The Basic Rules

The 3 seconds rule

The "3 seconds rule" was coined by Mystery, a PUA and regular poster on ASF. The point of the 3s rule is to propel you to approach women fast enough to keep your internal voice from talking you out of it and avoid hesitation. You do not want a woman to see you hesitate. The longer you hesitate, the more insecure and sappy you appear. Also, hesitation creates an added sense of nervousness to your mental state - a personality trait you do not want to portray when approaching women.

Even if you can't think of any way to initiate a conversation with a woman, whatever you do, don't break the 3s rule! Act in 3 seconds as the default rule, even if you have no idea how you will continue. If you don't have an opener or opening line in mind by the time you're in front of her, at least just say "Hi". If you act in 3 seconds, she will notice it, no matter where she just came in from or where you came from or how you passed by each other. She will see the spontaneity and decisiveness in your approach and it can only work in your favor. If you wait, hesitate, then decide to approach, you are in a weaker situation. Hesitating will give your self-doubt a chance to create imaginary bad outcomes and add unneeded insecurity to your approach.

With the 3s rule, you don't need to wait for eye contact or for her to notice you or for an opportunity to present itself. You simply see something you like and you go right up to it. You are also doing yourself a favor by following the 3s rule. In three seconds, you have no time to become nervous, self-conscious, sweaty, shaky - all the obvious signs of an AFC: lacking confidence, quality, power, or assertiveness, a weakling around women, a pariah to beautiful girls. Even if you start sweating, or getting shaky or stutter while talking to the woman after following the 3s rule, you weren't that way when you initiated contact. The first impression is what counts. If that first impression of you is of a confident and spontaneous man, her feelings for you will be positive from the start, which greatly the minimizes the chance of you turning into a pile of jelly while talking with her. It sets the pace and helps keep your inner voice at bay, allowing you the chance to keep up your confidence.

The 3s rule, though, is not absolute - you may simply not notice her when she enters your environment, or maybe you'll be tied up with something that might in some way stop you from approaching her (real obstacles, not your imagined ones). The 3 seconds start counting from the moment you have spotted her and are free to approach. When those two conditions are met, you really don't have the time to think deep thoughts, or try and figure out whether or not she noticed that you didn't approach her because you were either too preoccupied, restrained, or simply oblivious - the clock is always ticking, so move it!

vampire2727, ASF: "The worst part of not using the 3s rule is when the girl sees you hesitating."

Mike, ASF: "When approaching these chicks, I used Mystery's 3 second rule approach (which I rely on heavily) and tried to pick out something about them to comment on. It could be a book, something they are wearing, questions about something that they MAY (not necessarily DO) have knowledge on, something we have in common, whatever."

Formhandle's thoughts on the 3 seconds rule:

There is a reason it's a RULE and not just a recommendation. In just about any situation, you are better off approaching quickly and without hesitation after seeing the chick rather than waiting around to think about the

ion? ESP? Tarot cards? What's that you say? You think it's all a bunch of crap? Well, so do I. But guess what? Women eat this stuff up like candy, so I PRETEND to be interested in all of it!!! Of course, my favourite gimmick of gimmicks is analysing a chick's handwriting. Do I have any training in this field? Have I even read a single book on the subject? OF COURSE NOT!!! But of course, just by coincidence, we carry the good old Grapho-Deck (you can find it at www.myhandwriting.com), the world's best gimmick for picking up women.

All you need to do is walk into any bar or party with it, and corral the first girl you see. Just walk up and say, "Excuse me, I know this might sound a little odd, but do you handwrite or do you print?". After she stares at you like a bug for a second, she'll say, "Both. Why?". You say, "Well, I got this neat little deck of cards from a friend, and they're supposed to let you analyse a person's writing. I've tried it a few times and it really worked, and you looked like a fun person to break the ice with. Want to give it a go?". Almost always you'll hear yes, and the neat thing is other girls will be watching and then they'll come up to you and ask if you'll, "Do me! Do me!". I'm serious, it's that easy."

Other gimmicks may include tarot cards, magic tricks and palmistry, the latter of which shall be examined a bit in this guide.

Palm reading – why should you use it?

Many aspects of predicting the future and fortune-telling are very pattern-like - they rely on creating states, leading the imagination etc. Learn what the various lines in people's palms are supposed to mean and you'll never run out of mesmerising things to say to her:) Besides, doing a palm-reading routine to a girl somewhere in public has an added bonus of a possibility of also other girls in the vicinity getting in line to extend their soft hands for you to touch and "examine":)

Palm-reading (aka palmistry) can also combine patterns and kino into one truly powerful strategy. ASF: "Run the palm reader routine (you don't need to know fuck all about it). Get hold, comment on soft skin/read palm (saying stuff like you can see she's a very highly sexed, physically responsive woman - blah, blah, and really laying it on thick - with embedded commands etc. if you like). Don't let go of her hand while you're doing this, keep looking deep into her eyes then start kissing the hand & telling her some shit about 'people may know each others' mind, but they don't really know each other until their bodies get to know each other." So ok, maybe this example from ASF moved a bit too fast, but you get the general idea:) Just watch her reactions and respond accordingly. If all signs indicate that you could get away with an "until their bodies get to know each other"-line, then use it:)

Here's an example of transitioning to palm-reading taken from "Eliciting values - the questions":

""How do your friends describe you?" Use this both for value-eliciting and as prep info for palm-reading, after which you can say "Let me see whether you actually are like that as well" and transition to palm-reading.""

It is however good to know a few things about palmistry beforehand, for it will be far easier to "predict her future" and "look into her past" this way:) Plus your being able to show her how you draw your conclusions adds "credibility" to what you're saying:) The next few articles will explain the main lines in the hand and how to read them.

Reading lines in General

The three major lines in the hand
by Peter and Kathleen Keogh

When you look into your hands, you will see the three major lines of heart, head, and life (see picture).

The heart line shows how we feel, the head line how we think and the life line how much physical vitality we have to sustain the body. The motivation to live is not shown by the life line alone. One's inspiration for life could be arising out of a strong emotional need to connect with someone, reflected by an intense heart line. The desire to live could be motivated by an urge for intellectual pursuits. This will be reflected by a strong head line more predominantly developed than either the line of life or heart.

However for an individual to feel more at peace, it is best when the three major lines are equal in length and strength. This reflects that a degree of harmony has been achieved as no one line is imbalancing the other two. If the heart line is predominant, then the sentiments will play an important role in the person's life. However, if the head line is not strong enough to keep the individual centered, the emotions may confuse, rather than inspire, the individual to express creatively. If the head line is strong but the life line is weak, there may not be enough energy to consistently endure and persist in accomplishing one's goals.

Fortunately from the hand prints an analyst can recommend to an individual how to balance the energies of the major lines. If the head line is dominant then the person will need to concentrate on developing sweetness of heart. If the life line is dominant and the head and heart lines are weak, the person must find a creative outlet where they can direct their energy. A comparative analysis of the 3 major lines in both the active and inactive hands, will help the individual understand in what areas of life progress is being realized and in what other areas greater efforts have to be made.

Reading the lines in general
by Angela M. Mattey

Whenever you look at the lines in the palm the quality of the line tells you very much about the person. Check to see if the lines are clear, deep and unbroken which means the line has good quality. If the lines are criss-crossed, chained, broken, has islands or is faintly traced it is considered to have poor quality. A poor quality line tells you that the person lacks good flow of well-being in the area that is weakened. It can represent a period of time in life when the owner is indecisive, unhappy, stressed, feeling blocked, or unable to feel secure about embracing life. Many hands have clear, unbroken lines even though the owner has had what an observer would evaluate to be a very difficult life. This means that the owner is able to survive and cope with life taking what life gives them in stride even though it may be significant challenges. There are other hands where the lines are all criss-crossed and the owner has not had that difficult a life by another's standards, but they see their life as stressful and overwhelming.

The Life Line simply symbolizes the quality of a person's life force energy. The length of this line does not tell you how long a person will live (tell her that, if it appears a little short). If the line is deeply etched and well formed, meaning not broken, chained or crossed, then the person is enthusiastic about life and puts effort into their actions and relationships. So the deeply etched life line tells about a good quality and supply of life force energy. If the life line is lightly traced in the palm the person tends to be more mentally oriented and observes life as a bystander with less enthusiastic involvement than the deeply etched life-lined person would exert. So the life force energy of a lightly traced or chained, or broken life line is more delicate. If the life line's pathway travels outward into the center of the palm, its owner will be more bold about life and want to explore the world. When the life line curves more closely and hugs the thumb the owner will be more likely to stay close to home and not be very adventurous about new things and changes in life.

The Head Line tells about how a person's intelligence is applied, how a person thinks and to a minor degree the well-being of the physical brain. The deeper and more clear this line the more potent the thinking processes of its owner. A thin delicate, islanded, chained or frayed head line tells you that the person is nervous, anxious, sensitive and indecisive, being too easily effected by arguments and the pressures of another's idea or will power. If the head line is short, the person is more instinctive and action motivated. If the head line is longer, the person is mentally oriented, wants to learn about many things, and has good mental focus. If the head line is more straight, the person is very logical, reasoning and wants the facts. If the line is sloping downward, the person is imaginative, creative and more sensitive. When there are deep dots or dents present on this line or islands sometimes this tells of headaches and possible physical problems with the brain itself. Other times such indications tell of mental frustrations and of "second guessing" one's abilities to decide properly.

The Heart Line tells about the owner's emotions and how they are expressed. The heart line can be looked at for health indications also. The heart line has a different starting point than the other palmar lines which start at the thumb side of the palm. The longer the heart line the more the emotion is present in the personality of the owner. If the heart line is straight the owner's emotions are ruled by the mind. They think before they speak. The curved heart line, like the one shown in the above image, tells of a person who is sentimental, intuitive and openly expresses their feelings. If the heart line is clear and deep the person is comfortable with their emotions. If the line is frayed, broken, chained or delicate the person is emotionally stressed and often moody. An island on this line at about the space under the ring finger area tells of eyesight problems.

The Fate Line is not always present in a palm. When it is present it helps the palmist time events in the client's life. The fate line tells all about a person's career pathway changes, independence, personal will power, and their ability to adapt to life's circumstances. If a hand does not have a fate line it is not bad like so many palmistry books have stated. It can mean the owner's life is dictated by the circumstances of their environment or by an overly possessive parent. However it can mean the owner is open minded, free wheeling and spontaneous about life and their pathway. When this line is present in it's full flow, like in the image above, the owner has a very balanced inner strength and guidance about life from within. If this line is broken it means a major life change, such as a physical move to another location, a job change, a relationship change or a complete career change, in life at the time of it's break. This is also true of a break in the life line.

The Sun Line has been considered the sign of great luck and success in the hand by many palmists. This line indicates talent about which you will have to look at the rest of the hand to determine its exactitude. It basically says that its owner has a special ability to make friends, money and earn a good reputation. A full line of Sun (unlike the one in the picture) starts at the base of the palm and travels up to and under the ring finger. This is a fortunate sign of creative successes or the self-confidence to make the most of inherited talents to gain possible fame in life. The line of Sun as it is shown in the picture is how it most commonly appears in a palm. Here it is short and located in the upper part of the palm. This indicates success comes later in life and that the person might be a late bloomer.

Reading the lines in general
by Angela M. Mattey

Whenever you look at the lines in the palm the quality of the line tells you very much about the person. Check to see if the lines are clear, deep and unbroken which means the line has good quality. If the lines are criss-crossed, chained, broken, has islands or is faintly traced it is considered to have poor quality. A poor quality line tells you that the person lacks good flow of well-being in the area that is weakened. It can represent a period of time in life when the owner is indecisive, unhappy, stressed, feeling blocked, or unable to feel secure about embracing life. Many hands have clear, unbroken lines even though the owner has had what an observer would evaluate to be a very difficult life. This means that the owner is able to survive and cope with life taking what life gives them in stride even though it may be significant challenges. There are other hands where the lines are all criss-crossed and the owner has not had that difficult a life by another's standards, but they see their life as stressful and overwhelming.

The Life Line simply symbolizes the quality of a person's life force energy. The length of this line does not tell you how long a person will live (tell her that, if it appears a little short). If the line is deeply etched and well formed, meaning not broken, chained or crossed, then the person is enthusiastic about life and puts effort into their actions and relationships. So the deeply etched life line tells about a good quality and supply of life force energy. If the life line is lightly traced in the palm the person tends to be more mentally oriented and observes life as a bystander with less enthusiastic involvement than the deeply etched life-lined person would exert. So the life force energy of a lightly traced or chained, or broken life line is more delicate. If the life line's pathway travels outward into the center of the palm, its owner will be more bold about life and want to explore the world. When the life line curves more closely and hugs the thumb the owner will be more likely to stay close to home and not be very adventurous about new things and changes in life.

The Head Line tells about how a person's intelligence is applied, how a person thinks and to a minor degree the well-being of the physical brain. The deeper and more clear this line the more potent the thinking processes of its owner. A thin delicate, islanded, chained or frayed head line tells you that the person is nervous, anxious, sensitive and indecisive, being too easily effected by arguments and the pressures of another's idea or will power. If the head line is short, the person is more instinctive and action motivated. If the head line is longer, the person is mentally oriented, wants to learn about many things, and has good mental focus. If the head line is more straight, the person is very logical, reasoning and wants the facts. If the line is sloping downward, the person is imaginative, creative and more sensitive. When there are deep dots or dents present on this line or islands sometimes this tells of headaches and possible physical problems with the brain itself. Other times such indications tell of mental frustrations and of "second guessing" one's abilities to decide properly.

The Heart Line tells about the owner's emotions and how they are expressed. The heart line can be looked at for health indications also. The heart line has a different starting point than the other palmar lines which start at the thumb side of the palm. The longer the heart line the more the emotion is present in the personality of the owner. If the heart line is straight the owner's emotions are ruled by the mind. They think before they speak. The curved heart line, like the one shown in the above image, tells of a person who is sentimental, intuitive and openly expresses their feelings. If the heart line is clear and deep the person is comfortable with their emotions. If the line is frayed, broken, chained or delicate the person is emotionally stressed and often moody. An island on this line at about the space under the ring finger area tells of eyesight problems.

The Fate Line is not always present in a palm. When it is present it helps the palmist time events in the client's life. The fate line tells all about a person's career pathway changes, independence, personal will power, and their ability to adapt to life's circumstances. If a hand does not have a fate line it is not bad like so many palmistry books have stated. It can mean the owner's life is dictated by the circumstances of their environment or by an overly possessive parent. However it can mean the owner is open minded, free wheeling and spontaneous about life and their pathway. When this line is present in it's full flow, like in the image above, the owner has a very balanced inner strength and guidance about life from within. If this line is broken it means a major life change, such as a physical move to another location, a job change, a relationship change or a complete career change, in life at the time of it's break. This is also true of a break in the life line.

The Sun Line has been considered the sign of great luck and success in the hand by many palmists. This line indicates talent about which you will have to look at the rest of the hand to determine its exactitude. It basically says that its owner has a special ability to make friends, money and earn a good reputation. A full line of Sun (unlike the one in the picture) starts at the base of the palm and travels up to and under the ring finger. This is a fortunate sign of creative successes or the self-confidence to make the most of inherited talents to gain possible fame in life. The line of Sun as it is shown in the picture is how it most commonly appears in a palm. Here it is short and located in the upper part of the palm. This indicates success comes later in life and that the person might be a late bloomer.

Reading the fate line

Line of Saturn = line of Fate

(A.) Marks the normal flow of this line and shows a full line of Saturn. This is universally seen as a good sign. It is representative of a good strong career in life and good strength of ingenuity to make things happen along the way. When there are breaks in this line, it shows when there are career changes and possible geographic changes. I always check out the life line to see if it shows any marks of change at about the same age. When considering age on this line it is said that birth is at the base of the palm and life flows on up the palm to end under the finger of Saturn. Teachers say that when considering age, it is best to think of where this line crosses over the head line to be about the age of 35 years. (C.) Shows a much shorter line of Saturn rising from the base of the palm and ending about at the head line. This demonstrates that a person's family may have given them support to be strongly focused in their early life, but as they age and go past the head line (35 yrs.. old) they seem to need the support of others to succeed or sometimes need help just to remain focused in order to truly follow through on their goals in life. However, I have seen the line of Saturn end at the headline as in C. in order to show that the person has been influenced by their family in a strong way, but as they get to about 35 yrs. of age they strike out on their own to do well. (B.) Shows a line of Saturn traveling from over towards the lunar or little finger side of the hand - starting on the mount of the moon - vertically traveling towards its ending under the first finger - the finger of Jupiter. This shows that with the help of others this person will achieve success and possibly fame in this lifetime. This line ending under Jupiter is seen in palms of, politicians, rock stars and famous athletes."

Reading her love life

When looking at hands as a whole it is interesting to note that most of the time it proves true that a person, whose backs of the hands appear veined and creased or rippled, delicately showing the bone structure, is very sensitive to and caring about the feelings of others. They tend to be romantic and sensitive to physical touch. When the back of the hand is smooth, fleshy or dimpled, the owner is warm hearted but may only enjoy sex just for fun. They will be concerned more with his or her own needs than those of a partner.

The raised and full mount of the Moon will tell you that the person is creative in their love life actions which makes them an interesting and intriguing partner and lover. The raised mount of Pluto allows for them to rebound from difficulties in life so they are resilient as partners which tends to create longevity in the relationship that they embrace.

If the heart line is not present in the hand - (By this I mean that there is only one line traveling horizontally across the palm, called the line of Simian.) - this traditionally raises concerns about the emotional nature of its owner. It isn't that they have don't have feelings, it is just that they aren't comfortably balanced about the expression of their feelings. The line of Simian is a blend of the head and heart lines. There are periods of time when the line of Simian person may be very overly emotional and then at other times be almost devoid of any emotion or sympathy. So the owner of such a line usually tends to be more mental in their approach to love. This makes them think through their emotions giving them the sense that they are in control with their feelings about their "significant other". They will also be naturally oriented towards being more concerned about the practical matters of their relationship, such as money, position, or the career of the partner or themselves and how these matters will help the relationship they enter to be fulfilled. The line of Simian is often seen in the palm of a person who is gifted mentally even to the point of genius. They are very often materially successful individuals.

A clean heart line that has no breaks, islands, x's, cross bars, etc is a good sign demonstrating an emotionally balanced person. Where the heart line shows a break in its flow - this indicates a time when the person may suffer an emotional crisis- such as a breakup with their lover or the ending of an affair, any break is a sign of an emotional sorrow or shock. Timing on the heart line is like this - birth is at the start of the line under the little finger. The age of 20-25 is at about the area under the space between the little and ring fingers. This gives you the timing gauge for the rest of the line. Marks of puffy redness on the heart line shows the person is open to periods of passionate emotional energy which can be overwhelming to others. These marks indicate the owner can be easily blinded by passion. The depth into the palm at which the heart line is located can indicate the depth of emotion the person is capable of expressing and feeling. The deeper into the palm it is placed the more likely the owner is to be very aware of emotional feelings and their outward expression. (See (D) for a deeply placed heart line and (E) for the space of a shallow placement of the heart line in Figure # 4.)

Reading the line of heart

"The Line of Heart is the uppermost deep groove in the top portion of palm running beneath the fingers. It tells the way an individual relates to others through friendships and loves, and why. It reveals the emotional and spirtual attitude of People, and tells how they feel toward themselves, because of their outward attitudes. The line at its best should be clear and deep, but not more outstanding than the line just below it--the Line of Head. When both of these lines are about the same in depth and color, it shows a balance between the head and heart. When one is far deeper, and more evident than the other, it indicates either that a person is ruled by his or her heart, or by his or her head. When it sits high on the palm, the person makes good, loving choices. Farther down, and closer to the Line of Head, it can indicate childhood problems leading to distorted ideas of love and friendship.

The Line can display small branches sweeping upwards or drooping downward from it. Upwards indicates the natural flirt, and downward trouble with the opposite sex, or the sex of choice. A pale, broad line illustrates a noncaring attitude toward others, particularly in matters of love. A clear, deep line, presents energy and vitality in affairs of the heart. Breaks in the Line of Heart show disappointment in love and friendship. A chained Line of Heart, which is one made up of tiny island formations, speaks of someone who doens't trust others, especially in matters of love. These people often go from relationship to relationship, unable to establish any lasting connection. Sometimes, the chained formation will appear in only a small portion of the line, indicating that the person is able to overcome his or her mistrusting nature.

Forked lines, either at the beginning of the line, which starts about an inch or so beneath the little finger, or at its ending, near the other side of the palm in a variety of positions, indicates an independent nature. Where the branches head tell another story. When a branch, or fork from the Line of Heart heads toward the index finger, it means the person has very high ideals, particularly in a mate. They expect a greal deal from the other person, but, in return, are supportive and loyal.

When a branch heads toward the middle finger, the person is moody, and sometimes tempermental in the company of others. However, they often desperately want the security of a lasting relationship. Dual branches, or forks, that rest both on the index finger, and the middle finger shows individuals who truly wants to establish deep relationships, but who have trouble relinquishing any part of their independence. Forks at the opposite end of the line, beneath the little finger, add strength to the line, if those branches are fairly deep, and free of any drooping hairlines.

Ending beneath the index finger, the person is idealistic, but loving. If it swings up into the finger, though, the person can be demanding of others. A short line, ending near the ring finger, means the individual is stunted in his or her affections."

Reading the mount of Venus

by Angela M. Mattey

Palmists look at the palm as a terrain. So can you. Hold your hand palm up and flat in a perpendicular position to your face in front of you and at eye level. When observed from this position the palm looks like an earthly terrain with high hills (mounts) and valleys. Palmists have names for each small region of this terrain in the palm. Usually one of the larger mountains is what palmists call the "Mount of Venus" which connects the thumb area to the rest of the palm. This is the area I have traced with the dotted line.

Within this area- the Mount of Venus - I have marked a grid of intersecting lines with an arrow pointing to it from the letter "A". The mount of Venus area of the palm is devoted to one's love of life and sometimes shows a fullness to symbolize the depth of love of life. When this mount is high, fleshy and very full, the person is full of passion for: life, most of the events that happen in their lives and the people who are within their life. The grid or grille as palmists would call this design found at "A" in figure # 3a, can tell you that you have "walled off " your heart from others lessening your attraction to connect with happiness both internal and external. This grid is usually not found on a high or full mount of Venus. This guarding of the heart, could be happening because you are still attached to someone from the past. If this grille design is simple - which means it is made up of just a few vertical and horizontal lines - it can mean that you are devoted to your present love interest and your heart is dedicated to that person alone. If you are not presently in a relationship the grid could symbolize bars, like the bars of a jail cell, where you keep your heart hidden and safely locked away because you are not sure you can trust someone or yourself in a heartfelt and committed relationship. This type of grid can cause great stress in any new relationship once it is underway and certainly can prevent a good relationship from ever getting started.

I like looking carefully for alphabet letters and designs that appear in the Mount of Venus area of the palm to help me read questions about love. Sometimes there are one or more initials of the client's "significant other" shown here. If you notice there is an initial "T" in the area of the mount of Venus next to the grid in my design of figure # 3a. The "T" noted here is an example of what could be the initial of the first, middle or sir name of the intended love either presently available or upcoming into your life.

A sample of reading routine

Usually the dominant hand is read. But should you wish to hold both of her hands, modify your approach in the following manner:

Non-dominant hand - the inner potential of the person
Dominant hand - the actual manifestation and realization of that inner potential

An example routine

Describe her to her according to what you know about the various lines

1. Try to include qualities you've learned about her after having elicited her values and watching her behaviour in general, find the corresponding lines in her palm and show them to her. You can also use the collection of phrases below.

2. Predict something good/positive, don't forget to show her, how you draw your conclusions.

3. Keep holding her hand, look her in the eye, kiss her fingers.

4. "People may know each others' mind, but they don't really know each other until their bodies get to know each other":) Don't go overboard!:)

Collection of phrases - dreamer, open, passionate, sensitive, adventurous, positive (add to this list). The phrases themselves are meaningless, elaborate on each phrase and describe the word through describing the feelings of a person that can be called "a dreamer" or "passionate". But don't shoot in the dark, make sure you know what you're talking about - hopefully you did at least some value-eliciting before you jumped into palm reading:)

A few simple examples of reading lines:

If she has two fate lines, for example if her fate line is broken mid-hand and another starts running parallel to it, see at what age it happens and voila, you've got a story:) Don't forget to show how you draw your conclusions or else she might suspect you of BS-ing, but show her the corresponding lines and she'll think ITS PURE GOLD AND THE ROCK-SOLID TRUTH:) "You'll stay on your chosen career path up to the age of about 30, then you'll find a new passion and finally switch over to it at the age of about 35." Simple:) So OK, we didn´t evoke any specific feelings, but believe me, the simple fact that a man that CAN PREDICT HER FUTURE is HOLDING HER HAND will make her feel everything tightening up you-know-where:) A break in the line of fate can also mean a change of geographical location, so you could also bring travelling, working or living abroad etc into play:)

If her fate line breaks up at the base of her palm and/or interacts/intersects with the life line (which very many people have by the way) you can say the following (this is taken from www.spirit-eagle.com, but I really cannot recommend the site - it's all full of advice how to "contact your guardian angels and spirits" etc, very messed up stuff:): "(showing her) This means that early in life you experienced some family situation that made you have responsibility as a child. So much so, that you were given duties or existed in a situation where you had to let go of part of your childhood and be in an adult like role. But this usually gives you something nice later in life. Because you had to give up part of your childhood you are given extra life energy support later in life to survive a tough or a difficult experience with more ease and protection." From a patterning point of view, this "childhood problem" theme was not too great. Should you however show her the appropriate lines in her hand, and she actually did have some childhood problems (and who us didn't?:), you have instantly become very close to her - close to her heart and soul, which is a very good place to continue from:)

On the whole though, these are hardly examples you can memorise and use - they are only supposed to give you the general idea of how you could conjure up your own stories.

A few closing words from dead-serious palmists: "As a palmist, your attitude is of great importance. Never try to "second guess" your subject by adding on-the-spot observations and facts you may know beforehand but which are not shown in the palm. If you are reading the palm; read the palm and only that. Ideally you should know nothing whatsoever of the person you are reading. Their hands and your intuition should be enough. Anytime you are meeting someone for the first time, you can pick up a tentative and often very useful first impression of their personality by unobtrusively glancing at the lines of their hand."

But if that doesn't work, we'll just ask for her hand... so that we can get "an impression of her personality":)

Club/dancing

Night-clubs vs other places to meet girls

(Adapted from Ross Jeffries' newsletter): "Bars, night-clubs and "night" spots? Well, if you want to waste you're money, go ahead. Women in these places are far more "uptight", far more likely to be very picky about who'll they'll talk to, and plus you'll probably have to spend some money to get in or stay in. Far better places to meet girls are libraries, parks, coffee-shops and various spots around college campuses. Should you still be a college student yourself and have access to college-premises - boy are you (and all the college-girls you have access to:) in luck:). Think back a minute to when YOU were in college or high school. Did you enjoy studying? Did you like cramming? Or would you welcome virtually any opportunity to put the damn book down and do something more fun, like talk to an interesting, mesmerising stranger?"

Should you still opt for the classic "clubbing" (harvesting night clubs for girls), keep in mind that your chances are much higher in clubs with mainstream music (played by most radio stations), where the girls are much more likely to hang out secretly wanting to meet a man who would give them the satisfaction of a lifetime, as opposed to clubs with rave and techno-music, where a lot of the girls are there just to get high by listening and dancing to the hypnotic beat (with the possibly added effect of using drugs), which often makes them pretty much ignore everything else around them - including you.

A few words in favour of night-clubs by Johnny Shack : "This is the place to find single women more so than anywhere else in the world. Nightclubs are reputable for being pick up joints and I don't think I'm telling you anything new. Most clubs with age groups above 18 are very popular and have women (beer) on tap. There is the traditional young persons clubs and then the over 30's and sometimes 40's places. Especially at the older places you do not find women going there with there husband or boyfriend because they are there to get laid or to find a long term partner."

How to switch to the right mindset

Want a laugh? Check this out - "If I stand around long enough, maybe something will happen." Now take a look around in a night-club:) See all those guys - standing or sitting, waiting? Now you know what they're thinking:) Pathetic:) Now go get all the girls:) In an everyday situation, those same guys are not specifically waiting for something to happen, they are simply oblivious. Pathetic again:) But what do you do? That's right, again, you go get all the girls:)

In a night-club situation, now that you've had your laugh, whatever you do - don't join all the goofs standing or sitting and just watching the girls on the dance-floor! All that herd of chumps waiting and twiddling their thumbs is known as "death row", now you don't want to join them, do you!?

Once you're in the door, it's action-action-action and worshipping the 3s rule. Sounds tough? No, you'll actually make it easier on yourself, especially considering the alternative - going home alone with a headache, remembering all the beautiful girls you only SAW and sleeping with your hand:)

Asking for a dance

This one is tough.Ideally you should never encounter a situation where you'd have to "ask" for a dance. It is best to try any of the alternatives provided below before resorting to the demeaning and supplicating "Would you like to dance with me?".

You can use Mr Smooth to start a dance with a group of girls. Or be on the dance-floor by yourself manoeuvring into position with a girl / a group of girls dancing by themselves. Or you can dance near the edge of the dance-floor and pull any girls passing by to dance with you. Or you can act like you already know the girl, take her hand, nod towards the dancfloor and say "well, come on!:)". If she seems reluctant, you go "oh, come on!:)". If she says "I'm tired", BOOM, you're in a conversation (you didn't even notice that, did you?:). "Tired? Well, not that you mention it, this place is a little crowded/noisy. Why don't we go to someplace quieter where we can talk and you can relax:)" If you let go of her hand in the meantime, grab it again and guide her to a nice and quiet little corner you've already checked out before:)

Or - you can go the classic AFC way of asking a girl for a dance. If she says yes, great! If however she refuses, you're out of luck. You can try and salvage the situation by joining her for a conversation but she has refused you once already so a come-back will be that much harder to do. Or you can just move on, but remember - having other girls see you get rejected diminishes your chances with them even further. Which could result in the ultimate humiliation of moving from girl to girl and asking for a dance and being turned down all the way until you run out of girls:) Ok, the latter is unlikely, someone WILL eventually dance with you, but most probably that someone will be (yep, you guessed it:) - an UG!:)

Ideally, rejection should never happen, for if you've had a chance to talk to her in a meaningful manner before, she is already dying to have a little kino and grinding with you on the dance-floor:) But amongst the deafening and blinding circumstances of a typical night-club, this can be hard to do. So she just takes you by face-value, and its gonna be a yes or no.

Also, when doing an all-out "asking for a dance", some annoying factors might come to play, over which you have very little control owing to the approach you have chosen. She might be tired, waiting for a friend in a designated spot, just doesn't dance, her boyfriend is just around the corner. All these factors really have no bearing should you choose an approach which also incorporates demonstrating value and personality (beyond having the guts to ask for a dance). In which case "waiting for a friend" or "being tired" are quickly out the window... plus some more time with you and the "boyfriend" might share the same route:)

But without having been able build rapport with her and make her crave for you, you really don't have too many options - maybe thank her, maybe ask her "how about later?" (yea right) or ask her "mind if I join you for some conversation?", nah, these all suck to high heaven, better just move on to the next girl.

Theoretically, you might still stand a chance with her once she sees the girl that was smart enough to agree to dance with you having the time of her life:) But whatever you do, don't stand there and aggravate her by arguing with her as to why she won't dance with you. Forget her, move on, there's a better-looking and smarter girl (for she knows to appreciate your invitation:) right behind her, and YOU are what she's been waiting for all her life:) Or at least this evening:)

How about when the girl you want to dance with is already dancing with somebody else? Here's a trick by Vilius which might just work, especially if she is bored with him and he is only a clueless chump. Don't use it on a really good friend though, that just wouldn't be right. But as for the rest, here goes: "First of all you must be with a good sense of humour and not be afraid to be "bad". You see your friend or an acquaintance (or any other clueless chump, doesn't really matter) dancing with the chick you want. Just come to the pair and interrupt them by taking over the MALE partner and just start to dance with him. Usually, the chick won't go anywhere and it'll take just a couple of seconds to feel the rhytm. After some 30 seconds you can just turn around, grab the girl, gently pull her a few feet away and continue dancing with her. Easy, funny trick;)".

About dancing

If dancing isn't specifically what you came to do in a night-club, then dancing isn't really what you should be concerned with. Dance your dance, then extract her to a quiet and private place and start working your magic:) You could of course get some initial attraction already going on the dance floor if your moves are good - smiles, eye-contact, maybe even some initial kino - but then again, maybe not. You know your stuff and you know it works, but dancing can only be helpful at best, it is not the way of achieving your goal. So have fun dancing, but keep your ultimate goal (be it a #close, a *close, feeling her up or tonguing her down, making her come right there in the club or taking her home with you:) in mind.

The exception to this rule are the so-called kino girls. They LOVE being touched and they love to touch you in return. Should you happen to hit the dance-floor with a girl like that - don't leave, keep dancing, have fun holding and grinding each other:) Once the touching and kissing gets really intimate, you can change venues and no excess talk is needed:) Chances even are, she woulnd't be very receptive to any "talking" strategies anyway - while you are busy patterning or eliciting values, all she is thinking is: "Why isn't he touching me? Why does he just keep talking?".

As for the rest of the girls, the amount of time you need to spend on the dance-floor depends on how well you dance. If you're good, dancing is an easy way of attracting girls - you can easily slip in with the most beautiful of girls on the dance-floor plus have everyone else on and off the floor check you out. If however you are average, do as suggested in the beginning - do your dance, then move to a quieter place to have a soul-to-soul, heart-to-heart and eventually a body-to-body discussion:)

Jake Thomson, ASF: "A woman I know & trust advised me one time that in her humble opinion, if man can't dance, he probably can't fuck either. Think about it. Being able to dance well demonstrates that you are comfortable in your body and know how to use it with precision and control. I know from my own experience, limited though it may be, that if a woman can't dance - she generally can't fuck very well either. If she dances well, it's a pretty good bet she knows how to fuck also. So it's one of my tests for fuckability."

Dancing is an ancient pre-copulation ritual. It has been and in many parts of the world is still being "officially" used (some tribes in Africa, South-America) as the primary criterion for selecting a partner to copulate with. Unofficially though, you can see the same thing happening each night in every club/bar:) So one more reason NOT to waste your energy on dancing unless you know how to dance. Or one more reason to LEARN to dance:)

Slow dancing

Slow dancing is another exception to the "you-didn't-come-here-to-dance" rule (see "About dancing" for the first few exceptions). It is a most excellent way of getting some more intimate kino started. If you hear a slow-dance coming up, don't waste any time. Take the girl you're presently with to the dance-floor (unless you're in the middle of a pattern and she is about to fly higher and higher:) or if you're presently in that 3 second period of having #- and *closed one girl and not yet approached another (you haven't just been "hanging" around, not able to choose who to approach, have you?:), either immediately return to the girl you just closed or scope for a suitable target in your vicinity.

While-slow dancing, be bold yet sensitive. Be bold - hold her really close to your body, start rubbing her back with your hand. Be sensitive - watch her reactions, if she starts to rub your shoulders, neck or chest or starts grinding her crotch against yours (hmm:), its once again time for you to… be bold - begin kissing her neck work your way up behind the ear, then the ear lobe, then closer to the cheeks, then lips…:) At this pointing you can just pretty much forget about patterns, eliciting values and what not. You can either stay on the dance-floor some more and grind it slowly and keep kissing even during a fast song or move smoothly to a more private corner for some more petting. Eventually you could check if the bath-room is available:) Or suggest a change of venue:)

Fast dance to slow dance

You've seen them before - a guy and a girl on the dance-floor, ignoring all the other people diligently wiggling to the fast pace of the music and having a slow dance of their own, touching, kissing. A newly married couple on their honey-moon:)? Hehe, think again:)

Maniac High describes a dance-floor PU technique of turning a fast dance to a slow dance, and a slow dance to a... oh darn, he had to leave before he could find out:) Anyway, here's the step by step description. Maniac High ASF:

"The PU was done with virtually no talking at all. The setting was a disco playing regular fast paced disco dance music.

The guy and the girl make eye contact, and start dancing facing each other. He mirrors her dance moves, making eye contact. This happens for about 2 or 3 minutes.

He puts his arm on her side, to her back, lightly, and is dancing, still following her pace.

He puts the other arm on her other side to her back, but he does not pull her in.

Now he slowly runs both hands up her body, to her armpits, and then up her arms (he raises her arms up in the air).

Then when he reaches the tops of her hands, which are stretched out in the air, he (slowly), runs his hands down her body. His hands slowly slide down till they reach her ass. He doesn't grope it directly, but just they are above the top of her buttcheeks. The whole thing above (hands up to her hands, down to ass, is slow, takes about 1 or 2 minutes to travel the whole distance.

Also, now, he has slowed down his dancing, and is not really following the music anymore, and she has slowed down too, (he slowed her down by mirroring her pace, and then slowing down as his hands were running up/down). [3 minutes]

While his hands are on her ass, he moves his head in, and breathes softly on her neck. He does not try to kiss her.

His hands move up/down her back slowly, while his head moves around her neck/side of neck, him breathing slowly, closely. The chicks eyes start to close. She is going into trance. [3 minutes]

He moves his head and hands down her body, (still facing her), he like crouches down, slowly, as his hands travel down to her legs, then slowly moves up again, to her ass, and he is standing again, and is breathing on her neck/back again. [3 minutes]

He now repeats the hand up/down things above from the top of this list, and the breathing a couple times. Each time he pulls her in closer. She is going way into trance now. [4 minutes]

The last time he does the up/down hands thing, he raises his hands up to her hands in the air, and lets go, but leaving his hands up. This is her cue to now do the same thing to him, and she does.

She runs her hands up/down his body slowly now, like he did to her before a few times. She clearly likes this, a smile is on her face...

He turns her around (so her back faces his chest), and he does the same things again with the hands, this time from behind.. she gets confused, when he tries to turn her, so he just tells her to turn around, she loses trance state... He does NOT go for her tits/cunt, etc..nothing overtly sexual.. She is back in trance again. [3 minutes]

He turns her around again, so they are facing each other, and he is breathing on her neck/face. Now she is mirroring him and doing the same thing, breathing on his face/neck.

This goes on a long time.he makes her wait for the kiss, and she is goes more into trance, she is just hanging on to him now..he does not rush things at all. [3 minutes]

He starts breathing more on her cheeks, face, but does not kiss there... He continues until she is doing the same [2 minutes]..

She is doing the same now, and their lips are breathing on each others face. This continues for what I thought is a really long time before the kiss starts [4 minutes]

Finally, they slowly move closer lips together from each others lips. The lips lock, they kiss, and keep kissing... The kissing goes on for a really long time (15 -20 minutes)...

Around then I leave with my chick, and don't see the rest of it (I suspect he just took her home ;-) )

Maniac's analysis. There was no talking during the whole PU (expect where he makes her turn around), just the way he touched her got her going. Firstly, he did NOT rush things. Also, it was obvious to see her states changing when he was doing the Kino. He did not advance until her state was ready. This was obvious from looking at her (her eyes closing, her `hanging' on him, her following his dance pace, and NOT the music when he slowed down.). He made sure this happened before going to the next step. She was also helping him by following his `body rapport'. Some chicks will/won't in my experience. Also, he did nothing overtly groping/sexual, ie. He didn't kiss her neck/ears before the first kiss (not sure if this is good/bad yet..I think best to wait until she accepts you by the "real" kiss first, then move to those other parts)

[There's a choice to be made here - if a possibility of slight resistance can be expected, an initial neck/ear kiss is useful in slowly breaking down that resistance. If however not much resistance can be foreseen, abstaining from any kissing can really build up anticipation and pressure, so once the kiss finally takes place, it'll truely be a ride through the seven gates of heaven:)]

Didn't grab her ass in a groping way until the kiss/touch tits..etc. It was all very smooth and passionate looking until the kiss, without sexual groping/kissing neck/ears.. That is good, because it didn't scare her.

He also took his time..the whole kino session was like 30 minutes from start to end. He was going REAL SLOW, even his dance pace didn't follow the music..very SLOW MOTION movements, as the chick dephased from the music rhythm, to his. He was very conscious too what he was doing, eyes open, looking like an engineer as he worked the chick into trance.He'd close them though when she could see his face. It was clear he had done this before and was following the "cookbook".

He also made her wait for the kiss a bit, longer than I expected. It was good, he kept on touching her, / breathing really close to her, and that probably made her even more horny, making sure there would be no kiss rejection."

There you have it, from "never-met" to "newly-wed" in 30 minutes:)

After the dance

Goes without saying that you won't end the dance with saying "thanks" and walking away. You didn't come here to wiggle a little on the dance-floor:) But you also won't let her do the same. After the song ends and she seems to be willing to continue dancing with you, and unless she is a kino-girl (see "About dancing"), just take her hand and lead her to the table of your choice, somewhere where its relatively quiet and private. If it seems like she is about to bail, take her hand and say / whisper in her ear something in the lines of "I want to talk to you about something". Most probably she's gonna ask "about what?", just reply "I'll tell you when we sit down". From here on you can choose any of the strategies described in this guide.

If she is with a friend / a group of friends

She is the target. The friend is the obstacle. Be it male a female, so many AFC's make the fatal mistake of ignoring the friend / obstacle when making sweet-talk with the target. An ignored obstacle is pissed and getting more pissed all the time. Undoubtedly, the target's friends have much more influence over her than you could ever exert in 5-10 minutes, which means that when the pissed obstacles will eventually start interfering with your conversation, dragging your target away ("come on, we have to go home / to another place" etc.), talking with your target and ignoring you, making comments and just generally breaking the mood… you're dead meat. If you were good enough to make the target interested in you, she might be able to slip you her number while her friend is already dragging her out the door. But more likely than not, in an atmosphere poisoned by the pissed presence of the obstacle, you'll never have a chance with the target.

So now what? The only option is to befriend the obstacles before engaging the target. Make the target's friends - male, female, brothers, co-workers, whatever - your best mates before you move on to working you magic with the one that really drew you to their friendly circle in the first place. Have a good time doing it, make lots of friends, shake hands, be humorous, lift everyone's spirits. Make them laugh, feel good and like you:) Once you're done that, you can move to working your target without having to fear anything from your new-found buddies. Who, by the way, you have already negged by paying the least amount of attention to. This has gotten her intrigued about you as she's probably accustomed to being adored everywhere she goes:) But not by you, so either you're accustomed to beautiful women or there's something about her that you don't like, either way, she has got to find out, she has got to make you adore her, she is so accustomed to that, "why is she not paying attention to me!?", "gotta step up my efforts with this guy!", hehe:) (Don't forget to read Neghits explained and Neghits expansion pack:).

One more thing - once you've disarmed the obstacle / obstacles and engaged the target, and this is critical, you need to separate her from her friend / friends. If she is with a friend, you better have a wingman to keep the obstacle busy and help in the effort of separating them. Very many girls don't like to be seen kissing or touching someone in front of others / friends. They have the issue of reputation to deal with etc. But once you're in a private place, she's free to do whatever she wants without having to think "oh no, what's my friend going to think about this", "is she gonna tell anyone / my boyfriend / mom?" etc. Let's say you separated two friends, you're with one girl and your wingman with another girl someplace else. You and the girl have no idea what you're your wingman and her girl are doing. But that doesn't mean you can't imagine:) This is where it gets interesting - she's gonna think her friend is probably already making out and having all the fun, maybe even having sex already:) While her friend is probably thinking the same thing:) So being separated and not knowing what the other one is doing, both of them are much more receptive to all sorts of advances:)

Applied with a wingman: if your wingman and his girl seem to be getting along, tell your girl (without the other girl overhearing) that you should let those two be alone and leave. Your girl will certainly initially wonder, what you mean by that. "Open her eyes" with these:) - "Are you blind or something? Can't you see what they're up to? Or do you want to watch them:)? Don't you know how embarrassing it is when two people want to be alone and there's someone watching?". This should make her "understand" and now the two of you can leave. But the beauty of this is, that you leave with your girl thinking, that her girlfriend is gonna get some in a few minutes:) The girlfriend however sees the two of you leaving and can't help but think that you left so that you and your girl could go have some private fun:) Now that you've got both of them thinking, that the other one is going to get her brains screwed out in a few moments, neither of them wants to be left out in the cold - voila:)!

A simple variation of removing obstacles / negging the target, ASF: "You see HB and UG together - dance/talk/have fun with the UG instead, HB is surprised, jealous and starts making an effort. Perfect."

Mystery, ASF: "To get a 10 you NEED 7 and 8 girls to PAWN. Make them laugh and the 10 in the other group will take notice. Then enter the group and be the center. NEG the target while you address the rest of the crowd. Be so intersting that they ask YOU questions. NEG the ten again in front of the friends. Then once the group likes you, close in on the target with a mood of "ok ok, I'll let you talk to me". You are appealing to her emotions. She felt bad for being left out and then you GIVE IN and make her the center of attention."

Johnny Shack: "Remember: there is often some (usually ugly) sour womens liberation girl in a group, who will stuff the momentum up which is what leads to missing out on "story nights". So make note of not leaving her out of the conversation. This girl can be very influential as she will pull the morality strings of the group (which is the last thing you need out there in jungle warfare). Get her interested in you and let the games begin. Make that ugly and mouthy girl of tje group like you, this will allow the others to act their slutty selves."

Another example of getting a girl away from her friends from the SS-list (original poster requested anonymity): "Pardon the interruption.. I'd like to tell you something and which I know you'll enjoy more in private. Believe me.." (motion with your hand to the side or lead her with your open palm to the side. And then to her friends -) "Excuse me ladies.. I'll borrow her only for a moment" (Once she's outside the flock -) "..the reason I took you aside is that... (paaaaaaauuuuzzzz) all your friends there are beautiful, of course.. but there is something about you that absolutely stands out (besides her tits, but don't tell her that!).... and I just HAD to tell you that. (Shut up until she asks or shows curiosity, then -) (give her a sincere compliment that has nothing to do with her beauty, of course, then -} and I hope you're the type of woman who can tell the difference between a pickup (gesture away) and a sincere compliment (sp)". Give her a knowing look (which you can use later on as an anchor), and walk away!! She'll run after you!

Group Techniques

Approaching a group of many girls

ASF (DC_Guy, 1999/07/23): "I think groups of around 5 girls are fairly easy to approach. I don't think you have to entertain them ALL (this is valid if they're not all talking about the same thing but are rather segmented). What I do is I pick one of them... most of the time it's the one who seems the most bored and just start to chat it up... When I do an approach such as this.... RARELY will the other girls try to pull the girl away. Instead, it seems like it brings out the competitive spirit in the other girls... and then THEY will be the ones breaking OUR conversation and not the other way around. Now the girl you approach might not be very interested in you but as long as you look like your having a good time and your not getting completely blown off.... by god... IF THERE IS A GIRL IN THE GROUP WHO FINDS YOU ATTRACTIVE.. SHE WILL MAKE HERSELF KNOWN. She'll either give you very strong eye contact.... or she'll try to join into the conversation or she'll approach you.

I guess a good rule to follow is if you disturb a conversation... then you better befriend everyone that was in the conversation or they'll become an 'obstacle'. I think that's when you end up having the other girls pulling the girls away."

How to have her leave the group

By NightShadow. Mindlist:

"I see a hottie talking to all of her friends and I want to meet her.

[The following description is useless in this context, but it was *so much fun*, I just had to *leave it in*;)].

She is wearing a beautiful knee high skirt/dress, her lips are ever so caringly outlined with just the right amount of lip stick to accentuate her slightly pouty lips. An angels face with a bed devils grin. Nice round firm breast, tight and shapely ass, legs that scream to be spread like butter with your hot knife of pleasure.

Now, I bet half the guys on the list are going "WHAT WOULD YOU DO?", "She is with friends, you don't know her and she is that hot!?!?".

I would just walk up to her and talk to her. These are the kind of women that want attention. I casually, but politely walk up to her, usually from behind (I like to wisper in her ear), lightly touch her arm and say "may I talk to you for a minute?"

This is SO devious!!! It is the ultimate BREAK STATE, yet it is so nonintrusive that she WANTS to come talk to you. Her imagination will race and she will have no idea what you want to say to her. Even if she doesn't come over there (I give them about 2 minutes, make sure you either have a friend with you or friends near you so you can walk off easily) she will see you later and just HAVE to say something to you.

This tactic works INCREDIBLY at bars, parties, clubs, parks, marriages, seminars, church, gyms (you can go workout and not look like you are waiting), work, EVERYWHERE!!!"

If she says "But I can't leave my friends"

Not specifically relevant to the strategy described above, but still relevant to the general situation. If you're already alone with her in a public setting that she arrived at with her friends and now when you're ready to move to another venue ("Where are we going?" - "Club Myplace, you're gonna love it":) she comes up with the "But what about my friends?" line, then here's a suggestion by Johnny Shack:

"In a situation like that, you will have to keep the momentum going and cannot afford to break it because once you do you might find it very hard to get things rolling again. In response to the "What will happen to my friends" say somehting in the lines of "Don't worry about them. We haven't seen them for ages, so looks like they're not exactly worrying about you either. Besides, at this time of the night its every man for himself anyway:) Come on, let's go:)" Now grab her hand again, lead her outside and jump into a taxi:)"

"Neg Hits"

Neghits explained

Mystery, ASF (adapted):

"A 10 is there surrounded by friends. She has put on this BITCH act. Is she REALLY a bitch? Unlikely. All my girlfriends were wonderful human beings - beautiful people have it easier because they are beautiful and often times have better upbringings because of it. BUT - they need to have a standard with which to uphold when all these NOBODY guys approach her. So her values are very honed and understood. When a man walks up and says, "can I buy you a beer?" she WILL be annoyed by this. While the guy thinks he's doing something nice for her, she gets this ALL the time. She is desensitised to this. You are the 8th guy TODAY! So she is very good at brushing all these guys off. Shit, she HAS to be... she isn't going to sleep with ALL of them! So she may say NO or act annoyed and then the guy thinks she's a bitch and walks off pissed and feeling like a failure. And that seems to work. Sometimes when the girl is particularly in a feeling of control (like in a club where she is PREPARED for the barrage of men - it IS after all something that occurs so often that when it is GONE she MISSES it) she will accept the beer and then flake the guy off. Hey, the guys are stupid enough to buy her one, she might as well take it. When they take a beer from you, the girl is saying to you, "I don't know you and I don't care about you. You are just another one of those typical guys and since I don't respect you, Ill take the beer from you before I snub you."

Since a 10 is so GOOD at snuffing your approach (nothing ever personal either - it is a strategy that is built over years of stupid guys approaches EVERY FUCKING DAY, she will do the same to YOU. That is why SNUFFING THEM is important. You cant INSULT them because they are used to all the hurt guys INSULTING them ("ahh you are nothing but a bitch!") so this rolls off their back like water off a muskrats ass. How do you SNUFF them withOUT INSULTING them? Well, let's say she has long nails which are most likely fake. Now why do 10s dress so FINE if they don't want the attention? Because they LOVE the feeling of control sometimes. They are in a club with friends and they want to be the leader of the circle (social hierarchy in primates) and so she gets all the attention. The guys come and buy drinks for them and she gets off on knocking the guys down. Its all in a days play. Ok, so she is wearing fake nails to look even BETTER! Most guys will say, "wow you are so beautiful!" BORING, typical and in her mind by now (after years of the same shit) TRUE. Imagine a guy comes along and says "nice nails. are they real??" she will have to concede, "no. acrylic." and he says (like he didn't notice it was a put down "oh. (pause) well I guess they still LOOK good." Then he turns his back to her. What does this do to her? Well, he didn't treat her like shit and INSULT her. He complimented her but the result was to target her insecurity. She thinks, "IM HOT IM BEAUTIFUL (especially in that emotional state of control as in the public)... but I didn't win this guy over. IM SO GOOD at this. ILL just fix that little smear on my image that he has of me." then you continue to show disinterest in her looks as you give her a neutral topic like the Elvis script. During this her intention is to get you to become like all the other guys so she can feel in control and snuff you and you then give her another NEG HIT like this ... " is that a hair piece? well, its neat... what do you call this hairstyle? The waffle? :)" Smile and look at her to show her you are sincerely being funny and not insulting. You are pleasant but disinterested in her beauty. This will intrigue her because she KNOWS guys. And this isn't normal. You must have really high taste, or be used to girls or be married or something. These questions make her CURIOUS. So this keeps happening and is known as FLIRTING. She give you little neg hits and these tests are qualifiers. You pass them by neg hitting her back. After all, you aren't like the others showing interest. But... why? To get control again she says, "will you buy me a drink?" notice how she is trying to get you now! BUT, she only wants to sucker you in enough so she can SNUFF you. That is all she is about - this strategy is all she knows and it's not working for you so she is trying to do damage control on the situation. But at the same time she doesn't quite understand WHY you don't think you are great. After all, her nails ARE fake. You say, " ahhh, that's so funny ... you nose moves when you speak...... (pointing and being cute) look there it goes again ... its so... quaint ... hheeeee look " :D She'll say, "ahhh, stoppp!" :) *blush*. Now she is self conscious and having her in this state is where you want her. You have with 3 neg hits successfully created INTEREST (curiosity) and removed her from her pedestal (removed her bitch shield.) You were humorous, you had a smile, you dress well, you are confident and everything she would want in a man.

You didn't take her shit. OH, and when she asked you for a beer, you said, " no. I don't buy girls drinks. but you can buy ME one". You are qualifying HER now. If she buys you a beer, this is symbolic of her RESPECT for you.

If not you say, "pleasure meeting you" and turn your back to her again. DONT walk away, just turn your back. You are neg hitting them again just when they thought she was negging YOU. That is teasing each other. That is the first step to flirting. This is all textbook psychology.

A NEG HIT is a qualifier. The girl is FAILING to meet your high expectations. It's not an insult, just a judgement call on your part. The better looking the girl, the more aggressive you must be with using neg hits. A 10 can get 3 neg hits up front, while an 8 only 1 or 2 over a longer time. You CAN go overboard if they think you are BETTER than them You can drop the self-esteem right from under them (just like most 10s do to guys) and this isn't good. You have to get as close to the breaking point as you can without crossing the line. Once you have gotten her RIGHT THERE, you can start appreciating things about her (NEVER LOOKS). There is a mutual RESPECT now. Something most guys never get from the girl.

This is how you remove a bitch shield. 3 neg hits oughta do it within 2 or 3 minutes of neutral chat. Once it is down, you can from a mutual respect place, seduce her."

Neghits expansion pack

Use negs with 9s and preferably 10s only. Don't use a neg on a 7 or 8. The 7s and 8s know what they are - cute, sweet, pretty etc - but not drop-dead beautiful. Their confidence in their own beauty is only fairly high and it could easily be destroyed by a neg. Shaking their confidence too much and making them self-conscious could quite easily make them hate you instead of wanting to be down with you - and that's not what you want:) The 9s and 10s however KNOW they are beautiful - they've been told so all their lives; and then there's always the mirror to confirm that:) So your neg will confuse and intrigue them and maybe even shake their confidence a little bit, but only enough for them to fall from the clouds (which is where many 9s and 10s spend much of their time:) to the ground (which is where you are waiting for them:) Compare that to falling from the ground into a deep hole, which could easily happen to a 7 or 8 should you happen to neg her, and you'll see, why you should be very discriminative in your use of the neg.

The neg hit might backfire with a 9 or even a 10, if you use it when she's really down - in a self-defeating, self-conscious, "I'm probably just a 7 or a even 6" mood:) Be sensitive to her mood and if, for whatever reason, she seems to be really suffering, forget the neg. Be the one to bring her out of her darkness, treat her like a 6 or a 7 that she feels she is at the moment, meaning cheer her up and compliment her _without_ any embedded negs, but be careful - the 9 or 10 in her is only in suspended mode and once you re-activate it, unless you change to humorous negging right away, you'll end up being another supplicating chump - you get a hug and then she walks away to find herself a MAN.

When you neg, ALWAYS present it as a compliment - be charming, friendly, positive, earnest and sincere in your "compliment":) If you present your neg as a deliberate insult you come off as a jerk (which however is a good excuse to "apologise" by giving her a hug and a kiss to "make up" for your insult:). Being a jerk of course could be a turn-on for some girls, but more often than not, it is a turn-off. Which doesn't mean that being a nice guy is your goal, in fact that's usually an even bigger turn-off. When you fall into the "nice" and eventually the "Let's Just Be Friends" zone, you'll wish you would have fallen into the "jerk" zone, that way you would at least have had some sort of a chance of doing a comeback. So avoid being a "jerk" or a "nice guy" - just take the best of both worlds and neg her with a "compliment":)

Example 1 of using a neghit
ASF: "When you see a HB and she snuffs you ... tell her you think her dress is very nice (something she has heard before) and then tell her you remember seeing her at a club before and she was wearing the same dress. It IS nice though. :) Whether or not you ever saw her before, you can ASSUME she HAS been social before and that she was wearing the dress before. This deflates her INSTANTLY and puts you in control."

Example 2 of using a neghit
Guy: What do you do?
Gal: Oh, I'm a model.
Guy: Oh yeah, your hair looks kinda nice... / Oh, like a hand model or something?

Example 3 of using a neghit
Mystery: "If you are in a bar and you approach a girl, she basically KNOWS you want to fuck her. You have to somehow convey that you didn't come for sex but because you are talkative about some even MORE interesting than HER. The only thing from you that can make a 10 NOTICE you is if you show her she doesn't matter to you in the slightest... that is a NEG"

Negging before kissing. Daniel, ASF: "I love the little gem by mystery where he said to neg a girl before kissing her, now how devious is that? You make her feel self conscious and then you relieve the very feelings you caused:)"

Examples of negging a beauty. (Only for use with 10s or 9s who simply HAVE to know they ARE beautiful, any less beautiful girls can easily be destroyed by these!) After you've negged her looks in some manner, follow up with:

"You are really interesting, or at least you're not THAT ugly."

"No really, I've seen uglier girls"

"Well, at least you should be lucky to have a good body [to compensate for whatever it was you negged]"

More neghits
Dan Scorpio, ASF:

"You are nearly as tall as me. I like tall girls (LIFT). Are those heels 4 or 5 inches (DROP)?"

Mystery, ASF:

"You blink alot"

"Your nose wiggles when you talk:)"

"Weren't you wearing this dress the last time you were here?"

"Excuse me... may I finish my sentence first?"

"Oooh... Sick... You just spit on me!" (when the girl is talking to you).

ASF:

· "Your hair looks kinda nice"

Challenge
Mystery, ASF:
YOU: "I don't think we should get to know each other."
HER: "Why?"
YOU: "I think you are just too much of a NICE GIRL for me."
HER: (whatever, it doesn't matter because she will try for you now)

Eliciting Values

Eliciting values explained

Introduction. The point of eliciting values is to find out what she wants in and from a man and then turn into that man of her dreams by providing her with it. But don't be fooled, if she says she wants her man to be tall and financially secure, you're not going to the doctor to get implants for your legs or rob a bank. What she gave you were means values, which means that tall in itself does nothing for her - what matters to her is how a tall man by her side makes her feel. And this is the key - for each means value you need to find out the ends value, which is what she really wants. Let's take the example of a tall man. Asking her "and how does a tall man make you feel?" might reveal that it makes her feel secure and protected! Aha! That's what she really wants! She wants to feel protected and secure, not a "tall man" per se. In practice, she'll reject a tall man that doesn't make her feel protected and secure right away, whereas you, who you might not be tall at all but can make her feel secure and protected, have just elicited your way to her pants:)

Means Values vs Ends Values. Know how she recognises means values and what they mean to her (honest, kind and respectful in this example). Jake Thomson, ASF: "You learned what qualities she likes in a man - means values. Go for the ends values. Means values aren't worth as much as you think. Find out what emotions she experiences by being with someone who is honest. Repeat for kind, repeat for respectful. Secondly, find out how she knows someone is honest, kind, & respectful. She gave you 3 nominalizations that have a specific meaning to her, but NOBODY else. On the face of it, you've got no fucking clue what the hell she's talking about. If you hallucinate that you understand what honest, kind & respectful means to her, you've got a better chance of eating a can of beans and farting your way to the moon."

Ends Values = Desired State. A post by Mr Happy, ASF: "For the benefit of those who are confused about eliciting values, here is better terminology: You want to find out a chick's DESIRED STATES and TRANCE WORDS.

M: So, what is important to you in a relationship?
H: Well I like tall guys. (Means Value)
M: *nod* And what feeling does that allow you to experience when you are with a tall guy?
H: Well it makes me feel safe and protected (Ends Value aka Desired State)

I think that the term DESIRED STATE is more clear and accurate than Ends Value. You want to discover which states that she likes to feel, so that you can create those states in her. In the above example, it doesn't really matter at all if you are tall, as long as you can make her feel safe and protected. So run a pattern that creates those feelings in her mind. (Of course this is done by naming the state and then describing its process...you guys know that already, right?). Note...a few common states that normally are important for every woman are comfort and safety, emotional connection, then horniness. If you only get the first part, you are a friend. If you get the second part (connection) then she will probably do the third part herself.

The important part is NOT what she says she wants (tall men, rich men, etc.). The important part is the FEELING that she experiences when she is around (tall men, rich men, etc). As long as you can discover the feelings that are important to her, and create them in her mind, she will associate those feelings with YOU."

An excerpt of Don Diebel's advice on not to talk about yourself but her: "By talking about her, you learn more about her which will be valuable to you in planning a strategy. Also, it is a subject she will be comfortable with. By not talking about yourself, you let your image speak for itself. And don't forget, the less women know about you, the more women want to know about you. Be a man of mystery."

But only as long as you don't know, what she wants in a man. As soon as you have that (you just didn't let her speak about herself while letting your thoughts wander, you also listened intently, right?:), become that man.

(Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":) "Do not try to create a market for your product just because you think it's a great product. Find a product that the market demands and you will be successful. Fill a need and you can't go wrong."

NYC, ASF: "[Eliciting values so as to really make her think and fetch those answers from deep within her] is one of the major differences that will get you noticed. MOST guys go "so did you have both of your parents" and she says "no" and they say "look... there's a movie playing... wanna go?". They ask questions that don't tell them ANYTHING about the chick and then ask them out... in effect, they are fucking up their FLUFFING because they are NOT distinguishing her from any other chick, although they THINK they are.

Learning about her as a person is much deeper than light questioning, and the thing that turns chicks on the most is when they BELIEVE that you are into them because of some UNIQUENESS that they have. Something you see in them ONLY that you don't see in other women and which makes them extremely attractive to you. They think that men that are attracted ONLY to bodies are dogs, etc. By your deeper questioning, you seperate yourself from the other suitors because you make them THINK. You make them DIG for answers. They FEEL differently after baring their soul to you than after telling you where they got their hair done and how much it cost".

NYC, ASF: "I go back to childhood and find out what they missed out on or wanted. I find out what they want now and what they desire for their futures. I cover EVERYTHING then I CRAFT the VESSEL I need to get into her. I make MYSELF a COMBINATION of all the things that she doesn't know she craves. There is NO RESISTANCE to this. NONE! She can't resist because all she knows is that I am talking about some abstract ideas or another woman and it strikes a chord within her... "that's exactly how I want to be treated by a man" "that's exactly what I want in a man" "Is this guy for real?" what she doesn't know is that she TOLD ME HOW TO SEDUCE HER and I have embedded this knowledge inside my language and STAY ON COURSE. I bombard her with good feelings and ALWAYS avoid bad feelings. When I do my work, I may not get laid, but I am NEVER FORGOTTEN!"

Everyone has a need. Find and fill that need, an explanation by Jobet Claudio, Mindlist:
"In my observation, the mere adoption of the following rules can supercharge your own attitude towards being a great seducer.

Rule 1. People, all people, to include supercelebrities and ultra-gorgeous women, have desires. That seems like stating the obvious, but think about it. Even Bill Gates I bet, wishes he could do something different, that would fulfill him and he's not getting it now. He aches for something... craves for something... That's the same with ultra-gorgeous women, or women in general. They may have an army of suitors, they may be sleeping on the finest velvet sheets, etc etc. But believe me, all people, gorgeous women included, ache for something. They have a heartfelt desire for something. That "something" may vary from adventure to feeling freedomm, to feeling respected (for the less secure ones), to feeling pampered, to feeling like a little girl again. It can be a large variety of things. But make no mistake about it. Everyone "aches" for something.

Rule 2. And this is cliche'. Find out what it is. Be sensitive. You can pick this up in the small cues that she leaks out. Be intelligent in structuring your questions to be such that you can uncover nice pieces of data. What you're looking for is "something" that she always wanted that she's not getting right now, something she "aches" for, but can't have due to some life circumstance or something like that. It can be anything. Once you know what it is, you can either you "fill" the void by using language patterns or "transform" yourself into the person that fits that criteria/desire/longing.

Rule 3. Fill that "void" that you've found. Use linguistic patterns to achieve this. If she talks about the need for respect, say something like "what if... we were living in a different dimension... or a different planet... and in that planet... everything you see, is everything you want to see... and in that place... you see all the people, giving you all the respect you ever wanted... now doesn't that feel nice?"

Rule 4. This is cliche as well, but anchor the fulfillment of the need to (guess who?)... to you! For example "Isn't it nice if you could experience all of that... with me, now I think it would be real grand if you could!"

Keep doing that a couple of times and soon enough you'll be her perfect man.

Example: One woman I was *not* really seducing leaked out that she misses her father (who died long ago). I then took that tack and talked about how good it feels to be a little girl sitting on daddy's lap and embracing him, and asking for the small "gifts" like a pony or things like that. Gosh...it worked. But it would have even been better to ask her what her father was like, to ask for small cues, like how her father talked, what he used to say to her, what did he make her feel and etc etc. Then, using that information and your power of acting, subtly "transform" yourself into her daddy. It might seem sneaky and underhanded to use her own desires to dangle the carrot she's always wanted but lets frame it this way - we're just finding out what can make a person happy and giving it to them."

Seducer... Romancer... these guys are the guys who know how to please, aim to please and live to please (though this does not imply supplication- no woman ever wanted a man she could easily control). These guys are the guys who know how to fill a need. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has a hole. Fill it. [Now did I detect some double meaning in that last statement... or am I just completely corrupt?]"

Trance words explained

When you are eliciting her values or letting her describe her feelings while patterning, listen intently to what she has to say and more importantly, what words she uses to express herself.

The words she puts particular emphasis on or repeats frequently are her so-called trance words. This means that by using the very same words she uses you will be able to tap directly into her consciousness and subconscious. After all, those are the words she thinks with and is most familiar with. And hearing you use them, she feels you understand her so completely, you are like a soul-mate, and whatever you say to her is much more likely to be understood and most importantly - liked by her:)

A rough implementation of using trance words would be to take what she tells you and feed it back to her in a slightly different robing using her personal trance words. But when I say rough, I don't mean that its not working - the fact that it just doesn't have much style, doesn't mean that it isn't deadly effective:)

A more sophisticated approach would be to listen to and remember her trance words. And use them a little later:) And maybe in a slightly different context:) But the difference between this and the first method is only subtle - here you just have to use a little more imagination and have a good memory:)

An example:
You: "If I were to ask you, what's the most important thing in a relationship, how would you describe it to me?"
Her: "I want a man who makes me feel comfortable with myself" (you remember "feel" and " comfortable")
You: "Wouldn't it be nice if you could spend time with a man who makes you feel like you could let down your guard and just be comfortable? Whose voice soothed and at the same time stimulated you? I get the feeling that this could happen to you right now, with me."

Calibrate the girl

Before you can start making the girl feel good, elicit and interpret her values, reflect them back to her, experience states of pleasure and hornyness etc, you have to know how to interpret her specific signs of feeling either good, bad or neutral. You can of course guess that a smile or "doggy-dinner-bowl-look" are good and a yawn and a frown of boredom are bad, but the signs are not always that clear. So in order for you to be able to acquire more accurate data on how the girl is reacting to each theme you bring up, question you ask or direction you go with the conversation, you shall first have to calibrate her for her reactions.

Jake Thomson, ASF: "Find out, by asking, what she looks like when she agree's with something. Find out, by asking, what she looks like when she disagrees with something. Find out, by asking, what she looks like when she's nuetral about something.

Make a game out of it. Tell her you're practicing to be a 'psychic' and you want her to help you. Ask her to think of something she whole heartedly, enthusiastically, and strongly agrees with. It's irrelevant if she tells you what it is, matter of fact, it's better if she keeps it to herself. Then ask her to think of something she feels nuetral about. Observe what she does. Repeat this cycle two more times. Then have her think of something she wholeheartedly, enthusiastically, and strongly disagrees with. Go to neutral, and repeat two more times.

Next, ask her to think about anything she wants, and you, based on your careful observation, will tell her if she agrees, doesn't care, or disagrees with. Play that game for a while, then drop it, and move on to something else for a while."

According to Jake Thomson, you should use this to progress to doing a cold-reading of her palm (that is without any knowledge of palmistry) or analyze her handwriting etc by feeding her something and either deepening it if she shows signs of agreement with it or moving on to something else is she is showing signs of disagreement. But the principles of calibration described are applicable on a far larger scale than just as prep-work for a gimmick.

NYC, ASF: "I would always wonder why guys would ask "how do you know when she..." because in general, I ALWAYS KNOW! The reason I know is I basically give them a "lie detector" test before sarging them. What I mean is that I deliberately, yet naturally in the course of conversation say things that I KNOW will push them in a direction.

I notice how they are normally... then when they mention their pet cat or something, I might say "did your cat ever get hurt?" and watch her face change and her body change when she considers her cat getting hurt. Then I might say "Does your cat wake you up in the morning?" and watch her change to that too. Not those sentences or topics in particular, but since I don't talk BULLSHIT FLUFF with chicks, I get them going in all directions before sarging... unless it's just time for caveman kino:)

Anyway... by the time I am ready to move on them, I KNOW how they react to good stuff and bad stuff. When I QUOTE to a chick about getting a blowjob from some other chick in the past, she might THINK she is not reacting to what I said, but she is going through the same changes as thinking about her cat when she considers her mouth around my dick. She is either going to have the "happy" reactions or the "sad" reactions or the "I don't give a FUCK about what he just said" reactions. I always know when I am moving physically closer to a girl if she WANTS me to do it, is LETTING me do it, or HATES me doing it... before she even speaks. When I move toward her, she has to consider what I am coming over there to do, and it is OBVIOUS to me how she FEELS about it without her saying what she feels about it. This makes me look like a fucking CHAMPION because I seem to "sense" what she's feeling without her telling me. "We are so in tune blah blah blah...".

I think this idea is PARAMOUNT! If you can't judge what the chick is feeling... basically that is... pro, con or neutral... you are way behind in the game."

Eliciting values - introducing the questions

In order to accomplish eliciting values properly, you need her to provide you with her core values and in order for her to be able to do that, you need to ask the right questions. For example, you could start with:

"I think its an absolutely fantastic feeling to get to know another human being. And what's really stimulating, is to learn what someone else thinks of major issues revolving around us in this world… and discovering what's important for her in life. So if I were to ask you, what do you really value and what's important to you in a relationship, what would you answer?" If she replies with ends values (feeling loved, understood) - bingo! Be the one to make her feel that (by incorporating that into talk about yourself or making up a pattern about that). If she replies with means values (the means of achieving ends values - like a strong, brave man... to make her feel what? you need to find out!), do some additional asking: "And what does it feel like to have a relationship with such a guy?".

ASF: "Ask questions that get her to go inside & come back with values and criteria. Questions that touch on her identity as a person. For example:

"You know Debbie, most of the time we talk about surface stuff, like what we did last night at the party, or where we want to go next weekend, things like that. It's ok to talk about that stuff, and I enjoy it. I find that I get a lot more out of talking about who we are as people on a deep level, what's important to us, what we believe in, how we feel, and why. So I was wondering what's important to you in a relationship (or this class, or a friend, or…)?" Then listen to what she tells you… Stick to what emotions she's experiencing & why and you'll never run out of things to talk about."

NYC: "You must know who you MUST BE to fuck her. How exactly do you achieve that? It's very basic really. Instead of talking about bullshit with a chick or your porsche or your yacht or your country club membership... ask her about herself."

It wouldn't however be wise to just blurt out the questions, that might sound rehearsed (an impression you want to avoid like the plague, any signs of you having rehearsed and you're toast, unless she really likes you, in which case it really doesn't matter what you do:). It would probably feel more natural, if you introduced the questions in the line of a friendly, affectionate and empathic conversation. An example by Ross Jeffries:

"You know, I know in a situation like this, the typical thing is for a person to ask "what do you do?". And, it's not that I'm not interested in that, but I find I learn a lot more about a person when I find out what the challenges are in what they do. Because I know their are some aspects of what you do that are easy, and others are more difficult. Some are a challenge and others you can do in your sleep. With me, in my line of work it's the same thing. So, if were to ask you, what's the one aspect of what you do that's a challenge, either because you have to focus in to do it well, or you just have to focus in to get yourself motivated to do it, what would that be?"

When asking the questions, NEVER start asking disconnected questions, that is questions on different topics. NYC, ASF: "...you can't get away with that at all. What you have to do is STRING your topics from TANGENTS from the original topic. Make it look like a continuous flow so that they NEVER END telling you about the first thing they started talking about.

you: what do you do?
her: blah blah working with kids...
you: the kids must be rowdy
her: yes they are hard to control blah blah
you: I used to be like that too... when I was a kid...
her: I had the same thing happen to me...
you: how old were you when that happened?
her: I was 13 blah blah
you: did you live with your parents?
her: no, they had divorced when I was 10...
you: damn... that must have been tough on you...
her: I learned to survive on my own...
you: my friend had that happen to her also... she likes to live alone now
her: me too... that's why I don't have a roommate BLAH BLAH BLAH

You see how "she" NEVER got to change topics? You keep changing topics based on TANGENTS to the original topic and it SEEMS like you are still asking her about the first question ALTHOUGH the topic has changed like 6 times:)

The WRONG way to do it however is this:

you: what do you do?
her: blah blah working with kids...
you: did you live with both of your parents until college?
her: no, they had divorced when I was 10...
you: do you have any roommates?
her: WHAT'S WITH THE FUCKING 20 QUESTIONS?"

NYC, ASF: "You have to APPEAR genuinely interested in her life. Ask her fluff questions about her life and move into the important questions from there. She will only tell this stuff to someone that she likes, so make the connection first, then get interested in her and she will be PLEASED that someone wants to know more than if she is a 38D:)"

Alternatively, instead of APPEARING interested, you can try BEING interested:) Jake Thomson, ASF: "I have an easier time simply being genuinely interested and curious about who she is, what she feels, what she thinks and believes and why than trying to appear that way. Also keep I keep my outcome in mind, am I looking for Ms. Right? or Ms. Right-Now? I'm willing to tolerate a lot more divergence between my beliefs and her beliefs with Ms. Right-Now, than I am with Ms. Right."

If she has a different belief system than you, neither do you want to start arguing with her nor to you want to agree with her (while you really don't). There's a way to turn the situation to your advantage nevertheless. Jake Thomson, ASF: "If we have fairly divergent beliefs, sometimes I'll ask her to try and convince me. I'll tell her something like, "I hold somewhat different beliefs on that subject. I'm sure you've got excellent reasons for what you believe though. I'm curious, how did you come to those conclusions? What convinced YOU? And, if you were going to convince somebody, Debbie, how would you do it?" Because what she'll almost certainly do is give me her strategy for convincing herself. As to just how that information might come in handy, I'll leave as an exercise for the reader."

Here's a simpler alternative to asking the questions - frame it as a game (see "The questions game" for a variation of this). Eric, Clifford's Seduction newsletter:

"I say the first part of a sentence and then the chick finishes it as if it were her sentence. For example "My name is... "...(chick's name)". Intersperse this with a few pacing stems like the above and rapport is easily built but here's the good part... Use stems like "I have an incredible connection when..", "I feel excited when..", "I am comfortable when..", "I feel good about.." and then note the trance words. This is easier/faster than getting the chick to think of an exciting time she had recently and works like a charm. When you get STRONG responses, you can use some hypnotic techniques to amplify and anchor them. So that if it were to be "I feel absolutely turned on when.." "...I am safe, warm, and comfortable", you might just say "Stop, go inside and think back to when you first felt safe, warm, and comfortable..." This is like a quick walk through someone's psyche without the BS getting in the way because... IT'S ONLY A GAME!!:)".

Eliciting values - the questions

Here's a sample list of questions to use to elicit her values and trance words. NYC, ASF:

What she wants?

What she likes?

What she thinks she needs?

What she thinks she deserves?

What she had in the past that she wants to repeat?

What she had in the past that she wants to avoid?

What scares her?

What makes her happy?

What makes her feel sexy?

Ask the right questions, don't try to push her towards some specific state (like excitement for example), it might mean nothing to her. ASF: "Realise that "do you value excitement in your life?" is a useless question compared to "what do you value?"

Here are some additional questions you can ask, that might be a little less value-eliciting oriented, but helpful nevertheless. They'll help you to get to know to her and should also put her in an altered state by making her dig up answers for these from deep within her consciousness and subconscious.

"What are the challenges in her line of work / what are the easy parts / what she likes / what she doesn't like about her job?"

"What is the most unusual thing you've done when playing "truth or dare"?" Hopefully she comes up with some sexual stuff:)

"How do your friends describe you?" Use this both for value-eliciting and as prep info for palm-reading, after which you can say "Let me see, whether you actually are like that as well" and transition to palm-reading. See "Palm-reading" and "Palm-reading explained" for more details.

"What do you think I am like?" You'll get useful feedback on how you're doing and how she perceives you:)

"Your first childhood memory?" If its positive, anchor it, and even if its just neutral, never mind that, in her mind she sees herself as opening up to you when telling you about such stuff:)

"Your most pleasant / sweetest memory from school?" Hopefully has something to do with a guy, anchor it:) If not, be more specific.

"Your first day at school?" Same as with "first childhood memory", but don't use it before the "sweetest memory from school" - it would make it too easy for her to answer "well, my first day at school was it" and avoid any possible romantic memories:)

"In what period of your life where you most popular?" Have her remember the "good times":)

"Do you remember the first time you fell seriously, completely and helplessly in love:) How did it happen?"

"The happiest moment of your life?"

"What role would you like to play in some movie?"

"Achieving what goals in your life have brought you the most joy?"

"How well do you know yourself?"

If the answer to some question is not to your liking ("what scares you?" "mice"), elaborate on what you meant with your questions. And if there's anything you don't understand in her answer completely, specify and ask additional questions. Don't THINK you understand, be SURE you understand because that is the only way of:

1) making her feel completely understood by you
2) and completely understanding her - which is what you need in order to know how to make her feel the way she wants to feel with that special man of hers:)

Don't forget though, that you have to be able to introduce these questions as a natural component and continuation of your conversation with the girl. Simply asking them out of the blue will make it sound like you're interrogating her or that you've prepared and rehearsed them beforehand (insincerity!) and once that happens, you're through.

NYC, ASF: "You can tell when a chick is affected by kino OR talking/thinking about something. The subjects that she doesn't react to and the kino that she doesn't react to... don't bother with them. When you latch onto something that really phases her in the direction you want her to go, take her deeper into it by asking her more intricate questions about it that she HAS TO meta-state into the situation to access. She will have to LIVE in that moment again for a period of time. While she is in there you can make it worse for her by introducing worse scenarios than the actual outcome, or better by suggesting better outcomes or results from it.

So don't bother with the sections where they don't feel anything, but when you see them become affected, get into it as far as they'll let you. If you have done your connection and rapport, they will be GLAD to tell you that stuff and glad that you are listening to them."

DC_GUY, ASF:
Me: Do you like living here in [whatever-the-place-is-called]?
Her: Ya, I guess.
Me: **Playfully** What do you like to do for fun? Do you have a lot of guys chasing you?
Her: No, not really... I'm kind of picky.
Me: Really? I mean, I don't mean to sound strange or anything... but what qualities do you look for in a guy?
***This is where you shut up and listen***

Eliciting values - the answers

NYC, ASF: "Do all this [asking questions, eliciting values] BEFORE telling her about yourself. Then selectively edit or FABRICATE your existence to always fit the things that she told you HERSELF are positive things and AVOID what she told you HERSELF are negative things. Some chicks like aggressive men and some like passive men that they can cuddle with and EVENTUALLY have sex with. Find out FIRST which one she wants and THEN project that image to her. What happens is that she notices that you are displaying many traits that she looks for in a sex-partner and none of the negative traits that she uses to weed guys out. She keeps thinking about this and reinforces it in her own mind and decides that you are right for her to fuck. In this situation, how you REALLY FEEL is irrelevant. You are tailoring your personality to her tastes in order to BE THAT MAN that she wants to fuck and she will see it in you and your job will be much easier than if you explained your true nature to her and took the "pot luck" chance that she likes ANY of your real traits. The point of that is you need to separate yourself from other guys talking about bullshit. Chicks hear the same thing all the time. If you can demonstrate that you are interesting and unique, she will WANT to be in touch with you and WANT you to call her. If you don't convey value to her (making her laugh, making her feel sexy, etc.) there is no reason to believe that she will give you her number when you leave."

Her favourite pastimes and hobbies can also be useful. ASF: "You found out something she likes to do, i.e. jetski. Again this is a means value. Find out what emotional state jetskiing generates for her. That way when you spontaneously generate patterns, you can tailor them to the specific emotional states SHE wants to experience."

Don't forget what you're supposed to do with the values you elicited. ASF: "It's one thing to ask a girl questions about herself and elicit her values. It's another to act like a tourist in her reality. I used to get involved with girls lives and be like "Wow, that's AWESOME!" about everything they did in their lives. Fuck that. When a guy does that, a girl thinks he has no life of his own if he's so impressed with hers." Seems like the value-eliciting has not been put to good use. You could of course either show her your world as well or just not be that damn impressed with hers, but preferably you should be doing what you're supposed to be doing with the values you elicited - you've found out the states that are important to her, now make her FEEL those specific states.

Besides finding out and making her feel the states shel likes to feel, you also have to be able to represent the traits and values she finds important. NYC, ASF: "They always come up with TRAITS, not specific things. What they TELL ME they want is easily demonstrated to them through stories, and I don't have to tell them ANYTHING directly. I would never say "I love cats myself too...", I would tell them a story IN WHICH I demonstrated that I like cats. I let her derive who I am by telling her a story based on what she wants to hear in the first place:)".

The perfect relationship

A simple value-eliciting scheme (from an unknown source):

You: What's important to you in a relationship? A relationship, not qualities in a person...

Her: Well... x1

You: Yeah... that's really important to me too. How do you know when you have x1?

Her: xxx (talking about x1).

You: I agree... that's a powerful one. Well, what else is important to you in a relationship?

Her: x2

You: Yeah... xxx (talking about x2).

Her: xxx (talking about x2).

You: Wow...that would be great to be with someone like that. Well, what else is = important to you in a relationship?

Her: x3

You: Yeah... xxx (talking about x3).

Her: xxx (talking about x3).

Step 2

You: Of those three values - x1, x2, x3 - which is the most important? Which would you absolutely have to have?

Her: Well... xn (n being either 1, 2 or 3)

You: Well... I could see that. Of the other two, which is most important?

Her: xn (n being either 1, 2 or 3)

Step 3

About an hour+ later:

You: You know...I've been thinking that maybe we've really got the start of something beautiful here. And I think it's something based on (x1, x2, and x3 in order of her preference she provided in step 2).

She will go into a pleasure state, at the peak touch her and say:

You: Can you FEEL THAT would be a really wonderful thing to experience?

”GM” style

GM style explained

Contributed to ASF by Nathan Szilard, this is the description of the technique used by a PUA acquaintance of his nick-named Grand Master Flash's. Hence the name GM technique. The key here is smutty sex jokes and continuous humorous sex-talk with keen attention to how the girl reacts, so as to forestall any negative reactions (and you can be sure, there will be plenty in the beginning!:) by saying "just kidding", giving an "apologetic" hug to the girl etc. The reasoning here is this, that if the girl has no chance to express her negative comments about sex-jokes and -comments, this translates in her subconsciousness to agreeing and accepting what is being said. The defences will eventually go down, she has to imagine all the sex-jokes in her mind in order to understand them, and although she might be disgusted or repelled about them in the first place, she won't be able to express her negativism, her mind is bombarded with more sexual references, she just keeps imagining and before she knows it, nature kicks in and… she's getting horny:) Simple:) But potentially dangerous as hell - you really need to be in your element with all the sex jokes and keep "just kidding" in time not to get slapped in the beginning etc. otherwise you could fail miserably:)

Nathan Szilard on GM Flash and his technique, ASF: "That's his aggressive style. Basically he told them he wanted to fuck from the beginning. He had the attitude that he could satisfy them sexually. He had the confidence that says he does this all the time. He was in their face. He was making them excited. He was stimulating them like they are not USED TO being stimulated. If they were going to resist, they would have resisted when he first told them what he wanted from them. There is the INCORRECT assumption that chicks don't like DICK! They love it and they want it! The problem is they want it from the guys they want it from. All he has to do is offer them the SECOND best thing... sexual satisfaction as opposed to sex with a man they WANT! He doesn't even have to satisfy them:) It's too late by the time he's fucking them! All he has to do is make them BELIEVE that if they get with him he is going to fuck them WELL! They couldn't resist because at some point they became HORNY and wanted that RELEASE!"

GM style lines

"If you buy me a drink, you might get lucky tonight"

"I can't please every girl but I'll give you a chance tonight"

"Women are lining up to be with me"

"It's tough to be such a sex symbol"

"Aren't you going to get too horny if I sit next to you?"

"I'm organising an orgy for my friend's birthday. Wanna come?"

"I like you because you're intelligent (gesture over her breasts). I like myself

because I'm intelligent too (gesture over your dick)." (once GM even later got a

phone-call where the girl said she wanted to show him her intelligence:)

"If you're nice enough I will lick you."

"How does it feel like to be with (one/two) handsome blokes?"

"My friend's jealous because mine is bigger."

"Look, we have to go (to her place) now because I have a date in 2 hours. No we

can't go to my place because I have a friend sleeping there."

"I love myself sooo much I can't leave myself alone."

"I wish I could split myself in 5 ("me"s) so that I could please all the women."

"I have to go to the hospital tomorrow" - "What for?" - "To get an operation, (pointing down) mine's too big"

"Do you know how I can have a 24 cm /11 inch dick?" "???" "When I fold it in half"

"Are you hands clean?" - "Yeah" - "Ok, could you hold my dick for me while I'm peeing?"

"You know, that really bothers me, all those girls and guys going after me, and they're only interested because of it, you know, I want to be appreciated for who I am, not for just my HUGE penis."

"I should'nt talk about that, I don't want you to be incredibly turned on... I don't want you to make a mental picture of a huuuuuuuuuuuuge throoobing tasty penis." (Nathan: "Her eyes were glowing -- you could tell what she had in mind!")

"It's not possible to be cute without being >picked up ... sometimes I wish I wasn't so cute" (Nathan: "One of the most important aspects of the GM technique is REVERSING ROLES")

Me: "Do you wake up early in the morning?". Her: "No, not really". Me: "Good, I don't like to be waken up;)".

Whenever they don't react positively enough, you say:

"Hide your joy / pleasure!!"

"Last time I saw someone as excited as you, she was in a coma!"

"If you don't like cute guys, just tell me!" (Most of the time the reply will be "no, no, we do like cute guys!". This question reframes their possible dislike of you into a dislike of "cute guys" in general, which however they want to deny, thus being forced to confess, that they actually do like you. Tricky eh?:)

Nathan Szilard, ASF: "OKAY ONE IMPORTANT THING: you'd think that he gets blown off every time he says something that stupid, right? YES HE SHOULD!! He would IF he didn't say "JUST KIDDING " *before* she has a chance to reply. Psychologically speaking, since she does not have the time to reply negatively, she's somewhat agreeing. It's rather obvious when you see it happening. If she starts replying negatively, he cuts her down by saying, "yeah I like to say stupid things, life's too short not to have fun" or "I like to act like a little kid - I am a kid"." And then he continues with what he started with:) One other thing he uses to go kino fast and often is insulting the girl and then "apologising" right away by kissing and hugging:)

A possible explanation of why the GM style actually works, Nathan Szilard: "You don't get rejected as you would expect - when you think about it, to reject something, you have to know what it is. When you've heard one particular line a thousand times, you know what it means, what it is, what it aims at ... When GM approaches she's here, wondering what the fuck is going on ... it's so outrageous, she can't react in a predetermined way."

From someone who tried the GM technique just to test it, ASF: "It was at the point I was feeling a little guilty because one was a real sweetheart and I just wanted to fall back to being nice and letting her talk about her boyfriend - but when I did - I could instantly see it was a mistake so I'd come off with "I gotta get an operation tomorrow..." and she'd come back with a "You're so bad" and hitting me... It was easy and she made sure to give me her phone number! I didn't even ask! This experiment tells me to memorise every one of these lines. They are killer! Pure gold! These are powerful jokes. Funny how the one who gave me her phone number kept saying she loved a sense of humour. I thought the jokes weren't funny at all. I was just mouthing words and she was laughing. I couldn't believe it. The other one had to go but she fell right into talking about sex. WOW!'"

Nathan Szilard, ASF: "An idea to go beyond GM style: describing the woman as a slut. Isntead of telling her "you are beautiful" as an AFC does, describe her as if she was doing something overtly and consciously sexual.

See where I'm going to?

What I learnt from GM, well and from textbook psychology - you can get people to form an opinion about themselves. Let that opinion be that she is a slut."

The word "slut" in this context is a highly sexual and constantly horny female (not a prostitute).

Doing a pick-up on the street GM-style (suggested by Nathan Szilard, ASF). You have eye-contact with a woman on the street, she passes, and when you turn back, make sure she hears this: "Hey! ... What does this mean? You ogle at me and you don't even stop to talk to me? I'm not a sex object!". She'll probably be standing there, looking back at you and feeling stunned, now go approach, introduce yourself, act all "hurt" for being taken as only a sex object, offer her to chance to make it up to you by having the two of you getting to know each other over a cup of coffee etc:)

GM style expansion pack

If you just have to use a pick-up line

Like when you used the 3s rule and now have her attention… but haven't said anything yet and cannot think of anything to say. If you just have to use a pick-up line, introduce it like this: "Hi, I wanna try a pick-up line on you / my friend gave me this crazy collection of pick-up lines, tell me what you think about this one / some of them", then pick one of the following. If she responds (doesn't matter whether its good or bad, just as long as she doesn't completely ignore you), say "Well, here's another one, how 'bout this", then pick another one. At least one of them should get a laugh. Then you can ask what other lines has she heard recently and what's the sleaziest she's ever heard or what's the best she's ever heard. But on the whole, pick-up lines are lame (don't mention that aloud though, you used them to start a conversation with her, remember?:), so change the subject and move onto using a technique of your preference (be it patterns, negging, eliciting values, whatever). So here are some pick-up lines to use as a last-ditch resource (or if you're using the GM technique, to integrate with your style):

(Delivered rapid-fire fast!) Hi! Do you have a boyfriend? Would you like a better one? Answer the second question first!

(To a woman in a tight outfit at a party or bar!) Hi! That's a great outfit you're almost wearing!

(To woman with great legs in any situation!) Excuse, but I just wanted to tell you, if God made anything nicer than your legs (or smile) he's saving it for himself!

The word of the day is legs. Let's go back to my place and spread the word.

Let's go back to my place, order some pizza and fuck. *SLAP*. Okay, how about chinese?

I like every bone in your body, especially mine.

Nice shoes. Wanna fuck?

I'm not trying to pressure you. I don't want to have sex without mutual consent. Oh and by the way, you have my consent.

Let's go to my place and do the things I'll tell everyone we did anyway.

All those curves, and me with no brakes.

If I told you you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

Is it hot in here or is it just you?

Why don't you sit on my lap and we'll talk about the first thing that pops up.

Heybabe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec (pause)? You see a snake just bit my nads and I need you to suck the poison out.

Can you help me? I have to pee and the doctor said I can't lift anything heavy.

I like your legs so much I'm going to name them. This one is Christmas and this one is New Years. Can I see you in between the holidays?

Do you believe in love at first sight...or do I have to walk by again?

Pardon me, I seem to have lost my phone number. Can I borrow yours?

If I were to ask you for sex, would your answer be the same as the answer to this question?

Excuse me, I just noticed you noticing me and I just wanted to give you notice that I noticed you too.

(As you walk by, turn around and say:) Excuse me, did you just touch my ass? No? Damn!

Do you know the difference between a hamburger and a blow job? No! Well in that case, d'ya wanna do lunch?

Excuse me, miss, do you give head to strangers? No. Well, then, allow me to introduce myself.

Fuck me if I am wrong, but haven't we met before?

Is it cold in here, or are you just happy to see me? (For the uninitiated - this references to erect nipples and is a redo of the classic Mae West line "Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?":)

That shirt is very becoming on you, and if I was on you, i'd becumming too!

Remember - most of these can only be used as "examples" of pick-up lines because the lameness, supplication or dirtyness aspects of them are sure to backfire in a majority of cases should you make the mistaken judgement of using them seriously. In certain situations however, some of them are applicable by themselves as well (for example, as part of GM-style or neghits) - but which ones? Well, you be the judge:)

One redeeming quality of most of these pick-up lines however is that they can be used much more effectively to close, not to approach and initiate. Imagine saying "Wanna fuck?" as a first thing to a woman you just met. Now imagine saying "Wanna fuck?" to a woman, who you've been talking to for a while already, getting her intrigued, interested, feeling pleasurable, safe, happy and horny. See the difference:)? So although the general consent among women and pick-up artists alike is that pick-up lines suck - they suck as pick-up lines, but when it comes to closing, you might find yourself using the very same pick-up line you snared at when reading these examples:) Have fun:)

Shall we talk or continue flirting from a distance?
(in case you caught some of her "signs", but once again, you are better off using anything but a pick-up line to start a conversation).

What does it feel like to be the most beautiful girl in this room?
(major supplication, but might work if she is cute and not drop-dead gorgeous, see also "Neghits explained")

You know, you might be asked to leave soon. You're making the other women look really bad.
(same as above)

You're ugly, but there's something about you that intrigues me.
(to be used on a real drop-dead gorgeous beauty only, see also "Neghits explained")

What would you do if I kissed you right now?
(not that good for a pick-up line, but a definate step in the right direction in case you've been chatting for a while;)

Would you like to come to a party in my toolshed?

Why don't you surprise your roommate and not come home tonight?

What do you say we go back to my room and do some math: add you and me, subtract our clothes, divide your legs, and multiply.

Ever tried those weird prickly condoms?

I think I could fall madly in bed with you.

Pardon me, but are you a screamer or a moaner?

Excuse me, but would you like an orally stimulated orgasm?

"Excuse me, miss, do you give head to strangers?"
"No."
"Well, then, allow me to introduce myself."

Is that your boyfriend? I think you can do better than that!

Oh no, I'm choking! I need mouth to mouth, quick!

Like the look of your crotch.

Are you as good as they say you are?

Baby, I got a backstage pass to your ass!

I wanna put my thingy into your thingy.

Your place or mine? Tell you what? I'll flip a coin. Head at my place, tail at yours.

Who's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?

"Hi, stare at the floor for a while would ya"
"Why?"
"Because you gonna be staring at the ceiling for a week."

You are so beautiful that I would crawl ten miles on my hands and knees through broken glass just to jerk off in your shadow.

You are so beautiful I'd drag my balls through a mile of broken glass, followed by a mile of hot coals just to sniff the tire tracks of the laundry truck that takes your panties to the cleaners.

You are so beautiful I'd drag my balls through a mile of barbed wire just to suck the cock that screwed you last.

Hi, do you know any good opening lines? [wow, that was tame!]

And now, for your enjoyment, some rebuttals women might use on you if you make the mistake of using the above pick-up lines the AFC way - trying to win her graces with the supplicative ones while actually making her just plain bored and sick, or trying to get her to have sex with you on the spot with the dirty ones while actually earning a slap in the face. See "Dealing with rejection" on how to cope with situations like these from the male perspective:)

He: I'd like to call you. What's your number?
She: It's in the phone book.
He: But I don't know your name.
She: That's in the phone book too.

Q: Wha'dya say to a little fuck?
A: Go away, little fuck.

He: So what do you do for a living?
She: Female impersonator.

Her, after hearing a pick-up line:
"I liked your approach. Now let's see your departure."

The cold approach

Him: Hi, my name's Dave, what's yours?
Her: (typically) Griselda.
Him: Right, Griselda, now we're on first name terms, how about a fuck?

Delivered seriously, you'll get a "yes" and a fuck out of about only every 25th girl you approach this with. Yes, these are actual statistics - this was a description of one guy's style who indeed has a success rate of 1 in 25 times, but who (not surprisingly:) also gets slapped about a lot:) But modify this to the GM style - forestall any negative responses, be "just kidding", joking and humorous instead of being serious, get her to laugh, then continue with the remainder of the GM arsenal - and if you do it right, your success rate will skyrocket and you won't have to possess the reflexes of Thresh to avoid all the *SLAPS!* flying your way:)

David Off, ASF: "A friend of mine has a minimalist GM technique that seems to work. He simply grunts 'SEX' at women, that's it! Seems to work about 10% of the time... he rarely leaves a bar or party empty handed."

Talking about sex

A few words of advice - don't ever start a conversation with a girl with sex, sexual innuendoes etc (there's an exception to this though, see the GM technique which expressly oozes and drips of sexual innuendoes with the false pretence of being humorous and "just kidding":). Don't misunderstand it though, the emphasis is on the word "start".

Its just like with patterns - if you start a conversation with a pattern, you´ll just sound embarrassingly lame. And if you start the conversation with sexual innoendos, you might never get a chance to continue the conversation. Unless you use the GM technique to harvest for girls directly, blatantly and shamelessly interested in sex (see also "The cold approach"), you'd better not take any aspects of the GM technique out of context to use as openers. Unless of course you are playing the Crash and Burn game:)

Steamy topics of discussion are fine, once you've established rapport with a girl, the conversation has been going smooth, her body-language shows interest etc, she's past being comfortable with you, is already into intrigue and maybe even starting to feel a little horny:) Introduce sex, watch her reactions, be sensitive yet bold. Use quotes ("my friend Katie once told me about how she had a quick-fuck from a boy he hardly knew":), you can safely get quite graphic using quotes and she can safely get horny because you're not talking about yourself or her:) But once again, try not to start the conversation with sexual innuendoes, it can be a major turn-off for a girl.

Mystery suggests to avoid sex-talk completely (he deals primarily with the 9-s and 10-s though:). Mystery: "Bringing up sex shows its on your mind and if you were truly a guy who gets girls you wouldn't think about it then. No sex comments. No sex jokes. Go KINO but don't talk sex."

Clifford, Clifford's Seduction Newsletter: "One thing I have noticed is that a lot of women will kind of recoil when you say something a bit too sexual and then, if you pursue it with no apologies, they spring back very positively about the comment. It doesn't happen all the time, and certainly depends on the comment itself, but many women do respond to sexual comments after an initial, what shall we call it, politically correct reaction."

Use sexual stories to get her horny

Use personal experience or fantasy stories to get her horny. ASF: "Never use stories DIRECTLY INVOLVING the girl you're with. QUOTE about what you did to other chicks or what you want to do to other chicks or ask her about what she has done or would like to do with other guys. You can use this even in every-day discussions by elaborating at the right time and in the right direction:) A variation: get her in a private place, and feed her with fantasies, increasingly sexual, in a hypnotic way, until she can't stand it anymore and will rape you:)" A journalist discussing SS, Playboy, July'98: "I had a friend in college whose success with women was mind-boggling, given his Napoleonic stature and receding hairline. I remember my college friend playfully turning every conversation with a girl, no matter where she would try to steer it, into something with sexual undertones. He'd get her thinking about sex, and pretty soon she was thinking about having sex with him." Remember that steering the conversation into something with sexual undertones doesn't even necessarily have to mean talking explicitly about sex, see "The Discovery Channel pattern" for an example of this. Talking about something innocent but inserting the words "penetrate", "come inside", "hard", "surrender" into the conversation might do the trick just as well. Whether to use covert (SS and patterns) or overt (GM style) conversation is not always easy to decide, the best advice I can give concerning this is just to experiment and "develop an intuition":)

An example of a combination of a cold approach, quoting, stacking realities and using fantasy stories. ASF: ""I know this guy named Vincent, he was telling me about a woman friend of his. She said that she was standing by herself in a bar one time when this guy walks up to her, looks her dead in the eyes and said, "I would like to fuck you. Would you like to fuck me?" and then just stands there. She said she nearly dropped her drink, but then she started thinking about it and began feeling that heat building up in her body. You know how you feel when you start to get really aroused? All wet and excited? She didn't miss a beat and started playing right back at him. She said, "I'd want you to go down on me first..."

Anyway use your exquisite language skills to tell her exactly what you'd like to do to her & have Vincent's friend tell it to her. I mean it's not like *YOU'RE* telling her you want to eat her out & fuck her brains loose or anything:)"

An example of a line to use in a conversation. "When was the last time you had an orgasm? I really think you need to find a guy right now... and let him bend you over the bathroom sink and let him have his way with you."

(Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":) "Most women love the romantic and emotional stuff, while others are not necessarily interested in a relationship of any kind but would really enjoy a good session of hot and wild session of unforgettable sex, no strings attached.

So how do you begin to talk about that kind of low down and dirty sex? Well, if you see that she doesn't respond to relationship type conversation, move away from it. Offer a different perspective. You can either describe other couples that you know that are not communicating like they should and how much of a hassle it can be to be in a loveless relationship and so on.

So what's the alternative? It doesn't have to be your own opinion but you can mention how much of a hassle free a purely sexual experience can be between two horny people. They can share all their fantasies without fear of being judged by a loved one and threatened with a break-up, they are free to experience many things that might be viewed as taboo by people in a serious relationship etc. You can talk about how easy it is to arrange something and see it through when it comes to nothing but physical pleasure. You can say how both men and women can experiment with their sexual urges and curiousities without any relationship insecurities or jealousy. You can give examples of other couples that you know where the woman always fantasized about being with another woman but the husband was scared that she might leave him for a lesbian. In a purely physical relationship, it's all about what makes us feel good, it's all about exploring fantasies and feeling comfortable with who we are as we are.

If you've hit the target, she will agree with you and feel a connection between the two of you because she will feel you are both the same. At that point you can ask her about her favorite position or her favourite fantasies that she was never able to talk about or act on in a closed and conventional relationship. You can tell her about some mild fantasies of yours and direct the conversation to how wonderful it feels to be able to express yourselves in this way. You can even mention how talking about this kind of stuff is making you hot right there and then probe to see if she feels the same way. You can joke about the two of you trying to seduce another person together for a possible threesome and more depending on the fantasies she already told you about. If everything clicks you will know because if you don't go for the close, she will."

The Ideal Guy routine

NYC, ASF: "If I can't get her to be interested in me, I go into the "the ideal guy" routine. Since she thinks I'm helping her to find what she wants, she greedily, hungrily describes her dream guy. Then I get her to describe what he's wearing, how his hair looks, how his voice is, what he says to her, how his chest feels, how she feels in his arms... I just ask her the right questions to get her meta-stating ABOUT someone that makes her feel the way she likes to feel in order to fuck. She thinks about and experiences the feelings, but WHO is she talking to? ME. Basically she gets confused and thinks she is feeling that way about me when she is actually feeling that way about some other guy. If she likes HIM, but is talking to YOU, it probably means she doesn't have the GUTS to approach him fearing a rejection. You can get her to think about him all night if you want, and he'll remain a living fantasy to her. Meanwhile... she is getting horny in general AND you are the one making her feel the way she does. Just by being with you and seeing you and hearing you and touching you, she gets these feelings... basically she transfers what she WANTS from the guy over to you.

The other benefit of this style is that girls will admit their horny behaviour when you are NOT talking about yourself and you ARE talking about some movie star or something... for instance:

Me: what would you do if Keanu walked in here right now?
Her: I would seduce him any way I can
Me: what would you do to seduce Keanu?

Next, she spills the beans about what she would do to convince a man she REALLY WANTS to be with her. Getting all hot and bothered along the way of course:) And since you're in the vicinity…:)"

Patterning

Patterning explained

Patterns form the core of Ross Jeffries' Speed Seduction technique. Patterns are scripts of describing various wonderful states of mind and feelings to a girl, seemingly having nothing to do with you and her (for example by describing the wonderful feelings and states that music, dancing, eating strawberries and chocolate etc can create), but subconsciously getting her aroused… by what you're saying and in effect by you:) You can either link all those wonderful feelings you make her feel by what you're saying by self-pointing at appropriate times (which is what Ross Jeffries recommends), but the simple fact that you're there while she gets all those feelings and that you are the originator of them should do the job as well:).

Making her feel all those wonderful states not only means describing them to her, it also means giving her commands embedded in what you're saying to experience those states. Descriptions by themselves might not always work, she might not be paying too much attention and wander off in her thoughts, but once you've given her commands - "Feel it building... focus in on those feelings... surrender completely..." - she might first even be aroused by such commands by themselves, but she will definetly be much more attentive towards the descriptions you are about to offer.

Patterns also contain subconscious messages known as binder commands. For example, an excerpt from a pattern: "… that's the way to do it. Now, with me, its different, because…" incorporates a binder command of "DO IT! NOW! WITH ME!", which will bind all feelings and desires her arousal has created to YOU.

Once you have her attention, one of the most powerful methods of making her "feel" is using sexual metaphors. They sound innocent in the context of what you're saying, but she is bound to pick up on them and once you have her imagining all those phrases out of context… don't be surprised if she says has to go to the bathroom for a moment and you notice her seat is all wet:) A few examples of such phrases are: "Create an opening for it... feel that thought penetrate you.... you come over and over again to the same conclusion...". Now that you know what to look for, you'll find more phrases in the example patterns presented in this guide.

One rather dubious aspect of patterns is the so-called weasel phrases. For example the phrases "…these values are below me" pronounced "BLOW ME!", "…a feeling of happiness" pronounced "hap-PENIS!", "…in you're mind" pronounced "YOU'RE MINE!", "…thoughts flowing in a new direction" pronounced "NUDE ERECTION!", "...the sky is so beautiful" pronounced "THIS GUY IS SO BEAUTIFUL!" - these double-meaning pronunciations are supposed to give her subconscious messages, but the effectiveness of such attributes of patterning are slightly questionable though.

The main value of patterns remains in their ability to make a girl recall or imagine absolutely wonderful feelings and states of mind, while subconsciously linking them all to you.

Delivering patterns - general rules

Being vague. It is important to be as vague as possible in your patterns. For one thing, vagueness for a woman doesn't sound incoherent or obscure like it does to the rational and matter-of-fact mind of a man. For a girl, vague equals romantic, thrilling, mysterious and intriguing. For another thing, being vague in your patterns lets her more easily link the feelings you describe with her own experiences or dreams. The more vague, the better!

Doesn't patterning sound unnatural? (Ross Jeffries:) "When you learn how to do Speed Seduction according to that, it ceases to be about mind-fucking and ramming memorised patterns into a (hopefully:) co-operative subject, and becomes a mutual exploration of how you think and how she thinks about certain topics, that naturally would lend themselves to pattern type talk even if you didn't know a thing about Speed Seduction! Using the pattern language, therefore, in this context is utterly natural, incredibly powerful, and allows you to actually learn something about the woman on a very deep level while you are creating incredible connections, sexual feelings, etc. etc."

Once more, the patterns here are only examples. Ross Jeffries: "The patterns are examples, NOT rules. Many students think that unless they present the patterns to women, word for word, that they won't work or get results. THIS IS JUST 100% FALSE! The patterns are only examples... very GOOD examples... of the kinds of communication that turn women on. But they aren't meant to be rigidly or exclusively followed. Learn from them HOW they work, and you'll be able to eventually create your own patterns."

The Stages of Learning Patterns as stated by Ross Jeffries:
"I would say students go through three stages of Speed Seduction Mastery.

Stage One: memorising and using memorised patterns, word for word.

Stage Two: learning to use themes that incorporate pieces of the pattern language.

Stage Three: learning to use themes that have deep personal meaning for the student as well as being intriguing to women and allowing the student to use pieces of the pattern language."

Can I talk freely or will she interrupt me? Ross Jeffries: "There are two classes of women who respond to patterns; those who want to be overwhelmed, and those who want it to be their own experience. The women in the first category will just sit and let you run patterns without interrupting; the second category will interrupt by talking. That's ok...let them talk... because they will give you their personal trance words which you use back with them when you continue with the patterns! Girls in the second category are actually more entertaining and fun!"

The time delay. Ross Jeffries: "Some women, for whatever reason, have a "time delay" effect; the patterns might not appear to work, but an hour or 3 days or even 3 months later, out of the blue they want to bang you. This "time delay" can be an x-factor that can make responses seem a bit more unpredictable."

(Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":) "If she's still not responsive maybe she's never experienced such feelings in the past and is having a hard time keeping up. Slow down and talk as though you are trying to understand as well from the experience of your friend. It will be easier for her to imagine all the feelings you are describing if there is no pressure for her to readily understand them. Give her the time she needs to absorb everything. And sometimes it takes a while before she'll absorb everything. Believe me, that does happen.

For example, there was this girl I thought was unresponsive, yet a few days after we had a deep conversation about love and feelings she came up to me and acted as though she was truly in love, picking up that same conversation after I almost forgot what we were talking about in the first place."

Combine feelings with body sensations. Ross Jeffries: "As far as possible, layer in body sensations along with your connection patterns! When you combine body sensations along with emotional connections, either at the same time or rapidly in sequence, the effect is practically irresistible and the power isn't additive...it's exponential!"

Fear?? No. FUN!! Ross Jeffries: "If you want to be hilariously successful with Speed Seduction, then you must realise that the patterns aren't about begging. They aren't even really about tricking or misleading. No, sir, the patterns are about being able to create such incredible states of pleasure and fun and highs for her that no one else can, such that she really WANTS to give you her sexual goodies. They're about creating states for her that no one else can. Viewed like this, that incredible babe you want to bang isn't someone you need to fear. She's someone who's about to receive an incredible gift from you, a gift she might continue to receive IF she's smart enough and hot enough and sexy enough to give you what it takes to keep YOU coming back for more. You see, it sure makes a damn big difference when you can look at a honey-pie and honestly think to yourself, "How good can this woman stand to feel? Let's go have fun and find out!"

Speaking of fun, another big part of being in the right frame of mind to make SS work is refusing to take it seriously. By that, I mean you take the attitude that you are experimenting, having fun, and if what you try doesn't work, you've simply polished your skills and learned something new."

For more specifics about patterns (using visual, auditory or kinesthetic language for girls with visual, auditory or kinesthetic imaginations accordingly; running at least three different patterns in a row for maximum effectiveness etc.) turn to www.seduction.com and see the newsletters.

Adapted from Ross Jeffries' public seminar tanscript.

The right attitude. Ross Jeffries: "You see, challenge is where the fun is. If it's not easy, life is not meant to be easy, but life was meant to be fun. If you're not going to have fun in the process, then what's the point. And also this is a very sexy attitude. A guy who is not put off but is also not hungry, and is having fun in the process of courtship, a woman is attracted to that. A man who'll playfully court her without being pushy, a man who is persistent, but at the same time is not pushy or needy but is playful about it. [The attitude is:] "Eventually you're going to come around and see what a great deal it is and in the mean time I'll play and have fun with you". That's very sexy. You know, I'm telling you something, you can look like a freaking pig and many of my students do and still it doesn't make any difference because it's a very rare attitude. It's a very rare approach. You become one man in a million."

See and observe her response. Ross Jeffries: "Ok, we'll talk about the skills. Let's talk about the skills you need to make this work. The first skill you need is the ability to observe and to see what response you are getting. Shall I repeat that? The ability to observe and see what response that you're getting. In order to do that, you have to be doing what? Louder, I can't hear you. To do that you can't be in your head worrying is this working, oh, oh, does she like me, what if I blow it, you have to turn all that crap off. Flip that switch to off, pull the plug on that. You have to be totally focused on what response you're getting. Step out of your own way and turn all that crap off and just focus in on the response you're getting."

Be flexible yet persistent. Ross Jeffries: "Ok. Skill No. 2. The flexibility to change to something else if you aren't getting the response you want. If you try "have you ever", let's take that one. "Have you ever felt the sense of incredible connection…?", yet then you get "no". Instead of giving up you can go "Well have you ever felt really attracted to someone…?". Keep going until you get that response. Do you understand. Keep going until you get the response because eventually you will. Or step back and shift to something else. Does this make sense? I know, stop a minute, close your eyes. Everyone has some, when I say close your eyes, I want the lids down. Anyone who's lids do not close will find their sexual future shrinking away, rapidly, rapidly. Some of us don't have long to wait. I want you to think of some situation where you have alot of flexibility where something gets thrown in your path, you shift around and you keep going. I don't care what context it is. And as you think of that thing I want you to raise your hand in the air, raise your hand in the air, do it and make a fist, raise your arm all the way up in the air, make a fist and as you bring that hand down I want you to increase that feeling of utter flexibility and ferociousness that you go for what you want and keep going. And do it again. Think of that thing again, raise your hand in the air and as you do that, think to yourself, yes, don't say it but think to yourself. And remember that feeling of being flexible and you go to the next thing. Ok, one more time. And this time in your mind's eye, I want you to see some woman that you would really like to seduce and see her not responding the way you'd like to. As you put your hand down, notice how you can increase that feeling, hey, I'm going to try something else and keep going. Nothing is going to stop me. Do you get that? Alright. Open your eyes and look at me."

Be patient and learn from trial and error. Ross Jeffries: "Ability No 3 is the ability to be patient and learn from trial and error. I know you all admire me and you're not worthy and all that other shit but guess what. I make mistakes with this. But I don't want to think of making mistakes, I am learning. I occasionally do things, guess what, they don't work the way I've planned. Guess what? I get excited. Kent and Mark here had lunch with me and the first thing I asked them was what have you done that doesn't work? Tell me about what you've done where it didn't work. Did I not say that? Because that's where I get excited. That tells me I'm about to step into a new level of power. If something isn't working, congratulate yourself because you're about to find out what does work. You're about to learn something new. Without that mind set, you will be at best mediocre with this material. With this mind set no matter what blocks you may start out with, you will leave them behind quickly and go wherever you want to with the material. But if nothing else, if all you do is really begin to live the attitude that there are no failures, there's only learnings, you will be ahead 99% of the people in society."

Be able to move from one pattern to the next. Ross Jeffries: "Ability No. 4. Ability to move from one pattern to the next. I will go over some transitional phrases that will allow you to move from any pattern to any other pattern. Even if, it makes it logically seem, it's nothing more fun to me than making it seem like my ideas are logically connected when there's no logical connection at all. I'm just connecting them so I can ram patterns in. Ok. And there's certain phrases "now here's another thing". Or "here's something else that is interesting". It doesn't have to be any logical connection to be any ideas at all."

Delivering patterns – tonality

The way you deliver the patterns determines the difference between making her feel wonderful deep inside or you sounding like a phoney or a pathetic clown reciting some weird-sounding monologue or script.

Presenting her with the text accomplishes you nothing, the words itself will not make her feel anything. You have to be the text you deliver, you have to feel it with her, be with her every step of the way… until the final eruption:) (Yes, women have been reported to have orgasms simply by listening to patterns being delivered the right way:). So memorising the patterns presented in this guide does nothing for you, unless you really live out and not simply recite every word to her.

The patterns that you can find on www.seduction.com or in this guide are mere examples of what pattern-talk is like, they are not spells that make magic things happen just because they are mumbled out loud. You can certainly start by memorising some patterns, but you will start having real success only when you'll be able to make up a pattern on the fly about anything, that is exciting and close to heart for that one specific girl you are talking to. It helps if you have a soft, low, mesmerising and a slightly hypnotic voice, and if you don't… try to modulate your voice to become as such while delivering your patterns:)

(ASF:) "Using a low, seductive voice may seem unnatural at first, but you must practice. Try tape recording your own voice so you get an idea of how you sound in general. Then tape yourself reciting a scripted pattern. You'll hear how stilted and unnatural it sounds. Now tape yourself while improvising that same pattern, but this time work on making how you say the words sound soothing and, well, seductive. Don't worry about screwing up the word order, just concentrate on HOW YOU SAY IT. Also - pause mid-sentence to create a sense of anticipation and mystery."

Adapted from Ross Jeffries' public seminar tanscript no 1:

Ross: Some of you, your tonality, up until tonight sucked. It just sucks. You need to practice. You've got to make a commitment to practice these skills. How many people here walk? How many people here talk? How many people here can stand up? How many people here are toilet trained? Keep your hand down, Bruce. Just teasing, ok. Do you think those are all things that you acquired immediately? Did you pop out of the womb being able to do it? You had to practice. You must practice these skills on a consistent basis. I don't know why I have to continue to hammer on this point before you get it and incorporate it. So let's work on controlling tonality, let's put your notes down. I dont want to see anyone writing or holding notes, anyone with a pen in their hand will find their gentile is shrinking. And some of you have no time to waste. How many of you know what the vowels are? What are the vowels?

Audience: A,E,I,O,U

Ross: Wrong, here are the vowels. AAAA, EEEE, IIII, OOOO, UUUU. Those are the vowels. So we're going to do an exercise. Put one hand on your chest so you can feel the residence of your voice, take a deep breath, put your head back and say with me. AAAA, EEEE, IIII, OOOO, UUUU. Welcome to the five hour orgasm. Ok. When you speak to a woman, you should be speaking such that your voice resinates. When you practice these patterns out loud, and you must practice every pattern OUT LOUD. Not in your head. Out loud, because you're speaking these out loud. So, we must learn to control our tonality. Ok, let's try another exercise. Let's pick a neutral word like watermelon. Ok. Let's all just say watermelon.

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: Try it one more time

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: Ok, now. I want you to remember a time when you were angry, really pissed off and say watermelon as if you were expressing that angry feeling. Ready?

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: Again

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: Alright, can you remember a time when you were curious? I want you to say watermelon with a tonality of curiousity. Ready?

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: Watermelon, and now seductive and sexy. Say watermelon. Let's start with this row, ok guys. Let's hear you do your watermelon seductive and sexy, are you ready?

Audience: Watermelon

Audience: Laughs

Ross: Do you see what I mean? Look, ok, let's hear you say the words, seduce me, let's hear you say seduce me.

Audience: Seduce me

Ross: Louder, put your hand on your chest, get the resident, no these guys only, put your head back, take a deep breath and go, seduce me, make it resinate. Say it out loud.

Audience: Seduce me

Ross: Better, a little louder. This is not observant. Do it. Seduce me, better, ok, now do watermelon.

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: Suck it in like this and go watermelon.

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: He's got it. Nicky, come on in and have a seat. Ok, do you guys want to try it? Let's hear it. Let's hear the sexiest watermelon in the world. Are we ready?

Audience and Ross: Watermelon

Ross: That's good. He's got it, go ahead, one more time.

Audience: Watermelon

Ross: Very good. Ok, all together, ready. 1, 2, 3,

Audience and Ross: Watermelon

Ross: If you guys need extra help on doing this you have my permission to call two 900 numbers. I'm serious. Take them and listen to how these women speak. Ok, if necessary, call a gay 900 number.

Audience: Laughs

Ross: I'm serious, I'm serious and listen to how they speak. Here's a good way to make sure you say it right, get the feeling for yourself right here. And then as you're speaking to the woman, the feeling that you want her to feel will guide your tonality. Do you get that? So imagine the feeling that you want to feel right here and then allow that feeling to guide your voice. So as the warmth of that voice just wraps itself around you like a pair of legs around your neck, you'll know, really know, on the inside, just exactly what's happening, you know. You must learn to control your tonality. I can't emphasize this enough. It is the single biggest stumbling block. Some other ways to learn to control your tonality. Get a dictionary. Pick out words at random and experiment saying those words with the right tonality. Pick out loaded words like troop, love, seduction, connection. Write these words down. Troop, love, seduction, connection, desire, lust, absolutely fascinated. Ok. And work on saying these in the right tonality. I just cannot emphasize this enough. Trying to learn this without getting master of your tonalities is like trying to drive your car without gasoline. It's just not going to work.

Trance words explained

When you are eliciting her values or letting her describe her feelings while patterning, listen intently to what she has to say and more importantly, what words she uses to express herself.

The words she puts particular emphasis on or repeats frequently are her so-called trance words. This means that by using the very same words she uses you will be able to tap directly into her consciousness and subconscious. After all, those are the words she thinks with and is most familiar with. And hearing you use them, she feels you understand her so completely, you are like a soul-mate, and whatever you say to her is much more likely to be understood and most importantly - liked by her:)

A rough implementation of using trance words would be to take what she tells you and feed it back to her in a slightly different robing using her personal trance words. But when I say rough, I don't mean that its not working - the fact that it just doesn't have much style, doesn't mean that it isn't deadly effective:)

A more sophisticated approach would be to listen to and remember her trance words. And use them a little later:) And maybe in a slightly different context:) But the difference between this and the first method is only subtle - here you just have to use a little more imagination and have a good memory:)

An example:
You: "If I were to ask you, what's the most important thing in a relationship, how would you describe it to me?"
Her: "I want a man who makes me feel comfortable with myself" (you remember "feel" and " comfortable")
You: "Wouldn't it be nice if you could spend time with a man who makes you feel like you could let down your guard and just be comfortable? Whose voice soothed and at the same time stimulated you? I get the feeling that this could happen to you right now, with me."

Anchoring explained

A more advanced aspect of patterning is anchoring. Anchoring is an application of Pavlov's reflex in NLP (and also in Speed Seduction). A Pavlov's reflex is a conditioned reflex first explored and introduced by Russian scientist Pavlov. The core of his experiment was as follows - he rang a bell, gave a dog some food, the dog saw and smelled the food and started salivating. After a few times of repeating the process of ringing a bell, offering food and getting the dog to salivate, he eliminated the offering of food from the process. He just rang the bell and… the dog started salivating. By always ringing a bell while offering food, he had created a conditioned reflex in the test subject, which in this case was causing salivation by simply ringing the bell.

The same conditioned reflex can be created in a girl - this is called anchoring. In patterning this means, that every time you see the girl light up with delight, smile, laugh or just feel damn good because of the wonderful feelings you are creating in her with your patterns, you touch her in a specific place (the shoulder, elbow, inside of her arm) thus planting an anchor (the ringing of the bell while offering food:), while saying something "it's a great feeling, isn't it?" to mask your touch.

Let's say you've touched her elbow each time you've made her feel especially good three times already. If you now touch that very same spot on her elbow the same way you touched it on three previous occasions (applying the same amount of pressure etc.), she suddenly and unexpectedly has all those wonderful feelings, that were there when you planted the anchor, rush back to her without you having done anything else but touch her elbow (in other words: you just rang the bell without offering food, and she started to salivate:). If you're really good, you can plant different anchors for different feelings all over her body - an anchor of laughter on her shoulder, an anchor of excitement on her elbow, an anchor of feeling romantic on back of her hand and an anchor of feeling horny… on her knee:).

Furthermore, anchoring is not confined to touching alone - you can also use the tone of your voice, some specific words (whisper "oh yes do it!" in her ear a few times when she orgasms, then whisper those same words in her ear when being on some fancy reception and watch her turn red from a wave of passionate heat and lust. You don't even have to hide anything, she can recognise those words as "familiar" but she still can't help herself:).

It is however important not to overuse the anchors you have planted or she will eventually become insensitive to them. Ring a bell ten times without offering food and the dog will eventually stop salivating when hearing the bell ring.

The most practical use of anchoring is probably being able the keep a girl on a constant high when she's with you. Evoke positive feelings, and whilst she's experiencing them, anchor those feelings. But even the best PUA-s cannot keep evoking good feelings in a girl on a continuous basis, sooner or later, for whatever reason (she might be tired, have some worries, whatever), her mood will drop. That's where the feelings you have anchored come handy. Fire off an anchor (if you anchored laughter and fun to her shoulder, touch her shoulder) and she's happy again:) With no excess effort on your part:)

Quoting and stacking realities

Quoting has you say things through someone's else mouth - has you quoting somebody. This has the advantage of making the more timid or insecure girls feel more at ease with the content you are about to deliver and thus much more receptive to your suggestive talk, as you are not talking about her neither yourself but a "friend" of yours (this is also a good tactic to use when delivering a harsher than usual content (see the articles about "Sexual talk"). In order to understand what you are saying, she will have to apply everything you say to herself anyway, so don't worry about her not experiencing what your "friend" experienced:)

On the other hand, using quotes might be a slight hindrance to your success with more open-minded and adventurous girls, who wouldn't mind you describing them your or their feelings, because should a direct speech be accepted, it is always much more powerful than speaking through quotes. With such a girl describe her feelings and she goes "Goosh, this guy really understands my feelings!", or describe your feelings and she goes "Goosh, this guy has such deep feelings!". She'll be wet either way:)

As you shall see in the "Falling in Love" pattern, you can also quote an article, a lecturer, a TV-show, a book etc. All these quotes added up is called stacking realities - the way she will perceive it is that if the book says so, the article says so, the lecturer says so, his friend says so etc., then it must be true.

The reasoning behind quoting is to give the more shy and emotionally fearful girls more distance to feel more at ease with any given subject - to not have either her or you overtly involved in your descriptions (don't worry, her and you will be involved in those descriptions in her mind:). Another way of making her more at ease with any given subject is to use the hypothetical "If you were to...", "If I were to..." constructions, which now have the two of you overtly involved in whatever you choose to talk about, but only in a hypothetical way.

For example, use a "If I were to ask you…" in front of a "…what's the most important thing for you in a relationship…", the implication being that you're not really asking, finish that with a "…how would you describe it?" and you end up with a much more effective question of "If I were to ask you what's the most important thing for you in a relationship, how would you describe in?" than a blatant "what's the most important thing for you in a relationship?" on its own could ever be.

Examples of quoting to use sex-talk. Ross Jeffries:

"I found this letter on the lawn that my neighbor's daughter wrote. She is only 14 . . and I read, "You really shouldn't think about going down on a guy as you talk to him (on the phone) and you shouldn't think about making love to a man passionately (who you hardly know: who you are casual friends with.)"."

"Some men are so crude. I can't believe what I saw this dude do the other night. He walked up to this girl sitting at the bar next to me and said to her "Imagine us totally making out and you getting so incredibly turned on by it. If you were to feel that right now, try not to think about having me eat your pussy all night long and getting really horny." I can't believe a guy would ask a women to think about that all night long."

"You know, I have heard of guys being really crude towards women but you wouldn't believe what I saw last night. Well, I was sitting at this bar minding my own business when I saw this stranger walk up to this girl who was sitting next to me, look her right in the eye, and say " If I were to say to you that I'd like to eat your pussy all night long, would you get hot and horny or would you slap me and run away." Can you believe it! Did he really expect her to feel an incredibly lust inside, and enjoy imaging being made loved to all night long."

"My neighbor Cheryl acted so weird to me the other day. Do you know what she asked me? . . . She goes "John, Imagine you and me totally making out." And I'm like, "Cheryl, your 10 years older than me. And she says "wait, see this through your own eyes. Imagine you and me really enjoying ourselves passionately making out" I said, "No Cheryl, this isn't going to work out. And she says, "NO NO NO, just imagine it for a moment, just imagine us making out and you getting so turned on." Did she really expect me enjoy thinking about that over and over again, to the point where you can't get it out of your mind. If she does that again, next time I think I'll play it right back to her. Like say something like "Tell me Cheryl, What's it feel like when you experience fantastic sex when you're with someone who, you know mmmmm really knows how."

"You know I think it's so strange how people come up with things right out of the blue. My neighbor looks at me and says STOP and just . . . picture the . . . two of us . . . absolutely in love. Able to feel . . . totally connected, completely drawn to each other. What would it feel like then if I was kissing you exactly the way you like it, touching you exactly the way you like it, holding my body close to yours. God, did she really expect me to have those thoughts _____ Now with me, I know it takes time. I would never feel that right away. Its the kind of thing you go home and think about. You just picture it right up there in your mind find yourself dreaming those wonderful dreams of love with this special person you are now connecting so powerfully with. But you can't think about it on the spot as well."

"You know, sometimes I think women are so strange. I can't believe you all. Well, the other day, I was talking with my friend ____ and she looked at me and she said, "If you were to imagine we were in love, what are the two of three things about me that you could say that just cause you to fall in love with me the most." Now I can't believe, that's not the kind of thing you ask someone to think about on the spot. It's the kind of thing you might find yourself pondering. You know, maybe when you're doing everyday things like driving your car or taking a shower and you find that you think about it to the point where you can't get it out of your mind. I know its a wonderful thing to feel a growing desire for someone (sp) to the point where you imagine yourself with them in a mmmmm special way. But really, people shouldn't do that."

"You know I ask women what they think is the worst pickup line they have ever heard. Well, this woman told me what happened to her once .. this guy walked up to her in a bar, looked her right in the eye and said "imagine me going down on you just the way you like it all night long and you were getting so hot and so wet that you were begging to have me inside you". Did that jerk really expect her to have those thoughts ... with me I would never say such a thing."

Time distortion

Time distortion is having her think about a time in the future and her feelings for a special somebody "say six months from now" (see "Falling in Love" pattern). If you've done a good enough job, that hypothetical special somebody in her imagination will be you! She feels safe and secure with that as it is only her fantasy, just a thought, and nobody knows about it. Or at least that's what she thinks:)

But even if she doesn't imagine you as her special somebody, it doesn't matter. The object of time distortion is to have her imagine you and her six months from now, not even necessarily as lovers, just have her experience the thought of having known you for six months already. And before she knows it, she feels much more safe and secure with you, as if she has known you for a long time already (like... say... six months?:).

ASF: "It's really pretty simple. You just make up some bullshit fantasy that takes place in the future involving you and her and explain it to her. By the time you #close, it's almost ridiculous because she FEELS LIKE she has known you for so long already because you have taken her mentally to the future and in order to understand that she has to IMAGINE KNOWING YOU FOR MONTHS. She has imagined that you are good friends and like each other and travel together etc. You should see the looks on their faces when you say "so what's your number?", they can't believe how close they feel to you and you don't even have their number:)"

Example of a time distortion story (taken from "Sweep women off their feet..."):

"There was this girl I met over the Internet who would only respond once in a while, making me wait as long as two weeks for a reply if any at all. At one point I decided to put a stop to it. I wrote her the following little story:

"I know that right now it's hard for anyone to recognize when they meet the person they want to share their lives with, especially with the overload of information and male congestion on the Internet. But sometimes I think that Mother Nature provides food for every little bird in this world but that doesn't mean it will drop it in its nest. People are the same way. There is someone out there for every one of us, but we still have to go out there and find him or her.

With that in mind I cannot help but look into the future and see a young woman asking her grandmother for advice in the matters of the heart. You look at your grand daughter with love in your eyes, speaking in a kind voice, recalling moments from your youth when you weren't sure whether your heart was melting for the right man. Then you smile and tell her to trust her heart even if her mind says no, because there was a time when a young man was desperately trying to get your attention but for some reason he could not find his way into your heart. Just before you decided to put an end to his misery he wrote one compelling letter straight from his heart and that's when you knew he was the man who deserved your love. Your mind was still not convinced but you decided to let things happen at least for the sake of finding out for sure. Though it wasn't immediate, your heart and mind surrendered to the power of love. Had I given up at first we wouldn't be here talking about matters of the heart my dear girl, for that young man was none other but your grand daddy."

That one email alone made her not want to miss out on such a perfect future."

Bullshit fantasies

Girls love to dream. So dream with them:) First - they'll identify with you more strongly ("wow, a guy that likes to dream as well!"). But more importantly - dream a dream that is to her liking, and that liking will quickly translate into liking YOU:) Apart from being an application of time distortion to make her feel like she's known you for a long time, bullshit fantasies is also a powerful rapport and intense emotions creater, with all of those feelings quite naturally being linked to you. As they are just fantasies and dreams which are safe to share, the girl's possible resistance to participating will be almost non-existent, yet the feelings created can become very real indeed:)

Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":

"Even girls who are after power and money will screw the living crap out of you if they feel you are an investment that will bring the results they want. If you show them that you are passionate about something that has potential to bring success, power and money they won't be able to resist you even if that success, power and money is currently lacking. They simply look at you as an investment and they will put out just so that they don't lose out on this great "investment".

If she believes that you both like and want the same things she can still become very attracted to you if she also believes that you know more than she does about how to get those things that you both want, even if you don't deliver those things or feelings at the moment. She can become attracted to you if she believes that you will reach those goals faster than she will. She can become attracted to you if she believes you can show her how she can get what she wants.

For example, looking back at a scenario involving a girl who loves money and power. Even if you don't have that money and power, talking about how you will have all of that in the near future will go a long way. You can describe all the luxuries yet to be enjoyed and how wonderful it will be. Be as descriptive as you can and try to involve her in the realization of this dream that WILL COME TRUE. Get her to imagine herself as part of this wonderful life and don't be stingy on the details. You can even describe how you look forward to sharing this wonderful life with that "special someone". You can describe how the freedom of your riches will allow you the opportunities to fulfill so many fantasies, especially the ones about making love on a white sandy beach, or making love under the waterfalls in the wilderness on a tropical island etc. While you are talking about all this, use your body to link it all to you. Touch her lightly with a soft caress on her arm when you describe something soft and sensual. Squeeze her hand firmly when describing something of intense passion while you maintain eye contact all throughout."

Thought Binding

Ross Jeffries: "The first key to understanding Thought Binding is to recognise that people are basically hypnosis machines. If you tell their minds in what direction to move will absolutely DO IT EVERYTIME because people are not use to hearing these kinds of instructions. People are used to hearing babbling about content, in other words, reasons, data and facts, and that kind of stuff they can, do and WILL resist. But binding the direction of their thoughts? NEVER! Let me give you an example. Suppose their is some very nice young girl you want to impress. You could tell her lots of stuff about you. Ya know, say something dumb like:

"Well lots of women like me because I'm smart and funny and make good money, but other's find it's my honesty and looks that they are attracted to".

Yeah. Right. Well, problem is, you are tossing those facts, reasons and info at her, and like as not, she's heard this a zillion times before and isn't gonna buy it. If you must use an approach like this, why not bind the direction of her thoughts first? You'd do it like this:

"Hey, did you ever meet someone, and just instantly knew that you had to get to know this person better (point to yourself)? Maybe as you went inside and really got all excited about how much fun it'd be to get to know him and how curious and intrigued you were feeling? As you REMEMBER THOSE FEELINGS AS WE'RE TALKING, I'm just curious, do you first imagine how much fun they'd be to hang out with, and then get intrigued, or do you get intrigued first and then imagine how much fun this person would be (point to yourself)?"

Now, what are you doing here? You're setting up a mood and state of mind that's going to make her a lot more receptive by:

Having her recall what it's like to be in the mood you want her in (setting up the thought direction).

Giving her a command to STAY IN THAT MOOD WHILE SHE TALKS WITH YOU by using the phrase "as you remember those feelings as we're talking" (Binding the thought direction).

You've now set her up to be MUCH MORE RECEPTIVE to any "facts" about yourself you want to throw because you've set up and BOUND the direction of her thinking and emotional processes. From here on out, unless you are very stupid, she's dead meat. And the beauty is THEY NEVER CATCH IT, cause they aren't used to hearing it or looking for it. They just know they find you mesmerising, hypnotically fascinating and irresistibly attractive:) Notice also that we end by asking them about the order in which they did the process. That's to further mask the fact that we are giving commands by making it seem like the only reason we brought it up in the first place is we we're genuinely interested in learning about them! Ha! Are we sneaks, or what? By the way, the phrase "AS YOU REMEMBER"... is what we call a pre-supposition. A pre-supposition is just anything that HAS to be ASSUMED to be true in order for the sentence to make sense and be understood. Thus, with "AS YOU REMEMBER", the presupposition is that they WILL remember. Slick, isn't it?

Every decision people make is based in and dependent on their state of mind. If you don't like their decision, change their state of mind before you try to change the decision. So the key here, is to set up the right state using some of the thought binding techniques we've discussed, but also to recognise, that if you're getting resistance from a woman in the form of broken dates, calls promised but not made, etc., you need to back up and ask yourself the following questions:

Hmmm. What state of mind is she in right now with regard to me?

What's the final state I want her in?

How can I have fun transitioning her to the state I want her to be in when I pounce?

You can think of this as building a chain of states, with the state she's currently in as the first link, and the final state you want her in as the dog collar that's gonna go 'round her neck! Let's say she, for whatever reason, is in a state of INDIFFERENCE about going out with you. And let's say the final state you want her in is DROOLING OF DESIRE TO BE WITH YOU. Bit of a gap, huh? What you need to do here is come up with a state in between as a nice transition, like say, curiosity or intrigue, using some of our thought binding/pre-supposition techniques. You could try something like this:

"You know, when we go out, I don't know whether it will be an incredibly exciting adventure or just a wonderfully fun time, but it sure is going to feel good to laugh a lot, isn't it? When you think about it like that, are you aware of how much more it makes you really look forward to doing it?"

Now, that's LOADED with presuppositions. They are:

That we are GOING to go out.

That it's either going to be incredibly exciting or wonderfully fun.

That we are going to laugh a lot.

That she's thinking about it like that.

That it DOES make her look forward to doing it (the only question is how aware of it she is... this is a whole sub-class of "awareness" presuppositions, using words like "aware" "recognise" "know" "realise" etc.)

Now, does this sort of thing work? YES! IF... you deliver it with a smile and a laugh and say it like you MEAN it and expect that it's going to work! See, you need to make your tonality and delivery convey that YOU presuppose a POSITIVE outcome for your entire communication!!! So, the rule is to ALWAYS presuppose a positive outcome in your communication and ALWAYS present a communication that forces her to presuppose accepting AND (and this is a VERY important "and") ENJOYING IT! If you don't link fun and pleasure she's going to reject the entire communication!!! If you DO link pleasure and communication she won't resist cause she WON'T WANT TO!!!"

Submodalities

Adapted from Ross Jeffries' public seminar tanscript.

Ross Jeffries: "How many people know what submodalities are? The basic idea behind submodalities, is that people have locations for their internal mental imagery. That's when people make images on the inside of their mind, subjectively speaking, those images are located in different places. Let me give you an example. I'll give you an example. Come here, come on up here. Come up. What's your name?"

Audience: "Rod"

Ross: "Have a seat here. Let me show you what I mean. Can you stop and think about someone who you really, really like. Is there someone that you really like alot?"

Rod: "Yes I can"

Ross: "As you think about that person and you see their image in your mind don't you?"

Rod: "Yes"

Ross: "Imagine your mind is a movie screen. And if you were to take your finger and point to where on the movie screen you see their image where might you point right now. Right there. Very nice. Now can you think of someone who you can't stand at all? I mean, if you saw a car coming at this person, you might go "hey!" but you wouldn't be in too big of a hurry to get them out of the way. Where you see the picture? Where? And where is the picture of the person that you really like? Now take this picture of the person who you don't like much and try to move it over here and see what happens. Looks like it doesn't want to stay there, does it?"

Rod: "It's heavy"

Ross: "By the way, notice how the more you listen to me the more my picture goes right here. And the bigger and brighter it gets. And you just lock it there. Keep it there. That's a neat thing. The number one submodality is location, where people put their pictures. There's alot of other ones but for our purpose the one that we are going to be using is location. Yes, question."

Audience: "In many of the experiments that I've gone through with, I find that alot of the pictures are very spacial. They don't have a position, I can't put them in a position."

Read romance novels to enrich your patterning language

One of the most inexplicable things about women than their hunger for romance novels. What sane person would waste his/her time reading such garbage? Laughable plots, boring dialogue etc - well time to reassess your position:) Or at least - see it as "useful" garbage:)

When you read patterns for the first time you probably thought the very same thing - "Holy shit what garbage?! I can't believe this?! Is there actually a female there on this planet that would fall for crap like that??" Well women eat romance novels up like candy just like they fall for patterns for actually, the two have very much in common. Mark Cunningham, an accomplished student of Ross Jeffries': "I admit these books are difficult, because you're reading through them and you're going, "What the fuck are they talking about?". But if you lift some of the ideas and the language from them and say them in a slow, relaxed and powerful manner, women melt. They've finally found a man who knows how to communicate with them in a meaningful way." Guys, time to head for the library / book-store… and don't forget to approach some romance hungry HB's while you're there, and maybe ask for some pointers…:)

A list of recommended romance novels for this specific purpose: (any suggestions?).

Common misconceptions and problems with patterning

An article by Ross Jeffries explaining the most important misconceptions and problems people have with patterning. Ross Jeffries, ASF:

"The following understandings represent ways to clear up the most common misconceptions and problems that students I have talked with typically encounter.

Understanding #1: The Patterns Are Only Examples!
As Major Mark and I have said over and over again in seminars, the patterns sure are wonderful. Whether it's the Blammo, the Blow Job, the tried and true "Discovery Channel" or any one of so many patterns now in the Speed Seduction Þ material, it is important to realize they are only examples. They are examples of the kinds of communication that open and stimulate a woman to give her the deep emotional and imaginative experiences that she longs for.

Can the patterns, used word for word as we teach them, work for you? Of course! That's what they are designed to do!

But it is equally important to use the patterns as a teaching tool for yourself. To give yourself opportunities to learn about the types of communications that really stimulate women and give them what they really long for.

Think of the patterns as training wheels; when you first learned to ride a bicycle more than likely you did it with FOUR wheels, and NOT two. Once you learned the basics of balance and forward momentum; once you got "the feel" of things, the training wheels were removed and perhaps after a few falls, off you went!

Same with the patterns you'll find in the courses, videos, workbooks and seminars. They are as much tools to train yourself as they are methods to open and stimulate women!

Therefore, as you grow in the use of the materials, you will begin to find you adapt bits and pieces of the patterns in different order and in different ways to fit the individual situation and unique women you are encountering! In fact, you may well begin to create your own! That is a sign you are really at a level of great mastery!

Understanding #2: Getting "Caught" Is Bullshit!
One of the more common challenges new students bring up is the fear of "getting caught". Some students believe that using patterns is somehow like committing some kind of minor crime, like picking a girl's pocket or stealing her purse.

Remember, you can only fear "getting caught" if you view what you are doing as something wrongful or damaging.

What you need to understand is this: using patterns is not taking something away from her. You aren't stealing her wristwatch; you are giving her something wonderful. A chance to experience feelings and emotions and states of mind/body that very, VERY few people can ever give.

You need to believe that what you are offering to give has value, even if at first you aren't the smoothest in the delivery of it.

Look at it like this; if she had polio and YOU had the vaccine, would you feel nervous, guilty or shameful about telling her, "Hey?c'mere?.you really need what I have?".

Well, so many women, no matter how beautiful, are suffering from a disease far worse than polio. It's the disease of the expected?the hum-drum?the "used to that already". And you, my friend with the patterns and the understanding of women they give, are the cure for that and perhaps the only cure she will ever find.

Understanding #3: Gifts, NOT Apologies!
Another incorrect way to view patterns that you are now correcting is that somehow, they are apologies. Ways to make up for something that you are lacking. Ways of saying, "I'm sorry I don't have the looks or the body or the youth or the money that you want, but won't you please accept these pretty words, oh lovely Princess who I don't deserve to be with?"

Well, with THAT kind of attitude, which not only doesn't work but is also inaccurate, NO fancy words will work for you.

Listen?hear?get this understanding: the patterns are NOT ways of making up for what you lack. They are ways of offering women what it is THEY truly long for; the deep, powerful, emotional and imaginative experiences that every woman, deep in the core of her being, really looks and longs for.

It is not that you are making up for lack of looks, youth, money, status, etc. It is that these things may be what women are used to wanting, but are NOT what would really deeply fulfill them. The kinds of communications the patterns offer ARE. What other guys offer is counterfeit; "funny money" that women are used to accepting, because it's mostly the only thing in circulation. Speed Seduction gives you the genuine article; the pure gold "coin of the realm" instantly recognizable in women's souls and hearts as what they've always truly been looking for.

Understanding #4: Feelings Before Words!
So many students have told me: "Ross, the patterns seem so foreign to me. They just don't seem like they are me."

What's usually going on for these beginners is that the patterns are descriptions of experiences they themselves have never imagined or had. So naturally, they just seem like they are reciting empty words with NO meaning. These poor guys are so focused on memorizing the words, they haven't put any focus into getting some of the feelings.

You see, if you have never had a "peak experience" and haven't even imagined having one, it is pretty hard to sound convincing or to be captivating talking about it. It's just empty words with nothing to back it up. Sort of like the Japanese singing duo from the 70's, "Pink Lady". These two lovely Japanese girls understood not ONE word of English. But they were a big hit on the talk show circuit, singing English songs which they memorized purely by sound, the joke being how they obviously did not understand one single syllable of what they were singing!

The solution here, if this is your problem, is to focus, in the beginning, NOT on memorization, but on imagining for yourself the experiences the patterns describe. Imagine for yourself what it would be like to feel an incredible connection, a peak experience, the excitement and body sensations of "parts" of the Blow Job pattern, etc. etc.

As you read through and listen to patterns, imagine having the experience for yourself, and get at least some of the feelings you want to convey to the women you wish to seduce. Notice I said "some" of the feeling; if you get all of the feelings as intensely as you wish her to feel them, no one will have their hands on the wheel! Just get a bit of the feeling; enough to let that feeling guide the expression of your words.

In this way, the patterns serve to expand who you are. To give you experiences and to cause you to take notice of experiences that before might have gone [Image] completely by. As you expand who you are and how you experience your world, the bonus is you not only become better at patterns, but a more rounded and balanced human being who will naturally be more appealing to women by virtue of who you are and what you experience as well as by the words you know to say! Your success with the material will grow as you grow as a man.

Remember this very important principle: In life, you will not get what you want. You will not get what you "deserve". You will only get what the energies you can create can connect with.

Therefore, learn to create new and different energies for yourself by the experiences the patterns can give to you.

Understanding #5: The Importance Of Themes
If you want to learn to naturally flow from one pattern to the next it is important to understand and use themes.

Themes are simply overall ideas that tie patterns together.

Consider the metaphor of a strand of pearls. The theme is the string that holds together the pearls, which are the patterns.

There are many, many themes which are likely to lead to a successful seduction. Among my favorites are:
*Different places in the mind
*What we are used to wanting; what we THINK we want versus what would truly deeply fulfill us.
*Permission to explore
*Connections(with each other, with those deeper places in the mind, with our dreams, hopes, goals, wishes)
*Indulgence

As you go through the patterns in the course, notice how you can tie them together under one or more of these themes.

One way to look for a theme is to examine a group of ideas or things and see what they overall have in common. For example, in the following list:

* Disneyland
* Magic Mountain
* Sea World
* Six Flags

What are they all examples of? What do they all have in common? Yes, they are all places for fun, rides, attractions, crowds. Those are all elements they share. But overall, they all belong to the category of things called amusement parks.

So when you want to link one pattern with any other, find some overall experience or thing of which they are all examples.

Understanding #6: The Two Ways In Which Patterns Work
20% of the time when you use patterns, a woman will silently sit there, follow along quietly, go exactly into the states and experiences you describe and "poof"; you get banged!

80% of the time, however, the patterns work in a more interesting way.

Consider the metaphor of a pearl, once again. How are pearls made? Are they inserted directly into the oyster?

No; what happens is that a grain of sand gets into the oyster and acts as an irritant. The oyster forms the pearl around the grain of sand as a result of the stimulation caused by the little bit of foreign matter.

In the same way, with brighter, more intelligent and ultimately more suggestible and fun women, the patterns act to stimulate and awaken the deeper structures in her mind that have been laying dormant, asleep and hibernating, or that have been repressed for personal or social reasons. Thus the patterns stir her slumbering structures for fantasy, desire, indulgence, surrender, wild abandon, etc.

What happens when a woman suddenly feels these things awakening? Why, my good man, she does what women so often love to do. She TALKS!

Now, her talking is a good thing. For she is not only giving you solid information; accurate descriptions of her own internal models and maps for what the ideal fantasies, dreams, indulgences and surrendering should be like, but by talking she revivifies and re-awakens all these slumbering things.

So when she talks, LISTEN. Anchor her deeper responses with a touch or a glance or a sound or preferably all three at the same time and FEED back her own "personal trance words" into the standard patterns you have memorized! When you use HER own words, remember she not only doesn't resist, but these words act as signals to further awaken these deeper structures in her mind. You can then link these structures to you and amplify these things and show her how to experience them more vividly, profoundly and enjoyably then she ever has before! That is the key to seduction genius and power!

Understanding #7: How To Practice Pattern Flow
Ideally, you want to be able to flow from any one pattern to any other pattern. Just as in a boxing match, you want to be able to throw combinations instead of one punch every round, so too once you have a woman going with Speed Seduction you do NOT want to stop until you get your outcum? er? ah? OUTCOME.

Therefore, practicing pattern flow is vital!

One good way is to take the last sentence of any one pattern. Then come up with a linking or transitional phrase like, "It's just like" or "Another thing about that is this" and then the first sentence of the next pattern you want to use. Write these out in long hand and then, most vitally important practice saying these in sequence, out loud, so you know you can transition when you need to.

Do bear in mind that OUT LOUD practice, in the right state, with the right tonality and tempo is VITAL! The patterns are meant to be spoken, not written, so merely writing them is NOT sufficient practice!

Understanding #8: Do NOT Lust For Results!
Speed Seduction is not just about how you speak; it is a different way of perceiving the world. As such, it takes time to approach mastery. That means the key is to immerse yourself in these learnings. Practice all the time, every day, on as many people as you can. If you reserve your practice ONLY for beautiful women, you make beautiful women the cause of your skill, and THAT is a fatal error!

No, I'm not suggestion you get some disgusting ugly monster hot and horny. I am suggesting that using your skills to make virtually everyone you come in contact with feel much better than before they met you IS a good thing to aim at!

Above all, be patient with yourself. Learning takes place on many levels, and it can take some time, some stumbling and some plain fucking it up to get good.

But so what? You learned to walk and learned to read and write and that took plenty of trial and error. We are talking about a lifetime of results and enjoyment here!

Now, every once in a while, a student will tell me he has memorized every single pattern but hasn't tried a single one as much as once in the real world! And I must inform you if you are potentially such a person that you don't really understand Speed Seduction until you've gone out and done it!

If you aren't willing to stumble a little bit?..to undergo SOME discomfort, however slight, to get what you want in life, then how will ANY woman with ANY judgement at all find you attractive no matter WHAT words you say? If you care so little for your own life and happiness that you won't take a SINGLE step to improve your lot, then nothing I can teach you to SAY will help you one bit. NO woman would find such a man attractive.

So get up off your lazy, self-pitying, sorry ass, IF this describes you, and make a vow to work at making the material work. If you want everything handed to you on a platter, you are going to wait forever and get nowhere! USE THE ENCLOSED MATERIALS, GROW UP, and be willing to be an adult who will fight for what he wants instead of a spoiled child who waits for Mommy or Daddy to give it to him without cost! We've blazed a trail and smoothed the path and lit it up and marked it clearly; if there is an occasional pebble you have to step on, so fucking what! Get your ass moving!"

The various levels of NLS or Neuro Linguistic Seduction (which is what patterning seems to be called on Mindlist). By Zachary D. Marcy, Mindlist:

"I have been practicing NLP for about 3 years now. I have just stepped into my own since being on this list and being a student of Kenrick Cleveland. In this time period I have ran into an abundance of guys that are at different skill levels and stages in their lives with NLS. I wrote down several of them (including the ones I have experienced which seems to be all but a few). See if you can identify yourself with any or several of these stages and also write down what you think you can do to improve on them. I will try to give an example of each as I type them, but I don't want to be here all night so I may just ask you to ... USE YOUR MIND... to REALIZE... which stage I am refering too. Now, without furthur ado:

Excited about NLS but Lost - Remember when you first saw all the advertising about SS and NLS? How-open eyed you were and how all of your ideas for what you could do with this stuff ran wild.

Skeptical about NLS but Lost - Remember after you read your first pattern and wondered "how in the HELL could I start to talk to a woman like this?"

Diligent about NLS but Lost - You can't figure out why you keep doing these exercises about mirroring and matching etc... but you do... This is a GOOD stage, it makes the success worth it!

Computer Success but Lost IRL (in real life) - I didn't go through this much. Alex Akselrod knows about this stage...ask him about it.

Telephone and computer success but lost IRL - I did go through a success on telepersonals stage where I was too chicken shit to take in patterns in real life.

Stuck on one line and one pattern (not flexible) - this has a ton to do with memorizing patterns!

Some Success but not repeatable - You have some how managed to get a few success' using a few ideas and patterns and just haven't been able to repeat them. This usually comes when you are being selective and you aren't that flexible yet.

Some Success and ONLY repeatable with some types of women - most of the time the success was dumb luck. I use to have this problem a bit too. I managed to get a few patterns and ideas that worked well with certain types of women and I just used those and that was it. This was the second stage I expereinced with NLS. The first was no 1 and I next went to this stage. It was hard for me too. I ran into a rut where I didn't meet women that fit this type that I had originally set in my mind and I almost threw NLS out of the door. I am glad I was persistent with it!

Playing the odds game - you approach 10 women and get one. I was always too picky from the start to do this. Now, understand, this is GREAT practice.

Snagging Many (approaching about a 60-70% success rate) - remember SUCCESS is

defined by YOUR desired outcome! Not my definition of success!

Doing Great and Being Picky (going for types) - THIS is where was about 3 months ago. I liked this stage in my NLS career!

Just Flat out picky and not using NLS on any women unless they fit your criteria - here is where I am currently at. It's odd, I figured I would like this stage! I really don't ... I am going back to being a huge flirt again!

Find and NLS the Girlfriend and yet you cheat on her - This is a saftey girl... you can do this with just dating a girl too. Unfortunantly, I went through this phaze a while ago.

Find the GirlFriend type and get her - I belive this is what I am currently searching for... where the hell is she?

Find the ONE to marry - DO WHAT? OK OK... so I have heard several success stories similar to this one. I am young and have a full life ahead of me. I am not looking into this... YET.

Using NLS to make your marriage work or make it better - ask someone who knows.

Using NLS to make your relationship better - It worked for me and my ex. It also made me realize who I didn't want to be with.

Realize that these ARE NOT in any order per se. Most of them are just various stages on relatively the same plain. This may give you goals to strive for or just idea of where you are currently at. It might give you application that you haven't realized before... but you realize your application now."

How to approach and introduce patterns into a discussion

Obviously you just cannot sit down in front of or beside a girl you're not acquainted with and start with a pattern ready to plant anchors, listen to trance words etc. Here's where the skill of fluff talk comes to play.

If you're witty, creative, observant or anything in that direction, you can use the casual "we know each other from before" approach and just start talking about the event you both just witnessed, something "new" you just noticed about her (never mind that she's "all new" to you anyway:), ask for her opinion about something, a new piece of clothing of yours etc. Just about anything goes as long as it doesn't look like an approach and a pick-up attempt - an impression which should initially be avoided at all costs.

When things are going well, you can turn your interaction into a pick-up, but with more experience you can even have her do the pick-up (meaning she offers her phone-number and asks yours, when you seem to be leaving:). But once you have the conversation going, keep in mind that the general direction you want the conversation to go is the one which let's you introduce a pattern, and then another, and then another:) 'Til she's dripping wet or goes unconscious from all the highs you are taking her:)

A natural conversation hops from one thing to another and can be fulfilling if the subject being discussed is thrilling to both parties of the conversation. Pick your hops so as to move closer to being able to naturally introduce a pattern but be also very sensitive to the hops she takes and change you goals accordingly - choose another pattern to eventually end up with, modify the one you had in mind or in your final stage of mastery of SS: make up and deliver an appropriate one on the fly:)

See also the on SS in the July'98 issue of Playboy. The article is a good example of how starting with patterns right at the outset is a doomed approach, they just sound too lame and embarrassing. But the one time the journalist does it right, starts with some fluff talk, has the "actually we know each other" attitude, comments on something which has some sort of understandable meaning for the girl and only THEN delivers a pattern he made up on the fly about it and - BOOM, it works!

Discovery Channel pattern

You: "You know, I saw the most interesting show on the Discovery Channel last night. They were interviewing people who make their living designing attractions for amusement parks like Magic Mountain and Disneyland and Universal Studios. Wouldn't that be a cool way to make a living?"

Her: "Yeah! That sounds so interesting."

You: "Well, anyway, they were talking about the elements that make up the ideal attraction (sp). They said there are 3 parts to the ideal attraction. First, when you EXPERIENCE the ideal attraction, you FEEL A STATE OF HIGH AROUSAL. The ideal attraction makes your heart beat faster, and your breathing gets faster and you just FEEL THAT AMAZING RUSH all over."

Her: "Yeah!"

You: "And then they said that another part to an ideal attraction is - it's fascinating. You just FEEL SO ENTHRALLED that you want to TAKE THIS RIDE (point to your pecker!) multiple times; as soon as you GET OFF you want to GET BACK ON again."

Her: "Yeah!"

You: "And they said, finally, the most important element, is a sense of overall safety. That even though the attraction make look a little dangerous, you're CERTAIN YOU'RE SAFE... you FEEL SAFE because you realise nothing bad can really happen, so that allows you to FEEL TOTALLY FREE to LET GO AND ENJOY THAT GREAT AROUSAL again and again and again. Can you (squeeze her hand) feel _that_... is pretty close to the way it is?"

Her: "Oooh...yeah!!"

Ok, this pattern has been reported to make women cum, out of the blue, just by reciting it to them:) Usually though, after you're done with your description, the girl says with a sly smile "Sounded more like making love:)" Don't be shocked, don't stiffen up - for she loved it regardless:) Or rather... exactly because of that:) And if nothing else comes to mind, you can answer with a confused look at first and then a "Well... now that you mention it:)".

You: "When you imagine how much fun it is to ride a roller coaster or any other kind of amusement park ride .. Its like as that ride is climbing up and up, you can feel your heart pounding with excitement, you feel you're breathing faster and faster, sometimes you're even gasping and panting you feel the blood rushing through every part of your body and as that excitement and tension is building and building, you reach the top of the ride and then as it crests, you just release it in a flood of excitement, and sometimes you're screaming you're so turned on.

And you know, afterwards I thought to myself, isn't that the totally accurate description of your ideal attraction to another person. You know that kind of wonderful click right there (right in the center of who you are) that just makes you feel totally drawn to this person and on one hand you feel totally safe and totally comfortable like you were meant to know them and as if you've known them forever."

Stone Necklace pattern

"Keep in mind, as always, that this is NOT a "magic bullet" so it should be used as part of an overall seduction structure. Also keep in mind that I DO NOT say this to a babe word-for-word. I wrote it out long this way because I tend to recall more when I'm out sarging, if my patterns were written with a shitload of details. (And also so I knew where I wanted to go with it, and what commands I wanted to include.)

"I've been staring at your necklace, wondering why it reminded me of something, and now I remember what it was.

I recall a story I had read once, called "The Eros Stone Necklace." It was about a woman who was growning apart from her lover, and was losing faith in love.

One night she was out walking, up in the mountains near her home. As she sat upon some rocks, and was staring up at the stars, she made a wish that a man would come into her life, and fill her with the adventure she had been missing. Suddenly, there was a flash around her, which at first startled her. But then she began to… FEEL VERY RELAXED. A nice… soothing… comfortable feeling filled her body. Then an image flashed into her head. An image of passion so incredible… so fulfilling, that she almost thought she were dreaming. At first she tried to deny that she was starting to… FEEL A WARMTH DEEP INSIDE… because she was afraid to feel that good. But the more she allowed herself to… FEEL THAT WARMTH INCREASE, the stronger it became, and the more she wanted this to continue. Then she started to... HEAR THIS VOICE…inside her mind. And the more she allowed herself to... LISTEN TO THIS VOICE… the more it relaxed her, the more it warmed her, the more it caused her to… LISTEN INTENTLY TO WHAT'S SAID. The voice began to change, and started to sound like her own voice. And this voice said to her, "Focus on what is in front of you, and you will discover that which you desire." Then, POOF, the voice was gone, leaving her to… UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID.

She put her hand to her chest, to settle her breathing, and felt something around her neck. She pulled it forward, and saw that where there was once nothing, there was now a beautiful necklace, with a (the color of her stone) colored stone. She was of course confused at first, but then she recalled the voice that she had heard, and what it had said to her; FOCUS ON THIS (point to self) RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU… AND YOU WILL… FIND WHAT YOU DESIRE. Now, it all becomes clear. She has the necklace, and somehow it will give her what she desires. Without even fully understanding what is happening, the decision is made to pursue this…to have what is desired deep down inside. She said to herself, "No matter what anyone else says to you, this is what you want (point to self) this is what you deserve, and you're going to do it for all your own reasons."

The next day she went into town to buy some things, and was amazed… by what happened… upon entering the market.

(Stay quiet and wait for her to say something)

Upon entering the market, she saw this man (point to self) and felt a tingle, give me your hands (when she gives you her hands do this) a tingle like this, and warmth, a very strong warmth, that ran (slowly move finger up arm) all the way… up her body.

The man's eyes caught her eyes, and they stared for several moments. That warmth deep inside, began to get stronger, and stronger, and stronger. And as the man approached her, she started to FEEL DESIRE FORMING deep inside of her… right… in… here (touch solar plexus). It was like an energy had formed around them, like a soft… private bubble, surrounding them from the rest of the world. In this moment only these two people (motion back and forth subtly) existed.

He smiled, and said not a single word, and instead kissed her lips softly. She closed her eyes and took in the moment (take in a breath, then let it out slowly with a slight moan). At last, she had found the man who would make her feel alive again. The man pulled back to look into her eyes, and whispered softly, "What can I do, what can I say, to make you mine, if but only for a night?" She thought about what it was she wanted, and asked herself, "What do you want deep down inside of you? What is missing from your life right now that you want from this man?" And with only a smile, she took his hand, and lead him out of the market.

They talked for hours, sharing insights, and opinions, dreams, and desires. Then they simply fell into each others arms, and made love for the night. It was unlike anything she could imagine. He touched her exactly how she wanted to be touched, made love to her exactly how she wanted to be made love to. And all of this was the result of a chance encounter, and a magical necklace. As they held each other later, he complimented her on her necklace. She revealed to him what had happened the previous night on the mountain, and how she came to possess the necklace. He kissed her lips, then said, "Every time you become aware of having this necklace, think of me. And every time you touch this necklace, I will feel your touch upon my face, and I will smile." They parted the next morning, but made plans to meet again that evening.

Sadly, she decided not to meet him after all, for she feared that this magical, wonderful, amazing adventure she had shared with this man (point to self) would eventually be ruined for one reason or another someday. She instead chose to REMEMBER FOREVER that one perfect night, with this one perfect man. She thought of him often, and his image was never far from her mind. And ever day she would touch that necklace, and every day she would FEEL AN INCREDIBLE WARMTH for she knew, that somewhere, he was smiling.""

The Trust pattern

Johnny Shack: "You want to overcome the common trait of thought that women believe you will dump them immediately after the deed is done if they are so easily led into the bedroom. Heres what you can say as a story to place calmness and trust into the girl's mind. Make sure you carefully ease this into the conversation during the night. Look for the opening to say it. Think of it like a jig-saw puzzle except your trying to fill in another gap.

"Yeah trust. It's a funny thing. I actually lost some faith in girls a couple of years ago". Now you need to pause here to get her to ask why. By doing the pause you achieve a couple of things. The first is that you don't blow your cover about your rehearsed story by reeling off a memorised statement. The second is that you may be placing her in the perfect position for your intentions. She will hopefully want to prove you wrong and restore your faith in the trust of women.

"I had a one night stand with a girl and we didn't see each other again for a couple of months". Here you are saying to her that one night stands are okay. The way you are saying it in open conversation with this girl will downplay the one night stand black cloud that hovers over it in girls minds.

Then say: "I lost her number so I couldn't catch up with her". You are now telling her that you didn't act like the typical male bastard by not ringing her after getting what all males only want. You're saying you would have, if only you hand't lost her number. It also says you still want to see a girl after a one night stand and she will think: "If I fuck him tonite he won't just burn me like other guys have done to my friends and also to me. This guy is great. I won't have to play the hard to get routine with him to keep him interested in me. I can fuck him tonite and he'll still ring me".

Then you say: "Anyway, what happened was that a very close mate of mine one day just came right out and asked me if I'd slept with this girl". You are now putting in her mind that you don't ever discuss women stories even with your close mates. She's thinking: "If he doesn't mouth off to his mates he probably doesn't tell anyone what he does".

Then say: "I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I never tell even my best mates what I do and don't do with girls, so she must have been the one to open her mouth". You're now acting shocked and amazed how the info got out because you don't even tell your best mates. You have made her believe your story about not telling your mates because it is a close mate who is telling you this news and you are just beside yourself as to how he would know what happened. She will be thinking now: "The girl must have been the one to tell his friend because who else would have"?

When you deliver these lines, after a while you will even start to believe them yourself. Try to let yourself get involved in the fantasy of your lines to women. When you convey your well timed lines in this manner you will be well on the way to getting the woman or women you desire."

The Rose patterns

Pattern I

An excellent pattern by Brother Soul, Mindlist:

"The basic theory of this pattern is to use it as a method to take the woman into a deep trance (she will actually assist you – isn’t that great?!?!) and put your picture in her place where she loves someone and then lock it in as absolutely true. Now, this type of pattern will create a real obsession and will lock in her feelings for you. The one problem is that it really shouldn’t be used in most contexts unless you are really sure that this is a keeper. So, use of this pattern is very very dangerous. Please use caution because you just might have created an obsessive person. This basically creates a strong compulsion via submodality shifts and locks in that change. My suggestion is to use this on your girlfriend or wife.

The setup for this pattern is to engage the woman in conversation. I will assume, for the purposes of this pattern, that you are able to get her into fluff talk. During the fluff talk, develop rapport, and ask about how sometimes you have a down day and feel bad. Then tell her you learned this great visualization exercise in a relaxation book. Now, women love talking about and doing anything related to self-help and improving themselves. Ask her if you could show her this exercise that will allow her to feel really great at any time (most woman will agree to this – if she doesn't, well... you're out of luck... and would you want her anyway???).

(Note: First, have her close her eyes and set it up as a visualization exercise to help her feel good... absolutely wonderful, at any time she wishes)

[BEGIN PATTERN]

You know, I learned this great visualization exercise that really helps you pick yourself up when you aren’t feeling that great. It really has helped me just perk myself up during the day and just make me feel wonderful. Would you like me to show it to you, so that you too can do this and feel absolutely wonderful? It will only take a minute or two and really will bless you with the things it can do for you.

Her: Oh yes. I would love that. Yada Yada Yada.

Okay. I would love to share this with you and really contribute to your happiness [notice the set-up for reciprocity]. I invite you to visualize a mental screen much like a movie screen, in front of you. As you see this mental screen, allow yourself to see your favorite flower. And, as you see this flower, allow the full sensory rich detail of the flower to be on the mental screen. See it in vivid color, each detail of the flower springing forth. Now, if I were to ask you which type of flower you are seeing, what would you say was the type of the flower? (good way to learn her favorite flower)

Her: Roses (tulips, carnations, etc.)

Doesn’t it FEEL WONDERFUL to see the rose in such beautiful detail? As you see that flower, see the beautiful color of the rose. Allow the rich texture of it to become alive. While you see this color, hear the rustle of the petals as you see the wind blow slightly against the petal. And, reach out and allow the smell to become stronger, richer, and oh so beautiful. You can notice that it makes you FEEL SO RELAXED AND COMFORTABLE.

Now, as you look at this beautiful rose... if you were to visualize a picture of a family member you love dearly, like say your child, parent, or someone special, where would it be on the mental screen. Allow yourself to notice the location of where that picture was (notice presupp. here). What would really make that rose wonderful, would be to place that rose in the same location as where you saw the picture of the family member. As you now see the picture of the rose in that special place, let each petal of the rose represent some aspect of a goal, dream, or wish you want to have in your life. Allow YOUR UNCONSCIOUS mind to place those goals, dreams, and wishes in the flower. As you do this, see me in that picture smiling as you hand me that rose to hold for you. Allowing you to FEEL WONDERFUL at the knowledge that you can ask for the rose at any moment and I will hand it to you and making you FEEL SO WONDERFUL.

Now as you feel these feelings, see that picture becoming more clear, more focused. The picture is full of rich texture, reach three-dimensional detail. Allow the smell to grow, smell the sweet scent of the flower. Allow the picture to grow larger, with each breath, it grows larger. And as you see it grow, the picture comes closer to you…become more clear. Moving closer to you. See the color becoming more vivid, more detailed. And, it becomes more sharp, and becomes more and more like a movie... with movement.

Now, allow YOUR MINE to take this flower within yourself. Sometimes, the conscious mind gets in the way of your growth. Allow YOUR UNCONCIOUS mind to find that special place within you. That special place where you hold everything to be absolutely true. You know where that special place is, and as you feel and sense that special place, allow the picture of me holding that flower to GO DEEP INSIDE within that special place and lock in there. As that picture of me holding the flower locks in, hear the clanging sound similar to the slamming of a gate. You know that the picture is now locked into your place of absolute truth.

Now, it might surprise you how your unconscious mind will allow this picture of me holding the flower to pop up during your days to remind you of these wonderful feelings and allow you to FEEL SO FABULOUS. And, during your sleep, your unconcious mind will allow this to become a dream….helping you to FEEL SO GOOD.

[END OF PATTERN]

DISCUSSION

Now, this pattern does not rely on embedded commands to create a horny state in the woman. But, let me assure you, by the end of this pattern, the woman will be so wet for you. The great thing about this pattern is, that it not only creates physical arousal, it also creates the "warm fuzzies" that creates rapport and connection with you. Its like a two for one deal. The key to the pattern is that it links you to all her hopes, wishes, desires, and dreams (you holding the flower) and places that picture of you (moving pictures) in the location where she has pictures of those that she loves. Now the kicker is, that it moves that picture into her place of absolute truth to forever lock her love to you. The whole process of asking her to allow you to show this to her is that it really takes her (with her own help) into a trance, a highly relaxing trance."

Pattern II

You can make her feel good, warm and trustful by having her imagine the symbol of eternal love and happyness - the rose - in extravagant detail. Notice the messages of the fleeting nature beauty and seizing/enjoying the moment. The seduction was conducted via the internet (thus all the "imagine me hugging you" stuff etc:), but as always - tailor it to your own needs. By Jobet Claudio, Mindlist:

Me: Look...when you think about it...everything is fleeting. It's not how long you've had a guy... it's the wonderful memories that you can share together, right here, and right now. Let me give you an example. Imagine... a rose. A beautiful rose... now... hold it by the stem... gently... mind the thorns... now... look at the petals... notice the soft color of the petals... and how soft the petals are to touch... how silky smooth they are... it's such a wonderful, beautiful thing of creation... now... look at it in wonder of nature's beauty. Realize now... that this rose... may not look like this any more... perhaps in a couple of hours... it will lose its freshness as it eventually withers. But what's important... right now... is that you are looking at it... in all its splendour and beauty. Right now, you have it... for you to enjoy. For your eyes to look at... for it to warm your heart and make you feel so good. Its just like love. It may not always be there... it may be with you for only a short time... what's important... is to make every moment count... to make every memory of it a wonderful thing to look back upon.

Her: [a simulated response on the general theme of being mistrustful] But I can't trust anyone anymore. I'll just get hurt again.

Me: [a trust-building image in response to the above] Okay. This will make YOU FEEL BETTER. Take a deep breath... and that rose that you're holding... now... I'm handing back this rose... back to you...take it gently from my hand... Now... doesn't that feel so good... just to realize that you can trust someone with your deepest longings... your fondest dreams... your greatest desires? I'll be there if you need me. Okay...one last thing...what I want you to do... is to look down at where that good feeling is coming from... and notice how it can get twice as strong... twice as good when you allow it to grow (go for 10 X after you're done with this).

Her: [a simulated response on the general theme of feeling so good that it made her cry] Enough enough! No more please! [silence] You made me cry here on my computer, you know, it felt so good.

Me: Okay okay... here... I'm hugging you now... feel the warmth of my arms."

Pattern III

To make the imaginary rose you give her feel even more special, you can use the following excerpt suggested by Ned Ragdnuos on ASF:

"Picture a rose in your mind, smell the fragrance, see the frops of sparkling dew on the leaves, feel how the thorns are so sharp they penetrate your skin, yet somehow the feeling is pleasurable, like the feelings of SURRENDER, NOW TO ME I find that when I give a rose with my imagination, it's so much more real that those roses that other guys give, because they fade away (point away), whereas (continue describing how the rose you have given her will stay in her heart always, growing a little each day, until perhaps you'll meet again)."

Believing the Supernatural patterns

Three themes that mean more to girls than you can probably guess are here for you to elaborate on:) Daniel, ASF:

"Our paths crossed not just by chance, but there is a reason for everything that happens, like i met you and you met me and on some level this will work out to be a positive experience for both of us"

"You know people have energies, you can just sense these vibes coming from people, like i sense the feeling that you are a social, fun and someone who is comfortable with themselves and interacting with other people, someone who isnt afraid to get to know someone on a deeper level, a level that reaches past the casual introduction and into the level of deep and profound connection"

"I believe in a higher being, someone who looks after you and make sure you meet ppl who you can get comfortable with, after all your destiny is to meet someone who appreciates you and what you think"

Mental Screen pattern

NS (NightShadow): Remember where on your mental screen you saw those images of you and your old flame?
DB (Defenseless Babe): Yes

NS: Now, on that same screen recall a time you felt the most incrdible sensation that you have EVER experienced (first orgasm is almost always the response). Picture it and open your eyes when you feel it the most intensely (this gets her to see your face RIGHT AFTER those feelings. Ross prefers to have someone wag their finger and you anchor it like that.) Open your mine to me and allow the sound of my voice to PENETRATE your thoughts.

DB:(opens eyes)

NS: What did you see?

DB: BLAH BLAH BLAH

NS: Awesome, ok, Nude-Erection (new direction, one of my favs). After you felt that great feeling and opened your eyes and saw me, where you still excited?

DB: well, yeah

NS: Do I make you feel good? Thats ALL MY GOAL IS to do with you is make you feel good (who can see what I am doing here?). So whenever you need to feel good just imagine MY WORDS THAT I linked to your feelings and picture those feelings and my face on your mental screen.

Passion to Passion pattern

This pattern will actually be constructed by her. All you have to do is to carry her description of a passion for something over to a passion for someone (and not forgetting to self-point while doing that:) and ask her, how would that feel.

By Kevin Kupal, mindlist:

"It works well because you'll be seducing her from her own side of the fence, using feelings that she already feels about something she's "passionate" about, as opposed to trying to install feelings from the outside.

I have field tested this and have come to one general conclusion: it works only in women who have a "passion" for something... be it mountainclimbing, biking, helping people etc. It fails with "boring" women... the types who say "I only stay at home and watch TV".

Here are the steps.

1. Find out if she has any activity she feels "passionate" about. Most likely, these may be her work, her hobby, extra-curricular activities (if still in school)... anything she would do even if she did it for free.

2. Ask her... what's important to you in doing (activity)? What do you feel when you go (activity)?  C'mon, tell me what it feels like when you're there, actually doing (activity). At this point, I am actually putting her in an internal rep of actually doing that activity, and associating her into the states the she feels while doing the activity. I'm eliciting feelings/criteria. You're basically looking for nominalized "feelings" such as "satisfaction" , fulfillment, love, challenge, "rush" etc.

3.Then, feedback these nominalized "feelings" and  link these to you. I was just wondering...well...a funny thought occurred to me...what would it be like when you just find yourself feeling all those feelings you have for (activity) for another person (point to self)?  Can you imagine what's it like if those feelings you have for (activity), you also feel for, let's say, your boyfriend (point to self) ?

Example

Me: I was just wondering, what do you really love doing? Name something that you would do that you find so engrossing that you'd do it, even if you were never paid to do it?

Her: Well... when I get some stacked up vacation leaves, I go mountain climbing with the local mountain climbing association.

Me : Oh...you like mountain climbing. I'm curious...what is it about mountain climbing that makes you love it? What do you feel when you're mountain climbing? What's it like when you're there now, mountain climbing?

Her: Well...uphill its very hard and steep...but once you get to the summit, you can feel the wind on your face...all that exhiliration...freedom...sense of accomplishment and just this feeling of fulfillment...those make the hike worth every step...

Me: (giggle a little)...A funny thought just came over me. I'm just wondering, what would it be like if you could feel all those feelings in another human being? I mean, what if you could just IMAGINE, having a boyfriend (point to self, subtly) who also makes you FEEL ALL THAT EXHILIRATION...that FREEDOM that sense of ACCOMPLISHMENT and deep FULFILLMENT. When YOU'VE FOUND THAT GUY, when the time comes that YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIM...feeling all those feelings...NOW what would it be like?

Her : Gee...I'd do him just as much as I do mountain climbing...and with equal passion...oh...I didn't mean it like I said it! (hahaha...Freudian slip!)

Peak Experience pattern

You: "Can you remember the last time you had a peak experience? Like climbing a mountain... or watching a beautiful sunset... or the first time you looked at someone (point to yourself, self-pointing, sp) and recognised YOU REALLY LOVE THIS PERSON (sp)."

Her: "Sure..."

You: "What was that like?"

Here you should shut up and let her describe it. Listen carefully as she will give away lots of trance words.

You: "That's really interesting. You know, I find it so neat how YOUR MINE can be going along in one direction, you know in an everyday ordinary state, and then SUDDENLY for whatever MYSTERIOUS reason, you just GO INTO A MUCH DIFFERENT STATE... a state where YOUR MINE is so in touch with the MYSTERY and the WONDER and the beauty of life (point to yourself, dumbshit!). And sometimes it's like in YOUR MINE, you just SLOW TIME DOWN, and the whole world stops, as you just LET YOURSELF GO WITH THIS (point to yourself). Can you FEEL THAT (reach out and touch anchor) is an incredible thing to experience… WITH ME… NOW, I know that for a lot of people different things can trigger that."

Her: "God... yeah... I LOVE the way you talk... it's like your inside my soul."

You: "Well, thank you (whatever-your-name-was). And you know, for a lot of people falling in love, or an orgasm are peak experiences, but for me, it's music. Like, the other night I was listening to Mozart, and I don't know if you are familiar with him or not ("Moe who?" - at least that's what Arnold Schwartzenegger responded with in Last Action Hero:), but some of his stuff is just a series of short little musical segments... like little pecks on the cheek, and with some of his stuff those segments just GET LAID (whatever-your-name-was), from end to end, and keep getting repeated. But his really great stuff is composed of these long, slow, lingering movements... they're like long, slow, lingering kisses... long slow lingering caresses, and you just FEEL ALL OF THAT ALL OVER YOUR BODY when you LISTEN... TO ME… NOW... it's an incredible thing... you know."

Ross Jeffries: "This induces a pretty damn loosened up, altered state and you've already dropped in a few good sexual metaphors too. What's CRITICAL is you speak slowly, and make sure you anchor when you are getting the responses. Also...make sure your gestures match what you are talking about. Don't make short, choppy gestures if you are talking about long, slow, lingering, movements or you'll be dating your hand! Where could you go from here? Well, pretty much anywhere. You could transition to gathering info about her values by saying something like, "So... if you could just imagine your ideal, peak relationship... what are some of the things that would be important to you to be there?" Or you could move on to the blow job pattern or incredible connection or whatever."

As for Moe (sorry, Mozart:) - hey, these are just examples, insert something that has deep personal meaning for you and describe that instead.

Natural Woman pattern

Mindlist:

"Do you think most men know what women really want?"

Of course, she'll just laugh.

"I think most men might THINK they know, but I think almost every man makes one, huge, critical mistake when it comes to women..."

(Now THAT should get them intrigued.)

"The mistake is that they don't recognize that in each woman their are actually TWO women... the natural woman and the culturally programmed woman. The culturally programmed woman is the one with all the rules and all the roles... all the restrictions, constrictions... all the shouldn'ts, shoulds, don'ts, can'ts, mustn'ts...etc.

But the natural woman....that's the woman right there at the core... where you keep your most exciting memories... where you ponder fantasies... daydreams... amazing possibilities... the things you'd do if no one were watching and no one... even your best friends... would ever, ever know about...

Most men just do things that trigger the culturally programmed woman... But when a man... a rare man... can touch a woman in that special place in all those special ways you LONG to be touched... in ways you maybe even can't admit to yourself... then WOW... an almost complete transformation takes place... and you start blossoming way beyond what you ever even thought possible.

So I think the smart man is the man who has the realization that that place is there... waiting and longing... even inspite the fact that women often have to lock all of that away... and yet they are still there..."

Meeting the Perfect Man pattern

You know I think that everyone with a head on their shoulders has got to have some idea of what they’re looking for in a relationship.

Maybe you’ve met guys in the past where you come home from the date or get off the phone and you’re saying ‘Well he seems to have a lot of this, but I don’t know if he’s got enough of that’ or ‘Yeah he has a lot of what I look for but there’s just this one thing about him I don’t like’, and while it might seem natural to evaluate someone like that sometimes, I never do it - at least not with someone I’m really interested in.

Haven’t you ever met a guy who you were just so attracted to everything about him (confusing on purpose), you could just feel how he satisfied all of your values, and afterwards you weren’t picking him apart with all those questions, you were just imagining everything that would happen the next time you were with him? - A guy where you knew he had something to offer and you would do whatever to be sure it was offered - to you?

(If Yes, find out what that was like & incorporate it. If no just go on).

You see that’s the kind of person I’m looking for - It’s like, what if you maybe started off meeting this person and you still had that ruler handy, that one you use in your mine to measure guys, ready to measure if he had enough of this or that, but then, as you talked to him longer and as the time passed you were just having so much fun, it’s as if you just started instead to pay attention to those gut intuitions that just said overwhelmingly ‘You want this guy, you want this guy, you want him bad!’

And instead of wasting your attention on measuring, you just felt that growing compulsion building, and now it’s just like all those values you look for just blend together and you see right then that he had what you really value, and you stop your measuring because this guy’s longer (sp) than your ruler (sexual innuendo)!

With me, that’s the kind of excitement I look for in a relationship and when the excitement is there, that’s when you feel absolutely compelled to just go for it now (dickpoint)."

Feeling Drawn patterns

Pattern I. Ross Jeffries:

"Isn't it interesting how everyone is so different yet in so many ways we are all the same.

I mean for example, I don't know what it is you do, when you decide for yourself that you really want to be with someone, and you know it's what you want, cause you find yourself imagining it ... you picture it in your mine and you look forward to it for all the right reasons. Reasons that are right to you because you know its what you want, but I think you know a person can find that when that's what's taking place, wow, what a difference in the way they think and just how readily you then begin to make time for this special person you are now connecting so strongly with.

Its a totally different experience, its like you feel almost magnetically drawn to this person, you know what I mean? And sometimes I think a person wouldn't even know that that's what's taking place until afterwards. And you look back on it as one of those amazing memories you treasure/cherish for the rest of your life ... now ... with me as I think long and hard about it I think that's the process of discovering that a person is being drawn to another person."

Pattern II. Ross Jeffries:

"You know, how you can have thoughts that cause you to feel fascination. Like, I was thinking about how, for many people falling in love can sometimes take months. But have you ever thought about what it would be like for you to fall in love instantaneously where you feel like you were talking to your soulmate (point).

I mean, imagine there being someone who was selected for you, picked out long before you were born. I mean if you were to feel that way, now.. I think you may be surprised to find yourself beginning to almost feel magically enchanted; and you might find yourself wanting to be with this person in a very special way.

Because, when a person feels they have met their soulmate, like when you imagine this person being your dream lover (sp), I think you would feel a mysterious yet powerful loving connection taking place between you and him that when . . that's really happening . . with me in my way of thinking what is happening is . . you go inside yourself (down into your subconscious) and you find all those values that are most important to you in a relationship and you think about the qualities in a personality you want your ideal lover to have (sp), and then find those and link them up with the person you're talking to (sp), in such a way that a picture of him (frame), for whatever mysterious reason gets locked permanently in that special place in your mind where you deeply love and care for someone (sp), to the point where as that picture gets bigger and brighter and the sounds inside you mmmmm intensify, you might find yourself thinking of other things, where all your resistance is falling away and you just can't control yourself and you just want to go wild with it.

Isn't that truly the mystery of falling in love that we all dream of?"

Pattern III. An example of simple attraction pattern combined with a kino approach/close. Best used after having established rapport, having created states of pleasure and having made her already interested. Daniel, ASF:

"You know... sometimes... when I meet someone I get this feeling inside (PTS)... I don't know what it is... but I know it feels good (PTS)... and I can't help but want to get close to that person and get to know her... (point to her)... do you ever get that feeling when you meet a guy (PTS)?

(Let her say stuff... if its positive move on, if negative do some more rapport building...)

Passion and desire (touch her neck)... the feeling that you cant hold back... you want to touch the person (PTS or if u feel brave take her hand and make it touch your chest)... the desire builds and builds (touch her arm)... your mind goes numb because the feeling is so pleasurable... (touch her arm)... your legs get shaky (touch her hips) and your tummy feels weird (touch her stomach)"

(Note: she should be fucking dripping... and if she ain't you shouldn't have launched these without establishing anchors and rapport. If she's ok, smile and look in her eyes and DON'T say a fucking thing for 3 seconds)

Passion and desire.. (touch neck and pull her a little closer)

(KINO TIME, kiss etc. BTW its more effective if you are both sitting down...)"

Pattern IV. Ask the girl what does it feel like to be attracted to somebody - by feeding her with the answers yourself to make her feel exactly that, while you have already linked those feelings to "being attracted to someone". Devious:) Daniel J. Mocsny, ASF:

""When you find a man attractive, where do you feel it first? Do you feel butterflies in your stomach? Does your face start to tingle? Does your throat tighten up a little and make it hard for you to speak? When you realize that you find a man attractive, how do you behave around him to let him know you are interested before he has let you know he's interested?"

You can learn a lot from observing how she reacts to these kinds of questions, in addition to whatever she says. For example, if these questions make her obviously uncomfortable in an unpleasant kind of way, you should go talk to another woman. On the other hand, if she launches enthusiastically into a wide-eyed description of how she feels and acts, and she begins fixing her attention on you and smiling, then you are successfully flirting with her.

If you can get a woman to talk about the process by which she feels attraction and expresses it, that gives her an opportunity to move her mind into that state."

Incredible Connection patterns

Pattern 1 - a classic:) Also an important note, why patterns might not work on some women.

This is the most classic and legendary of SS patterns. Partly because it is one of the oldest and partly because it is the most appropriate to use as your first pattern after having had some fluff talk with the girl you just met.

A very important note on the IC pattern (and even patterning in general) - there are women that are NOT into the feelings/connections stuff at all. So what's wrong with them? Nothing, they are just into SEX and getting down with you! Yes, believe it or not, there are women like that, just waiting to be discovered. Of course, they are a minority, otherwise you wouldn't be reading all this:) But they do exist and it is important to notice them in time and not to keep them waiting while you're busy delivering your patterns and trying to make her feel wonderful etc. You could just be shutting her down. So although they are a rarity and an exception, keep your eyes open because you never know when you just might find a gem like that:)

In the words of Ross Jeffries (Ross Jeffries): "Not all women will respond to "connection" patterns. Some women who are already emotionally occupied, but sexually bored, or shut down emotionally, but open sexually or just don't believe relationships are possible will still be very receptive to a "body sensation" approach." This actually means, that she won't be much moved by your descriptions of "emotional connections" but will be entrhalled, once you include feelings of bodily sensations in you patterns. But most probably they'd actually prefer to feel those bodily sensations instead of imagining them, and that is your cue to go kino:) (See Kinesthetics for more information)

Nevertheless, the "incredible connection" theme has an almost universal appeal for women, se here's the pattern:

"In fact... just standing here... talking with you... I have an intuition... that when you connect with someone... someone you really like... someone you're really attracted to who makes you feel that click… right there... you know that sense of just feeling totally drawn... like you've known this person forever... like you were meant to know them.... a big part of it is that recognition that you can RELAX and laugh with this person… can you feel _that_ (touch her and achor the feeling)... is maybe how it works?"

From here you could for example transition to the Falling in Love pattern.

Madman: "The IC pattern is NOT a good pattern to introduce as the first pattern after some initial fluff talk. You must have established some sort of a connection first with some other patterns and only THEN can you help her realise through using the IC pattern that "yes, that's exactly how I feel right now!". Using the IC pattern won't establish a connection by itself. So the way to do it is this:

1) Initial fluff talk to establish some faint rapport

2) Patterns and tonality to establish deeper rapport. Take your time, don't hurry, slow down the tempo of the conversation, watch your tonality. She'll be feeling a lot by now, but she is probably confused as to the nature of her feelings, so its time for step 3.

3) IC pattern (or a modification of it) to help her realise that an incredible connection with YOU is exactly what she is feeling at the moment:)"

Pattern 2 - Incredible Connection mixed with a little Falling in Love.

Remember, this pattern will make HER feel an incredible connection with YOU. ASF:

"I recently just got out of a long relationship. I guess I'm not your average guy. I mean for me... I have to develop a mental relationship with someone before anything more will happen. I really have to "Connect" with someone first... I mean.... Have you ever been talking to someone and noticed that everything around you seemed to fade away? ...and as you listened more and more you began to focus more and more of your attention on him. Do you remember how that felt to truly start becoming attracted to someone? Maybe you remember feeling "butterflies" in your stomach? To become attracted to someone.... not only because of their physical appearance... but because of who they are... because as you listened to them, their true attitudes and beliefs became apparent to you. As you listened to what they had to say... you suddenly realised that this guy was truly unique. Finally, you had found your "MAN". Do you remember the last time this happened? Maybe, you felt a little scared or nervous at first because you were feeling such an incredible connection. Or maybe... you began to think about "What might happen in the near future?" How your heart would speed up as he began to move closer to you... How you would feel such an Amazing RUSH of energy as he held you tight in his arms... or how it would feel to have his lips Pressed against yours for the first time. Maybe the little girl inside you dreams about meeting a man like this at night... Maybe you think about what steps you would need to take to Hold On to this guy once you finally meet him? I mean... maybe it seems like I have gone off on a tangent here... but that is how I feel."

Pattern 3

Ross Jeffries:

"Did you ever . . instantly know you were going to like and trust someone for a long, long time? (sp). Like maybe even though you only knew them for a short while . . it seemed like you had known them your whole life, as if there were this timeless connection between you and them (point from her to you). I mean, you know that feeling of incredible bonding, when all barriers just drop away and melt and you just feel totally comfortable and at ease with them (sp). And its like maybe you were even able to (And you might find that you are able to) imagine a time in the future, say years from now, still being incredibly connected to this person (sp) and looking back on today as having been the start of it? I just think that's the neatest think when a person can . . go inside and . . instantly recognize all those qualities and values in that other person, that . . lets that connection take place with someone (point) . . with me, it usually takes a bit longer.

But when you really FEEL A CONNECTION WITH SOMEONE. You know that mysterious, timeless link that just makes you feel like you've known someone forever...like you were meant to know them....and it's almost like YOU'RE LOOKING RIGHT AT YOUR FUTURE...like YOUR FUTURE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU...when you FEEL THAT...it all starts out as an actual physical click... a tug that takes place right...(raise your hand over your head, point your index finger, and then SLOWLY bring it down straight down the middle of her face, without touching her until you get to her solar plexus, just below her breasts)..THERE!(touch her solar plexus) Can you FEEL THAT(squeeze her hand with your free hand) is maybe how that can happen...NOW...WITH ME...I just find that's such a great feeling...isn't it?

I think it's so funny how some people can just do that and let it happen instantaneously (snap) because for me it takes longer. But I do find that during the course of an evening (a conversation), as you really listen to someone (pt), and you start to recognize those values and qualities in them that you hold so dearly for yourself with me that's when you can make that connection and really feel that growing bond.

But what I find really interesting is .. what can happen is when you FEEL THAT CONNECTION, that warm, safe and comfortable feeling right there, then what can sometimes happen is a picture of this new person your connecting with will sneak itself right into that special location in YOUR MINE where one keeps a person they care deeply for, and that's how you know you're already starting to fall for this person. And sometimes during the course of the evening or maybe even during a simple conversation like this one you'll look up at that picture and as you continue to feel that attraction growing, its like that picture gets bigger and brighter. And that's how you know you really just want to be with this person and you're really READY to be swept off your feet. NOW the funny thing is, when you have that kind of connection with a new person (sp), maybe as you're snuggling in the sheets about to fall asleep, again (pop) up comes that picture of this person in that special special place and also maybe at some time during the day like when you're stepping into the shower or you hear the sound of running water again it reminds you to see that picture so clearly in your mine."

Pattern 4

From David Shade's online seduction log:

"You want to feel trust for this person because you know you really like this person, so you take the time to build the trust. Building trust takes being honest with each other while at the same time being independent. You want to be with someone who is communicative and shares their feelings freely. And you want to get to the point where you can almost know what they are thinking, like you could finish their sentences. You so much want to know what this person is feeling, and you want them to know what you are feeling. And then you get to the point where you almost want this person to feel the same feelings you are feeling. That is when it is really special."

Pattern 5

Use this assuming that you've been talking to the girl about incredible connections before, but somehow things haven't yet quite turned out the way they should have:) But seriously, there are girls, for whom the patterns have a delayed effect, in which case this follow-up is just perfect for helping her realise what she feels and wants the next time you meet.

Ross Jeffries:

"You know the other day we were talking about how sometimes one can suddenly find themselves feeling really connected to someone.

Me, it happens rarely but when IT IS HAPPENING, I often find I wasn't aware of it until afterwards and you realize it was the start of something amazing. Something you'll always cherish for the rest of your life.

I mean sometimes a person can just be looking at someone and suddenly for whatever mysterious reason, feel a connection so powerfully taking place, a connection that just lets you know that this person is going to be really special in your life where you find yourself so easily imaging being with this person in that special way two people can be together who feel that growing attraction, but then sometimes you don't even NOTICE AND FEEL ITS TAKEN PLACE .. NOW WITH ME I find though that later when you LOOK BACK ON THE WONDERFUL, DELIGHTFUL THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE and suddenly you realize how ENCHANTED YOU FIND YOURSELF FEELING HMMMMM, its like you FALL UNDER A SPELL and you FEEL SWEPT OFF YOUR FEET and you loose your sense of time and space NOW, as if your ENTIRE WORLD IS THIS PERSON (IN FRONT OF YOU), like you're LOOKING/listening to your FUTURE as you just continue to LISTEN SO CAREFULLY.

And I think you may not FEEL THAT CONNECTION INSTANTEOUSLY, but even over short conversation like this one ... a person can find themselves starting to naturally realize that this person is someone who totally meets their criteria for someone you want to spend time with in that special way. In a way that makes you feel mmmm you know what I mean.

And you RECOGNIZE WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT that you really are looking forward to spending more time with this person and the more you allow yourself to feel this the more you begin to think of other things (point to your dick) that can be so delightful. And you begin to feel so safe and uninhibited so that you know its OK to just let yourself go and imagine having your fantasies really come true .. NOW WITH me thats how I sometimes SEE IT THAT WAY."

Pattern 6

Ross Jeffries:

"Can I ask you a question, I know this may sound funny but, have you ever felt absolutely comfortable and at ease talking with someone (you just met)? I mean, when . . that's happening, its like this (powerful, loving) connection is taking place between you and them (sp). And maybe you were even able to... imagine a time in the future, say years from now, still feeling that sense of connection and looking back on today as having been the start of it. And you might find you feel such a strong attraction that you aren't even aware of what you are doing since your mine doesn't want you to know what your body is doing until afterwards, and you can reflect on how wonderful and pleasurable the experience is and you are so glad you didn't miss out on anything."

Pattern 7

Ross Jeffries:

"Let me ask you a question. Have you ever been totally fascinated with someone? Like maybe as you were there, looking at him, and you started to listen carefully, it was like his voice just seemed to wrap itself around you, to the point where the rest of you environment just disappeared, and you entire world, everything you saw, became what was right in front of you? And anything he described, you found that you could just picture it clearly? So you know, if he were to talk about a romantic walk, on a moonlit beach, with your perfect partner, you could just see yourself there with him, just enjoying that, that's what it would be like"

Pattern 8

Ross Jeffries:

"Did you ever instantly know you were going to like and trust someone for a long, long time? Maybe you only knew them for a short while but it seemed that you had known them your whole life, as if there was a timeless connection between you and them?

I'm wondering as you are listen so carefully, if you can remember the feeling of that, and just how wonderful it was because sometimes life has a way of making us remember those things, right prior to discovering that we can experience those feelings again with someone.

Me well, I don't think that kind of thing can be forced. No essay or words or can allow that to happen, but you just begin to recognize now how much you want to be with someone who is so good for you. Words and appearances are only expressions, the vehicles that contain the essence that moves us. It can only happen naturally as the expression of an energy between two people, but when it does, you just know that feeling of incredible bonding, when all barriers melt and drop away, and two people come together, fused into one spiritual essence, mingling energies, building and increasing and intensifying, mingling into an expression of aliveness that words can initiate but never capture fully.

It has to be indulged inside your imagination, dwelled on, and toyed with, deep, deep inside you. Speaking to you as a person who can experience that kind of connection, just how much can you look forward to enjoying that with someone who moves you in that way? As you remember what that would be like, and find those possibilities opening before you, in such a way that anything else blurs into insignificance, how powerfully will you feel that urge to be with someone in that special way and find out more about this person who has so moved you, with just words? As you might BEGIN TO RECOGNIZE NOW you want to meet with me, realize I can be reached at [...]."

Pattern 9

Ross Jeffries:

"What's it like when you're so attracted to the sound of a man's voice, that whenever you find yourself really listening, its like the warmth of that voice just starts to wrap itself around you, and spreads all through you, maybe to the point where you find yourself thinking about being with him in a mmmmmmm special way, in a way that would make you both feel mmmmm you know? You hear their voice in your mind maybe when you're falling asleep you get that feeling on the inside and you feel warm all over. So much so that as those pictures in your mind get bigger, and brighter and more intense, and those feelings mm intensify you could just experience an overwhelming desire, a desire to be with him to the point where you just had to be with him in that special way (pick up the phone, and invite him over)"

Pattern 10

Remind her of all her feelings she has always wanted to share and what a wonderful experience it is to find someone to share all those feelings with. Not specifically an IC pattern, but related nevertheless, as you are creating a feeling in her of being so completely understood.

Ross Jeffries:

"Do you remember when you were a little child and you went to bed expecting tomorrow to be a rainy stormy day? But you woke up the next morning and to your delight and surprise, you looked out to see a brightly shining sun, and not a cloud in the sky? And you realized, "Hey...this day is MINE to make happen?" Imagine sharing those feelings everyday with someone who truly understands, along with the passions only adults can create and share."

Pattern 11

Incredible connection via greeting card or e-mail. Jonathan Ness, mindlist:

"Isn't it crazy (soften...soften...) how you meet somebody and you just feel an instantaneous connection... With me, it's like a click right in your stomach when you realize you're going to like and trust this person for a long time. That's how I felt ("You go first" principle...) when I met you at [where] [when]. I confess (girls LOVE confessions...), I have been thinking about you, wondering how much you have been thinking about me, too. (not "whether" but "how much"!). How surprised would you be to find yourself wishing you could spend some more time with me... Right now, I can see us over coffee laughing and having the best time. As you think about this more and more, I'm sure that you can feel a smile coming to your face, realizing how much fun we're going to have. Let's meet [where] [when] for lunch, around noon, so we can get to know each other better. Or, if Friday night would work better for you, give me a call at [number] and we'll arrange the details."

Pattern 12

Notice the tie-in with the Cialdani Reciprocation Principle. Kevin Kupal, mindlist:

"Have you ever felt an instantaneous connection with someone (point to self), a guy who just makes you FEEL THAT CLICK, right there (click in front of her chest). And when you do, I bet, that guy can just make you  FEEL SO WARM AND WONDERFUL, DEEP INSIDE YOU... make you FEEL such a FANTASTIC DELIGHT, an INTENSE, DELICIOUS PLEASURE... inside YOUR MINE... DEEP INSIDE YOU... just by being with him (point to self), just by looking at him (she's looking at you, dummy). Now, I WONDER how you WONDER how when you've found that guy (point to self), and FEEL ALL THE DELIGHT he gives you,  how will you give back to him some of the delight that he makes you feel... how will you GIVE YOUR ALL to please and delight him (point to self), even just an inkling of the delight he gives to you? How good will you feel just by giving him back some of the incredible delight he gives you? When you feel that the more you please him, the more you exponentially please yourself?"

Falling in Love patterns

Pattern 1

An example of using quoting, stacking realities, anchoring and time-distortion. Using Ross Jeffries' original as the basis.

You: "You know... I was reading the most interesting article about how men and women fall in love differently. And it was saying that men usually feel an attraction first, but that women, by contrast, usually feel a connection and then become more attracted. I mean, you know that kind of special connection you sometimes feel... that mysterious compelling click that takes place right THERE (touch her solar plexus, thus planting an anchor:)..." (See anchoring)

Don't forget that she might interrupt you any second and start talking about her feelings. Let her! Encourage her! Be ready to change the course of the conversation, listen to her trance words, anchor the feelings while she describes them to you. (See trance words)

You: "So... this article was saying, that when it's really special... that's when you can just STOP... and IMAGINE a time in future... say six months from now...blah blah blah". (See time distortion)

You: "(having directed the conversation in the direction of how men and women fall in love differently) You know, I was telling my friend about this, and she was saying, when she really starts to FEEL THAT CONNECTION.... and GROW even more attracted… she begins to pay attention in a special way. First, becomes aware... of the rhythm of her breathing... the beating of her heart... and that sense of growing fascination... such that as she continues to be aware of all this... one particular feature of the guys face begins to rivet her attention... so as she just continue to keep looking… it's like the rest of the environment disappears... and the entire world becomes this face... this voice that just start to wrap itself around her like a pair of powerful but gentle arms... pulling her in... deeper.... just allowing that warmth surround her… etc. etc:)"

Well, by now the situation should be ripe enough for you to throw in your own opinion about the subject:) You could make up a pattern of your own or acquire some ready-made patterns from Ross Jeffries at www.seduction.com (they cost a lot though, I'm talking hundreds of dollars).

Pattern 2

Extended version of the above pattern. This time no commentaries, no pointers, no interruptions - just the pattern. Modified from Ross Jeffries' original FiL pattern:

"I was reading this article that was talking about the difference in the way men and women fall in love. And it was saying that men usually feel an attraction right away but women by contrast usually feel a connection and then BECOME VERY ATTRACTED.

I mean you know that kind of special connection you sometimes feel ... that mysterious compelling click that takes place right there (right in the center part of you).... where you really feel so warm, safe and comfortable and it just lets you know this person is going to be so right for you in so many ways and you just slide into that sense of having known them for ever as if is was meant to happen, and as if you've always known them, maybe to the point where you picture this person so big and bright in that special place in your mine.

You don't even know why you just have to go deep inside and find all those values that are so important to you but you just naturally link them up with this person such that you find yourself beginning to look through the eyes of attraction ... cause I find when you look through the eyes of attraction, look through the eyes of desire, that's when you can make that connection and really feel that growing bond growing more and more as you begin to imagine being with this person, in that special way that two people can feel so wonderful.

And as you feel that passion growing more and more maybe to a point where you feel yourself just letting go completely as you allow this person to come deep inside releasing all those feelings that have been building and building up inside, you just want to release them in a flood and I find when you do that now with me I find you just feel so enchanted like you are now under a love spell cast upon you such that you can't control yourself and just find yourself going wild with it, and feeling so powerful a desire for this person where you feel so warm inside, and ready for them to come deep inside you, that you imagine: "mmmm how wonderful it will feel you and me together".

So this article was saying, that when it's really special, that's when you can just stop and imagine a time in the future, say years from now still feeling that growing attraction and looking back on this moment as being the inevitable start of it.

My friend ____ was telling me that her roommate has this best friend Dawn. And when Dawn starts to notice that growing attraction, it happens in a certain way.

Like first, as she looks at the guy, and starts to really pay attention, she just becomes aware of certain things like the rhythm of her breathing, and the beating of her heart, and the out line of his face so as she becomes aware of all these things, one particular feature of his face just starts to rivet her attention. So she becomes totally absorbed in the connection taking place and as that's all happening, it's like the warmth of his voice, this voice that just wraps itself around her like a pair of powerful but gentle arms .. pulling her in ... deeper ... just allowing that warmth to spread all through her... the deep rich warmth of it just starts to penetrate her thoughts, and as her heart beats faster and her breathing increases, that warmth just heats up into fire, a fire spreading through her chest and down through her belly, a fire pounding and pulsating all through her, down to where she longs to have it go, until that desire for him just becomes utterly overwhelming, and she just surrenders to it completely.

...such that she opens herself up completely and allows this person to come inside her so deep releasing all those feelings that have been building and building and building that she just wants to release those feelings in a flood.

I find when I HAVE those responses .. it's like you just let yourself go completely ... and go wild with it ... now that's how I see it so clearly. Now what really fascinates me about all this is not just how people connect so powerfully .. but how people connect with their own needs and wants and desires."

Pattern 3

Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":

"If you met the guy of your dreams today, would you let him know first or would you first tell all your girlfriends about this guy you met and how you think he is THE ONE?"

"I'd know right away but I don't think I could tell him right away."

"But would you tell your girlfriends?"

"I guess."

"Just as I thought. That's interesting because it's a known fact that guys brag to their friends about the new girl they picked up when they were rejected yet they never say a word when they really meet a girl and fall in love. Women on the other hand are the exact opposite. They get so emotional when they meet their soul mate that they have to share the news with their girlfriends. The sad thing is that most people fail to recognize when they meet their soul mates or if they do they don't have the courage to find out for sure for fear of disappointment. That's why there are only a few people out there who ever get to experience true love, because they are not afraid to experienced it. Do you feel this…(squeeze her hand or at least make some kind of contact)…is the way it really is?…with me, now…I think most people know it but still deny it hoping that one day something will just happen out of the blue, but it will never happen until they just allow it to happen."

Pattern 4

Ross Jeffries:

"Have you ever thought about the difference between attraction and falling in love?

Well actually I think they take place in different settings. I mean, attraction is what you experience when you are in the presence of that person, (point) and you look at him and you think to yourself . . . mmmmmm, and you start to have certain thoughts, images and you know what that feels like, right?

But falling in love, well I think takes place when your not even in that person's presence. I mean, can you remember a time when you totally fell for someone. . . . And as you are looking at me, thinking about what I'm saying, you can remember how that felt, don't you.

Yea, but here's how it happened. You spent some time with that person (point) and then you went home and you picture that person in your mind (frame) right? And then maybe you imagine yourself in all sorts of situations with this person (point) having lots of fun, and enjoying the feelings and things you like to enjoy with them. Can you remember how that feels?

And then maybe you start to list all the qualities about him you really like: He's so funny, he's so smart, he's so fun to be with, whatever they were, whatever the things are that you really want and enjoy that with someone (point), right?

Then you get this feeling in the pit of your stomach, right in your solar plexus that just starts to spread out and lets you know that you really, really love this person (point). I mean, can you feel that as I describe it to you?

And then, here's the real kicker . . you start saying his name outloud, you start bringing it up in conversations with your friends, and maybe you even dance around the house singing it if your a real goof, right?

See, I think everything, including falling in love is a process. And when you do that process with someone (point) and really let it happen, that's when the magic takes over, the magic we're really all looking for.

Of course, sometimes that can take months, but the real magic is when it happened instantly and you know it right away. That's an incredible feeling, isn't?"

Pattern 5

A minor modification of the previous pattern. Ross Jeffries:

"I was reading in a book about the difference between attraction and being in love.

And it was really interesting to learn that attraction takes place when like someone is sitting across from you and you just notice something about them ... could be anything. The expression on their face, or some unique feature that just captures your attention, or maybe its just their voice, the way it might wrap itself around you like a pair of strong, warm but gentle arms and just penetrates your thoughts and spreads all through you. Whatever it is, it all that takes place in this person's presence.

But falling in love is what you'll do yourself, after you've gone outside this person's presence. I mean, think about it ... what happens is you spend some time with this person and then you go home and you then you picture this person and your mine, in that special place and you mine, where you keep people you care deeply for. And then what you do is you start to imagine being with this person in different situations and in all sorts of different ways like maybe introducing him to your friends or having all sorts of fun and interesting adventures together.

And then maybe what you even do is you start to list all the qualities that you really like about this person and for every quality thing you mention to yourself you get that feeling right in there where you get that warm feeling and with every feature you notice that this feeling increases, like oh he's so smart, or he's so much fun to be with, of he's so understanding of the world. And then, what you do is you start to repeat his name to yourself and then what you do, the real kicker is you start bringing up his name in every conversation, John said this or John said that and that's when you know you're absolutely hooked on this person, you know what I mean?

And I think when you do that, now, with me, I find that that's when you really feel that passion growing and you don't even know why you just have to stop and go deep inside and just allow this person's presence to penetrate you consciousness and come inside you so deep and when that's happening its like that feeling there it just starts to move down, deeper as you create an opening for it, an opening, that just feels all those feelings that have been stored up, and they just start to flood through that opening... you know what I mean?"

Pattern 6

One of the basic structures of a seduction is to model the process of falling in love. The setup in this example has the couple looking at a newspaper on the movies page with the male commenting on one of the male actors but of course you can modify it to your liking as it is fairly easy to introduce the "cute actor/singer/pop-star" theme into almost any conversation. Jobet Claudio, Mindlist:

Him: He's cute ain't he?
Her: Yeah.
Him: What exactly do you feel when you look at a cute guy (gesturing to your face).
Her: Hmm... I just feel a tingle of sorts (hah... that's one for the echoing).
Him: You like romance movies, don't you?
Her: Yeah. I love em.
Him: I'm just curious as to why you like romance movies.
Her: They make me feel so good... you know.
Him: Yeah. It can make you FEEL THAT TINGLE, (pts) I bet.
Her: Yeah.
Him: Well, I'm curious again. How do you know that YOU'RE FALLING IN LOVE with a guy (pts)?
Her: Well... I... I don't know... it just happens and I just realize it.
Him: Well... I read somewhere that there's this guy who researched about how women fall in love. In that study, he said that invariably (hah... Cialdini authority) women (point to her) at first find this small "gateway"... this thing that they notice about a guy (pts)... it may be small or big, like a dimple, or a smile, or the eyes, or a soothing voice... anything. Then, the woman begins to feel a tingling sensation when this guy (pts) is around... And the funny thing is, this guy's (pts) presence creates a certain richness of experience for women (pth), like, even small things, like a glance, or a look in the eye (look in her eyes), or a short, simple, soothing chat... all that... takes on a special meaning, that special, delicious feeling, you can't even begin to describe... that's when you realize that...THIS GUY IS SPECIAL (pts)...and special, in a special way...

Pattern 7

Talking about past relationships is an excellent chance to talk about the subjects of falling and being in love. But there is an added bonus to it - you can talk about it referring to your former love interest and you together as "we" and you can talk about what that "we" felt describing it in the present tense. Like this: "The beginning was so beautiful... its like... everything around fades away... and when we are looking into each other's eyes... we can see each other's souls". Did you notice the ambiguity? "We"... "are looking into each other's eyes":)? Jobet Claudio from Mindlist elaborates:

"Most women are suckers for love stories. Win or lose, success or failed, they really love love stories. Invariably, when in a conversation with a woman, the topic of love stories (as referenced to yourself) will often crop up as you talk about ex-boyfriends, current boyfriends, current girlfriend, ex-girlfriends etc.

Now, the "we", in the context of the story-telling, should refer to the ex and myself, but then again, "we" is ambigous. Coupled with a couple of hand gestures and more referential ambiguities, conscious use of the "we/us" paradigm could be one of the most subtle, insidous and undetectable, non-verbal referential index shifts I know.

[Example]

Me: So, you have a boyfriend?
Her: Not right now. Last one I broke up with a few months ago... how about you?
Me: Yeah, same here. It was a beautiful relationship. Too bad it had to end the way it did... Its like... at first... we are so much in love. We feel that the whole world is revolving around us... you know what it's like to FEEL TOTALLY IN LOVE, don't you? We're like that (gesture back and forth). It's like, when we look at each other's eyes (look into her eyes)... we can see... into each other's soul... and we can SEE... and... FEEL... that love... burning within the both of us... warm and close enough to touch (touch her forearm, or a non-touching gesture towards her chest)... and that bond between us... really so strong... so powerful... so overwhelming... It does become that way at times, now doesn't it?

[End example]

It's totally disarming, since you're supposed to be talking about a past love. What happens though is that that past loves serves as a springboard into a process that evokes the state of love in the woman you're talking to."

Dream pattern

"Have you ever had dreams about someone you really really like? Me, for instance, I find that when you meet somebody who you're very attracted to , and you start to THINK ABOUT THAT PERSON all the time, that's when you can really begin to NOTICE THAT PERSON IN YOUR DREAMS. I mean you know how you REMEMBER some dreams, and others you FORGET? It's like when you constantly THINK ABOUT THIS PERSON, your conscious mind GOES DOWN REAL DEEP into your subconscious and BRINGS BACK all these wonderful dreams about them. If you were to DO THAT at night, how long would it take you to REALIZE that you're dreaming about this person? Me, I've had that happen before many times..."

Ross Jeffries: "The key, for people seeing such a pattern for the first time, is to be visually perceivable, but not consciously noticeable. If you point down frantically at your crotch and say real loud "GOES DOWN REAL DEEP" at the dinner table, yer gonna get slapped, okay?"

Being Similar pattern

"I didn't notice before…"

[Controlled silence as I look around for a moment.]

"What?"

"Oh, sorry…:) Erm… how similar we actually are. Its as if there was a deep, mysterious yet fantastic connection between us, that stretches over time and is just waiting to be noticed and discovered and embraced in a magnificent relationship, that holds two people so tightly together, that nothing or nobody can tear them apart and complete love and warmth oozes out of every part of their intertwined bodies. Isn't it wonderful, how two people can meet by chance and feel such closeness that they want to be together now and forever? I'm talking about this incredible connection between two people on all levels of intimacy - intellectual, emotional, spiritual and physical" (kino, sp etc:)

Too bad we don't… but if we could…" pattern

Starts out with a "flower modification" of the IC pattern. ASF:

You: You like flowers don't you?
Her: Sure
You: And you like getting flowers from someone who means something to you, don't you? It makes you feel all warm and special doesn't it?
Her: Yeah
You: I bet you've got a favourite kind of flower. Don't tell me what it is, I just want you to think about it for a minute. You know, I was talking with a friend the other day, and she started telling me about how we don't take time to smell the flowers anymore. And I thought, but wouldn't it be great if we did? I mean, can you imagine what it's like to have someone special just hand you your favourite kind of flower, in person, face to face, and imagine what it's like to inhale that enchanting fragrance again, right now? And as you look into the eyes of that person right there in front of you, and feel that smile welling up, don't you just start to feel really good, and begin to feel a special bond with him? I mean have you ever felt an instantaneous connection with someone? Me, I know I have. It's like I begin to feel like I've know this person forever, and I was always meant to know them, and you can just imagine a time in the future, say six months from now, still feeling that wonderful sense of connection, looking back on today as having been the start of it all. Can you feel that is a wonderful thing to experience?
Her: (whatever she says)
You: She also said we don't take time to savour the experiences we've had in the past .. the feelings of love we've had .. (Insert here) But oh man, when you do! It's like . .[go into a description of the feelings of being in love .. the faster heart rate, the anticipation of being with the loved one, etc.]
You: She said that we gulp food and don't take time to even enjoy our desert. I love dessert, especially ice cream. You know (Blow Job pattern, anyone?:)

Basically: have your "friend" say, "It's too bad we don't do or can't do X." And then you say, "But if you could . . ." And then go on to describe the state you want.

Find Your Desire pattern

Odious, ASF: "Women ask me how I make good girls want to be bad (this guy has "I'll make good girls want to be bad" in his online-profile), etc. My answer is, I show them how to find their desires".

Odious:

"When you just stop... and look deep inside of you... and you are able to push aside all the rules and restrictions that hold you back... you find that you are free to look at your own desires with eyes unclouded by the fears of others. You can look deep inside and see that special place where you keep all your secrets. Inside is what you desire. You can see your desires and when you see your desires, you know that what you want is right there waiting for you to act on your desire. Now, with me... that's quite a powerful thing. When you see your desires clearly, maybe for the first time, the excitement and longing you feel is very strong. The excitement of knowing you can fulfil these desires and the longing of wanting so share that experience with someone who understands how you feel. When you allow your feelings and desires to dictate your actions... you can look deep inside yourself with eyes unclouded by the fears of others... and now see your true desires... and know this is something you have to experience."

Sex is Natural pattern

(Fluff talk etc. Remember.. connection first!)

You : Well, we're adult's now, aren't we? We can talk about sex in an intelligent way, can't we ?

Her : Uhhh...yeah...

You : Well....how do you VIEW SEX NOW. (?)

(shut up and let her talk)

You : I agree. And I think that SEX is much more than that. It's human nature! SEX ensures that our species will survive and that's why SEX IS PROGRAMMED DEEPLY... INSIDE... YOUR MINE. It's like... there's this voice (pause, point to your own mouth or throat... hahaha... ambiguity) inside YOUR MINE, which is actually, your vocalized URGES and DESIRES... and as you LISTEN TO THIS VOICE, it's telling you... YOU WANNA HAVE SEX, YOU WANNA HAVE SEX... YOU NEED TO HAVE SEX.... YOU NEED TO HAVE SEX. NOW, WITH ME, this is all so natural! You may not ACT ON IT, or JUST DO IT, but the point is, it's a DESIRE... a natural, AROUSING URGE... ME, I TAKE THIS IN (point to dick)... with an open mind.

I don't know if you have OPENED YOURSELF UP (open leg gesture*) to things (point to dick) like these."

open leg gesture - join both palms, point palms towards her legs, then separate them on cue.

"The more… the more" pattern

Ross Jeffries: "Another very simple and powerful way to thought bind is to use a pattern my good friend and teacher Kenrick Cleveland calls "the more the more pattern". A simple way to use this, in a pickup, is to get a woman laughing. Once she laughs, call attention to it by saying something like, "See...you're laughing. It feels good to laugh. And the more you laugh, the more you'll discover that you really want to go out with me!". Now, it sounds too simple, but it works! "The more... the more" basically is saying that doing one thing causes you or makes you do something else. Here's some other possible uses:

The more you try to think of reasons why you can't, the more you realise just how much you can.

The more you laugh the more you recognise how much fun it would be to spend time together, NOW. Do you want to have coffee, or would lunch be better?

The more you try to think of (whatever important male in her life), the more you find yourself thinking of me." or "The more you are thinking about him, the more you find you thoughts coming back to me.

The more you are thinking about leaving, the more you know you have to stay for me.

The more you're thinking about the music, the more you realise it would be fun to dance with me:)"

Make her a believer:) Ross Jeffries:

"I don't know how exactly you'll absolutely convince yourself that what I am saying is totally true and right and the more you might resist that suggestion the more the deeper and much more open part of you is beginning to find reasons why its true. Maybe not the reasons I suggest but your own reasons and that how you can know its true because you yourself are having those thoughts, it isn't me. And you don't argue with your own thinking do you?"

Reading the Poem pattern

"If you are going to read her poetry, get her really curious first, don't just blurt it out to entertain her. Challenge with something like: "Have you ever been there thinking about someone, and for whatever reason you just go into a very playful, light-hearted, creative state and in that, I guess you could even call it a romantic state, you just do things you wouldn't usually do. Like the other day I just grabbed a pen and wrote a whole bunch of stuff, and when I looked at it afterwards, I thought hey this is like poetry or something. I've never shared stuff like this with anyone, and I don't know if you're the sort of person who would be open enough to appreciate it because for me it's very personal, it'd be letting you into a part of my mind nobody has ever shared before, and you'd have to leave behind all the rules, all the roles, all the peer pressure and come, bare of all preconceptions as it were, ready to take this essence (SP) deep inside you and make it part of who you are, now with me..."."

The Eyes patterns

Pattern I

(by John Casewest)

"Has anyone ever told you that you have the most interesting eyes?

They have a quality about them that says "there's more to this person than you might think at first glance".

(This works GREAT on women that are VERY beautiful and hear it all. You might also want to open with something like "Any idiot can look at you and tell you that you are beautiful but it takes a ________ and a ________ (list your good qualities) man to see, that [then go into your pattern]. This is a TOTAL break state!)

Have you ever met someone with that look in there that just said "underneath this person's gotta be someone exciting and riveting" and you just have to get to know this person (sp) better. Or maybe it was like you could look so deep into their eyes and they just fascinated you (ambiguity) because you couldn't quite place it but they just looked somehow so familiar. With me I have to *follow that feeling* when there's someone right in front of me with eyes like that.

(Next piece could be used in any cold walk up, both to challenge them and get them comfortable)

Most people are a little too scared to just approach someone they feel the urge to meet, and I know it can take courage to meet someone just because you want to see if they’re the kind of person you might really want to spend time with, but I know I’m (flattered, respect or a trance word) when someone has the initiative and (chuckle tonality) good sense to go out of her way to get to know me!

"

Pattern II

(by John Casewest)

Has anyone ever told you that you have the most interesting eyes?

You know I know a few people with eyes like yours and I’ve found people with eyes like that tend to be exciting and riveting people, like that glow isn’t just right there but in their whole personality as well…

It’s like as if when you look into someone’s eyes, you can just see the whole way into them, and *feel so comfortable. With me*, it’s even more exciting (count the commands there) though, the different things people can say with their eyes - eyes can also show deep understanding, and whether you’re paying close attention to something or what’s going on deep inside you.

It’s amazing the things people’s eyes can tell, it’s like as if you can see a sense of humor right there in someone, or when the eyes are mysterious or sometimes just really intriguing, that just make you want to find out more of what’s going on behind them. Aren’t eyes just most fascinating..."

I Want You pattern

(Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":)

After some initial fluff talk: first look straight into her eyes and then discreetly whisper this pattern in her ear, allowing her to feel your warm breath on the side of her neck below her ears, squeezing her hands firmly yet ever so gently at the same time. Even if she will put up some resistance on the surface, you can bet that she is totally melting from the inside.

"I want you despite the fact that we've only known each other very shortly. I want us to be that loving couple walking barefoot on the beach holding hands right on the edge of the ocean where only the more lingering waves can reach, gently caressing our feet. The sky is fiery red on the horizon as the sun is ever so graciously going down, plunging into the warmth of the loving sea. A light breeze gently whispers in our ears as we look into each other's eyes. We can both feel the heat of our passion as our hearts beat in unison, but we hold back until the feeling intensifies past the point of our futile resistance. In a fury of emotions my thoughts deeply penetrate your mind making your attention slowly move back and forth, over and over, from pure love to raw animal instinct and lust, as you come and come again to the same conclusion that you must surrender your entire being to the sheer power of our passion that is sweeping us both away into a world of feeling complete. Then comes our first kiss...

(modified from Ross Jeffries' www.introme.com) ...that first, soft brush of the lips so soft you're not even sure you're kissing yet, and it's as if all the passion... all the fire that will be experienced in the relationship is enfolded in that one, first, soft, special kiss, just waiting to be explored and made real. It's that moment where time stands still and yet in that one moment, there is an eternity of experience to be explored as the dreams of a lifetime of love explode in you in this moment of passion and fulfillment... It makes your knees weak and your heart soar and every part of you comes... alive... awakened... ready for whatever will come next. I want you (insert name here)."

And without any hesitation you kiss her on the lips. If she's right into it, the kiss will be a very passionate one. If she's still in shock you can just steal an innocent kiss without making a big deal about it. It might take her a while to get out of that mesmerized state before she will allow herself to act on her own feelings, but when she does - the result will be more passionate kissing.

At Least We Can Be Friends pattern

Ross Jeffries:

"I don't know if you'd find me really attractive or that I might be somebody that you can feel really close to... because it doesn't happen with just anyone... you know what I mean don't you? That feeling of closeness that allows you to let go and really be with someone... I'm not sure we could have that... But we might have fun finding out and the very least we might be friends... But it is nice isn't it? I mean when that does happen and you find yourself having all those feelings... inside. You know how that feels don't you? I mean when was the last time you felt that way? Really intense... inside... and down below… and as you think about it have you noticed you can get some of those feelings back now! But you know I find you really attractive but I don't want you to sleep with me... I'm not even going to ask you... because its your decision... and any way I'm not sure you can make me want you... but its nice to think about it isn't it? And I'm sure you'll find what you really want... eventually but until then we can have some kind of closeness… because I don't want to sleep with anyone who doesn't really want to sleep with me... 100%. But we can be friends can't we?"

Indifference to Attraction pattern

Try these, if you're dying to make love to a female friend of yours:)

Pattern I. Ross Jeffries:

"Have you ever looked at somebody (sp) and seen her in a completely new light? Maybe even someone, who you never thought you could even like (sp, if you don't know her very well or she exhibits signs of indifference for you, otherwise point away from yourself), or maybe it was just a friend or acquaintance of yours (sp, if this is the case), but for some inexplicable reason you start finding him attractive. You start to think, how much fun it would be for the two or you to be together. You imagine yourself with him (sp) having the time of your life. And slowly you start to forget, what you used to think about this person before and just let go with all these new and fantastic feelings you're experiencing.

Like my friend Christina was telling me, that's how she met her boyfriend. They used to go to the same lectures/meetings/office, but he never thought much of the guy, he was just there and that was it. Then suddenly she started feeling drawn and attracted to him. And now she thinks he is the best guy she's ever been with. She told me he makes her feel… mmm… that kind of a feeling, deep inside (touch solar plexus:)"

Pattern II. Ross Jeffries:

"Have you ever been attracted to someone who wasn't even your type physically?

Like I have this friend Nancy. And when I met Nancy, I didn't think she was that appealing. I had little feelings for her whatsoever. But then when I started to get to know her, I started to notice certain things, like the first thing I noticed is that she has an absolutely great sense of humor. I mean have you ever been around someone who makes you laugh so much, just the minute you see them you're already waiting to laugh, like all they have to do is look at you and you bust out laughing.

The other thing I noticed about her is that she really likes herself, I mean her attitude was, hey, being with me is the best thing that could possibly happen to you, you had better take advantage of it right now before that chance slips away forever.

Then one day, I found myself looking through a new set of eyes. You ever look at someone(pt) through a new set of eyes. Its like I look inside and, OH MY GOD, when I look at her like that, this person is really beautiful.

I think when that happens to someone (point to her) with me in my way of thinking what I think happens is when you go inside yourself, and you find those values that are most important to you in a relationship and you think about the qualities in a personality you want your ideal lover to have and then you just find those and link them up with the person you're talking to (self-point), in such a way that you begin to think things differently, you then start to look through the eyes of attraction, cause I think when you look through the eyes of attraction, look through the eyes of desire, that's when you can make that connection, and really feel that growing.

Now that whole process can take weeks, even months of getting to know someone. But I think the real wonder is to find yourself really wondering what would it be like to surrender to the magic of that instantaneously and make that connection . . now and really feel that attraction to someone (sp). Wouldn't that be great? Isn't it just great to experience that and let it happen?"

Pattern III. From an unknown source:

"Have you ever known someone who you weren't really attracted to but then, for some mysterious reason, you just suddenly found that you started to THINK THINGS DIFFERENTLY and SEE THEM IN A WHOLE NEW WAY, AS REALLY HORNY AND GORGEOUS?"

"I mean, I think sometimes people really don't know what they want, at least consciously... but then it's like YOUR CONSCIOUS MIND DIVES DOWN (gesture action) into your subconsciousness, and just (gesture action) BRINGS BACK UP ALL THOSE DESIRES AND IMAGES AND FEELINGS INTO YOUR MIND."

"I mean, like my neighbour looked at me a couple days ago, and right out of the blue she took me by the hands (take her by the hands) and says "Can you IMAGINE IF WE WERE KISSING, and I was touching you where and how you love to be touched, kissing the way you want, and you were starting to FEEL INCREDBLY TURNED ON, so hot and turned on you like you have never been turned on before, up to the point where you simply had to have me?"

"Can you believe she said that? Well, I was totally shocked and just managed to spit out "Yes!". Although actually, I should had played back and said "Can YOU imagine ME going down on you, MY TONGUE RUNNING DOWN YOUR THIGHS, SLIPPING DEEP INTO YOU MAKING YOU SO HOT AND WET. Now, can YOU feel that pleasure just building, pulsing and throbbing all through your body? Can you IMAGINE THAT FEELING, can you FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW? (squeeze her hands - plant an anchor) Can you SEE ALL THOSE IMAGES OF GOOD LOVING, big and bright, really turning you on?"

Note: This might be all that it takes - just fire off the anchor and get in there - or if you feel you need more:

"Well that really got me so turned on. Now I feel that the experience of someone starting to FEEL UNBELIVABLY TURNED ON has a structure and a sequence to it. Like for some people, first they REALLY FEEL THOSE FEELINGS (fire anchor) and then they start to SEE THOSE INCREDIBLE IMAGES. And other people SEE THOSE IMAGES OF BURNING SEX first, and then they GET THOSE TURNED ON FEELINGS. I mean, when I SEE THOSE IMAGES, mine are moving. Are your images moving or still images?"

(Her: xxx)

"Right. I've found that the image and feelings sometimes bleed together... so as the IMAGES GET BRIGHTER AND BIGGER the FEELINGS can REALLY INTENSIFY, so they're just radiating and pulsing all through your body, and that MAKES THE PICTURES BIGGER, which MAKES THE FEELING MORE INTENSE, till you can sometimes just LOSE CONTROL COMPLETELEY and GO WILD WITH DESIRE!!!"

Find That Girl pattern

This is a good one to use if she is bitter, down and thinks all men are scum.

Ross Jeffries: "Where is the girl that lived in your mind? Remember the little one; the one that believed in love? Maybe she dreamed of that ideal man she'd one day give her heart to, and she knew at that moment she dreamt of him, she had already fallen in love. And each day, each moment of her life, she carried that love with her in her heart, waiting for the day when it could be released; released and given to the one who was worthy.(Point to yourself). What would it be like to realise that after all the sorrow and tears... that person had come along?(point to yourself) If you were to LOOK for that girl within your heart and mind... and LISTEN to the message... she is sending you... NOW... how do you feel?"

Blow Job pattern

Pattern I

Kevin Kupal, mindlist: "Basically, it's a 3-step procedure.

1. Ask her about anything she really really loves to eat
2. Describe the sensation of eating that food and amplify with gustatory gusto

3. Link it to your dick using a "dick point".

Let's put flesh into it? Sure.

Me : Hey Alicia. What do you love to eat ? Something that really makes you salivate just by thinking of it ?

Alicia : Oh... I love fresh ripe mangoes from Hawaii / strawberries from Ohio... oh yes...

Me: Ripe mangoes huh? Mmmm....that's yummy. I don't know if you can IMAGINE... SUCKING into one sweet, delicious, juicy mango NOW... mmm... can you taste the sweetness of the mango... swishing INSIDE YOUR MOUTH... mmm... soo tasty... doesn't that give you lots of pleasure and ha-PENIS just thinking about that? Mmm... I bet, if there were a mango here NOW, you'd WANT IT IN YOUR MOUTH (point to dickee!).

Hehehe... this pattern makes me salivate myself... hope I don't go looking for... (gasp)"

Pattern II. Here's the "real" BJ pattern:) Ross Jeffries:

"I was just sitting here thinking about taking a vacation, if you could imagine your ideal vacation spot what would it be like? (Stop and let her talk)

You know, I think its so interesting how people connect with their hopes and their desires and their daydreams, right? ... I was reading this article the other day about compulsions and it got me to thinking about the difference between compulsion and anticipation.

I mean, have you ever come home from a hard day of work and the boss was a jerk and kept piling the papers up on you desk and its like all you can think of is dropping your clothes and getting into that steamy hot bath or shower.

Its like before you even step in you can already feel that heat working its way through every muscle in your body and all your frustrations just drop away and all you can feel is the pleasure of that warmth just shooting through every part of you.

And then there's that moment of sliding in where you really let that pleasure take you and it just feels great doesn't it?

Yeah well, do you like chocolate? (Or is there a food that when you see it you absolutely have to put it in your mouth?). I mean, can you stop and remember a time when you saw a piece of chocolate and your mouth is already tasting it before you even put it in, and you can already taste that sweetness against your tongue and you can feel the special rich texture of it against your tongue as well. You know that texture that really good chocolate has.

And then there's that moment, that moment when the first molecule of chocolate touches your tongue and you know it's inside your mouth and you just want to keep it there because it's so rich and so good. And there's that extra special warmth when you swallow that sweetness down.

Or then maybe, you know like sometimes you meet someone and you're really attracted to them and you both know it and there's that moment when your eyes lock, it's that special look just before you kiss, just before you do it the very first time and you're trembling with anticipation and your heart is pounding because you're thinking about how good it's going to be.

It's like every physical moment of that relationship is enfolded/contained or rolled into that first touch of the lips and there's that excitement, with that first soft contact of the lips where you don't even know if you are touching or not but then, oh man, it's like a jolt of electricity all through you.

(See I think what happens is the conscious mind goes down into the subconscious and brings back up all these thoughts, images, desires and fantasies, and you may think those thoughts are above me, but really I think they're blow me _____ because you're coming from a much deeper part and your mine aren't you?)"

Pattern III. Freeqshow, Clifford's Seduction Newsletter:

"Here's an email I have used to great success:

"Your notes are sooooooo sweet, I could just... well, you know what I could just do. Anyways, I so enjoyed talking to you today. Time just seems to fly by doesn't it?

So I was thinking, is there some fruit that you just can't wait to put in your mouth? Like if you were to think about it, you could just feel how the skin would taste on your lips, and as you took that first delicious bite you could just imagine how soft and tender it feels as it slips past your lips and begins to caress your tongue with a hundred flavors that you just can't wait to have. And as that nectar started to flow, to the point where your mouth became filled with all those sweet warm juices that you love so much, you just knew you would die if you spilled even one drop. I don't know about you, but I think about things like this all the time.

You know, all this has got me thinking... you ever have one of those Sugar Daddy's. You know, that caramel candy on a stick that takes all day to eat. You know I think that thing is about six inches long when you first unwrap it but the more you nibble on it and suck it deep inside your mouth and just let your tongue do it's work...eventually you come to the point where it's real soft and you know that's just about the best thing you ever had in your mouth and you just feel all that hot warm gooey candy just slide down your throat and when you're all finished you just let out a little sigh of ecstasy because it was so good and you know you can always have one when you really want it. You know?"

Backdoor Pleasure patterns

A completely hilarious collection of patterns by Rod Munch to get her to submit to and enjoy anal sex:) Unbelieveable, I almost laughed my ass off (whoops?:) the first time I read them:) Rod Munch, mindlist:

Pattern I

Purpose: To implant the idea of receiving pleasure from her ass.
Subject: Your Friend (who else?) Rod

Did I ever tell you about my friend Rod?  Well, he's a damn cool guy, but he got a new job.  Yeah, he's on the R&D team of some furniture company, (make up a name, Muncher Furniture perhaps?).  Yeah, well he's working on a team and their job is to design the perfect chair.  Did you ever have a favorite chair?  (of course she sez yes)  What was it like? I have to ask this stuff, maybe I can give Rod some ideas.  (let her talk about the perfect chair).  Feed her info back to her in the following part: Yeah, I know what you mean.  Isn't it great how you can have a favorite seat, and after a hard, stressful day at work, you LOOK FORWARD TO PLOPPING YOUR ASS/BUTT DOWN on that seat (point to schlong). And then you get there and you see that seat (point to schlong) and you can already start to RELAX and FEEL SO GOOD just thinking about how great it will feel when you LOWER YOUR ASS ONTO THAT SEAT (point to schlong!!!) and think how great it will be to slowly SLIDE DOWN ONTO IT (point to schlong!!!).

Pattern II

Purpose: To program her with not only anal pleasure, but sexually oriented anal pleasure
Subject: Life's Little Surprises

Do you like surprises?  I think it's great how the best things in life are unexpected.  What was the best surprise you've ever gotten?  And I'm not talking about a gift necesarrily, I mean just something that happened that was so good, but was totally unexpected.

(Let her talk, get her in state)

Yeah, I can totally hear/feel/see what you mean.  Isn't it just great how the things in life that just sneak up behind you unexpectedly?  I mean, there are things you know are coming and you can see them, like, "Oh, it's Friday, I'm getting paid today."  Now that's in front of you, in your future, but then the best things in life, the ones that can make you FEEL FULFILLED and FEEL SO GOOD FROM YOUR BOTTOM to your top have a tendency to sneak up behind you and COME FROM YOUR REAR.  And INSIDE YOU ASS yourself, "This is so great!  How can something this great (point to schlong) just take me from behind and surprise me like this?"  I mean, that facinates me, take a second and think about how the greatest things (point to schlong) you have ever felt took you from the rear...think about that.  It's sexually facinating if you really THINK ABOUT IT and TAKE IT ALL IN ANALlytically.

You know what else in interesting?  Is how simple words that I say can make you feel so good. (remember you have been SSing her for a while by now).  It's like you feel these things (point to schlong) COMING IN YOUR REAR, ENTERING YOUR REAR, being whispered to you, and it can make you feel so good.  Don't you find that when I talk like that, when I DO IT, you can't resist and you just OPEN YOUR REAR and LET IT SLIDE INSIDE YOU, hearing those words and feeling so wonderful?

Pattern III

You know, I have this other friend, Rod, isn't it funny how I can have so many friends named Rod?

At any rate, he owns this dingy little steakhouse on the other side of town, called "Rod's Meat."  Anyways I was talking to his wife the other day over some drinks and she is kind of the manager of the place.  But she was telling me how terrible her job was...so routine, so boring.  Everyweek she counts the money, writes the paychecks to the employees and supervises the food shipments.  Well, she was saying that her job was getting so boring, that she couldn't take it anymore.

Well, she got some relief one week when the meat shipment came in, and it was bigger than usual, and she couldn't get it the same way she had been.  She had to totally change the process, and she told me, "Sometimes you have to BREAK ROUTINE, and DO IT DIFFERENTLY."  She said that she had to get the meat in the backdoor, where she had never gotten it before, and you know it's funny, but that little break with routine, something as simple as when you GET THE MEAT (point to schlong) IN THE BACKDOOR, can make you FEEL SO GOOD.

Course, it was a little harder for her at first, since she had never done it that way before, but once she got started, and past the first part of it, as the process went on, she felt so good to have done it differently.

The Void pattern

By Kevin Kupal. Mindlist:

"Doesn't it sometimes make you stop and think how some people, despite having everything, just feel lonely and empty and severely lacking? Well, I was reading about the life and times of John Belushi... he had it all... the fame, the fortune, the houses... the women... but it appears that he was just so lonely. So was Marilyn Monroe... on top of the world, with millions of men swooning over her...she just felt so alone and left out.

I think it's really a common thing. Like, lots of people (point to her) just go on living from one day to the next like a robot... perhaps getting amused, perhaps feeling some sort of achievement, but deep inside, there's this hole inside them (point to her chest)... empty... hollow. It's like, you ask yourself, "Is this it? Is this what I've been living for? This is it?"

I think that people, Jenny, are looking for that elusive "IT"... to fill the deep void and emptiness inside them... whatever that is, it's the one thing that will just make you feel a sense of wholeness, of completeness... of peace... ha-penis...

And when you have it, when it's right in front of you (you're in front of course), only then can you begin to feel that wholeness and peace... or perhaps... that ecsatic, filling delight... filling you up completely... making every pore of your body ooze with delicious, ecsatic pleasure... that's when you know that you've found that part of you that was missing all along (point to self). You are happy and complete.

But whatever that ha-penis (point to self) is, it's elusive... you'll have to GO FOR IT (point to self) once you find the slightest chance... the slightest window of opportunity... you'll have to GRAB IT. Or... it could slip away and you might just find it gone... and you'll be left only with the thoughts of what could have been... the stuff that regrets are made of.

So...when you find your ha-penis right in front of you... Grab it! Right away!"

The Door pattern

This one is the "bad boy" of all patterns. Anyone who has studied SS and NLP and has come into contact with the Door pattern, has found it to be evil and cruel, playing on the fears and deep insecurities of women. To give you an idea of how bad this pattern actually is - even Ross Jeffries himself has denounced this pattern and says that he does NOT encourage anyone to use it.

So... as always with stuff like that... "for educational purpose only":)

The Door pattern originated by Alex Domnikov. Mindlist:

"Whereas most patterns are about getting a woman into bed, The Door is aimed at controlling her after you've started sleeping with her. Other patterns that you've used on her have anchored immense pleasure to you. The Door creates an anchor for the loss of that pleasure.

You've already had intercourse with the girl. The ideal setting for the power of the door, which is a power and control pattern, is right after you've had intercourse and you're in bed with the girl, and at this time hopefully you've set up the fact that you're also the man of her dreams and fulfil her emotional needs. You're fooling around in bed, you've already had a great time, and you go, "sweetheart, what's that over there?" and you point towards the door. And she'll say, "well you know, that's a door, silly." And you say, "yeah, you know.. I'm a real positive person, but.. I mean, can you imagine.. I mean, you don't know what can happen from day to day, when you think about it in your mind. I mean, what would happen if I walked out that door and the door closed and as the door closed, it slammed shut, and no matter what you did, you could not open the door and you knew that you would never be able to look into my eyes again and you'd never be able to hear my voice again and you'd never be able to feel my touch again." Ok, right here is where she starts going, "I don't like this door business at all." And at this time you just reassure her.. "ok, alright sweetheart, you're right. You really shouldn't think about the door and you really don't have to think about the door." So you go back to playing around with her some more. Have some more fun with her, bring her to another orgasm or whatever and say, "you know, a terrible thing happened the other day. My friend was hit by a truck. I mean, it was awful, by the time they got him to hospital he was dead. I can't believe it, you know? It's almost as if, it would be a horrible thing you know when you think about.." (point towards the door) "..that no matter even if you were to get that door opened and you were to search, that you could never find me again.." Then she starts freaking out. You calibrate more on that part of, "you will never be able to see me again, you'll never be able to hear my voice again."

"You'll never be able.. all that fun we had together, all those great times we had together, walking along the beach, hand in hand in the moonlight, we would never be able to do those things again and even if you were to open that door, you would search and you could never find." And she's at the point where she's saying, "no no I hate this door. Let's stop this door now, are you trying to upset me?" And you say, "oh, I'm sorry sweetheart, I'm just saying these are just things that are popping into my mind, ok?" So play around some more. Get her good and nice and hot again, fool around, have a good time with her, joke, and then then get back into the door and say, "you know, God, still you know, about life's tragedies.. I mean, I just keep on thinking how.." At this point you can already see that this is starting to make her feel uncomfortable. You want to create that sense in her that you can walk out and she'll feel terrible for the rest of here life. You want to anchor that response. I'll get up and she'll say, "well what are you doing?" And I'll say, "I'm going to the bathroom." I go up to the bedroom door and slam it. That right there will freak her out. Then I'll open the door and say, "oh, I'm sorry. You know, I'm sorry, I'm just playing with this door again. You know, you really shouldn't think about this door now and you really don't want to think about this door now."

Having anchored that sense of loss and pain to the door, you can trigger it whenever needed. Whatever negative behavior may come up that you want to stop, the first time you just get up and slam the door. Whether you walk out the door depends on the level of bullshit. On later occasions you can just indicate tbe door in some manner. The example Alex gives: If he's talking on the phone and getting any crap from her, and he knows the relation of where the door is to her desk, he says, "sweetheart, could you please turn right and take a look at what's over there.." and that was the end of the bullshit."

"The Solution" pattern

This pattern, alone, has gotten me so much head and pussy you would not believe!

When you're with an HB after some initial fluff talk and she's talking about a decision she has to make and she asks for your help, use this pattern! Remember, say it sypathetically, holding both of her hands and looking deep in her eyes. Believe me, she will find the answer she's looking for!

Her: I want to do ____ or ____, but i'm having trouble deciding what to do. Can you help me?

You: Yes, I can, I totally understand where your cuming from, your aiming towards a new direction..and it's HARD..believe me, it's SOO HARD..and..WELL, if you're happy with it, and it (hold her hands close to your lap here) makes you juust FEEEL good, GO FOR IT! NOW, WITH ME, that's what I would do. Just OPEN yourself up to whatever your heart (or your mine, but heart works better because a women thinks with her heart, it's her mentality) tells you to do..and..somewhere, DEEP inside you, you'll find the answer. She will be so horny she will rip your clothes off and fuck you like a rabbit. This applies to the Blow Job Pattern also.

Presuppositions and other "mind-tricks"

Presuppositions
Presuppositions are some of the most widely used "mind-tricks" in making it easier for the girl to realise, what it is that she really wants (and then go with the flow:). They shift attention from something (seemingly) unimportant as it has somehow already been agreed upon to the (seemingly) important as it needs yet to be decided upon. In order to understand the question and answer it ("would you like tea or coffee?") she has to accept the presupposition that accompanies the question ("…before we go to my place":).

"Would you like (something to drink) before (I take you home)?"

"Would you like (another coke / whiskey) before (I take you home / we go to your

place / we go to my place)?"

Presuppositions can also be used in ordinary sentences to help her decide… or rather, decide for her:) If you'd like to take a shower together with her after spending the night together, instead of asking "Wanna take a shower? How about… um… we… together… um" say "I'll ready the shower for us:)".

Here are a few more examples of how a simple sentence can help a girl sway towards the right decision:) …or simply not leave her with much choice:) Use these to construct your own "decision-swayers".

Binds of comparable alternatives

"So do you want to meet me again tomorrow over lunch, or over coffee? (keep talking!) e.g. Either way, the most important thing is that we can carry on this conversation. Sound good to you?"

"So do you want to dance now, or wait until the next slow? (keep talking!) You're looking as if YOU CAN'T WAIT to dance now. Let's go!?"

Cause & Effect

"You won't get the most out of the music just thinking about it, since the best way to experience it is to dance with me."

"As you sit there, you know you have to dance before the night is out. Come:)"

Resistance-breaking patterns
Two mini-patterns using time distortion, binds of comparable alternatives and humour to break a girl's resistance to getting together with you:

"Won't it be great AFTER we've gone out and laughed and felt really comfortable together? Then you can just look back at it all, smile that smile of satisfaction, and think to yourself: that was one of the best times, I've ever had!"

" I don't know, when we go out, whether it will be a wonderfully fun adventure or just an incredibly enjoyable good time, but it sure will feel great to laugh that much, won't it?"

An example of using a combination of the above techniques and thought binding:

You: You know, I can tell you are a woman with great taste!
Her: How do you know?
You: Because you laugh at what I say. And the more you laugh, the more you'll recognise just how attractive you find that... and the more you'll look forward to being with someone just like that / the more you'll LOOK FORWARD to having the best time when we go out!
Her: (laughter)
You: See...just like that:)
You: Seriously...haven't you ever met someone, and you just knew you were going to like this person (point to yourself), cause you could just STOP, and IMAGINE BEING TOGETHER, feeling totally comfortable, and absolutely connected, for all the right reasons?
She: Yeah
You: Well, see? So, as you think about it like that..."

...then just keep chatting, transition to IC pattern, whatever.

An example of a presupposition by Vampire2727, ASF: "After finding out what the girl likes to do, talk with the assumption that you're going to do it: "Well, when we're doing [this and this] together, it would be better if [something and something]"."

Become your own "friend" for her

Introduction to long-distance seduction
Although this guide has so far pretty much avoided the topic of long-distance seductions as it is the belief of the author that the ability to perform on the field is what ultimately makes or brakes a seducer, such techniques are important tools for many nevertheless. The ability to perform long-distance becomes handy mostly due to various time or space constraints when you can not have face-to-face interactions, but as an added bonus it can sometimes even prove to be more efficient than a direct approach could or would have been (don't count on it though, just keep it in mind when forced to go long-distace to keep you in good spirits:). Actually, most of the suggestions in this guide can actually be incorporated into a long-distance seduction without too much hassle anyway, but in addition to that you'll find a few more long-distance specific techniques in this section of the guide.

Become your own "friend" for her

By Kent "Klorm" Sayre, Mindlist:

"Hi all! I've got a technique for you that helps get the initial response when responding to email personal ads. I designed it for my friend and then realized that one person could use it. Essentially, I answer a woman's personal ad on behalf of my friend. As we all know, someone speaking highly of you is of course more persuasive than you tooting your own horn. Here's an example message I've been sending on behalf of my friend and he's been getting a good number of responses.

**EXAMPLE MESSAGE**
Hi there. I'm responding to your AOL profile on behalf of my friend Mark. I hear him saying about the women he dates and the games that they play and how he has had enough of it. He's looking for an honest, no-games-playing woman who likes to have fun. So, being his good friend, I thought I'd do him this favor of replying because you seem like you'd be a good match for him.

Now stop for a moment, as you sit there, looking at the screen, reading my message, and imagine what it would be like to *enjoy yourself* out with a guy who is intelligent, funny, good-looking, athletic, educated, and financially successful. While you imagine that guy, you might become aware that the guy I'm having you imagine is my friend Mark. Naturally, you might now wonder how you can *contact him*. And that's why I'm here. When you email Mark, tell him his good friend Kent said you two appear to be an obvious match. His email is mark436-@yahoo.com

warmly,
Kent

**END MESSAGE**

Now, you may be asking yourself now, how easily can this technique be adapted to one person acting alone? Well, the short answer is - very easily. All you need to do is be your own "friend". Sign up for another email account, preferably at a different email service provider (e.g., hotmail) and then send mail as your "friend" for yourself."

Patterning over the phone

Ross Jeffries: "The phone is an incredible way to do patterns because women feel they aren't being observed and therefore can be a lot stronger in their responses."

The consensus of using the phone as a seduction device is divided. Most agree, that if you lack any patterning skills, the phone is the kiss of death. Agree on a meeting, agree on her enthusiastic greeting of you once the two of you meet (see "Closing"), if she seems to want to have a chit-chat with you, talk to her a little using a low, confident, seductive voice (and smile while you do it, she'll hear that:), but generally - just get off the phone as fast as you can!

On the other hand, the phone has been used to great effect to do patterning. There have even been various reports of being able to make women orgasm without letting them toch themselves just by describing various states to them over the phone. The women, by the way, were usually even more shocked than the men running patterns on them - neither had previously thought such a thing to be even possible:)

But I would still suggest to use the phone only in case you feel some resistance on her part to meet you in person (which might happen if she has never met you in person before, for example a girl you met and seduced online or just a friend of a friend or if she for some other reason is disinclined to meet you in person right away). Because there is a world of difference between hearing her sigh longingly over the phone or having her sit next to you, holding your hands and wetting her lips:)

Ross Jeffries:
"You: (after some fluff talk) In fact, I don't know if you can recognise that with each little giggle...with each breath you take...with each beat of your heart... you're growing more intrigued, but anyway... just setting aside whatever pictures just keep popping into your mind when I say that...how are you doing today?"

Nickname-tease

A woman's curiosity is a wonderful tool. You can use it anyway you like, but here is an example of an excellent use if it. What you do, is you let her know, that you've just thought of a wonderful nick-name for her. Leave a message on her answering-machine or send her an e-mail. Her intrigue and curiosity towards you will skyrocket and for example if she hasn't been returning your calls or e-mails for a week, you can expect a call or a mail in half an hour, I'm serious:) This is also a wonderful way to kick-start a new relationship. Then of course, when she contacts you, don't tell her the nickname (and by god, don't tell her you were only tricking her:), let her beg for it, let her fry in her own curiosity. And whatever you do, don't give away the nickname over the phone or through an e-mail, say it is too personal for that, get her to meet:) Now its your call, when exactly you're going to tell her the nickname, but don't do it a minute too soon because (now don't be surprised!:) she might be willing to make out with you and even end up in bed with you just to find out her nickname:) During all this, it helps, if you actually really do have a nickname for her:) And if it is sweet, endearing and romantic - all the better:) So when you finally do give it to her, you might find her infinitely grateful to you:) Here's an example of an initial e-mail on this subject (ASF):

"For whatever reason, as I was walking outside this evening, I thought of the most wonderful nickname for you. Like have you ever been thinking about someone, and it's like you almost feel their spirit gently whisper inside your mind, and you talk to them even though they may be miles away. Some people look up at the moon and realise that the one that can share their deepest thoughts can see the same moonlight that evening, drifting down through the clouds.

Anyway, I hope you, like me are having a great day.
[your phone number here]

If she doesn't call you, she ain't human. NEXT!

If you really can't think of a nick-name on your own, you can use this advice by Anubis, ASF:

"Find a personality facet that shines (or which she thinks shines) and put aside an analogous word that describes it. Then search for something about her appearance that glows with rarity (or which she spends a lot of time trying to make glow) and put aside an analogous word to describe that.

You now have two romantic/endearing/sexy analogues which, when put together, perform the wondrous neologic magic of a nickname!

Of course, if the magic goes a little sour, you'll have cooked up a nickname which even you can't stomach. In that case, throw it in the bin and start again. It actually gets very easy once you've done that a few times."

Attract girls by being busy

Let the girls know that you are a busy and important person.

Don Diebel:

When a girl asks you what you did yesterday, never say, "Oh, I just sat around and was bored." Better to say, "I was up early to run errands and take care of business, then played tennis, met a friend for lunch, and worked in the afternoon." Lie if you have to. And don't worry, you'll get used to it:)

If a girl calls and asks what you are doing, reply with, "I just walked in the door" or "I'm just on my way out to take care of business."

Don't hang on the the phone for hours talking to girls indicating you don't have anything else to do. Get the business of the call over, be pleasant, then excuse yourself.

By not calling a girl every night or contacting her every day, you show that you are busy and have other things that are important in your life besides her. This lets her know that she is going to have to compete for your time.

If you run into someone, be pleasant and friendly. Show that person that you have an interest in her, but then excuse yourself because of having things to do. In this way, you show her that she is going to have to work for your time. You are not "easy."

By letting people know that you are a person doing things and active, you suggest a lot to a girl. Certainly, you must be someone who knows where you are going, hence, leadership. You play on her sense of wanting what she can't have because she will have to compete for your time with all of your other activities. You will appear to be different from all the other guys who are hanging on her begging for her time. She will suspect that there are other girls in your life or you wouldn't be so busy. And finally, she is going to have to use her charms to seduce you away from all these other activities - and girls just love a challenge:)

Craig, Clifford's Seduction newsletter: "Make her miss you. But in order for scarcity to be effective you have to be sure of one thing. The time she does spend with you must be absolutely amazing, and without a doubt the best time she could have with anyone. You need to be able to create an awesome, MEMORABLE experience with anyone, anywhere, especially when it really counts.

Also, she can NEVER be the first priority in your life. Always put her second to something, whether it be your family, career, friends, whatever, but leave a small piece of hope in her mind that she could become #1."

Suggest competition

When you first get to know a girl, it would be better if she suspects that you are seeing other women as well as her. It makes you more attractive to her and she knows she will have to work hard to get you. Have names and numbers of other girls popping out of your wallet (when paying for yourself of course, not her:) or have them laying around in your house/apartment/car, don't be desperate for her (best way to accomplish this is to have some 5 other girlfriends at the same time:), don't be available at all times, be slightly unpredictable in your actions (this is also good for keeping her on her toes in general:)

Put a price on yourself

Ross Jeffries: "And one of the most true and powerful realities of human nature is: IF SOMETHING COMES AT VERY LITTLE COST, PEOPLE TEND TO THINK IT IS OF LITTLE VALUE! We believe that things that are difficult to possess are inherently of better quality and that things that are easy to posses are of little value or quality. In other words, absent knowing what something can do for them, people will make a judgement based on what they have to give up to get it. They confuse price with value. I certainly hope that you are smart enough to see the difference. Personally, I judge the worth of something based on what it will do for me. But practically speaking, here are some ways to do it in your behaviour in the field:

At the appropriate place and time, SHOW YOUR ANGER!! Guys who never get mad, who never show that they will stand up for themselves and make a woman feel a bit of unpleasantness are, in effect, giving themselves away for free!! Let the females in your life know that if they break your rules, cross you, or show any lack of respect that THEY ARE GOING TO PAY A PRICE!

Be willing to withdraw your time and attention and be unavailable! There are actually two rules working here: one is that people value more what they have to work for, but also the rule is: if it's rare or becoming MORE scarce it's viewed as being more valuable.

Well, in any case, as I've said, it's a reality, so use it in the following ways:

A. Now and again, cancel dates.

B. Don't always return her phone calls promptly

C. On occasion, and especially in the beginning, GET OFF THE PHONE FIRST!! Don't have unlimited time or willingness to talk!!

That should get her viewing you as scarce and therefore a lot more valuable and therefore something... She's Willing To Pay A Hell Of A Lot More To Get!! Now the final, and perhaps the most important rule I can give you is: Let Women (and people in general) Know What Your Rules Are And What You Expect Of Them!!! Now, I didn't say whine or demand. I just said let them know with the attitude of: Hey, these are the rules. If you care to obey them, great. You'll receive GREAT value in return. If not, please get out of the way because plenty of people are lined up who WILL pay, and gladly so.

Finally on this topic, you should take steps to totally eliminate from your life anyone in any capacity who will not pay your price, after you have clearly informed them what that price may be, and most especially if they have explicitly agreed to pay it. As I have long said, confidence works two ways: both in going for what you do want and moving away from what you don't. If you don't eliminate those who won't pay the price, then you will be undercutting your confidence when you want to move towards what you want, because your behaviour is not 100% congruent with your belief that you are a person of value who is deserving of the best."

Craig, Clifford's Seduction newsletter: "Make her put some work into hanging out with you in order for her to value you. Make her come and pick you up, make her spend some money on you, make her call and do you favors, etc. When she does things for you it will justify her own feelings for you and allow them to grow."

Show a willingness to walk away

Ross Jeffries: "You see, after years of experience and study, I've come to the conclusion that a woman can only experience real passion for if on some level she believes she could do something to lose you! Understand that when you show this willingness to walk away, in any area of your life, it conveys the message that you are the prize to be pursued, that you are the person of value, and they had better take advantage of the opportunity. This is an attitude that will move you forward in any area that's challenging you. By way of contrast, if you show a non-stop, forever and ever devotion to her, and put up with her crap and ambivalence, then where is that tension of knowing she could lose you? Answer: nowhere! And that's why you get nowhere when you put up with this kind of stuff! If you've seen an initially hot relationship grow ice-cold, this is one big reason!!!"

Use her friends

Ross Jeffries: "Flowers work wonders on young chicks, especially if you give them to her in front of her friends. Always let her friends know (by being, not saying) you are a great guy. Never ever underestimate a girl's desire to make her friends jealous of her man. In addition to that, always let her think her friends want you. "Perceived value" is why only some baseball cards are worth more that the store you bought them in, when they are all printed on worthless cardboard. And if you want to put a cherry on top... you can make slight comments that make her think that just maybe there is the smallest chance you'll go for one of her friends if she doesn't do right by you. Or you can go the other way and do things like say, "You friend Sarah has a huge ass... you're so much better looking than her" etc. A girl's friends are a fantastic tool."

Judge her by her actions, not her words

It happens ever too often. You're with a girl and she SAYS she's gonna have to go home. Once you reach her house, she doesn't seem to have the slightest of intention of leaving you. In silent agreement you move on to "take a loot at" your house:) Or she SAYS she doesn't sleep with a guy on the first night, or she SAYS it is too soon etc etc. Now these were all positive examples of what she SAYS is necessarily not what she wants or eventually DOES:) But nothing to complain about, right?:)

Wrong. Because the opposite is quite common as well - although she promises this and that, makes excuses, is sorry ("Oh, I'll call you", "Oh, I was soo busy, I just didn't have any time!", "I lost your number, what was it?", "We'll do it next Tuesday, I promise!" etc) but NEVER delivers - which can leave an AFC hanging on and hoping 'til retirement and then some.

In the words of Ross Jeffries: "WATCH WHAT YOUR PROSPECTS DO AND NOT WHAT THEY SAY!! Especially with women who are excellent excuse makers and bamboozlers. The ONLY real key to a prospect being qualified is THE ACTION SHE TAKES! ALWAYS LOOK FIRST AND FOREMOST AT HOW A WOMAN IS TREATING YOU AND IF YOU ARE BEING TREATED WITH PRIORITY AND RESPECT. ONLY THEN LOOK AT THE CHARACTERISTICS AND QUALITIES YOU LIKE IN THAT WOMAN!

One of the primary differences between "jerks" and "nice guys" is what they focus on. The jerk is first and foremost focused on how he is being treated and each move he makes is put through the test: "will this increase or decrease the priority she gives me?". If the answer is decrease... THE JERK DOESN'T DO IT!!! Nice guys (chronic masturbators) by way of contrast, focus on the characteristics they like in the girl. They ignore or overlook rude behaviour from her. They act to show their appreciation and interest in her rather than to get respect which is why, like Rodney Dangerfield... THEY DON'T GET ANY!!!"

Have and reveal secrets

If you've ever wondered, how to reconcile the seeming discrepancy between the two most common things you've heard about women, namely:

women like mystery in a man

women like to know secrets about a man

then here's an explanation by Kate Reynolds from Mindlist:

"A short time ago there was a thread about revealing secrets as a way to gain rapport. IMHO this really is a great way to establish rapport, but it can be carried too far. I (and perhaps other women) like the idea of layers. Like peeling an onion, we like to think there is always more that we don't know yet. So, sharing a secret is fine as long as you convey the idea that there are lots more - and that you are willing to give some up for a price. I grow bored when I think I know all there is to know about someone."

Use poetry

Poems will sweep women off their feet. Take them out of your pockets and recite. Or send them in a letter. You can also memorise them if you really want to impress her but even the real poets almost never recite their own poems by heart. By reading them from a piece of paper they can be sure it will be just as beautiful as it was when they created it and instead they can concentrate on the tonality of reciting (which is probably even more important than the poems themselves:).

You can turn to classic love-poetry (libraries etc.) or - once you get a grasp of patterns, you can start writing your own poems with the themes and messages that you wish to include.

There is always the moral dilemma of whether to present someone else's poetry as your own. Presenting it as your own will make her feel much more intense about the messages and pictures painted in the poem, but if such insincerity bothers you, it might make you feel that much worse. Then again, being able to make her feel even better should make you feel just as much better about it, so I leave it to thee to decide, how to go about this problem.

If you do present them as your own though, don't forget to add, that you're not really much of a poet and you write extremely seldom and only when you really deeply feel like it. Otherwise she might ask you to write something for HER (she might do it anyway, but this way you at least have an explanation for stalling:).

And here are a few poems to get you started:

Poem 1
Some say the world will end in fire
Some say 'twill end in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire,
I hold with those who favour fire,
That fire within your eyes.

Poem 2
I wish a was your tear-drop,
Conceived in your heart,
Born in your eyes,
Lived on your cheeks,
And died on your lips.

Poem 3 by Jacques Prévert (no, that name is not a joke, that is actually a famous French poet:)
Une orange sur la table
Ta robe sur le tapis
Et toi dans mon lit
Doux présent du présent
Fraîcheur de la nuit
Chaleur de ma vie.

Poem 3 translation (so that you can tell her when she sighs: "oh… that was so beautiful… what was it about?":)
An orange on the table
A dress on the carpet
And you on my bed
A delicate present of the present

The coolness of night
The warmth of my life.

Poem 4 by Jacques Prévert
Trois allumettes une à une allumees dans la nuit
La première pour voir ton visage tout entier
La seconde pour voir tes yeux
La dernière pour voir ta bouche
Et l'obscurité toute entiere pour me rappeler tout cela
En te serrant dans mes bras.

Poem 4 translation
One by one, three matches are lit in the night
The first to see your face
The second to see your eyes
The last to see your lips
So when its dark all around, I can remember it all
While holding you in my arms.

Poem 5
Fascination
by Ross Jeffries

Have you ever been fascinated
by someone whose words just seemed to
PENETRATE you?

You FIND YOURSELF LOOKING
and you can't look away
and the more that you try
the more that GAZE STAYS

RIVETED HERE
where you want it to be
cause you know that there's something
you just have to see

As you LISTEN SO CLOSE
and you START TO WONDER
what would it feel like
to be FALLING UNDER

A spell, mm...so magic
being spun by the sound
of a voice whose rich warmth
was spreading on down.

Have you ever experienced
INSTANTANEOUS CONNECTION?
To the point where your thoughts moved in
mmm....
Just one direction?

People sometimes ask,
"Please...just a kiss!"
Funny how you find yourself
WISHING THE SAME WISH

Your mine is amazing
when you really
LET IT GO
As you FIND YOURSELF PICTURING
mmm...you know?

As the warmth of that voice
takes on a glow
spreading and pulsating
where you want it to go

I will tell you all you desire...

ME...I know.

You step out of what was
Invited, slipped inside
Feels like warm rain
Between your sighs

And it's not important
that you find
every inhibition
is left far behind.

As you recall how it feels
To be SO IN LOVE
And you SEE THAT IMAGE of us
(point to it) Up above

You see at last
who you've finally found
what you've looked for
and longed for
has finally COME round.

Poem 6
Intuition
by Unknown

When you begin to listen
And hang on every word,
You get an intuition.
Your mind is now your lord.

You hear this voice, inside you,
The voice you've heard before.
This voice has been there for you.
This voice has opened doors.

As just a little girl,
You found a special friend,
This voice told you "Just do it!
Your joy will never end!"

Remember all those times
This voice was in your mind.
It will be there forever,
Until the end of time.

In only a few seconds,
If you should hear this voice,
You can really trust it,
Let it make your choice.

This voice now whispers to you
The thoughts that come between
Your thoughts, inside your heart,
The wishes deep within.

The wishes you're denying,
The ones you're longing for.
This voice tells you, "Just do it.
Step through that open door.

Leave all your cares behind you,
Your future now unfolds.
You're free from inhibition.
Free from society's holds.

Take in what is before you,
Embrace it in your soul.
Allow it deep inside you,
And let it fill that hole."

This voice knows what you're thinking.
This voice is very wise.
Just trust your intuition,
And follow its advice.

Poem 7
Rose in Your Heart
by Dan Steward

What is it like to close your eyes
As deep inside you fantasize,
These feelings which your body knows
That stem from just this single rose.

You feel a smile bloom on your lips,
Feel velvet brush your fingertips,
Feel pleasure building, blood afire,
As eyes gaze deep on heart's desire.

You sense a fragrance in the air,
and see this one who'll take you there.
a laugh of joy, a sigh of bliss,
My lips meet yours in perfect kiss.

And feeling now this dream so right
That keeps on growing, night on night
The key you've yearned for from the start
To free this rose held in your heart.

Forever.

Poem 8
The Warrior's Bottle
by Bishop

There exists a tradition, centuries gone by
Of a warrior's bottle, and a lover's night cry
The tradition is said, to determine the fate
Of the mighty warrior, and his beautiful mate
A small bottle is given, from he to his lover
Made of delicate glass, and a cork for a cover
Then off he would go, into a long bloodied war
His mate left to worry, and long for him more
She kept the bottle close, and warm by her heart
Then like the falling rain, her tears would now start
Flowing from her cheeks, she wiped none away
Into the bottle, is where they must lay
Day into night, then night into day
Every new tear, being stored away
If the warrior survived, and returned from his quest
He would remove the bottle, that lay near her chest
If tears filled the bottle, near overflow
Nothing was said, for now he did know
It was without question, she loved only he
And had been faithful, despite being free
They would make love, until first light
Their spirits would soar, their fires ignite.
And if you look up, on such a magical night
You would see a star born, and burning so bright.

Poem 9
The Lover's Dance
by Bishop

Come with me, my lovely, as we start The Lover's Dance.
Take hold of my hand, and rise up with me.
Our wings spread wide, and our passions laid bare.
Higher we soar, with each heated breath.
And upon the clouds we sit, looking over our kingdom below.
Me upon you, for we have begun The Lover's Dance.
Words never spoken, yet images abound
Time does not hold us here, so we dance without a care
And all that you have dreamed, shines brightly into reality
Then once we are done, we embrace with just one thought
That we have entered the garden, and planted a tree

Poem 10
The Lover's Dance 2: To The Garden Once More
by Bishop

[Warning by Bishop: Only use/send it AFTER you have sent her the first "Lover's Dance" poem, and she's expressed a positive reaction to it, or else you'll freak her out! My personal signal that I have the green light, is if she makes ANY kind of sexual reference in her response to the first poem. Then I send them "A Warm Fuzzy" and then "Lover's Dance 2")

As I lay down inside the warm water of a soothing bath,
feeling those muscles relaxing...surrendering...I sense you watching me.
Watching me like a cat...purring seductively...preparing to pounce.
My muscles twitch in nervous excitement...and I become aroused.
You leap from your hiding place, an animalistic gleam in your eyes.
Landing with a splash, you wrap your arms around me.
The wetness...the nakedness...of our bodies...is like slippery silk.
I thrust my tongue between your parted lips, and we share a passionate kiss.
As I share a deep thought in each others eyes, you put your hands into the water...and explore.
You guide the object of your desire to where you want it..and..let out a pleased moan.
Our bodies blend into one, as we seem to float...to travel...back.
Back to the garden we have gone...another tree to plant.
I gently bite your neck, as you apply the pressure from your nails in my back.
The Dance of Lover's, we have learned it well together.
There are no words to be said, instinct and primal desire make the decisions.
You kiss my chest, and I rub your wet hair across my face.
Our motions intensify, and you grab my shoulders.
You tease my mouth with fleeting contact from your chest...then again...and again.
This passion we have created...in this moment...is beyond words...
beyond anything... your mind will concoct deep inside you.
I pull you down...then under me...in one fluid motion.
The Lover's Dance continues.
By the time we both...release...and return once again to our shared bath,
there is little water left inside the tub.
We take our time exiting, never disconnecting.
I carry you...dripping wet...out of the room...and onto the bed.
You turn me over, laying me on my back...keeping our connection...
and taking the upper spot...the balcony seat.
I cannot budge, you have me pinned.
You create the rhythm...a hard...long...series of motions.
I thrust my head back in pleasure...and the room spins.
You shudder with an explosion...deep within you...taking in the passion.
Then you disconnect...and let me taste.
With not a single word spoken, we become even more animalistic,
flying off of the bed and onto the floor.
The passion continues to intensify...as we work...ourselves...up..along...the wall.
You continue up...while I linger down.
You grab my head and grip my hair between your fingers.
I feel the rush of your next release...and accept it all.
Returning to meet you, I turn you around...to face the wall.
I reach around and cup you...as we begin our Lover's Dance anew.
Our legs tighten in fatigue...but we refuse to relent.
The Dance lasts for several more moments...then...you reach around...
take ahold of me...and accept my release.
We share in our gifts to each other, as we once again fall onto the bed.
Laying together, we take pleasure...in the warmth...of our heated bodies.
And as we listen closely...for a moment...the twin beats of our hearts...unite as one.
Soon, the relaxing wind will put us in slumber...and we will sleep.
Within that sleep...our Lover's Dance continues.
We will never know for sure...when we were dreaming...and when we were not.
The night will give way to day...and our next Dance will begin.

Poem 11
Lover's Eyes
by William

I stare now deep into my lover's eyes
Our foreheads meet, her breath is mixed with mine.
We share that bond, a touch felt deep within.
We feel desire, to touch with love again.

She pulls me slowly down and to her mouth
To taste her tongue. Her wetness does not douse
The heat she feels is growing hard to stop
Consumes us both, our passion burns our thoughts.

I lay her gently on her bed, and then
I slowly take off all her clothes, again
To taste the flavor of her skin, my lips
Caress each inch from throat to breast to hip.

I slowly bring her gasping to that peak
My tongue it probes her lips with pleasure seeks
To make her feel so good she cannot bear
For me to stop, I kiss her 'till she's there.

Our breath now comes in hot quick pants, we move
As one, our souls complete. Our passion proves
Our love beyond all spoken words, we've touched
that depth, and lay secure in naked touch.

Poem 12
Imagine [insert her name here]
by D.L. Whited

Imagine [insert her name here], if you can
The silky softness of my hand
Trembling lips against your cheek
Tender kiss to make you weak

Pushing close not asking why
Bodies melting with a sigh
Burning ache turns into flame
As I gently speak your name

Begging you to feed the fire
With every inch of your desire
Breathing deep the smell of lust
Crying out with every thrust

Then as the waves take us away
Together after we shall lay
You more woman, I more man
Imagine [insert her name here], if you can

If she compliments you

Don't be an ignorant bum, thank her: "How nice of you to say that, you are a very sweet person:)". Makes her feel good to have complimented you:) Don't start playing modest and fending it off "oh no, I'm not, no-no-no". But neither should you ungratefully and self-servingly declare "That's right, you noticed, finally, good!". No.

Just make her feel good having complimented you:) See "David Shade's online seduction" for an example of putting it to good use.

Act like the two of you have something really special going on

Ross Jeffries: "Always act and speak as if you two have something really special going on that can't be found anywhere else. This is a good attitude to have all the time. Don't just tell her you do, that gives her a chance to evaluate it and (god forbid) decide that's not the case." Say things like you are glad that you do have such a really special thing going and keep elaborating on the glad feeling. In the back of her mind she'll accept that you do have a special thing going - she has to in order to understand why you are glad (this was also an example of using a presupposition).

Paying her a compliment

Complimenting a girl is a double-edged sword. It has been known to go great lenghts and it has also been know to stop an advance dead in its tracks. Some girls will hang on to a guy who keeps complimenting them no matter what, other girls dismiss a guy that pays them a compliment as just another chump.

More than anything else, whether to compliment her or not depends on how you can pull it off. Being hesitant or bland about your compliment to a girl that usually loves and craves for compliments, can make her frown with scorn and turn her back on you. And being sincerely passionate and unique about your compliment to a girl that usually dismisses complimenters as chumps, can make her fall into your arms with a longing sigh.

Then again, being able to be passionate, sincere and unique, you most probably have no need to resort to paying compliments to win her favour - she is already aching to be with you based on your previous interactions:)

Should you however choose to compliment her nevertheless, here are a few pointers, which, if nothing else, should at least keep you from straying too far from the path of the perfect seduction:)

The first fule of complimenting - don't compliment the obvious. She knows about the obvious, she has heard compliments about it before and if you do it, you'll automatically be associated with all the chumps that got nowhere with her with their compliments about the obvious. Plus it gives the impression that you're just fishing for some cheap gratitude on her part without caring to invest much anything yourself.

You can make an exception to this rule if there's something about her, that you really like so much, that you just can't bare not to tell her. But in this case don't forget to add a description of why you like what you like about her and how it makes you feel.

The second rule of complimenting - do compliment the existent but not so obvious. This makes you stand out as it shows that you've actually invested some thought and have been more perceptive about her than others. When paying the compliment, don't just say you like this and that about her. Describe exactly why you like this and that, describe how this and that about her makes you feel - she'll be listening to you and feeling it alongside you.

The third rule of complimenting - compliments tend to linger in the minds of the ones that receive them. The more reason for you to pay only the "right" compliments. For each time she thinks of the compliment and it was "right", she'll think of you in an affectionate manner. And if it was cheap-ass - she'll think of you with scorn. So recognize and utilize the lingering aspect of compliments and only pay her the "right" compliments ("right" being defined in the first two rules) to have her feel continously affectionate towards you:)

Body compliments are better avoided in the initial stages of your interaction with the girl. Maxim :

“It makes me uncomfortable if a guy comments on my body in any way, as in `You look really good in that skirt.’ That’s way too familiar for just meeting someone. It’s too obvious that you’re trying to pick me up. —Karen, 27, St. Paul”

But do compliment the parts of her body that you like later in the relationship and she'll adore you for it, for now you are someone who's opinion actually matters to her and thus you have the power to make her happy. So yes, women crave for body compliments just as much or even more than personality compliments, just don't make the mistake of paying those compliments early into meeting her or you'll come off as a horny pervert trying for a cheap pick-up.

Cook for her and "date" at home

I have heard over and over again from women how their ideal date involves the man cooking them dinner.

The best places to pick up women are those where they go to eat. Women are truly slaves to the sensuality of food. If you make a dinner, you are providing them with sensual pleasure that they will associate with you.

Moreover, there is an air of competence and self-assurance that this automatically gives a man in their eyes. Women LOVE feeling taken care of and provided for (for obvious evolutionary reasons) and you making them dinner brings all of that.

Last, but very much not least, this turns your date instead of an encounter in a public place into a private rendezvous in a place where you can go… right to bed, should she feel like that:) And believe me, she will:)

It is disappointing to have the occasional problem where during the date the woman is very much in the mood but during the drive back she slips out of the mood, either due to internal considerations or due to something that happens during the drive back etc. Having the "date" at home - either by having lunch or dinner there - eliminates the problem:)

When should you call a woman after having sex with her?

Don Diebel: "Listen up guys. I can't begin to tell you how important this tip is. After you have had sex with a woman you must call her the very next day (this is especially critical for a woman you have just met or very early in a relationship.) So, what's the big deal? It's a very, very big deal to a woman giving her body to you. It's very special to her and she expects to hear from you the next day. If she doesn't she will feel used and that you don't have any respect for her. The bad thing about this is she may be so upset and angry towards you that she won't care to have intimate relations with you again and that's bad news for you. You really need to call her the next day just out of respect, if for no other reason.

There's an exception to the rule. That is if you really were just using her for sex and don't care to see her again. In other words, a one-night stand. If it really was just a one-night stand, don't lead her on by misleading her into thinking that you care for her and want to start a relationship with her. Just don't call her at all."

Romantic gifts and things to do

Don Diebel would suggest using these to win the girl you can't seem to get otherwise. This might be the route to take if you are fixated on just one girl alone. And sometimes, you might even get results with these. Most of the time though, you'll probably just be wasting your time, money and effort. So rather than trying to win a girl over with these, use them as a reward to a girl that has already have proven her worth by getting down with you:) Don Diebel:

Name a star in the universe after her. The acclaimed company, International Star Registry will send her a 12 inch by 16 inch parchment (no more than 35 letters) and two sky charts showing its position in the galaxy, which is suitable for framing. The cost is $48.00 plus $9.00 for shipping & handling. Call 1-800-282-3333 to place your order.

Send her a telegram (yes, a telegram!) telling her how much you care about her, how pretty she is, what a terrific person she is, how much you enjoyed your date with her, etc.

Give her a newspaper published on her birthday or on your special anniversary date. Original newspapers from over 50 cities are available dating back to the year 1880. Each newspaper comes with a protective sleeve. This fantastic and memorable gift is available from Newspaper Archives at 1-800-221-3221. The cost is $39.50 plus $6.95 for shipping & handling.

Send her a postcard with a romantic thought on it. It can be a simple statement like, "You're such a special lady and I wanted to let you know, I'm thinking about you".

Buy a erasable marker and write, " I love you" on her front windshield of her car (um, but don't use it unless you really do love her). Also, put a paper towel under the windshield wiper so she can wipe it off.

Buy some "post it notes" and put them on her bathroom mirror where she is most likely to see them. Write on them things like, "I love you" or "I can't wait to kiss and make love you to again."

Write her a very romantic love letter and hand it to her and say: "I've written this letter to someone very special in my life, could you do me a favour and proof read it for me for any misspelled words before I mail it out?"

Give her a call at work or at home at a time that you know that you will be getting her voice mail and leave her a romantic message such as, "I just called to let you know that you're in my thoughts and that I think you are a very special lady."

Take her on a romantic picnic. Bring a blanket, food, flowers, and champagne on ice.

This requires some timing to pull this off. Call the radio station you both listen to and dedicate a song to her. Make sure you don't tell her and time it to where you are both listening to the radio station when the request comes on the air.

By her one of those helium-filled "I Love You" or "Happy Birthday" balloons and mail it to her. This will really be an unexpected surprise.

I saved the classic romantic gift that always melts a single woman's heart for last. Send her flowers...it never fails to make a lasting impression on women. And it's so easy to do. Be sure and say something real sweet with the card that is delivered with the flowers.

From time to time it is good to switch off your usual "I'm an uncontrollable bad-boy and I never supplicate" mode and communicate something really special to her. One excellent idea originated by Rod and presented in Clifford's Seduction newsletter is the following: if you've had something which is generally accepted as bad or miserable happen to you, call her, e-mail her or just plain tell her the following: "I may have lost a lot of money at the horse track yesterday / I may have had my car stolen the day before / I may have had some other miserable sh_t happen to me quite recently, but I still consider myself damn lucky for knowing you." She'll have tears of joy and endearment bursting out of her eyes and you can expect her rushing to you in no time to "thank you" for that special thought;) Of course, this will be most effective if she already has some affection for you (after all, this is the "Handling the girls" section, which assumes that you already "have" the girl in one form or another), but this could start the melting of the heart of a more distant female acquintance of yours just as well:)

You can switch back your "no-supplication" mode later on. But through all your dealings with the opposite sex, remember what Jennifer Lopez said in anwser to a question of what kind of a man she wanted: "I want a tough guy, with a soft heart". I'm no Lopez-fan, but seems like she has figured out the desires of the most beautiful of girls pretty good (then again, being one herself, shouldn't be that hard to do:).

More romantic things to do. But remember - most of the advice here, especially the money-spending dating-based kind, is meant to be used with a woman (or women:) you are already romantically involved with (or in some cases, to put it bluntly - sleeping with:) in order to thank her / show her you care / keep the feelings vibrant and well / make her feel good etc. If however she feels nothing for you yet, you better not hold your breath when trying out the advice in this article to make the initial approach - she _might_ become intrigued, but more likely than not she won't and you'll have her considering your romantic moves only "cute" at best (which is why you should look elsewhere in this guide for information on how to approach and initiate, because after all, this is the "Handling the girls", not "Approaching the girls" section:).

· Write / send her a poem (see Use poetry for more information).

· Send her an e-card. Most men don´t care too much for e-cards while most women go gaaga over them, so keep that in mind:)

· Buy her a special little gift. But be warned - if you buy something expensive, she'll accept it thinking that she's letting you "buy" her affection, as opposed to her accepting a non-expensive gift from you, which she'll have to justify to herself as caused by her simply liking you. A much more desireable outcome:) ...and less expensive;)

· Hide the present somewhere she'll be sure to find it - in the pocket of her coat, in her purse, under her pillow. Upon finding it she'll be in tears of endearment for your unselfish affection for her:)

· Tell her you'll be late that evening, instead however show up early and take her to a romantic dinner.

· Make her a special Valentine's Day web-page.

· Write her a letter (a real letter not an e-mail:) and leave it next to her pillow.

· Take her to the zoo or a ride in a boat.

· Cook a special dinner for her.

· Talk to her about your feelings and tell her your fantasies.

· Take a long walk in the park together.

· Read something romantic or erotic together.

· Go somewhere you've always wanted to go together but have never had the time.

Managing many relationships at once

Chasing other girls while being in a relationship with one girl is percieved as a cruel and insensitive thing to do. And it is - assuming a one-on-one relationship is the norm.

If you have established a one-on-one relationship with one girl and she sees/discovers/hears you chase other girls, it is quite natural for her to assume, that you are doing that to have ensuing one-on-one relationships with those other girls, thus abandoning her and leaving her all alone. She will feel miserable, deceived, unhappy etc and you are the cause of all that.

So have you been cruel and insensitive? Yes. For having chased other girls? No. You have been cruel and insensitive for having established a one-on-one relationship and thus giving her grounds to assume that your chasing other girls will mean the end of your relationship with her. Of course, you can do all the explaining you want with her now, but the fact is - you have been leading her in a false direction.

In order to avoid any such unpleasant consequences, frame your relationship with her the way _you_ would like to see it from the start. If you want to be with her but not with her exclusively, let her know. If she walks then most probably she wouldn't have fitted into your future anyway. If she stays, it has been _her_ decision to accept your terms and now you won't have to worry about keeping your possible "adventures" a secret from her or how hurt she might feel if they came to her knowledge, she won't have to feel paranoid, jealeous or miserable because she knows, that as the two of you are not in a strict, traditional and monogamous one-on-one relationship, a new relationship of yours will not endanger her position the way it usually would, plus, should she feel like it, she is free to pursue any interests of hers without feelings of guilt or shame as well:) (Don't tell her that last thing though - she might take a "you are free to meet other people as well" the wrong way, it just too well a known substitute for "I'm dumping you", which is _not_ what you mean).

As for the right time to frame the relationship (if a relationship is something you want with her in the first place) - there is no right time. It is however probably best to frame it only after she has had the chance to taste _all_ the goodies that come with being with you (so that she'll know exactly what she'll be missing out on while her "sisters" are getting it, should she decide to walk:) but before she has come to expect a traditional relationship with you and especially before her she will start feeling her expectations of a traditional relationship with you being threatened by your more than friendly interactions with various other females (so that she will not be hurt and can be the judge of her actions now that she has an understanding of the situation).

So if you want relationships but don't want to be confined to them - be discreetly honest, tell her you want her but that you are already engaged in a couple of relationships of a more physical nature, and as those girls also know that neither of them is your only one, so should she, and now that she knows the situation, the decision as to a further course of action (either staying and accepting, or leaving) is up to her to make.

A practical suggestion by Alphahot1, ASF: "If you're going to be some kinda player, know that the average guy can handle roughly about 3 women at any time. That is, not all at once (although that happens too sometimes) but over time, assuming of course that you are COMPLETELY accommodating all 3 (or however many) women.

I have found that a practice that works very well, going with the above figures, is to keep from 5 to 6 women on the string at all times. 3 in "active" mode and at least 2 or 3 in the wings. I have found this to be a very good practice for being assured of being laid almost every night, if you so desire. If any of your 5 or 6 women start to get out of line and start giving you trouble, DUMP her immediately and replace her, always keeping the numbers right about the same.

The key of course here is OPTIONS. Generally, the more options you have, the better off you will always be. Just don't get TOO many - that can sometimes be just as bad or even worse than not having any options at all. So if you have any kind of life whatsoever other than just women, I think you will find TOTALLY accommodating about 3 of them to be just about a full time job."

How to frame the whole situation, when the question of dating many women concurrently does come up with one of the girls. Marcus, Clifford's Seduction Newsletter: "It doesn't matter how many people we can share our affections with, but rather it's about how well we can truly be with whom we're with when we're with them."

She wants YOUR number instead?

If things come to a close (see "Closing") and you have already quite bluntly asked for her number and she gives you the "Why don't you give me YOUR number?", there are a few things to consider before you comply.

The most beautiful of girls have a strange little hobby - they collect phone-numbers. AFC's are always there to offer them their numbers, so can you blame them?:) And usually there's even a little competition going on between girls, who gets the most phone-numbers by the end of the evening / week / year. But are they ever gonna use all those numbers? Yes, by making a fire out of all those business-cards / napkins at the end of the day / week / year:)

That's why you shouldn't ever offer your phone number firsthand and that is why you have to pause and think if she asks for your number without offering hers. She just might be looking at you thinking "another sucker, let's see if I can extract a phone number". Then again, she just simply might not feel comfortable giving you her number, but either way - if you only give yours without getting hers in exchange, your chances of ever seeing her again will plummet.

To salvage the situation, you might show her that you're not just another sucker and you're quite aware of the devious little hobby some girls have with respect to phone numbers. She of course will start assuring you, that that is not the case at all with her - tell her she can convince you by giving you her number:) Or you can bypass the "naughty girls with naughty hobbies" scenario by replying with something as innocent as: "Well I keep a rather hectic schedule, if you call me, you'll probably end up developing a long lasting and fulfilling relationship with my answering machine. I'm in and out a lot. However, with your number I could call you when I was able to actually talk."

If she still refuses to give you her number

If she seems reluctant to give you her phone-number both after structuring an opportunity for her to offer her number and straight-out asking for it, whatever you do, don't push it. You need to remain polite and safe, like its no big deal if she doesn't want to give you her number. But that doesn't mean you'll have to write her off in your mind, here's a strategy of covert persistence by Johnny Shack :

"Remember: when approaching a woman you have never met you must not be too overwhelming because it can make her back up. If you press the issue much further you will not get anywhere. You must still be persistent however and the best thing you can do if you really want her is this - ask her a couple of times about dating you and if this doesn't work change the subject to idle chit chat.

In this chit chat you have 2 goals.

The first is to make an impression on her what a good guy you are. Women love a guy that can hold some sort of conversation. For some reason women think they are more intelligent than the majority of men. Once you realise this, you need to throw this thought of theirs out the window and show that you are different.

The second goal and more important is to find out where she works. People's favorite subject is themselves and you can run a conversation purely on questions about her. She will almost always answer at least a few of them. Now two of these questions needs to be where does she works and what is her name [note that this is not the AFC-style "sooo... what's your name?" and "soooo... where do you work?" line of questioning which leads nowhere and is just testament to the fact that the guy is really desperate to have something, anything to talk about with the babe but can't really come up with anything; no, this time the questions are actually going somewhere, so hold on:)]. You can say "Oh by the way my name is Johnny". If she doesn't automatically tell you her's you should ask for it almost immediately after you have given your's. Now instead of asking a bold question like "where do you work" (the reason this is bold is because you are strangers and sometimes a girl will get defensive if you ask too many direct questions)you say, "So what industry are you in?". Wait till she answers then say: "Do you like it"? Now she may even tell you at this point where or who her employer is but if she doesn't you say: "Oh, where do you work from? I know someone that does that and they really love it". Here you are creating an impression that you have something in common with her and she will loosen up and think you are safe to be with. You have also made her feel good that her profession is one that you respect.

Now that you know her name and the place she works in you should be the one that makes the move to leave. It is somewhat important to be the one to make the move to leave to eliminate a possible feeling in her that you may be pestering her (actually she's lucky you are, but strange beings those women are:). Its not vital but a good advantage to have made the move first to leave."

[And a couple of days later you can phone the operator of the place she works in and ask for her:) Remember to introduce yourself and remind her of your encounter a few days before. She might pretend she can't quite remember you or the enconter but you can be certain that she does - she's just testing you if her forgetfulness about you can put you off. Just continue with:]

"I'm the guy who came up to you and asked for your phone number at [whereever]."

"[a simulated response of being curious of how you found her] And how did you find me here?"

"Remember how you told me who you work for, well I rang the operator to get your number hoping I would find you there. You didn't think I would let you get away that easily did you:) [remember to smile here, she'll "hear" it]?"

"Well now that I have gone to this much trouble the least you could do is accept an invitation to go out with me next week."

"[a simulated response of being curious what you have in mind] It would have to be something pretty good to live up to your confidence."

"Well, I've been on some dates in the nicest restaurants and the theatre and many of them have been great. But I've also been on a couple of dates where all we did was go and have coffee and they also went great. So it just depends on whether or not we need scenery to make our time together fun... and I'm betting we don't. Just leave it to me and I'll think of something we'll both enjoy".

A word of warning on the last statement - the reason for letting the girl know that you have dated before is to create the image that you are a desirable man. It can also put the girl at ease thinking that this idea of going on a date with you is not really a big deal. You don't however want to lead the girl to believe that she is not really that important to you and you are just a guy who goes from girl to girl, so be careful."

If she says "Why do you ask?"

Asking all those questions needed to evoke emotions and elicit values can sometimes result in her asking you a "Why do you ask?" in return. Be prepared to answer her honestly. Not that you are trying to seduce her using patterns and NLP etc, dumbass:)! Because what you are "really" doing, is trying to get to know to her better or rather, give her a chance to show you whether she is the kind of person you should get to know better. And the questions are there only to help and guide her along the way. En example of a conversation preceding that nevertheless ominous question (ASF):

You: …remember the things you wanted to say to that person, and the daydreams and thoughts that kept coming in and out of your head about the two of you? Privately, deep inside you - do you remember how you felt?

Her: Why do you ask?

You: Well… as we are sitting here talking… over coffee… I thought it would be nice … to get to know you… as a person… I remember one girl (doesn't matter if you do or not:)… I was in college… it was like there was an almost magical bond connecting us… we would even finish each others sentences. I wonder did you ever… feel that way… With me… it is so wonderful… to have that sort of connection… don't you think?

Her: Yeah! (or whatever)

And if you get busted while doing an If she is working:

You: Well, you're working now and I could see you seemed a little tired, so I just wanted to take your mind off your job for a moment and have you imagine something relaxing and soothing right here:)"

If she asks "Are you trying to seduce me?"

Trying the techniques provided here could sometimes result in the woman asking you with a sly smile:

"Are you trying to seduce me?"

"So you enjoy seducing women?"

"Have you broken many hearts?"

"You're a player, aren't you?"

Neither "Um… yea" nor "OH-NONONONONO!!" are any good to respond to that with. Rather use the excellent aversion provided by David Shade. ASF:

"I enjoy getting to know a woman who is intelligent, natural, and who has a child-like curiosity for life. And when I meet such a woman, I would want to enjoy all that life has to offer together with her. And for me there is nothing finer then feeling that incredible connection with someone that you feel so very close to."

You just made her feel even better while avoiding a direct answer.

NihgLight9 explains, why neither a "yes" or a "no" are good anwers to a question like that. NightLight9, ASF: "I think mystery is something you want. Being known as a ladies man is good thing with some women, but not others, but having her wonder is probably better than either. If your going after women who are older, more experienced or want to seem older your experience would be a real plus. I see a lot of women who want a guy who has had a few partners, but not a lot. They don't want to train, but they don't want a "player." Being a player makes them not feel like they are special."

"Have you ever…?" gets busted

If she says "no" to a "have you ever…?", she's probably young and/or inexperienced. Or wants you to bail:) Well never mind all that, you can go on with "well, neither have I, but my friend Sandra told me, that…" and now go in with your original description and take her on a trip like she's never been to before:)

If she just keeps interrupting and blabbering and won't let you take her on a trip, then, at least according to Ross Jeffries, switching to third person ("my friend Christina told me, that she feels…") should do the trick as well. That should shut her up, as it is supposedly rude to blabber about yourself when your conversation partner talks about a third person.

Or, use this one:

"Have you ever met someone (sp) and instantaneously feel such a complete attraction for him (sp), that you feel like you just _have_ to do something about it? It's the kind of feeling, that you just have to get near that guy and you know, that even if you never see him again, you'll be happy with all your choices and you'll always cherish the pleasant memories?"

"No"

"Well that's just so interesting, how different people have different experiences, but my friend Lola was just telling me about an experience just like that (now you can go in with describing that experience in even further detail)"

Ejecting

You don't always have to close. Ross Jeffries: "I don't need to win all the time; I size up a woman's potential and either go for it or move on and cut my losses FAST. Sometimes the best choice is just to say, "adios" and move on. When you realise that you don't have to win (or close) all the time, then it takes the pressure off and you become much more relaxed. Ironically, and paradoxically, this almost always leads to your winning far more often than you ever imagined possible!!!!"

In addition to her not rising up to meet your standards, you could be dealing with a woman who for some reason or another simply isn't interested. So if you are getting none of the signs of her being interested in you in a reasonable amount of time after a reasonable amount of effort on your part to demonstrate personality and entertain her (with the help of using eliciting values, patterns, GM style, neghits, telling anecdotes or funny/interesting/intriguing stories etc), you should call it off and eject.

So many uninitiated chumps just linger on forever in the hopes of getting the girl interested, maybe, somehow, at some point... which leaves the bored and frustrated woman no other option than ejecting him herself, often ending the interaction on a bad vibe and having wasted both of their times longer than should have been necessary. If however you know when to cut your losses and quit, you have a good chance of ending the conversation when everything is still good (leaving an opening for a possible future interaction), you show that you are not desperate or overeager making you look more desireable (which will further enhance a possibility of a future interaction) and your time will be better spent looking for and interacting with other girls who know to appreciate you instead of this one who does not etc. You were only offering her a chance and she failed to grab it, but you have no need to push it - you know your stuff is good, so just eject and move on.

Here's an example ejection phrase suggested by Mystery for use in a club/bar situation: "The night's young... pleasure meeting you".

Ross Jeffries:

Scenario 1

Her: I can't make it. I've got a rare tropical disease that's causing me to shrink by the hour.

You: (dead silence for as long as it takes for her to talk again. Just say NOTHING!!!)

Her: Hello? Are you there? What's wrong?

You: What's wrong is I can't believe the bullshit I'm hearing.

Her: What?????

You: Look...you made a commitment to spend time with me and now you're blowing me off. You're disrespecting me and disrespecting my time and I'm NOT going to put up with it. My rule is, if someone makes a commitment to me, I expect them to keep it. If they can't keep it, I need to know at least a day in advance so I can make other plans. Got it? If you can live with that rule, great...if not, sayanora!

Then, HANG UP!!

Now, this may sound extreme, but man does it work well!!! In fact, she'll probably call back with five minutes and apologise and ask you out!!! I'm not kidding here; I've seen the hardest, jaded bitches go to giggly little girls, eager to please me when I've done this. It throws some kind of switch in their heads. I guess with some people, you don't really get their attention until... You Give Them A Swift Kick In The Ass!!

Scenario 2

You go to pick her up at her place and she either keeps you waiting outside for more than ten minutes, or lets you in and then proceeds to talk on the phone for at least that long while totally ignoring you. Wait for her to finish, and as soon as she does say something like this:

YOU: Can I ask you a question?

HER: Sure.

YOU: Are you being intentionally rude to test me, or are you just an accidental asshole?

HER: (mouth dropping open in shock, unable to say anything!)

YOU: Don't ever keep me waiting like this again, ok? I'll always treat you respectfully, but I expect the same. Do you understand me?

HER: Uh… uh… yes.

YOU: Good. Let's see you make it up to me.

And at this point grab her and kiss her passionately. If you can, try to turn this into a fuck then and there. Why give her an evening on the town and reward her rotten behaviour?

If she doesn't return your phone-calls/e-mails

Things are looking grim if she doesn't seem to be returning a phone-call or an e-mail. But not all is lost yet as it all depends how you proceed from here.

One certain way to mess things up is calling / e-mailing her some more with the message being that although you are just slightly confused as to why she hasn't answered you yet, its ok anyway, lets try again, "here's my number one more time" etc. Bad. This is sure-fire method of losing her.

Another way to react is not to react at all - you sent your message, she received it, now its her turn to act, and if she doesn't, well, too bad. This method lets you keep your integrity and pride, but you could also be losing out on women who either can't seem to be able to make up their minds (but beware, they will definetly decide against you once they receive a supplicating follow-up message from you!) and/or are the kind of girls, that know to start "behaving" only after having received a few "slaps" from you.

So if hopes were high (you hit it off well, she gave you her number etc, any signals of possible interest you might have received from her will do) but now she seems to have disappeared - show that you WILL NOT TOLERATE such a behaviour, and only because you saw some potential for the two of you are you WILLING to give her ONE LAST CHANCE. But if she dares to f_ck up again - its bye-bye- and blam!-door-slam-time:)

A sample e-mail/voice message by ||0_ProB, ASF: "Hi [girls name]. This is [my name]. I wanted to let you know how disappointed I was that you didn't call me back. But, since I saw so much potential for us I thought I would give you one last chance. So why don't you give me a call."

This approach also works if she does return your e-mails and phone-calls, but never seems to have time to actually get together with you. So if she always seems to have some prior engagements or projects or business or other BS to take care of and never time for you, here's an example of a simple and direct message by Maniac High, ASF:

"Hi xxx
So are you going to make time to meet me, or are you always busy? I am free Sunday afternoon btw."

If she disrespects you

MrSex4uNYC, ASF: "At the first sign of disrespect to you OR passing up an opportunity to spend time with you, you dump her. When she calls you wanting to go out or something, you tell her that her behaviour was unacceptable and that the only way you are going to let her hang out with you again is if she (make up whatever shit you want her to do because she broke the rules, fuck, suck, whatever). If all you want from her is a kiss, get that. If all you want is for her to dress sexily, make her do that. If she doesn't agree to your terms tell her don't call you again until you are ready to meet my demands and HANG UP. The point of returning fox is that she is crawling back to you so you have the POWER in the relationship."

Ross Jeffries suggests issuing a warning at first, which is pretty much the same thing - you have to show that you're serious about it: "Don't be afraid to call her on bullshit she might pull. Girls will always test your limits... so the first time they do, call them on it. Tell her that you won't put up with that shit and not to do it again. NEVER forget you were born without her. And that there are a hundreds more like her and a thousands more that are even better than her."

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Disrespecting you can also be a form of testing you if the chick likes you at first but wants to determine your worthiness or lack of worthiness - she will be testing you in order to find out whether you are a supplicating taking-all-her-shit pussyboy or a man with self-control and the ability to take charge.

Mr Happy, ASF: "In order to pass such a test (an example of which is cancelling a date), you must:

Show that you don't lose your temper over it.

Show that you don't whine like a baby over it.

Show that it doesn't really phase you.

Show that you DO find it disrespectful and that you don't tolerate that.

(4) is the most important point, but you MUST do it in such a way that (1,2,3) are true."

The age difference problem

First off, you should never anticipate any negative outcomes and that includes anticipating age to be a potential problem. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be minimizing the risks, and that is why this issue of a "yet non-existent problem" is addressed here.

Secondly, you should be the "perfect man" for the woman of your choice dispite or even "because" of your age (for example, if the question of your age does come up, reframe it as a question of whether _she_ is mature enough to be with you). You accomplish being a "perfect man" by displaying all the right qualities and none of the wrong ones, either through eliciting values, patterning, negging etc, doesn't matter which as long as they do the job - you are the "perfect man" and whatever your age, it'll only be to your advantage.

But that's ideally and we don't live in an ideal world, so sometimes the fate of a relationship might just be determined by something as trivial as your age. Although in theory the age of the person to associate with should not be a problem, it is undoubtedly a consideration for many women.

Being "too young" for a woman is a rare occasion and even then rarely a problem, as older women welcome younger guys in their arms quite gladly:) Being "too old" for a woman is a much more serious issue, especially with women fresh into womanhood (late teens and early to middle 20s).

So if you anticipate your age might turn into a potential problem, what do you do? Neither do you want to tell her and risk being found out to be "too old" nor do you want to lie (even if you don't have a problem being unethical, being found out to be a liar can have even worse consequences than being found out to be "too old"), right?

Here's a suggestion by Mystery, ASF: "Lie - serious. You only have to lie for the first 2 weeks. Then you let them in on the secret as if only they know... not even your MOM knows the truth. Girl's alredy fucked you. Then the TRUTH brings you closer. Trust me, I KNOW."

If you prefer to keep your integrity and stay honest, the best way to do it is to reframe the problem of whether you are too old to whether she is mature enough. Scot Scinner, ASF:

Her: Aren't you a little old for me? How old are you?

Him: 42.

Her: See, I'm 19. That's too big of a difference in ages.

Him: It is not a question of the differences in our ages, as it is a question of whether or not you are mature enough to become involved with me.

Her: Yeah, right. (or) I mature enough...blah, blah, blah.

Him: When you GO INSIDE and THINK about the advantages, of being with an older man, if you could just DO IT NOW, you'll see that there are plenty [continue with patterning].

Razor505, direct contribution: "First you always wait for her to bring up the difference (you must know the difference i.e. 15, 17 years whatever). Second listen to whatever she says at this point... feed it back to her, then tell her "Look, you don't have to imagine how either way it goes we both win, right? (keep talking dont give her a chance to respond) I mean if we just become good friends we win right (don't give her a chance to respond) or if we become more we still win right (keep going) or if we go each our own ways we still win right?" And instanly ask something about her. It is very important to say all this as off hand as you can."

Nothing works with this girl

You've tried patterns, eliciting values, being friendly-touchy-kino, maybe some GM, Smooth, even being a bad-boy hasn't worked. Then just start ignoring her, be rude, if she asks "why?", say because you just want to, you'll just do what you want. She just might start making passes on you and if you keep on just ignoring her and pushing her away, it'll make her crazy and eventually you can do whatever you want with her. But don't use it unless really nothing else has worked so far. Remember, she hasn't responded to you favourably, so she's on her way out anyway. But if it now turns out that she is the kind that likes a little kick in the buttocks every once in a while, well good for you:)

If she says: "Let's just be friends", aka LJBF's you

Ideally, you should never get to a point where a girl is forced to "LJBF" you - that is when she doesn't want you but you don't seem to be able to take a hint. First of all, you should be able to make most any girl want you anyway, and secondly, should she really be disinterested, you should have moved on long before she has a chance to "LJBF" you. If however you still happen to wind up in a mess like that, this is what Don Diebel suggests (he should know, he is the "dating guy":).

Don Diebel: "If a girl ever blocks advancing the relationship by saying, "No, let's just be friends," say, "No, I have lots of friends. See you later." By continuing this type of relationship, you portray yourself as someone who has nothing better to do than hang around with a girl who is not that interested in you. The relationship will never get to where you want to go - to bed for some romance, passion, and sex. And even if by some miracle the relationship did advance to the bedroom, she would be doling out sex - dictating the where, when and how much. If she wants to cut you off at any time, she can and you have to accept it because that is the implied agreement from the start. She is in complete control, hence, she will never be satisfied with you.

If, on the other hand, you walk away from this relationship, you have established that you are the type used to leading a relationship, you have plenty of other girls willing to take you on your terms, and she is losing out. We have seen cases where a man will completely turn around the relationship as soon as a girl sees that he is willing to "walk" rather than accept something that is not on his terms.

When do you give up on a girl? When do you decide that a relationship is not advancing? When you are the only one making an effort to keep it advancing. If she is not putting energy in to you, take the hint and move on to the next prospect. Don't stay where you're not appreciated. If this situation does occur, try to figure out why. How did she perceive you? What turned her off? Learn from your mistakes."

What to do, if you can see that you're approaching LJBF-land with a girl. Glenn Durden, ASF: "Completely and totally cut off all contact with her for a few months. When you come back, you can almost start from scratch. More of a stranger, less of a "close friend"."

Dealing with rejection

Ideally, that should never happen. Whatever you did to get rejected (a serious dumb-ass pick-up line, asking for a dance out of the blue, offering to buy a girl a drink, trying a close when all her signs were screaming "I'm not interested!" etc), you should seriously reconsider you approaches. You are there to make the woman feel good, better than she's ever felt before in her life. Remember, the attitude to have when is "Hmm, let's find out how much incredible and ticklish fun this woman can stand:)". If however you come to a point of being rejected, you have twice failed - for some reason, neither did you make her feel good nor did you notice this fact, which in itself constitutes a second failure.

Nevertheless, getting rejected happens to the best of'em:) In many cases, they get rejected because they don't really care too much, they see the signs of the girl not being interested, but they push on nevertheless, call that lazyness if you wish:) They know they can get any girl anyway, even this one, if they tried a little more / a little less / a different approach etc. But they just don't care, maybe she'll turn around eventually anyway, and if not, who cares. From time to time however, rejection gets even them by surprise:) This is how some of them deal with it.

ASF:

Say "It's been a pleasure meeting you:)". Say it like you really really mean it - in a friendly, respectful yet empathic manner. This way:

you'll make her see that her behaviour didn't get to you one bit, you don't NEED her company, you just offered her a chance to be in your company

you'll set yourself apart from all the losers who leave mumbling "bitches, they're all the same…" after having striked out

you'll remain cool, confident, a gentleman in good humour. And she'll feel crappy after realising SHE just lost YOU!:)

Or if she has simply ignored you, add "...didn't realise you were deaf:)"

Ross Jeffries: "I never attach excess meaning to winning or losing with women. What I basically I mean is to realise that if a woman accepts you, it doesn't mean that the next one will, so stay on your toes, and don't get lazy or sloppy. And if she rejects you, it just means that the approach you tried, at this particular time, with this particular woman, hasn't worked... yet. It might work at another time with her, or you may just need another approach. Even if it doesn't, as I once told a friend of mine who only thought he saw me get rejected... I never get rejected. I only discover if a woman has good taste!!"

The good thing about using patterns if they're new to you, from the article in Playboy: "Parroting someone else's words, it didn't feel like my ego was on the line the way it normally is. Maybe that's the key. If I don't get over with her, it won't be a personal rejection of me. She just didn't go for the material. In the language of Jeffries, I'm on a fishing trip, and I want to see if I can land something quickly. I'm not going to get hung up on any one fish."

More about dealing with rejection from the same article: "Truth is, most successful seducers I've known don't hit for a high average. James Toback, the writer and director of The Pickup Artist, whom I met in Los Angeles in 1980, was as compulsive and tireless in his pursuit of women as anyone I've ever seen, and a lot said no. But Toback told me he never took rejections personally: "If someone didn't respond to me, the only effect was to make me think I was wrong about her, that I had made a mistake. As Jeffries says, "The difference between losers and winners is that losers don't fail enough." And he's right. You have to step up to the plate. If it's not your natural inclination, then having a strategy is helpful and using suggestive language is good. Even if the NLP stuff is a gimmick, a lot of late-night hooey, you'd be better off out there using it than you would be at home in front of the television, watching the infomercial."

Ross Jeffries's attitude: "The worst that can happen, is that you find out some girl doesn't want to play with you". Remember - you were about to give her a fantastic gift (be it through patterns or an orgasm of a lifetime:). If she turns you down - poor girl, she doesn't know what she just lost:)

Mr Happy, ASF: "Rejection is a good thing, not a bad thing. The more I get rejected, the more I will get laid. I learn something every time. If a woman rejects me it just shows how stupid she is. My gain, her loss."

The reasons for a girl to reject you according to Johnny Shack Keep in mind though, that Mr Shack seems to prefer the numbers game without wanting to do much individual groundwork of making the girls like him beforehand. He just presents himself as best he can, makes his offer as sincere and compelling as he can, and if rejected, turns to these reasons in his mind:

"There are only three reasons that will cause a rejection. Believe in them and

you will be unbeatable!

1. She has a boyfriend.

2. She already wants a friend of your's.

3. She doesn't have the confidence to say yes. You need to work out whether you want to chase this woman or not. Many women really do not feel they are good enough to be asked on a date and therefore automatically say no. She may also have been burn't by some guy recently or in the past and this attributes to her lack of confidence. The problem the woman faces is that the longer she goes on with this and doesn't face her fears then the more like vinegar she becomes. Also many women for various reasons have this idea that by not going out with anyone it makes them more desirable. I think it just grows cobwebbs!

So guys you really don't know what is going on in their minds. If they say "No" then the logical way is to remember these three points. It stops you losing confidence. Remember that your state of mind is determined by the information you feed it with."

But I really want this girl!

No, this is exactly the wrong attitude. If she is your only prospect, the one you're thinking about day and night, you keep playing different scenarios of approaching her and making her like you in your mind over and over again - that's called desperation. And it'll show. She's gonna see it (consciously or subconsciously) and nothing repels girls more than a desperate guy. That's why you have to be chasing multiple girls at any given time, so if one of them gives you trouble, the heck with her, you have other girls wanting to be down with you:)

But the really good part is this - the ones giving you trouble can sense instantly that you're not phased by it, you're displaying none of the usual signs of despair, heart-ache, supplication etc. You just don't give a damn, you just don't have time to give a damn, you're got too much action going on elsewhere. Guess what?:) This is exactly what suddenly makes you desirable in their eyes:) Mystery: "Notice how a man who gets girls gets MORE girls while a man who has nothing continues to get nothing?".

A standard question in ASF: "I really-really want this girl, she is so special, what can I do to make her want me!?"
A standard answer in ASF: "Make love to at least 10 other girls, then see if you still want this girl and think she is so special:)"

Mr Happy, ASF: "Do not ever fixate on any one woman, it turns her off. To lay her, she must believe that you like to fuck women, that you would like to fuck her, but that you don't NEED her because you have all kinds of women all over you.

[The good way to gain such an attitude is to] go out and approach 12 women a day, 4 days/nights a week. That's 48 women a week. Your skills will undergo massive improvement with such practice. You should always be able to blow off any woman to go pick up another one. If you won't put in the effort, you will not get the results. And if you won't even put in the effort, then you are a pussy and evolution is weeding you out. If you DO put in the effort, you WILL improve and get great results."

Allen Thompson, Don Juan newsletter:

"Obsessing about a particular girl, and whether or not she likes you, is the KISS OF DEATH! If you're worrying about whether a girl likes you or not, chances are she doesn't - or rather, SHE WON'T. She won't because your "worry" and your obsession with what she thinks of you will actually push her away. When you let yourself fall into the "obsession" trap, you begin to analyze everything your dream girl does, every word she says, every move she makes... and try to relate them all to you. She smiled at you - she didn't smile at you. She emailed you - she didn't email you. She returned your call - she didn't return your call. Confusion, frustration, and anxiety result."

And not just for you. If she comes to know that you're obsessing about her, she will also know, that you'll be analysing her every move in relation to you. Which will invariably make her uncomfortable. She can't be herself anymore, she can't relax and feel free in your proximity/company. Knowing that you're obsessing, she will feel anxiety, discomfort and maybe even fear when you're around. And on all occasions, she will want to get away, further away from the source of her anxiety, further away from you.

Well, but there's this rather slight and slim possibility, that she's also obsessing about you, right? I mean, people sometimes do end up with people who have initially been obsessed about them, and they live happily ever after, right? Yeah right, in fairy-tales they do. In real life however, if you want her, do something, anything, preferably of course something suggested elsewhere in this guide, and quick. But once you let yourself become obsessed and act under the influence of that - you're doomed. And this is also where the standard ASF suggestion of "spend some intimite time with ten other girls before you get back to this "special" girl again" stems from. Because once you're accomplished that, you'll ease up on the obsession, you will feel relaxed and comfortable (and as moods are contagious, so will she), she in turn will be more comfortable about getting close to you, and now that you're filled with calm confidence ("heck, even if she doesn't dig me enuff, I've just been with ten girl and can get laid at will anyway, so let's just have fun with this") you will be able to handle her more proficiently etc.

If she says she has a boyfriend

Don't ever, never, ever ask if she has a boyfriend! Maybe she does, maybe not - so what, who cares?

Maybe she does, but wants to have a little fun - your prompting about a possible borefriend will put her off the mood, she'll move on to another guy and get what she came looking for anyway. Or maybe she does, but is also pretty curious about you and wouldn't want the existence of a boyfriend scare you away. She might even be considering dumping him in favour of you. Once you've extracted that information from her however, she might just write you off in her mind.

If however she blurts it out without prompting, it still doesn't mean anything. Maybe she really thought she wanted to scare you away, but she really didn't know what she was doing:) Take it humorously, be light-hearted and give her another chance:)

Examples:

HB: Sorry, but I have a boyfriend.
You: *Laughing* Hey, I just met you and you are already telling me about your problems:)?

ASF: "If I ask her to meet me somewhere and she says "But I have boyfriend", I answer with "If he makes you happy, then you could bring him along." Then I ask, "Does he make you happy?". I decide if I should follow up based on the response. Most have had some complaints about him which gives me something that I can work with later and a topic of discussion."

Maniac High, ASF: "[One reason she might be saying she has a BF is that] she really does have a BF, likes you, but doesn't want to feel guilty about cheating on her BF. This is classical "chick logic" at work here and is good, because it means you are on your way to a fuck, even in spite of the BF... Basically this happens because she thinks that if she tells you about the BF now, she can relax and let you you fuck her anyways, since its "not her fault now" that she fucked you, because, she *did* tell you about the boyfriend, and you ignored it, ie. she "had no choice in the matter"."

Use this one if the boyfriend comes up for the first time in the conversation. If she keeps insisting on it, move on to any other boyfriend smashing-bashing technique described in this guide. Mystery, ASF:
HER: I have a boyfriend.
ME: That's nice ... so anyway ....
REASONING - ignore the topic and so will she.

Aaron R. Kulkis, ASF:
Her: "I have a boyfriend"
You: "Thats *good* - I'm not really looking for a girlfriend either:)"
Comments by Alphahot1, ASF: "Try to say it as congruently as possible and with no sarcasm. Now you have put her a little more at ease and consequently, she will be more open to you. NOW, proceed to SS the fuck out of her with everything you can hit her with. After about 15 or 20 minutes, you won't have to worry about any boyfriend. Because she will now want *YOU* to be her boyfriend!! Plain and simple.

Alienating the boyfriend in her mind

Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":

"We all know that not one person in this world is perfect. If you begin talking about relationships, feel free to discuss the little things that bother people in a relationship in general and later get her to give you examples of some of the things that bug her about her boyfriend or husband. At first she may not say much, but if she can relate to the day to day problems in a relationship that you describe in general the more likely it is for her to agree with you on some points. When she does you can get her to be more specific. Once there's a crack, amplify it.

At first sympathize with the situation and somehow try to find the positive in it, and how her boyfriend or husband can justify that particular behavior through love and so on. But slowly and surely as the negatives of the situation are amplified, abandon your understanding for her boyfriend/husband's behavior and begin to offer her an alternative. Tell her how you think things should be and make sure they favor her. Begin to act exactly as she would love her husband to act while still intensifying her disappointment (if not anger) with him. Now's the time to be there for her, and once you've successfully alienated her boyfriend or husband (even if only for the moment) begin your seduction from either the interest or even desire stage. When it comes to the last stage of your seduction, try not to bring up the boyfriend again unless she's the one who brings it up, and if she does, just re-enforce that alienation.

Along the same lines, when you are trying to alienate the boyfriend or husband, you should never say that they are bad and you are good, just show them how you think a wonderful relationship should be and how certain behavior exhibited by their boyfriends/husbands is at the very least questionable in a loving relationship. Questioning specific behavior is the easiest and fastest way to cast doubt over the entire relationship or at the very least his feelings for her.

For example, if a girl goes out with her friends on a girl's night out without her boyfriend, just question his desire to be with her. At first she will be happy and loving towards him because he is understanding and giving her the independence she needs, but when you question his motives for it she will begin to question them too.

"I know it's great to be able to go out with your girlfriends and have a good time, but would he not want to be here with you and enjoy your company and perhaps dance with you and kiss you at the right moment when a slow dance ends?"

"We both need some independence and he understands that I need to see my friends once in a while too."

"I understand independence and it's great, but being as beautiful as you are, is he not a bit jealous not knowing how many guys out there might try to pick you up, or does he not care about that possibility?"

"He trusts me."

"Does he encourage you to go out with your girlfriends often? You know my first impression would be that you are such a lucky girl to have such a wonderful boyfriend/husband, but my nature just won't let go of certain things that sound off tiny little alarms. Have you ever called him on your night out? Is he even there, or is this a good chance for him to go out with his buddies too?

"Even if he is, what's wrong with that? I'm out here with my friends?"

"Yes, but you're not guys. Do all his buddies have girlfriends and just go out for a drink? Or do they go out to pick up some girls? I'm not saying that he would do that, but if his buddies are, what exactly is he doing with them?

I must say that I admire that you have such an open relationship, I don't know if I could let you go if I had a girlfriend like you. I think I'd want to spend as much time with you as possible. How can anybody ever get tired and need a break from seeing you and whispering sweet little nothings in your ears? I guess I just don't understand, but it sounds like he must be a great guy. I'm sure that he is the kind of guy who would…(describe the most wonderful and romantic things a guy could possibly say and do to a woman), otherwise I know he wouldn't stand a chance of being with a girl like you. I know you must be the kind of girl who wouldn't settle for anything less and would never expect anything less from a guy. You are so lucky.

I'll tell you, a guy who would ever take you for granted even in the smallest way would have to be too selfish to even realize what he's got. But I know someone like that would definitely lose out to the competition because I'm sure any red-blooded guy in this world would do just about anything to be with a girl like you, and I'm not just saying that, I can point out a number of guys that have been just staring at you all night.

It must be such a wonderful feeling to know that you are admired, loved and appreciated isn't it? And I'm not talking about those guys, but the one at home, who in my mind questionably still isn't here with you."

If she goes to the phone at any time throughout the evening, that's a good sign. She's starting to question some of those things too and is looking for reassurance hoping that he is home. If he is home, chances are that the conversation will not go very well especially if he can hear the loud party atmosphere in the background. In addition if you were able to plant even the smallest seeds of jealousy in her mind, she will act in a way that would cause him to be defensive on the phone. If for some reason they have even the smallest fight, you've got a chance. Start treating her like she would like her boyfriend to treat her, and work on those desires and romance."

Boyfriend-smashing techniques

by NYC

Whether she has a boyfriend or not is IRRELEVANT... UNTIL you decide you are going to fuck her. Then you either need to bring him up and press her for the information where her relationship is lacking OR make her recall her boyfriend and how good he makes her feel and usurp the feelings for yourself.

If she injects the boyfriend into the conversation unsolicited, a simple diversion to whether or not she plans to marry him might be in order. I always use it if I decide NOT to bring him up and get her to talk about him favorably.

Another thing I like to use if she is DEFENSIVELY bringing up her boyfriend is "so where is he tonight?" If she doesn't have a good excuse like he is working late because he is a stock trader, I play her into a "he's cheating on you right now" mentality. Chicks can't stand that. PLUS they have to carry this with them from now on. I break down their BELIEF in what their boyfriend TELLS THEM he has to do.

Whether they believe me or not is irrelevant because they don't know me. All they do know is that they now have an alternative version of what their man is doing tonight and every night that he is not with her. After that sinks in, I talk about wasting time and wasting your life and passing up opportunities to do what you REALLY WANT TO DO just because of some bullshit you told someone one day, like "I am only going to fuck you" when they are out doing whatever they want. Then I bring up chicks that got cheated on and how stupid they felt when they were telling me about how they got played:)

You can see how it just strings along and breaks their BELIEF in their man. adding the effects of alcohol, you often get a flirtatious effect from the chick deciding to "get him back for cheating" when he was at work the whole time:)

Use ex-boyfriends: the chick had a BF, but wasn't satisfied with him. I took her back through a meta-state tour of her ex-boyfriends. The guys that really turned her on I brought her back to frquently. Basically, her boyfriend paled in comparison, and she remembered how HORNY she used to feel with guys and she just doesn't get that with him anymore. Suddenly, she wants a little kino... shoulder massages, back rubs, holding her from behind and kissing her neck...

Basically, if she claims a BF and that doesn't make you want to bail immediately... make her remember past boyfriends... make her remember that she broke up with them... make her remember that they were better lovers than her current BF... make her long for guys that she CAN'T POSSIBLY GET HER HANDS ON but she remembers being in their arms and how much she wanted to please them and how much she wanted them to touch and please her. Once she realizes that boyfriends are a passing thing, she will NOT want to waste the opportunity to get a blessed release from all the sexual feelings you have just aroused in her... and YOU'RE IT!:)

Boyfriend Destroyer patterns

Pattern 1.

Ross Jeffries:

"You're sort of seeing someone? As you're only sort of seeing that image of him in your mind, notice what happens as that image gets smaller and darker only as fast as an image of you and me being together having lots of fun gets big and brighter right there in its place.

Now as you look at that picture right there, doesn't it seem like something you really want. Oh yea, in fact, doesn't it seem like something that's already happened and there's no point resisting it cause it's too late to do anything but smile that smile of deep satisfaction and know this is going to be incredible. Oh yea, great, so when can I pick you up?"

Pattern 2.

Ross Jeffries:

"Well, look I really enjoyed this, and I'd like to talk to you again sometime? Can I call you? You have a boyfriend?

Well, I have to admit I'm disappointed, I have to respect that you're in a relationship. But let me ask you a something. How surprised would you be to find yourself actually looking forward to spending a little time with me? I mean, maybe to the point where you could imagine us over coffee, laughing and having the best of time, and you starting to feel really comfortable with it? As you think about it like that, doesn't seem natural to meet like Monday or Tuesday for coffee?

Pattern 3.

What a never-ending monologue:) But if she's a listener, you'll do fine:) Ross Jeffries:

(This one would require that you already talked about sub-modalities beforehand) Oh you have a boyfriend, I understand, and you know, I have respect for that, I do have to appreciate it cause its rare to find someone who you can be with and that's a cool thing.

But I also know that you can be in a relationship one minute and the next minute, you don't know what has happened. I'm sure you have experienced that, haven't you? Yea, so well lets take this guy for a minute, lets imagine this guy (point to the palm of your hand), lets say you're going out with him and then you break up with him. Have you ever broken up with someone?

And then you suddenly start to look back on the relationship and notice the things he does that you can't stand. Like maybe he leaves the cap off the toothpaste, or he ignores you or does any of those other things that generate all those feelings of being let down, bored or disgusted or all those things that represent that in him and you get to the point where you just can't stand it anymore. You got to break up with him. Did that ever happen?

Oh yea! Maybe you even look back on the relationship and you become obsessed with the things you hate about him. Till you get to the point where you think to yourself, god, what did I ever see in him. Has that ever happened to you?

You know, the whole thing is, that entire process can take months and months, but I'm wondering what would it be like if that entire process were to take place instantaneously in your mind. It would be like if you try to (wave your hands in her face) see his image in your mind, you couldn't do it. It would be like something unknown was simply breaking it into pieces, you know. Its like you couldn't see his image in your mind anymore and that's the first sign that will let you know that you're already starting to find him a lot less important (cover the palm of your hand).

Now that's a sad thing when you put someone behind you, but its also a happy thing. Cause when that happens you open yourself up to someone new (sp). You allow someone new to come inside . . your sphere of influence and penetrate your thinking. Now that's a great thing to make that connection and only feel good right now.

(transitioning to Incredible Connection) You know, when you connect with someone its like there's a cord of light going from you to them. And as that just starts to glow with the warmth of that connection, and as the depth rich warmth of it just spreads to where you want it to go, its like you want to create an opening, an opening for pleasure an opening for connectiveness and desire. I mean, what's it like when you're with someone who oooohhhhh, you know, really knows how. Isn't that a great thing. Now you may be surprised to find that as I talk about that, you start to have certain images and I don't know what those might be and I won't ask you cause the content might be a little personal, but as those pictures get bigger and brighter oooohhhh you start to add in those sounds that make you feel perfect. You may begin to realize there's something you really want and you got to have it. I mean, have you ever woken up and really had to have something. What's it like when you want something so bad that you just feel filled with the desire in a way that just makes you feel perfect.

Sometimes when someone has upset you, its best to forget about them. You know when you think about that, when you forget about something or someone where does it go? Like someone you use to know a long time ago, or what about something you wanted to be when you were a child and it never came to fruition. Have you ever used Windows, 95 or 98 / a Macintosh computer? Do you know how you put something in the trash? Now try to remember something you wanted to be when you were a child... Was there something you wanted to have or something you wanted to be? (she might answer "a dancer" or "a model" or "an actress"). Ok, you could still become one some day, but point to where in your mind you see that idea right now. That's like the recycle bin in Windows / trach can on a Macintosh! (Or just imagine, if you were to put something in the trash in your mind, just where would that trash thing be located).

So just take all those thoughts about him, if fact, you may find that the image of him, for some unknown reason, powers itself, sneaks itself, down there and stays there. And any thoughts you might have of not listening to me and obeying everything I say, you may be surprised to find them going right down there as well. That's right. (Point to where her boyfriend's picture has moved) Seeing it from this perspective, I invite you to notice how you might feel - you were so wrong about this guy. Have you ever thought you loved someone and then you suddenly realise for some unknown reason you deeply love someone else (point) much much more. And when that's happening its a sad thing in a way, but also, its a good thing..."

Pattern 4.

This one is easy (equals good:), especially when compared to the hog above.

Kevin Kupal, mindlist:

"It's amazing how YOUR MINE works you know. I mean, people never really realize how to control their emotions, but it can so very easily done! Wanna bet? Hokay...

Well... remember a time when you were utterly humiliated... when you just wanted to bury your head in the ground and disappear... as if the whole world were laughing at you... do you feel that now? (wait)... okay...

Imagine that I can take that feeling, collect it all in my hand (wave in front of her chest, as if collecting waifs or whiffs of air), take it all out. and quash all of that bad feeling in my hand... concentrated in all its bad emotions in this very small space, and I take this away from you (take hand away). Makes you feel so much better now, does it not ?

Her: Yeah...

NOW, can't you see... it's easy to make people FEEL VERY GOOD. WITH ME, it's a natural thing to do. Can KEVIN (point to the hand with the bad feelings) do that?

Pattern 5.

Not really a destroyer, but will probably get her thinking about the status of her borefriend.

Jake Thomson, ASF:

"You have a boyfriend. Well I must stay I certainly disappointed, but I know how nice it is to have someone <sp> who can fulfill your every desire, exactly the way you need it fulfilled, who can communicate with you at the deepest core of your being, exactly the way you need to be communicated with. And since it's obvious that's the case here, might I inquire when is the wedding? I mean, since he's meeting EVERY DESIRE you have, exactly the way YOU NEED IT FULFILLED, you must be planning on marriage, right. That way you can spend the REST OF YOUR LIFE, just with him, forever and ever and ever. That's so sweet. [if she mumbles "um... no wedding yet", transition to a close]"

Pattern 6.

From an unknown source:

Her: Well, I'd like to go out with you but I'm seeing someone.

You: Right, I appreciate you being straight with me. Thank you. And as much as I wish it weren't the case, I gotta tell I also respect relationships.

You: But you know, it's interesting, you can be in relationship one minute, and the next minute, you don't know what's happening. I'm sure you've experienced that, HAVEN'T YOU?

Her: Yes I have.

You: Its like you're going along and you suddenly start to FEEL UNCERTAIN ABOUT WHERE THE WHOLE THING IS GOING?

Her: Yeah, sure.

You: What's the guys name your going out with?

Her: Bill.

You: Right, so you're going out with Bill (point to your right hand) and you're enjoying it and all...and then say for some reason you break up. You ever BREAK UP WITH SOMEONE (point to palm of right hand) and you go through that period of mulling it over and you NOTICE THE PATTERNS IN HIM THAT RUINED YOUR LAST RELATIONSHIP... OR MAYBE YOU START TO LOOK AT HIM IN A WAY THAT REALLY MAKES HIM A LOT LESS ATTRACTIVE IN YOUR MIND?

You: I mean it's so weird how the mind does all this stuff, but what I'm curious about is what would it be like for a person if that entire process were to TAKE PLACE INSTANTANEOUSLY (snap your fingers in her face) in someone's mind? It'd be like (wave hand in her face) you couldn't see his picture any more in your mind. Every time you tried it'd be like something was just WIPING IT RIGHT OUT. And that's how you'd know that you've already started to FORGET ALL ABOUT HIM, to MAKE HIM MUSCH LESS IMPORTANT.

You: Or you know, is there someone you used to date, but now they're way out of your mind... you haven't even thought about them in a long time? Yeah? Well as you remember him, point to where you see his picture?

You: Right there? Isn't that interesting? So if you were to, FORGET ABOUT THIS GUY (hold your palm to where she pointed) it'd be like he GETS STUCK IN THE SAME PLACE. Now imagine Bill in the place you see the other guy. I think that, from this perspective, you REALLY CAN SEE SOMETHING IN HIM YOU DON'T LIKE... something that over time, would really cause you TO DUMP HIM.

You: And when that happens it's a little sad, but its also a good thing, because it allows you to CREATE AN OPENING FOR SOMEONE NEW. ME, I know that's how it CAN GO DOWN ON ME (point to your groin).

Fun and games

The kissing bet. An old trick, you can also use it with or without the GM technique. ASF: "Tell the girl that you will bet her a dollar (or a drink is nice) that you can kiss her without using your lips or your tongue. Girls usually think (know) that your up to something, so sometimes it takes a little convincing to get them to take the bet. They will take it about 1/3 of the time. If the girl is a good friend and she doesn't take the bet, say "Ok. Fine...Just check out this trick I learned...you can use it to make money off people," then play it off like your doing her a favour by showing her this (Trust me you are). Then if she accepts the bet or you offer to show her "the trick" do this: Say: "Ready...Watch this!" Then move in like you are going to kiss her on the lips. Ok this is fucking important. When you reach the point of no return you absolutely MUST lay the smoothest and I mean the smoothest smack on her she has ever experienced. Then say "God Damn you're a good kisser!...I guess I owe you a buck!" If your kiss is smooth enough this will most definitely lead to more kissing and maybe even a child if your a real asshole. (If you need a good line here say "I don't think that kiss was worth more than 50 cents, you owe me another")."

Osama - the king. A Japanese version of truth or dare. Everyone shows their hand with the amount of extended fingers forming a number from one to five. The numbers are added up and the resulting numbers are counted clock-wise from the last "king" (or from the one the added up the numbers if the game has just begun). The one who ends up with the final number will be the next "king" and can "truth or dare" any other two players to do anything:)

A-hole + truth or dare.
ASF: "Remember how easy it was to kiss girls playing truth or dare in high school? Well, guess what... it still works with college age women... Except now you're fucking! My wingman and I use this everytime we bring girls back to my house. We always end up banging our chicks of choice, but the best part is you get to do freaky shit with both of them! Not to mention that the lesbian action (unavoidable when playing with me!) is a great way to psyche yourself up for some serious sex.

We make a plan about what and who we are gonna do before we start and prep each other with good dares and truths. DO NOT play this without whip cream... this is the most important accessory you will need. You will be amazed when you see how turned on a girl can get just by liking whipped cream off her stomach. Start off with little stuff like kisses and then move up to licking whipped cream off nipples, dryfucking, lapdances, and the closer... Dare your wing to go in a room with one of the chicks for 5 minutes and see what happens. At this time grab the other girl and wear out your carpet. At this point the girls will be so turned on from the licking and kissing that you can basically do whatever you want with them. When you're alone in the room you can be like, "I dare you to let me come in your mouth" etc.

Sounds great so far right? But your worried about how to get the game started. You cant just say, "Ok, time for truth or dare". To the girls it sounds more like, "Ok, time for us to use you for our sexual entertainment." You have to sneak them into it. My recipe goes like this: start off with the greatest drinking game of all time, Asshole, to get them nice and liquored up. Then move on to the game I'm about to describe.

Throw out any cards below an 8. Take the rest and spread them in a circle around the biggest cup you can find. Now you take turns drawing cards.

8 = Band Names. Go around the table saying band names. Each name has to start with the last letter of the previous name. For instance, I say Vanilla Ice, the next person says Eric Clapton, next person says Nine Inch Nails. If you cant think of one in ten seconds then you drink and the next person draws a card.

9 = Truth. You can ask whoever you want.

10 = Person to the left drinks for 5 sec.

Jack = Dare. Whoever you want.

Queen = Everyone drinks for 5 count.

King = Fill up the huge cup with 1/3 of the way full with whatever you are drinking. The person who draws the last king has to pound whatever nasty mixture ends up in the cup. After a few rounds you will start running out of band names since you can't say the same one twice. Wait till one of the girls cant remember a band name then say, "Lets just play truth or dare". They will happily agree if your dares and truths were exciting and getting them horny.

My wing and I played this thursday night with 3 girls and 4 guys. At the beginning of the night the girls actually asked me if they could stay over so they didn't have to drive home drunk! After much a serious truth or dare session with tons of sexual acts, I dared my wing to go in a room for 5 min with one of the chicks and see what happens. They never came out. It was getting late and I had to work the next morning. I tossed the other two girls some blankets and said, "You two can sleep in my bed if you want, but dont be thinking we're gonna hook up and shit cause I really gotta get some sleep." 10 minutes later one of the girls cruises into my room, jumps in bed with me and starts kissing me. She was about an 8 but it was 3:30 so I told her I had to sleep and to leave her number and we would continue this the next night. In the meantime my brother has gotten the 3rd chick into his room and my other friend is spanking hank in my bathroom.

I've never played this game before without all the girls willing to bang at the end, whether they have boyfriends or not. I got the idea a year ago when I was asking a girl if she had ever had a lesbian experience. She told me that the only time she ever did was in a crazy game of truth or dare when she got dared to eat some girl out for 5 min. Neither of these girls were bi before it happened. This just goes to show that the possibilities are endless!!!"

Play a game of Crash and Burn

A little idiocy is great for confidence. The game: Crash and Burn. The object of this game is to crash and burn. Hit women with the worst lines, the most outrageous innuendoes, lame pickups, and so forth. Go down in flames repeatedly. Have fun doing this. Make this your goal. Okay, now you've been shot down in the most horrendous of ways. Fun, wasn't it? And you are still alive! And a whole lot more desensitised. Yes, this does work. I had six women laughing for an hour this way at a party. It's based on the Juggling school of management. In brief: they teach you to juggle in order to be a better manager. The first thing that they have you do is drop the balls. You spend five or ten minutes practising this. The lesson is that you can't be afraid of dropping the balls. Screwing up isn't' failure, it's just screwing up.

Things to do for fun

Use the buddy system. Walk through a group of girls and have someone watch to see who's checking you out.

Carry some bubble mix for elevator rides. When you're alone, fill the car with bubbles. Only a zombie would get on without saying anything.

Wear a sweatshirt emblazoned with a foreign phrase. Somebody is bound to ask you to translate (have something prepared though:).

Miscellaneous suggestions and observations about seduction

Misc I

Women love men just as much as we love women. Women love sex just as much as we do. Women are gonna get it somewhere, may as well be you.

Women need romance. The way to a woman's panties is through her mind, heart, and soul.

No matter how hard the shell, they all have a soft centre.

Get to know everything you can about women. Study this subject.

You can never build too much rapport. Good rapport is the foundation of the relationship.

Be playful. Be confident. Be in charge.

The more you make her laugh, the closer you are to where you want to be. Take every opportunity to make her laugh.

Never ask her for anything, instead suggestively entice and let her give to you. If there is to be an exception, then simply tell her what will be.

When she is being difficult, challenge her.

Never give her anything, instead reward her. If she will not give you anything, give her a reason to, or challenge her to, or dare her to.

Maintain a high self esteem at all costs. This may mean cutting your losses at times.

Make yourself more attractive. Work out regularly. Wear better clothes. Watch the guys who get the girls and wear what they wear. It's not that fucking hard to do and it goes a long fucking ways. Women have a saying "You are what you wear."

Get to know poetry. It is the perfect medium for you to lubricate her, but in a romantic and metaphorical way. Best thing: she thinks you are a poetic, deep, and sensual man; not a pervert, even though you are being a total pervert, hehe:)

And… Always… Eye contact, Eye contact, Eye contact!

Misc II

Seduction is largely a matter of not making the same mistakes. Not making mistakes includes:

Not being supplicating

Not moving too fast or pushing her

Not walking past obviously perfect opportunities

Not avoiding a woman just because you might think that she is not the ideal woman

Not giving up on her if a voice in your head tries to tell you there is some reason to drop it

Not giving a shit about rejection.

More mistakes to avoid. Vincent Runza, ASF:

Timid, unsure behavior in front of girls.

Offering to 'get her something' - a drink, food, chair, etc. is called supplication - DON'T DO IT!

Acting like she is more special than you are - she isn't, BTW.

Asking her a question and not listening to the answer.

Counting yourself out with a girl before you've even met.

Assuming she's not the type to take you somewhere right now and fuck your brains out - even the best of us occasionally make that mistake.

Mr Happy, ASF: "This is one of the BASICS: Once you demonstrate to a woman that she can manipulate you, she loses all sexual attraction for you and designates you as a pawn."

Misc III

To have sex with a girl you must..

appear confident and in control. CONTROL / ATTRACTION.

be entertaining and spontaneous. REWARD.

be friendly and charming. REWARD.

not have the appearance of being broke. CONTROL / ATTRACTION.

wear nice clean clothes and smell ok. ATTRACTION.

not appear too eager. ATTRACTION.

CONTROL = Your state when you are not "rewarding" the girl. REWARD = Milk and cookies… ATTRACTION = I have something that you're looking for:)

Details of the above six characteristics:

Appearance of confidence and control comes from body language, facial expression and mannerisms... Try to make as many decisions as possible on your own, have the look like whatever progress that's happening with the girl is just the way you expected it to go, even appear to check out other girls occasionally... Do not look unusually happy just because the girl said something nice. Occasionally NEG HIT, if you see the intensity dropping off somewhat… NEG HIT as punishment and do so jokingly.

Spontaneity / Entertainment can be demonstrated with a good sense of humour and quick thinking... If you can make humorous responses even to the dull comments that girls make and then anchor all the favourable responses you are doing well. Whenever a girl seems to be laughing sincerely and not for the sake of politeness make sure to anchor that somehow… So as to keep the best times memorable... Do not do this constantly though. Do this in response to positive feed back from her conversation/body language/posture. Do not give away too much of this. This is like a reward.

To be friendly and charming show the girl glimpses of you being a "gentleman" do so only when she seems to have done/said something nice to you. She will be able to see that those kind of behaviours that you like to see from her lead her to your soft inner self. Girls like to change bad boys into nice guys. They like to think that they can change your behaviour. Its an ego trip for them and this is also a reward. This is a stronger one than 2.

e.g. Open the door for the girl for example if she rubbed your crotch in the night club...

Don't wear cheap trash. Do not hang with people that do.

As above.

To not appear too eager, you must not go physical prematurely and must not go to sexual audio prematurely. A girl will often mention sex directly and/or indirectly with speech and/or physical contact. Safest bet is to initiate the sexual part of the PU after such an indication and not before... Stick to the control/reward phase until such indication. Exceptions apply of course but rarely... Almost always you will be aware of the girls readiness to move into sexual directions. For the exceptions just start KINO with the neutral bodyzones moving into more sexual and your movement should proceed with regard to the girls feedback.

ASF: "And do not spend more than 10 minutes with any one girl if you have not been given any signal to get EL PHYSICAL:)"

Sales techniques applied to seduction. And vice versa. Jake Thomson, ASF:

"At one point in my life I worked in sales, and yes, I used the principles discussed in speed seduction to make sales. It works quite nicely as it's simply basic persuasion. This is the process for making ecological sales and/or seductions.

0. Get rapport.

1. Qualify your prospect. Are they good enough for your product? IOW, do they have the means and the ability to pay for it? Are they the decision maker? If yes, proceed. Else, eject and find another prospect.

2. Further qualify your prospect. Take the time to find out what their most desired emotional states are. Is your product good for them? Will it help to fill their wants/needs as the prospect perceives them? Also, you may want to learn what their least desired states are. IOW, what emotions will they do almost anything to avoid experiencing? Will your product/service help them avoid those least desired states? If yes to either of these conditions, proceed. Else, eject and find another prospect.

3. Learn your prospect's convince themselves to buy strategy.

4. Capture and lead your prospect's imagination.

5. Help them access those highly valued emotions they have and link those emotional states to owning/having your product/service. And/or help them link their least desired states to NOT owning/having your product/service. Do this in a way that fits the prospects convince themselves to buy strategy.

6. Accelerate/increase your prospect's emotional states until they compel action to buy.

7. Do a take away and make them prove that they can and will avoid buyers remorse.

8. Let them buy your product/service, deliver the goods, and collect your paycheck.

Keep in mind that in sales or seduction you want to strive for a win/win situation, i.e.. value given for value received for BOTH sides."

Mystey's rules, ASF:

RULE: Enthusiasm is contagious. Act enthused about something that happened to you and so will she.

RULE: Convey your day has been INCREDIBLE and then proceed to explain WHY. Like meeting her is completely secondary. NOTHING can wreck this day!

RULE: Connect with her using "I live my life one day at a time" attitudes.

RULE: Connect with her using "So many people are so judgemental about things. You seem really open and fun".

Jargon's rules, ASF:

The attitude:

· - Your time is valuable. Don't waste your time. Use it effectively.

· - Women want and enjoy sex

· - Go play. Get girls into bed. That is *IT*. That's the goal.

· - Everything is an opportunity.

· - There is no failure. You either learn or you succeed.

Meeting

· - It's up to you to approach. Don't wait longer that 3 seconds.

· - Approach often.

· - Learn how to hold a conversation. Engage your listeners. Listen well when others speak.

· - Avoid typical pick-up spots. Women are on guard.

· - Be conversational and friendly in your "approach." You don't want her to put up her defenses.

· - Any place is a good place.

· - Get her away from others, even if briefly

· - Don't be afraid to say "adios" at any point.

General Conversation

· - Learn the art of conversation

· - Complement her choices and skills, not her. (Clothes, hair style, projects, etc.)

· - Speak of your hopes and ambitions. Show that you are going somewhere in your life.

· - Invoke memories in her that bring up positive, in-love, open emotions.

· - Catch her imagination

· - Use kino, communication by touch.

· - Listen to her. Ask her question.

· - Echo her values.

Closing

· - Don't linger too long. AFC's linger. Your time is valuable.

· - Challenge her for her number, don't ask. Lead. Do not supplication. It will be her idea to give you her number if you do everything right.

· - Listen to her. She will give you opportunities. It's up to you to spot and identify those opportunities. That's not always easy.

Ned Ragdnuos, ASF: "You "gain points" by changing her state of mind, making her feel curious, happy, mersmerized by you, feeling that you understand her better than anyone else in the world, feeling that she's known you forever, feeling like she can remember already having gone out with you and had a great time, and looking back on this moment in time as having been the start of it all. It's just language, you can be as playful as you want.

If she tells you that she thinks you are trying to pick her up, you make no apologies, and agree with her, saying that you do want to fuck her... but you'd rather prefer to get to know her first.

DrLove, Mindlist: "For most women, they have experienced pain in a relationship before and they often want some sort of re-assurance that they won't have to re-experience this. This is a little difficult and every situation requires a different approach. Here are a few guiding principles that come to mind:

1) Have in your own mind the belief that what you have to offer her is truely beneficial to both of you. You mustn't have any hidden reservations or doubts about the benevolence of your intentions.

2) BE HONEST! I know this runs contrary to what some "successful" seducers may tell you but long term it does result in the best out come for all concerned. Even if you are seeing other women, she'll appreciate you more if you're open and upfront about it. Honesty will show in your congruency (see also Managing many relationships at once).

3) Be original and creative. Never let her know what to expect from you. This will set you apart from all the jerks and AFCs she's met before. It will also keep her on her toes. One of our mindlist sisters gave the brilliant metaphor of peeling away layers of an onion (in discovering what a man is like) - use her advice! (see also Have and reveal secrets).

4) Be willing to show your true emotions. When you feel angry, say so! This will re-inforce her trust in you.

5) Do whatever you can to make her feel good. I know this sounds obvious, but the manner in which you do it is important: don't supplicate and don't try to buy your way into her pants, surprise her with your words, with poetry, with visualisation exercises.

6) Make sure her neuro-associations with you are positive. This means DO NOT ACT AS HER COUNSELLOR, THERAPIST OR BUDDY! Remember the rule: When you discuss a woman's problem with her, you become her problem.

Johnny Shack : "What are your greatest attributes? You need to make them ****SHINE**** like diamonds. Your weakpoints will need to be brought to a reasonable standard so they won't be an achilles' heel. If you own a great car don't be afraid to show it. Just don't make it obvious. If your car is a bomb then make sure you don't present it as one. If you have great legs then show them. If you don't there is no need to be wearing shorts in the middle of winter even if the sun is out. Do the best with what you have!"