Suggestions for Pariticipation in

The Great Conversation Yahoo! Group (Group I)

by Alan Nicoll, Group Owner
December 21, 2004

 

There’s nothing hard and fast here; I want your experience of the Great Books to be whatever you want to make of it.

 

Reading

Read the selection all the way through, and make notes as you go along.  If you don’t make notes, it’s very hard later to find things to say about it beyond “I loved it” or “I hated it.”

 

When your enthusiasm flags, as it is certain to occasionally, take a break from the text and come back to it later.  Try not to be defeated by any of the reading selections.  Otherwise, you will feel left out of the discussion, and you might even miss something that would be important to you.  But start and stop as you please.  I find it better to put a dull book aside and pick it up again later than to keep trying to read while falling asleep.

 

As far as I’m concerned, you can skim or skip the dullest parts!  I’m currently reading Herodotus, which as a lot of silly things in it.  I skipped the page where he describes the seven rivers of Scythia, in book III.  I wouldn’t inflict that on anyone, nor the “Cetology” chapter of Moby Dick.

 

Read ahead of the group if you please.  Most of us have read some of these texts before, and I think none of us have read all of them.

 

Study Questions

Study questions are a difficulty.  The ones I’ve found on the Internet seem to me pretty awful—dull and “schoolish.”  I don’t think we need to write summaries of these texts, nor to “identify the main themes,” nor to inquire into symbolism or characters’ motivations.  I cannot be passionate about most such questions, and unlike school, I don’t want us to answer questions for the sake of answering questions.  We don’t need to demonstrate that we’ve read the text; that is taken for granted and indeed is practically the sole purpose of this group.  There are no grades here, there is only readers talking to each other.  If you haven’t read the text, you won’t have much to say and you won’t understand what’s said.

 

I want us to come up with our own questions—not study questions, but personal concerns.  Not school questions, but questions you would actually want to think about and answer.

 

For example, in reading Plato’s Apology, our first assignment for January, the question I’m most concerned with is, is Socrates right about the unexamined life not being worth living?  What does this mean, and how do I feel about it?  Am I leading an examined life?  Did Socrates?  Does it make sense to recommend this kind of life to everyone?

 

These are questions I wish I could discuss with Socrates or Plato, and which I wish to discuss with the group.

 

Of course, the Apology has a lot more going on than just “the unexamined life”—questions of theology and state, of individual and state, of crime and punishment—but these questions, at least as presented in the Apology, don’t excite me as much as those I just gave.  Possibly they will excite other members, and through that excitement and discussion I may get into writing about these topics as well.  We don’t all have to address all topics raised, or all the Great Ideas discussed in every selection.  We can get out of this whatever we want as individuals, and the group will benefit from the reactions of many individuals.

 

Writing

What I want, and I hope you will want, is in essence to “take part in the Great Conversation.”  You could write a letter to the author of the text:  you won’t tell him the “main themes” of his book, nor what you’ve seen in his symbolism (unless you think he doesn’t know it).  You may ask more questions than provide answers—but provide your own answer, if you can, to any question you ask.

 

Please don’t post your comments on the current month’s reading until the 15th of the month.

 

Supplementary Sources

Jim said:

>I audited a number of class meetings at St. John's, and my impression is that their approach is good for the strongly self-directed student.  The activity of the class is based largely on the contributions of the students, and as a result (I've been told by alumni) the quality of a class can vary a lot depending on the group of students that happen to be in it.

 

Like St. John’s, I want to base our discussion on the contributed insights of the members, not on outside authorities.  I want to know what you think rather than what you found in a supplemental book.  Rather than consulting additional sources, I’d recommend reading the assigned text an extra time or two and comparing it with the other assignments in the ten-year reading plan.

 

Of course, some outside reading may be desirable or necessary.  If you’re reading the Iliad and want to look up Zeus or Achilles in a handbook or encyclopedia, that would be fine—otherwise, your understanding of the story may suffer.  By all means, use dictionaries, encyclopedias, and general nuts-and-bolts references on the Internet as seems appropriate to you.

 

Learning something about the conventions of Shakespeare’s stage can be helpful when reading his plays.  But to read a book about someone’s interpretation of the Iliad or Hamlet seems to me a mistake—though  I wouldn’t dream of prohibiting such outside reading.

 

I don’t know, I’m torn about this.  I want the discussion to be as interesting and productive as possible, and authoritative opinion certainly has value.  But I also don’t want to get too bogged down discussing critics that most members won’t have read.

 

Math and science may require a very different approach; I’ll leave that question open for now.

 


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