (or as shown here incompetence) to respond as you have in the previous post. You have yet to post anything on any board, which would indicate that you know the first thing about football, basketball or any sport for that matter. But, i must commend you on your incredible knowledge regarding adult bookstores and homosexual tendencies. Oh well, your experiences have served you well. BTW, still waiting for Toledo's bowl history and let me know if Toledo gets to a bowl....

And goofball, check the oil and wash the windows and for gods sake pull up your pants boy, we don't want to look at that repairman's arse (although I'm sure your boyfriend's do fudgepacker). "Say no to Crack" goofball.

goofball, I would expect someone of your competence (or as shown here incompetence) to respond as you have in the previous post. You have yet to post anything on any board, which would indicate that you know the first thing about football, basketball or any sport for that matter. But, i must commend you on your incredible knowledge regarding adult bookstores and homosexual tendencies. Oh well, your experiences have served you well. BTW, still waiting for Toledo's bowl history and let me know if Toledo gets to a bowl....

Ronnie, appreciate the post and your comments.

Just one suggestion, if you really feel civility should be the order of the day, then review the posts and take notice of who started the personal attacks and insults. I didn't start insulting Pogue, Jeff Ring, oddball or any of these posters, they started insulting me. You see if you want to be taken seriously (and I think you do), then you need to address your post to those who started the flaming and who have obviously contributed to the flaming (other than just me, although I'm not about to deny my part in the same). Then that would show that you're not just a MAC fan being hypocritical and singling out me, the non-MAC fan, but that you truly think this junk is well, junk. I'll be waiting for a similar post to your last post, chastising the others.

Otherwise, I think a smart person like yourself can recognize that your words wouldn't mean a whole lot if they aren't intended for all, K? OK!

Now, as far as Louisville they are ranked 27 in the AP poll and #9 in the Sagarin ratings, #24 in the latest RPI, and #19 in the CBS power index (don't know how they determine that one, just saw it while researching on the web).

As far as degrees, I'm happy with the two BA's in Math and Economics and my Juris Doctor I received. I haven't "researched" at Northwestern, although I spent an exchange semester summer studying at Oxford (not bragging, just fun experience). Anyways, I feel quite comfortable in my educational qualifications, but like you said, what does it matter? As I'm sure you would discover by looking back at the posts, I didn't bring "educational qualifications" up bo begin with, our friend Pogue did. I'm sure we can expect you to admonish him on the same. And you're right, none of that educational BS means squat in the real world. Of the top 10 people in my law school class, only 7 are gainfully employed and the other 3 are researching, while, yes, you guessed it, waiting tables.

Nice talking to ya!

Ronnie, thanks for your comments regarding Louisville and no problem on the "civility" issue. Probably hard for some to believe, but I'd much better be civil than the alternative. When the moment arises however, well you get the picture. Anyways, good luck on Trinity in Dublin. I had a friend who visited Dublin and other towns around that part of Ireland for about a month and said its a great place. Anyways, i'm sure it would be a great experience.

To all MAC fans, i want to call a truce. I have cheered for your teams for many years and respected the same. Nonetheless, my disdain for your conference can be traced to two simple things (go look at the posts as they support my point), 1. Jeff Ring's incredibly ludicrous post about C-USA teams having mostly "student-athletes" who were "corrupt" and "wanted only money;" and 2. Oddball's flaming towards me after I returned to the MAC boards to congratulate Marshall and its fans on spanking my Cardinals when his team was watching from home.

I understand after reading many of these posts that most of you are not as arrogant, condescending and ignorant as these two have demonstrated themselves to be and apologize for lumping you in with them.

I would also simply tell Jeff Ring and oddball, that I will be glad to discuss sports with them but will no longer lower myself to the flaming (yes I recognize that I dished it out as much as I took it) wars.

Good luck to the MAC! Go C-USA!

MURedskins, you may have a valid point about UC (I don't know the history of how the series stopped or never started, etc.) but your comparison with North Carolina is somewhat off base. North Carolina also has "refused" to play a regional lesser known school, North Carolina Charlotte, for 30 or 40 years. Here recently, they relented but only agreed to play Charlotte at Chapel Hill where they won by 2 points. Their "renewal" of their series would be quite similar to UC-Miami and I would suspect that UC would only come to Millett (sp.) if Miami came to The Shoe for two or three games. Just my opinion.

MURedskins, i appreciate the info on the Miami- UC rivalry, of which I was not fully aware.

For your info., UNCC went to the final four in '77 and has a fairly strong basketball tradition although not as rich as unc, Louisville or DukE, etc.

As far as the Louisville-uk game, there is really no comparison to the UC-Miami situation because when uk and Louisville decided to play, uk had no choice but to play because Louisville's program had moved ahead of them (1984, Louisville had been to 3 of the last 4 final fours and won a national title while uk had been defeated by Middle Tenn St and UAB in first rounds of 2 of the previous 3 tourneys, but I digress). In that instance uk had more to gain than Louisville by playing. The "David-Goliath" comment regarding that series just doesn't fit except in rare years (last year) when one program is way down. For example, this year was anything but a "David-Goliath" situation as Louisville has proven itself to be as good, or better, than uk. Nonetheless, your comments about those games and the excitement surrounding them makes me wonder why bigger schools continue to dodge smaller opponents, and I suppose the bottom line is the network money that such schools could potentially lose (or have to share) if a Miami or OU broke into the national scene with such regular games. Bottom line is that this entire thing is fed by money and until that changes with more revenue sharing other than conference sharing, we'll continue having these discussions.

MUinDc, that is definitely the most hilarious thing that no Marshall fans are involved and the reason for that is that I congratulated the Marshall fans on their victory with my very first post after the game and they accepted with class. Funny that goofball and other fans on this board of teams that didn't even go to a bowl are talking smak. Pathetic, very pathetic to watch these jealous folks rage, but I suppose its all part of their therapy.

Motown retard, when was the last time West Virginia won a bowl game? hmm? Louisville won one in 1993 and 1991. Has West Virginia won one since? How long before those wins was West Virginia's last bowl win? I'll bet you were still in diapers weren't you? Probably 15 years old but still in them nonetheless, huh? What a sorry, sorry loser you are!

Now come on let's give do the Mountaineer cheer..

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

Gosh been cheering this one for about 15 years haven't you....

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

goofball, you missed a piece of trash back there on the roadway. Nice orange jumpsuit, though. Have fun making those license plates. BTW, let me know when Toledo gets to a bowl game. You might even be out by then.

Mounty retard, I'll be glad to tell you about our bowl victories right after you tell me about the last bowl game that West Virginia won. So put down your Cheeseburger, spit out your tobaccerrrr, and tell me when did West Virginia last win a bowl game?

And while you're thinking about it (I recognize thinking is a new experience for you), lets do your favorite cheer:

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

Good thing Marshall became Div 1 so somebody in West Virginia could win a bowl game.

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

You're right THD, but we haven't perfected it like West Virginia has over the last 15 years! LOL!

Come one Eer's fans,

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

Come on goofball, here's one for Toledo,

WAIT TIL PIG'S FLY AND WE GO TO A BOWL!!!!!

WAIT TIL PIG'S FLY AND WE GO TO A BOWL!!!!!

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!

Hey POC, aka, "Amy in Houston" if you learned to read, you would see that the reason I came here originally was to congratulate the Herd on its bowl victory and commend its team on a great year. Since that time, I've been laughing at low-life pond scum like yourself and goofball, who have demonstrated that the lack of knowledge of some people is only matched by their lack of class. BTW, how's the basketball season going for you? I've searched the rankings and Sagarin ratings and for the life of me, i can't find your team. Of course, i don't go below the top 50 which probably explains why. In any event, feel free to sick some "cats" on me, although if they're "wild" there going to get their arses handed to them, just ask Tubby.

goofball, still waiting for that bowl record and please let me know when Toledo even gets to a bowl. (It will probably be around the same time that you get that big promotion to "Head Gas Station Attendant")

Yes, goofball, i would conveniently avoid any discussion of basketball also if I were a fan of Toledo's. BTW, still waiting for that bowl record and, of course, let me know when Toledo even gets to a bowl....

Amy in Houston, aka, POC, "Pathetic Ole C__", let's examine your inane comments one at a time

"Dear Rude and Insulting (aka Mecca_cards)"

Uh, you started the insulting or is that grand memory of yours on cruise control like the rest of your intellect. I simply pointed to some facts to appease your feeble mind. With your response, I can see that your reading comprehension is as exemplary as your memory.

"Making personal attacks at people, claiming they are stupid, when you, personally have no knowledge whatsoever of their IQ or scores on standardized tests makes YOU looks like a complete classless jerk..."

So you agree then that the comments that began this epic journey, ie those of Oddball and others, and then your own comments, display that YOU, Oddball, and certain others are complete classless jerks, hmmm? Thanks for proving my point (I recognize that with your brand of logic, you probably do not understand this point).

"I really don't want to have to post all my test results and shame you into admitting yours could be several points lower."

Care to make a friendly wager on that? You forget that I've read your posts and with your constant displays of incompetence, I can simply say that I've graduated from high school which puts me several grade levels above you.

"My point, which seemed to be lost on you, was this: If all you came over here to do was congratulate Marshall, then why do you stay and perpetuate animosity?"

Because I enjoy making fools of idiots such as yourself. I am dying laughing with each of your ignorant posts. If you want me to leave then shut your sorry, worthless arse, and do not address me further.

DevilGrad then wrote

"When you read the Sagarin hoops rankings yesterday, you must not have read very carefully. Toledo stood #38 as of yesterday (when you claimed not to see them in the top 40). Miami, BTW, is #28."

Actually, the Sagarin ratings at the time of posting had Toledo ranked 43. While those may have been updated later in the day, at the time of posting, they were accurate. Nonetheless, despite its losing streak, Louisville remains above both in the Sagarin ratings, sorry.

Hey another WVU fan, come on all Eeeeeers fans join in...

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

Man been hearing that one since 1984...an oldy for WVU fans but a goody....

BTW, Motown retard, your comment to goofball about how pathetic it was that I mentioned basketball, kind of like "getting your a$$ kicked in a bar fight and then ....you car." I recognize that you are not real bright but please educate me as to when exactly Toledo "kicked Louisville's a$$." You see, loser, goofball has to latch onto Marshall because Toledo did not even go to a bowl game this year and thus I've requested that goofball contact me when Toledo actually gets to a bowl game...

Now, back to our cheer,

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!!!!!

DevilGrad, excuse me, what demeaning comments? Look up POC in the acronym finder and see how demeaning it is. So your posts suggest that its perfectly okay for some folks to make "demeaning" comments but when its thrown back at them, then the person returning serve is the bad guy. How patently pathetic. And please show me where I claimed "unbridled intellectual superiority" over all posters here, genius. (Hint: I haven't so your comments are simply more irrelevant drivel)

Bottom Line: Either admonish all who have made "demeaning" comments, or shut your self-righteous trap! Otherwise, your comments are only hypocritical BS and YOU are the only person who deserves the "ends" of which you speak, fraud. I'll see you in hell, loser!

Cappel, "one fluke good year?" Actually, Louisville has had 6 winning seasons in the 90's while playing against real competition (don't give me the C-USA v. MAC BS because even though we could argue to the cows come home, Louisville was an independent before CUSA and regularly played a top notch schedule) and two bowl wins during the same. Needless to say, to any knowledgeable football fan, Louisville's program has done much more than Toledo's over the past 15 years, so your comments are well, uninformed at best.

Of course, you do agree that its pretty pathetic for a Toledo fan to rag on a team that actually got invited to a bowl game, right? Please show me that you're intelligent enough to see the stupidity in those comments.

goofball states:

"Ranked twice this decade with a bowl win. Match that, loser."

Uh, ranked three times this decade with TWO BOWL WINS, including wins over Alabama in the Fiesta Bowl and Michigan State in the Liberty Bowl!!!! Okay, anything else from you goofball? There shouldn't be, but then again, there never should have been any smack from your useless arse to begin with. Oh BTW, let me know when Toledo actually gets to a bowl game.....

Motown Mounty, a little creativity, eh. ROFL! That was good! (really, that was a good one) But how did you guess our cheer? Have you been to one of our home games? See, I've been to a few Eer's games at Mountaineer Field and lived in West "By Gawd" Virginia for several years, so I've heard the Eer's cheer way too many times. :-)

oddball, backpedaling a little there aren't you? In response to previous posts, I've got to admit that in the 1960's Toledo was more successful than Louisville. (There, ya happy) However, in case you missed it, its 1999 and not 1969. LOL!

And you have yet to address the pointsa I have raised:

Toledo was not respected enough to go to a bowl this year.

Toledo does not have the fan support to merit such an invitation to an at-large bowl.

Toledo's home attendance pales in comparison to Louisville's.

Toledo's facilities pale in comparison to Louisville's.

Toledo's accomplishments in this decade and over the past 15 years pale in comparison to Louisville's.

Now address those and I'll respond to your inane posts about Toledo even being in the ballgame with Louisville this past season. Yeah, you played Marshall tighter when their main player was hobbling around on one leg. Big deal!!!!