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   Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.10

   Welcome to the Smashing Pumpkins Frequently Asked Questions file! 
   Changes/updates from the previous release are marked by a '*'. 

   Please read this entire FAQ before posting on the newsgroup or Listessa.
   It contains an extremely large amount of information compiled over
   several years, and will save a lot of time covering basic info. :) 

   If you're new to the internet or simply haven't read them yet, *PLEASE*
   read the articles in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers".  They
   contain a LOT of helpful information about Netiquette, how newsgroups
   work, finding appropriate places to post, how to create meaningful
   messages, where to find tons of info, and much more.  -Every- net user
   should read and be familiar with these. 

   NOTE: The original Smashing Pumpkins FAQ was operated by Eric Agnew, who
   became unavailable online in April of 1997.  Now, in November of 1998,  I
   have updated the FAQ (with the written consent of Eric) due to the great
   deal of info available from the release of 'Adore'.  I would like to make
   clear at this time that I did not do the majority of the work here.  I
   simply added new info.

                        -= Table of Contents =- 

   0. Legal Disclaimer 

   1. General 
      1.1  Who are these Smashing Pumpkins? 
      1.2  General newsgroup/list info 
      1.3  Getting on and off Listessa 
      1.4  General netiquette 
      1.4a Flamewars and crossposting 
      1.5  Appropriate Subject lines 
      1.6  Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions 
      1.6a "Single" - radio vs CDS/7" etc. 
      1.7  "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness 
      1.8  Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere* 
      1.9  Validity of information 

   2. Songs/Albums 
      2.1  Short discography* 
      2.2  Finding lyrics* 
      2.3  Guitar/bass tablature* 
      2.3b Piano score* 
      2.4  Cover songs 
      2.5  Unreleased songs* 
      2.6  Where to find given songs 
      2.7  Short guide to radio songs* 
      2.8  Songs sung by other members* 
      2.9  "Secret" messages/sounds 
      2.10  Song/album meanings 
      2.11  Vieuphoria's extra/unreleased songs 
      2.12  Differences between releases* 
      2.12a Gish - original/remastered 
      2.12b Siamese Dream - clean/explicit version, import 
      2.12c Mellon Collie 3LP*
      2.12d Adore - Japanese version*
      2.12e Earphoria - promo/bootleg 
      2.12f Import/domestic singles* 
      2.12g Vinyl - variant B-sides 
      2.13  Common/recurring lyrics 
      2.14  Photos/Cover art* 

   3. Band Info 
      3.1  Origin of name 
      3.2  First appearance* 
      3.3  Short Bios 
      3.4  Recording sessions* 
      3.5  Equipment 
      3.5a Special effects 
      3.5b EBow 
      3.6  Personal info for the prying fan 
      3.7  Sun Times' tiff 
      3.8  Silly rumors (Small Wonder, Sea Monkeys, etc.) 
      3.9  SP Fan Club 
      3.10 Contacting the band 

   4. Merchandise 
      4.1  Pricing/finding rarities 
      4.2  Books 
      4.3  T-Shirts 
      4.4  Videos 
      4.5  "Bootlegs" 
      4.6  Trading 
      4.7  Tape Trees
 
   5. News/Info/Net Resources 
      5.1  Brief history/landmark events* 
      5.2  Double Door info 
      5.3  The keyboard/drummer events* 
      5.4  Tour info* 
      5.5  IRC info 
      5.6  Web links for cool stuff* 
      5.7  Other recommended sources 

   6. Miscellaneous/Semi-Related 
      6.1  Starchildren 
      6.2  Catherine 
      6.3  The Frogs 
      6.4  Scratchie Records 
      6.5  Cabal (...) / Junta (...) 

   7. Conclusion 
      7.1  Acknowledgments 
      7.2  Disclaimer 
     
     

0. -Legal Disclaimer- 

     The Smashing Pumpkins FAQ is copyright (c) 1995-97 by Eric Agnew.  It 
     is freely distributable online through Usenet, email, and ftp.  It may
     not be used for commercial purposes, nor may any charge be imposed for
     its distribution.  Mass distribution or otherwise non-personal use
     prohibited without consent.  If you wish to use part of this in an
     article or publication, please CONTACT me first, or at least include my
     name as a reference for where you found the info - it does take work to
     compile and maintain this information, and I'd like to be credited as
     such if you decide to use it. :)  Offers for translations are
     welcome.  Links to the main URL are welcome, but I'd prefer that
     copies not be kept on other sites (save for the automatic storage by
     RTFM and similar FAQ-oriented sites, and the 4 main SP sites,
     mentioned below), so that the most current version is always the one
     available.  Overall, though, give credit where it's due.  

 
1. -General- 

   1.1  Who are these Smashing Pumpkins? 

     The Smashing Pumpkins are perhaps one of the most successful
     "alternative" bands of today.  Chances are, if you've ever watched MTV or
     listened to the radio more than once or twice, you've either seen one of
     their videos or heard one of their songs. 

     The band consists of Billy Corgan on lead vocals & guitar, James Iha on
     guitar, and D'Arcy on bass. Their recent touring drummer, formerly of
     John Mellencamp fame, who joined them during the spring of 1998.  When
     their former drummer, Jimmy Chamberlin, was- to put it nicely- released
     from the band to go into rehab, the Pumpkins hired drummer Matt Walker
     from Filter for the remainder of the Mellon Collie Tour.  See 5.3 for
     more on that whole deal. 

     The Pumpkins have won many awards, gone on several major tours, appeared
     on several movie soundtracks, and released a rather large number of songs
     in a fairly short time.  Keep on reading for tons of info!  

   1.2  General newsgroup/list info 

     The Smashing Pumpkins newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins, and the
     mailing list, Listessa, are primarily places to discuss the Smashing
     Pumpkins.  However, not every post/message will be.  Topics range from
     lyrical discussions to new song info, personal SP stories, and even more
     general social interaction.  Try to stay as much on-topic as possible,
     and if a thread develops that you aren't interested in, ignore it- it
     will die out eventually.  Complaining about certain threads usually just
     makes matters worse by prolonging them and generating meta-threads.  

   1.3  Getting on and off Listessa 

     First, make sure the list is operational. You can do this by checking the
     Official Listessa Web Site at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ and
     checking to see if there's a smiley face or a sad face.  Click on the
     face for more info and special instructions. 

     To subscribe to Listessa, send a message to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca with
     the following message body: 

                subscribe smashing-pumpkins (your name) 

     Insert your name (omit parentheses) and disregard the subject line.  If
     all goes well, you will soon get a welcome message, which will include
     the Listessa FAQ, also available at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/
     READ THIS!  It contains the rules & guidelines of the list, as well as
     other special instructions. 

     To post a message to the list, simply reply to any of its messages, or
     start a new message addressed to: smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca
     Please quote only what is necessary, not entire digests. :) 

     Here's how to unsubscribe, straight from the Listessa FAQ: 
     -=-=- 
     To unsubscribe from the SP mailing list, send a letter to 
     listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca (-=NOT=- smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca )
     with the following, and -=ONLY=- the following, in the body of the
     letter: 

                           unsub smashing-pumpkins 

     Do -=NOT=- include your e-mail address, a signature file, the name of 
     your pet hamster, or any other information in the letter. 

     Please note: after you unsubscribe, you will receive a letter saying 
     'Thanks for being with us.' You may still receive a few letters from the
     list after this. Do not be alarmed, this is normal. If, a day later, you
     are still getting letters, and you are sure you have followed the
     instructions correctly, feel free to write Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca for
     help. I log in one or two times a day to maintain the list.
     -=-=- 

     Do NOT post a message to the list asking how to get off, or to be taken
     off.  It's very annoying, and will not work. 

     For more info, check the listessa web site or send a message with the
     body "help" to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca 

   1.4  General netiquette 

     First off, read news.announce.newusers, taking special note at the posts
     dealing with Usenet and Netiquette.  If you have general questions after
     reading these, check in news.newusers.questions. 

     Rules that apply everywhere: Do not post "Make Money Fast" or any of its
     variants.  Yes, it really is illegal (even though some copies say it's
     not, and even give a legal code to refer to), and it's just plain
     annoying.  Also, do not post advertisements unless they're clearly
     on-topic and posted ONCE.  See "Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How
     Not To Do It" in, once again, news.announce.newusers 

     Overall, keep in mind that many people read and post, and that people
     have different opinions.  Don't start yelling at someone simply because
     they don't agree with you or have the same tastes & opinions. 

     Avoid bashing new fans.  Unless you've been attached to Billy's hip since
     birth, there's someone out there that's known about them longer than you
     have, too.  Everyone has to start somewhere.  A nice, polite reference to
     the FAQ and appropriate web sites would suffice. :) 

     Also, please READ the messages before writing.  If there's been a recent
     announcement, someone's probably already posted it.  Check the thread to
     see how many replies there are before simply putting up another copy of
     the same info- it'll save your time as well as ensuring that others won't
     have to read it more than once.  Threaded newsreaders are definitely a
     plus here. :) 

   1.4a Flamewars and crossposting 

     On Usenet, be sure to check the "Newsgroups:" line if something seems
     unusually strange or off-topic.  Things like "What is the best
     alternative band of the 90s?" (usually in caps) are giveaways, and are
     simply posted to every newsgroup to start people arguing.  Many people
     demand to know why a post about another band is in "their" newsgroup
     without realizing that it's in the other as well.  If you reply to a
     cross-post, remove the other newsgroups from the "Newsgroups:" line, so
     that it doesn't go to every other group. 

     Flamewars erupt often, and there's little that can be done about it.  The
     best thing you can possibly do is ignore it.  Some people just say
     something extremely rude and then leave immediately, so they won't even
     see your reply.  Others will just TRY to get you pissed off at them and
     generate angry replies.  If you must reply, do it over email.  If it
     continues to bother you and won't go away, killfile that thread, or just
     don't read it.  Just don't feed the fire. 

     Likewise, don't start flames, as they're obviously not on-topic.  Sure,
     you can yell "BUSH SUCKS!" and get a lot of people to agree with you, but
     some people won't.  Besides that, it's not alt.music.smash-pumpkins, not
     alt.flame.bush (or Manson, or Spice Girls, or Hanson, etc.).  If someone
     casually mentions liking a band that you don't, explain why if you must,
     but don't simply yell "They fucking suck!" and leave it at that.  Such
     pointless arguments go nowhere.  

   1.5  Appropriate Subject lines 

     Use appropriate subject lines whenever starting a new thread.  It's much
     easier to decide whether you want to read "Wanted: Siamese Singles box
     set" than "Re: Smashing Pumpkins Digest #342".  Be specific. 

     Also, the use of certain indicators can be quite helpful.  Josh Sherman
     suggested the use of "Tan:" to precede any subject that doesn't directly
     deal with SP (a tangent thread), so those who don't wish to read such
     messages can easily identify and skip over them.  Other helpful headers
     are as follows: 

     FS:  For Sale (for Listessa, use the marketplace- details in the List
          FAQ) 
     Lyr: New lyrics 
     Req: Request for info, tab, lyrics, etc. (please check the FAQ and web 
          sites first, as there is a LOT already out there that's just waiting
          to be found and looked up- it's not hard to find) 
     Tab: Tablature 
     Q:   Question 
     WTB: Wanted To Buy (indicates that you want something) 

     Other pre-subject headers can be helpful, such as "Announcement:" or "New
     Site:".  Just be specific in indicating what the message is about.  Do
     NOT use misleading subject lines just to get people to read your post,
     though- messages with subjects like "Free surprise concert at Metro this
     weekend!" or "Billy dies in car accident" that start out with "Now that I
     got you to read this..." usually don't get read much further and usually
     just tend to piss people off.  

   1.6  Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions 

     Common SP-related/song acronyms: 
     ------------------------ 
     AA    - Ava Adore (Adore song/single)
     amsp  - alt.music.smash-pumpkins, the newsgroup 
     BC    - Billy Corgan 
     BwBW  - Bullet with Butterfly Wings (MCIS song/single) 
     CR    - Cherub Rock (SD song/single) 
     DD    - Double Door, a bar in Chicago (see 5.2) 
     ITAOS - In the Arms of Sleep (MCIS song) 
     MCIS  - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (latest studio 2CD/3LP) 
     ng    - newsgroup 
     PI    - Pisces Iscariot (B-sides compilation from 10/94) 
     PM    - Pastichio Medley (23-minute conglomeration of 70 song snippets, 
             found on Zero EP) 
     SD    - Siamese Dream (2nd studio album, breakthrough release) 
     SP    - Smashing Pumpkins (need I say more?) 
     STRTJ    - Set the Ray to Jerry (1979 B-side) 
     TAFH     - The Aeroplane Flies High (latest box set of MCIS CD singles) 
     TEITBITE - The End is the Beginning is the End (song from Batman and 
                Robin soundtrack) 
     TBITEITB - The Beginning is the End is the Beginning (its counterpart) 
     TOASE    - Tales of a Scorched Earth (MCIS song) 
     TT       - Tonight, Tonight (MCIS song, single) 
     TTEOR    - Thru the Eyes of Ruby (MCIS song) 
     WBFTT    - Where Boys Fear to Tread (MCIS song) 
     XYU      - not an acronym, as many ask about, but a homonym for "Ex, why 
                you?"  Answered by the man himself. 
     YAIGT    - You're All I've Got Tonight (Cars cover in TAFH box set) 

     Other common general acronyms: 
     ------------------------------ 
     AFAIK - As Far As I Know 
     aka   - Also Known As 
     CD    - Compact Disc 
     CDS   - CD single (i.e. BwBW) 
     FS    - For Sale (helpful in subject line) 
     FT    - For Trade (helpful in subject line) 
     FWIW  - For What It's Worth 
     HTH   - Hope This Helps (usually said sarcastically) 
     IMHO  - In My (Humble|Honest) Opinion 
     LOL   - Laughing Out Loud 
     NP:   - Now Playing (used at ends of messages to indicate what poster 
             was listening to at the time of posting) 
     ROFL  - Rolling On the Floor, Laughing (also ROFLMAO, adding "My Ass
             Off") 
     RTFM  - Read The Fine Manual (although 'Fine' is often replaced by
             another word of the user's choice) :) 
     UCE   - Unsolicited Commercial Email (aka email spam) 
     WTB   - Wanted To Buy (helpful in subject line) 
     WTT   - Wanted To Trade (helpful in subject line) 
     YHBT. HAND. - You Have Been Trolled(+). Have A Nice Day. 
                (+see below for definition) 

     Most other abbreviations are songs.  If it's not immediately
     recognizable, just think & you should be able to figure it out. 

     Common definitions: 
     ------------------- 
     :-)     - a smiley face (tilt your head to the left), used to denote
            humor and/or sarcasm (variants:  :P"   :(   >:(   ;)   etc.) 
     B-side  - a song found on a single that isn't the title track (i.e. "The 
            Last Song"). Named from the days of vinyl, when 45s had a popular
            song on one side (the A-side) and another, perhaps unreleased song
            on the other (the B-side).  Third songs on vinyl are thus referred
            to as C-sides 
     Bootleg - an unofficial recording, referring either to someone's personal 
            tape or DAT recording of a live show, or a bootleg company's CD
            pressing of such a recording, or of unreleased studio demos (see
            4.5) 
     EP      - stands for "Extended Play", as opposed to an LP (Long Play). 
            Generally shorter than a full release (LP), but usually longer
            than a single.  Example: Lull EP, Peel Sessions, Zero EP 
     Flame   - a message that harshly ridicules someone else or their opinion 
            through the use of personal attack rather than reason & logic.
            Usually feature lots of capital letters, exclamation marks,
            obscene and derogatory remarks, and misspelled words. :) 
     Killfile- a feature of good newsreaders (AOL and Netscape News not 
            included) that allows users to specify names, subject lines, or
            other patterns (even entire domains) which they don't want to
            read.  Upon reading news, these patterns are automatically
            "killed", and the reader never has to see those messages.  Useful
            for ignoring/avoiding heavy crossposts, lame threads, or messages
            from anyone you simply don't want to read from. :) 
      - the sound of someone being added to a killfile (i.e. if someone 
            plonks you, they've added you to their killfile, which means
            they'll never see another message from your email address again) 
     .sig    - short for signature, a small file automatically appended to the 
            end of all outgoing messages and/or posts.  Generally includes
            name, email address, URL, and/or a clever quote, etc.  Netique
Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.10
Copyright © Starla [http://www.starla.org/faq.html]. All rights reserved.
Revised: February 28, 1999.   

 

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Email: icecreamsnow@hotmail.com

   Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.10

   Welcome to the Smashing Pumpkins Frequently Asked Questions file! 
   Changes/updates from the previous release are marked by a '*'. 

   Please read this entire FAQ before posting on the newsgroup or Listessa.
   It contains an extremely large amount of information compiled over
   several years, and will save a lot of time covering basic info. :) 

   If you're new to the internet or simply haven't read them yet, *PLEASE*
   read the articles in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers".  They
   contain a LOT of helpful information about Netiquette, how newsgroups
   work, finding appropriate places to post, how to create meaningful
   messages, where to find tons of info, and much more.  -Every- net user
   should read and be familiar with these. 

   NOTE: The original Smashing Pumpkins FAQ was operated by Eric Agnew, who
   became unavailable online in April of 1997.  Now, in November of 1998,  I
   have updated the FAQ (with the written consent of Eric) due to the great
   deal of info available from the release of 'Adore'.  I would like to make
   clear at this time that I did not do the majority of the work here.  I
   simply added new info.

                        -= Table of Contents =- 

   0. Legal Disclaimer 

   1. General 
      1.1  Who are these Smashing Pumpkins? 
      1.2  General newsgroup/list info 
      1.3  Getting on and off Listessa 
      1.4  General netiquette 
      1.4a Flamewars and crossposting 
      1.5  Appropriate Subject lines 
      1.6  Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions 
      1.6a "Single" - radio vs CDS/7" etc. 
      1.7  "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness 
      1.8  Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere* 
      1.9  Validity of information 

   2. Songs/Albums 
      2.1  Short discography* 
      2.2  Finding lyrics* 
      2.3  Guitar/bass tablature* 
      2.3b Piano score* 
      2.4  Cover songs 
      2.5  Unreleased songs* 
      2.6  Where to find given songs 
      2.7  Short guide to radio songs* 
      2.8  Songs sung by other members* 
      2.9  "Secret" messages/sounds 
      2.10  Song/album meanings 
      2.11  Vieuphoria's extra/unreleased songs 
      2.12  Differences between releases* 
      2.12a Gish - original/remastered 
      2.12b Siamese Dream - clean/explicit version, import 
      2.12c Mellon Collie 3LP*
      2.12d Adore - Japanese version*
      2.12e Earphoria - promo/bootleg 
      2.12f Import/domestic singles* 
      2.12g Vinyl - variant B-sides 
      2.13  Common/recurring lyrics 
      2.14  Photos/Cover art* 

   3. Band Info 
      3.1  Origin of name 
      3.2  First appearance* 
      3.3  Short Bios 
      3.4  Recording sessions* 
      3.5  Equipment 
      3.5a Special effects 
      3.5b EBow 
      3.6  Personal info for the prying fan 
      3.7  Sun Times' tiff 
      3.8  Silly rumors (Small Wonder, Sea Monkeys, etc.) 
      3.9  SP Fan Club 
      3.10 Contacting the band 

   4. Merchandise 
      4.1  Pricing/finding rarities 
      4.2  Books 
      4.3  T-Shirts 
      4.4  Videos 
      4.5  "Bootlegs" 
      4.6  Trading 
      4.7  Tape Trees
 
   5. News/Info/Net Resources 
      5.1  Brief history/landmark events* 
      5.2  Double Door info 
      5.3  The keyboard/drummer events* 
      5.4  Tour info* 
      5.5  IRC info 
      5.6  Web links for cool stuff* 
      5.7  Other recommended sources 

   6. Miscellaneous/Semi-Related 
      6.1  Starchildren 
      6.2  Catherine 
      6.3  The Frogs 
      6.4  Scratchie Records 
      6.5  Cabal (...) / Junta (...) 

   7. Conclusion 
      7.1  Acknowledgments 
      7.2  Disclaimer 
     
     

0. -Legal Disclaimer- 

     The Smashing Pumpkins FAQ is copyright (c) 1995-97 by Eric Agnew.  It 
     is freely distributable online through Usenet, email, and ftp.  It may
     not be used for commercial purposes, nor may any charge be imposed for
     its distribution.  Mass distribution or otherwise non-personal use
     prohibited without consent.  If you wish to use part of this in an
     article or publication, please CONTACT me first, or at least include my
     name as a reference for where you found the info - it does take work to
     compile and maintain this information, and I'd like to be credited as
     such if you decide to use it. :)  Offers for translations are
     welcome.  Links to the main URL are welcome, but I'd prefer that
     copies not be kept on other sites (save for the automatic storage by
     RTFM and similar FAQ-oriented sites, and the 4 main SP sites,
     mentioned below), so that the most current version is always the one
     available.  Overall, though, give credit where it's due.  

 
1. -General- 

   1.1  Who are these Smashing Pumpkins? 

     The Smashing Pumpkins are perhaps one of the most successful
     "alternative" bands of today.  Chances are, if you've ever watched MTV or
     listened to the radio more than once or twice, you've either seen one of
     their videos or heard one of their songs. 

     The band consists of Billy Corgan on lead vocals & guitar, James Iha on
     guitar, and D'Arcy on bass. Their recent touring drummer, formerly of
     John Mellencamp fame, who joined them during the spring of 1998.  When
     their former drummer, Jimmy Chamberlin, was- to put it nicely- released
     from the band to go into rehab, the Pumpkins hired drummer Matt Walker
     from Filter for the remainder of the Mellon Collie Tour.  See 5.3 for
     more on that whole deal. 

     The Pumpkins have won many awards, gone on several major tours, appeared
     on several movie soundtracks, and released a rather large number of songs
     in a fairly short time.  Keep on reading for tons of info!  

   1.2  General newsgroup/list info 

     The Smashing Pumpkins newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins, and the
     mailing list, Listessa, are primarily places to discuss the Smashing
     Pumpkins.  However, not every post/message will be.  Topics range from
     lyrical discussions to new song info, personal SP stories, and even more
     general social interaction.  Try to stay as much on-topic as possible,
     and if a thread develops that you aren't interested in, ignore it- it
     will die out eventually.  Complaining about certain threads usually just
     makes matters worse by prolonging them and generating meta-threads.  

   1.3  Getting on and off Listessa 

     First, make sure the list is operational. You can do this by checking the
     Official Listessa Web Site at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ and
     checking to see if there's a smiley face or a sad face.  Click on the
     face for more info and special instructions. 

     To subscribe to Listessa, send a message to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca with
     the following message body: 

                subscribe smashing-pumpkins (your name) 

     Insert your name (omit parentheses) and disregard the subject line.  If
     all goes well, you will soon get a welcome message, which will include
     the Listessa FAQ, also available at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/
     READ THIS!  It contains the rules & guidelines of the list, as well as
     other special instructions. 

     To post a message to the list, simply reply to any of its messages, or
     start a new message addressed to: smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca
     Please quote only what is necessary, not entire digests. :) 

     Here's how to unsubscribe, straight from the Listessa FAQ: 
     -=-=- 
     To unsubscribe from the SP mailing list, send a letter to 
     listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca (-=NOT=- smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca )
     with the following, and -=ONLY=- the following, in the body of the
     letter: 

                           unsub smashing-pumpkins 

     Do -=NOT=- include your e-mail address, a signature file, the name of 
     your pet hamster, or any other information in the letter. 

     Please note: after you unsubscribe, you will receive a letter saying 
     'Thanks for being with us.' You may still receive a few letters from the
     list after this. Do not be alarmed, this is normal. If, a day later, you
     are still getting letters, and you are sure you have followed the
     instructions correctly, feel free to write Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca for
     help. I log in one or two times a day to maintain the list.
     -=-=- 

     Do NOT post a message to the list asking how to get off, or to be taken
     off.  It's very annoying, and will not work. 

     For more info, check the listessa web site or send a message with the
     body "help" to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca 

   1.4  General netiquette 

     First off, read news.announce.newusers, taking special note at the posts
     dealing with Usenet and Netiquette.  If you have general questions after
     reading these, check in news.newusers.questions. 

     Rules that apply everywhere: Do not post "Make Money Fast" or any of its
     variants.  Yes, it really is illegal (even though some copies say it's
     not, and even give a legal code to refer to), and it's just plain
     annoying.  Also, do not post advertisements unless they're clearly
     on-topic and posted ONCE.  See "Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How
     Not To Do It" in, once again, news.announce.newusers 

     Overall, keep in mind that many people read and post, and that people
     have different opinions.  Don't start yelling at someone simply because
     they don't agree with you or have the same tastes & opinions. 

     Avoid bashing new fans.  Unless you've been attached to Billy's hip since
     birth, there's someone out there that's known about them longer than you
     have, too.  Everyone has to start somewhere.  A nice, polite reference to
     the FAQ and appropriate web sites would suffice. :) 

     Also, please READ the messages before writing.  If there's been a recent
     announcement, someone's probably already posted it.  Check the thread to
     see how many replies there are before simply putting up another copy of
     the same info- it'll save your time as well as ensuring that others won't
     have to read it more than once.  Threaded newsreaders are definitely a
     plus here. :) 

   1.4a Flamewars and crossposting 

     On Usenet, be sure to check the "Newsgroups:" line if something seems
     unusually strange or off-topic.  Things like "What is the best
     alternative band of the 90s?" (usually in caps) are giveaways, and are
     simply posted to every newsgroup to start people arguing.  Many people
     demand to know why a post about another band is in "their" newsgroup
     without realizing that it's in the other as well.  If you reply to a
     cross-post, remove the other newsgroups from the "Newsgroups:" line, so
     that it doesn't go to every other group. 

     Flamewars erupt often, and there's little that can be done about it.  The
     best thing you can possibly do is ignore it.  Some people just say
     something extremely rude and then leave immediately, so they won't even
     see your reply.  Others will just TRY to get you pissed off at them and
     generate angry replies.  If you must reply, do it over email.  If it
     continues to bother you and won't go away, killfile that thread, or just
     don't read it.  Just don't feed the fire. 

     Likewise, don't start flames, as they're obviously not on-topic.  Sure,
     you can yell "BUSH SUCKS!" and get a lot of people to agree with you, but
     some people won't.  Besides that, it's not alt.music.smash-pumpkins, not
     alt.flame.bush (or Manson, or Spice Girls, or Hanson, etc.).  If someone
     casually mentions liking a band that you don't, explain why if you must,
     but don't simply yell "They fucking suck!" and leave it at that.  Such
     pointless arguments go nowhere.  

   1.5  Appropriate Subject lines 

     Use appropriate subject lines whenever starting a new thread.  It's much
     easier to decide whether you want to read "Wanted: Siamese Singles box
     set" than "Re: Smashing Pumpkins Digest #342".  Be specific. 

     Also, the use of certain indicators can be quite helpful.  Josh Sherman
     suggested the use of "Tan:" to precede any subject that doesn't directly
     deal with SP (a tangent thread), so those who don't wish to read such
     messages can easily identify and skip over them.  Other helpful headers
     are as follows: 

     FS:  For Sale (for Listessa, use the marketplace- details in the List
          FAQ) 
     Lyr: New lyrics 
     Req: Request for info, tab, lyrics, etc. (please check the FAQ and web 
          sites first, as there is a LOT already out there that's just waiting
          to be found and looked up- it's not hard to find) 
     Tab: Tablature 
     Q:   Question 
     WTB: Wanted To Buy (indicates that you want something) 

     Other pre-subject headers can be helpful, such as "Announcement:" or "New
     Site:".  Just be specific in indicating what the message is about.  Do
     NOT use misleading subject lines just to get people to read your post,
     though- messages with subjects like "Free surprise concert at Metro this
     weekend!" or "Billy dies in car accident" that start out with "Now that I
     got you to read this..." usually don't get read much further and usually
     just tend to piss people off.  

   1.6  Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions 

     Common SP-related/song acronyms: 
     ------------------------ 
     AA    - Ava Adore (Adore song/single)
     amsp  - alt.music.smash-pumpkins, the newsgroup 
     BC    - Billy Corgan 
     BwBW  - Bullet with Butterfly Wings (MCIS song/single) 
     CR    - Cherub Rock (SD song/single) 
     DD    - Double Door, a bar in Chicago (see 5.2) 
     ITAOS - In the Arms of Sleep (MCIS song) 
     MCIS  - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (latest studio 2CD/3LP) 
     ng    - newsgroup 
     PI    - Pisces Iscariot (B-sides compilation from 10/94) 
     PM    - Pastichio Medley (23-minute conglomeration of 70 song snippets, 
             found on Zero EP) 
     SD    - Siamese Dream (2nd studio album, breakthrough release) 
     SP    - Smashing Pumpkins (need I say more?) 
     STRTJ    - Set the Ray to Jerry (1979 B-side) 
     TAFH     - The Aeroplane Flies High (latest box set of MCIS CD singles) 
     TEITBITE - The End is the Beginning is the End (song from Batman and 
                Robin soundtrack) 
     TBITEITB - The Beginning is the End is the Beginning (its counterpart) 
     TOASE    - Tales of a Scorched Earth (MCIS song) 
     TT       - Tonight, Tonight (MCIS song, single) 
     TTEOR    - Thru the Eyes of Ruby (MCIS song) 
     WBFTT    - Where Boys Fear to Tread (MCIS song) 
     XYU      - not an acronym, as many ask about, but a homonym for "Ex, why 
                you?"  Answered by the man himself. 
     YAIGT    - You're All I've Got Tonight (Cars cover in TAFH box set) 

     Other common general acronyms: 
     ------------------------------ 
     AFAIK - As Far As I Know 
     aka   - Also Known As 
     CD    - Compact Disc 
     CDS   - CD single (i.e. BwBW) 
     FS    - For Sale (helpful in subject line) 
     FT    - For Trade (helpful in subject line) 
     FWIW  - For What It's Worth 
     HTH   - Hope This Helps (usually said sarcastically) 
     IMHO  - In My (Humble|Honest) Opinion 
     LOL   - Laughing Out Loud 
     NP:   - Now Playing (used at ends of messages to indicate what poster 
             was listening to at the time of posting) 
     ROFL  - Rolling On the Floor, Laughing (also ROFLMAO, adding "My Ass
             Off") 
     RTFM  - Read The Fine Manual (although 'Fine' is often replaced by
             another word of the user's choice) :) 
     UCE   - Unsolicited Commercial Email (aka email spam) 
     WTB   - Wanted To Buy (helpful in subject line) 
     WTT   - Wanted To Trade (helpful in subject line) 
     YHBT. HAND. - You Have Been Trolled(+). Have A Nice Day. 
                (+see below for definition) 

     Most other abbreviations are songs.  If it's not immediately
     recognizable, just think & you should be able to figure it out. 

     Common definitions: 
     ------------------- 
     :-)     - a smiley face (tilt your head to the left), used to denote
            humor and/or sarcasm (variants:  :P"   :(   >:(   ;)   etc.) 
     B-side  - a song found on a single that isn't the title track (i.e. "The 
            Last Song"). Named from the days of vinyl, when 45s had a popular
            song on one side (the A-side) and another, perhaps unreleased song
            on the other (the B-side).  Third songs on vinyl are thus referred
            to as C-sides 
     Bootleg - an unofficial recording, referring either to someone's personal 
            tape or DAT recording of a live show, or a bootleg company's CD
            pressing of such a recording, or of unreleased studio demos (see
            4.5) 
     EP      - stands for "Extended Play", as opposed to an LP (Long Play). 
            Generally shorter than a full release (LP), but usually longer
            than a single.  Example: Lull EP, Peel Sessions, Zero EP 
     Flame   - a message that harshly ridicules someone else or their opinion 
            through the use of personal attack rather than reason & logic.
            Usually feature lots of capital letters, exclamation marks,
            obscene and derogatory remarks, and misspelled words. :) 
     Killfile- a feature of good newsreaders (AOL and Netscape News not 
            included) that allows users to specify names, subject lines, or
            other patterns (even entire domains) which they don't want to
            read.  Upon reading news, these patterns are automatically
            "killed", and the reader never has to see those messages.  Useful
            for ignoring/avoiding heavy crossposts, lame threads, or messages
            from anyone you simply don't want to read from. :) 
      - the sound of someone being added to a killfile (i.e. if someone 
            plonks you, they've added you to their killfile, which means
            they'll never see another message from your email address again) 
     .sig    - short for signature, a small file automatically appended to the 
            end of all outgoing messages and/or posts.  Generally includes
            name, email address, URL, and/or a clever quote, etc.  Netiquette
            standards allow for 4 lines- anything longer is usually frowned
            upon, and large ASCII art is almost always complained about.  Keep
            in mind that it's something people are going to see every time you
            write, then keep it accordingly short and sweet. :) 
     Thread  - a group of messages with the same subject or subject line.
            Good newsreaders will group these together so they're read in
            order of replies. 
     Troll   - a post specifically designed to generate as many replies as 
            possible (usually in the form of a blatant flame, obviously
            incorrect information, or (missed) sarcasm).  Most likely named
            after a fishing technique 
     yelling - using all capital letters (usually considered rude and
            annoying) Also known as shouting, screaming, etc. 
     

   1.6a "Singles" - radio vs CDS/7" etc. 

     Most people seem to forget that there is a difference between a radio's
     and a record store's definition of the word "single".  A radio station
     will call anything that's been released for radio play "the new single,"
     regardless of whether you can go to your local music store and buy a
     copy.  Many more songs are released to the radios for airplay than are
     pressed on CDSs.  If you're lucky, have connections, or find a cool
     store, you might be able to buy a radio promo, but it's usually one track
     only. 

     Release dates are also different- radio stations are usually allowed to
     play a song several weeks before it is available for purchase on CDS
     format (if it ever is).  Example: on 9/29/95, radios started playing
     BwBW, "the new single from SP."  On 10/24, you could go to the store and
     buy BwBW on CDS, with "...Said Sadly" as a B-Side (see 1.5).  The next
     year, Muzzle was on the radio quite often, and was still called "the new
     single" even though it was never pressed and sold as a CDS.  So, if you
     see a release date, or wonder why the record store doesn't have "the new
     single" they've been playing on the radio, keep this difference in mind.
     :) 

   1.7  "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness 

     Since most people prefer to read messages that are on-topic, off-topic
     messages should at least include a little bit of on-topic material.  The
     "ObSP" is short for "Obligatory SP", and is usually a short, on-topic
     blurb used to make an otherwise off-topic message at least -somewhat-
     relevant to most readers.  

   1.8  Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere 

     The following questions should not be asked: 

     -What's that Depeche Mode cover? Where can I get it? 
     -How do I get on/off the mailing list? 
     -When are they touring in my city? 
     -When's the new album/single? 
     -What is a true fan?

     Above questions have been asked to the point of extreme annoyance, and as
     the answers are all in well-known locations, they shouldn't need to be
     asked.  Release dates are on most well-updated web sites, as well as
     easily found by reading through the newsgroup before asking it yet again.
     SmashingPumpkins.Org can tell you about the DM cover.  The Listessa FAQ
     clearly states  how to get on/off the list.  And all tour info can be
     found via Josh Provost's SPLRA site.  And there is no definition for a
     true fan.  Billy hit it right on the money when he said (and I'm
     paraphrasing here), "A true fan is someone that will give the band's next
     record a chance.  Not just one listen, but a few, just to make sure they
     really don't like it". (For the true quote, track down the 1998 Rockline
     interview with the band).

     Those URLS are: 

     SmashingPumpkins.Org: http://www.smashingpumpkins.org/ 
     Listessa: http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ 
     Tour: http://www.starla.org/splra/

     The following information has also been brought up countless times,
     and should be regarded as common knowledge: 

     -"Tristessa" means "sadness" in Spanish, French, Italian, Latin, etc. 
     (actual spellings may vary slightly), and was the title of a book by 
     Jack Kerouac. 

     -"Soma" was a drug in the book _Brave New World_, greek for "body", a
     legendary place where people sleep for a billion years, various religious
     entities, and about a million other things.  We've heard it before.  Many
     many many times before... :P" 

     -If you hold up the back of the PI CD to the light, you can see Billy
     through the white thingy on the back.  According to someone who worked
     with the band, BC said this was a complete accident. 

     -The same trick works for the liner with the fish pan & the necklace-
     looking at both sides through the light looks like an eyeball. Ooooh.
     Wow. 

     -Any thread relating a song's meaning to drugs, Kurt Cobain, Marylin
     Manson...  etc.  Usually  those threads just start flame wars, so they're
     best avoided. 

     -Threads bashing other bands.  Two words: counter-productive.  Such
     threads accomplish nothing but flame wars. 

     -Threads about moshing.  Opinions will vary, but are unlikely to change
     as a result of an argument. 

     -"Selling Out".  People have their own definitions thereof, ranging
     anywhere from simply signing a record contract to changing their own art
     or image purely to make money.  Sure, Billy said they sold out.  Who
     cares?  Has the integrity of their music changed?  No.  Check out the
     text from the back of the SP Heart shirt (section 4.7, #3), or see Tool's
     song "Hooker with a Penis" on the Toolshed at
     http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/hooker.html 

     -Silly rumors. See 3.8.  

   1.9  Validity of information 

     Don't believe everything you read.  Especially if it involves secret
     concerts, reported band members deaths, or super-special releases.  Take
     special care on April Fool's Day (the 1st), as even reliable sources of
     info are known to pull the occasional prank. 

     If something is true, it should have a reliable source or reference.  "I
     heard on the radio" does NOT count, as radios often go by rumors, and
     some people just say that to spread rumors.  If CD Europe says they have
     a special box set for $150 with super secret, rare, unreleased tracks on
     it, save your money.  If someone announces a release date for something,
     check to see if it's real/correct before demanding to know why your local
     store/station doesn't have it yet.  And if someone says their brother saw
     on MTV that Billy died, don't believe it for a second. 

     When something IS reliable, it will come from a real source.  Press
     releases are released by Associated Press and/or SP's publicist- but keep
     in mind that these can be faked as well (check to see who posted it).
     Web zines such as ATN are usually accurate (ATN's music news of the week
     can be found at http://www.addict.com/html/lofi/MNOTW/).  MTV News and
     magazine interviews are -usually- accurate, although anything the band
     says should often be taken with a grain of salt (i.e. not completely
     seriously). 

     Anything regarding the death, overdose, suicide, etc. of any band member,
     no matter how official it looks (yes, these have been faked before),
     should NOT be believed until you see it on MTV News every hour, you hear
     it on every radio station, and you see HUNDREDS of posts about it on the
     list and newsgroup.  See 5.3.


2. -Songs/Albums- 

   2.1  Short discography 

     Gish (1991) - single for "I Am One", 'Lull' EP for "Rhinoceros" 
     Peel Sessions (1992) - Siva (different version), Girl Named Sandoz,
        Smiley 
     Siamese Dream (1993) - singles for "Cherub Rock", "Today", "Disarm" and 
        "Rocket" 
     Pisces Iscariot (1994) - B-sides from previous singles, some unreleased 
     Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995) - singles for "Bullet with 
        Butterfly Wings", "1979", "Zero", "Tonight, Tonight", and
        "Thirty-Three" 
     The Aeroplane Flies High (1996) - all MCIS singles & B-sides, plus 5
        covers 
     Adore (1998) - includes singles "Ava Adore", "Perfect", and
        "Crestfallen".

     Several soundtracks & compilation CDs also have unique tracks. For more
     info, check out the complete discography, maintained by Dave Asselin at:
     http://www.xero.com/sp/spdiscog.txt OR, the visually-stimulating
     discography by Steve Hemming at
     http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/discography/disco.html

   2.2  Finding lyrics 

     At this time, there is no completely comprehensive (and original) lyrics
     site.  Two original-work sites are currently in progress, so this will be
     updated when they are completed.  At the moment, the best source is
     Siva:

     http://blamo.simplenet.com/sp/
     

   2.3  Guitar/bass tablature 

     Guitar tablature can be found at various SP web sites.  The site with the
     most tablature I'm aware of is at Starla.org.  Follow the link there.

     More guitar tablature can be found at OLGA (the OnLine Guitar Archive)
     and its mirrors:  http://www.olga.net/ 

   
  2.3b Piano score 

     Piano scores of songs like "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness",
     "Thru The Eyes of Ruby", and "Farewell & Goodnight" can be found at:
     http://www.onr.com/user/bent/score

  2.4  Cover songs 

     Songs that have been covered by SP and which appear on official releases
     are as follows: 

     Song Title:               Original Artist:        Where Found: 
     Clones (We're All)        Alice Cooper            TAFH box set 
     Dancing in the Moonlight  Thin Lizzy              Disarm single (Heart) 
     Destination Unknown       Missing Person          TAFH box set 
     Dreamin'                  Blondie                 TAFH box set 
     Girl Named Sandoz         The Animals             Peel Sessions, PI 
     Jackie Blue               Ozark Mtn Daredevils    K-Tel compilation 
     Landslide                 Fleetwood Mac           PI, Disarm (Heart) 
     My Blue Heaven            Whiting/Donaldson       33 single, TAFH box set 
     Never Let Me Down Again   Depeche Mode            Rocket single 
     A Night Like This         The Cure                TAFH box set 
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Revised: February 28, 1999.   

 

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   Smashing Pumpkins FAQ v4.10

   Welcome to the Smashing Pumpkins Frequently Asked Questions file! 
   Changes/updates from the previous release are marked by a '*'. 

   Please read this entire FAQ before posting on the newsgroup or Listessa.
   It contains an extremely large amount of information compiled over
   several years, and will save a lot of time covering basic info. :) 

   If you're new to the internet or simply haven't read them yet, *PLEASE*
   read the articles in the newsgroup "news.announce.newusers".  They
   contain a LOT of helpful information about Netiquette, how newsgroups
   work, finding appropriate places to post, how to create meaningful
   messages, where to find tons of info, and much more.  -Every- net user
   should read and be familiar with these. 

   NOTE: The original Smashing Pumpkins FAQ was operated by Eric Agnew, who
   became unavailable online in April of 1997.  Now, in November of 1998,  I
   have updated the FAQ (with the written consent of Eric) due to the great
   deal of info available from the release of 'Adore'.  I would like to make
   clear at this time that I did not do the majority of the work here.  I
   simply added new info.

                        -= Table of Contents =- 

   0. Legal Disclaimer 

   1. General 
      1.1  Who are these Smashing Pumpkins? 
      1.2  General newsgroup/list info 
      1.3  Getting on and off Listessa 
      1.4  General netiquette 
      1.4a Flamewars and crossposting 
      1.5  Appropriate Subject lines 
      1.6  Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions 
      1.6a "Single" - radio vs CDS/7" etc. 
      1.7  "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness 
      1.8  Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere* 
      1.9  Validity of information 

   2. Songs/Albums 
      2.1  Short discography* 
      2.2  Finding lyrics* 
      2.3  Guitar/bass tablature* 
      2.3b Piano score* 
      2.4  Cover songs 
      2.5  Unreleased songs* 
      2.6  Where to find given songs 
      2.7  Short guide to radio songs* 
      2.8  Songs sung by other members* 
      2.9  "Secret" messages/sounds 
      2.10  Song/album meanings 
      2.11  Vieuphoria's extra/unreleased songs 
      2.12  Differences between releases* 
      2.12a Gish - original/remastered 
      2.12b Siamese Dream - clean/explicit version, import 
      2.12c Mellon Collie 3LP*
      2.12d Adore - Japanese version*
      2.12e Earphoria - promo/bootleg 
      2.12f Import/domestic singles* 
      2.12g Vinyl - variant B-sides 
      2.13  Common/recurring lyrics 
      2.14  Photos/Cover art* 

   3. Band Info 
      3.1  Origin of name 
      3.2  First appearance* 
      3.3  Short Bios 
      3.4  Recording sessions* 
      3.5  Equipment 
      3.5a Special effects 
      3.5b EBow 
      3.6  Personal info for the prying fan 
      3.7  Sun Times' tiff 
      3.8  Silly rumors (Small Wonder, Sea Monkeys, etc.) 
      3.9  SP Fan Club 
      3.10 Contacting the band 

   4. Merchandise 
      4.1  Pricing/finding rarities 
      4.2  Books 
      4.3  T-Shirts 
      4.4  Videos 
      4.5  "Bootlegs" 
      4.6  Trading 
      4.7  Tape Trees
 
   5. News/Info/Net Resources 
      5.1  Brief history/landmark events* 
      5.2  Double Door info 
      5.3  The keyboard/drummer events* 
      5.4  Tour info* 
      5.5  IRC info 
      5.6  Web links for cool stuff* 
      5.7  Other recommended sources 

   6. Miscellaneous/Semi-Related 
      6.1  Starchildren 
      6.2  Catherine 
      6.3  The Frogs 
      6.4  Scratchie Records 
      6.5  Cabal (...) / Junta (...) 

   7. Conclusion 
      7.1  Acknowledgments 
      7.2  Disclaimer 
     
     

0. -Legal Disclaimer- 

     The Smashing Pumpkins FAQ is copyright (c) 1995-97 by Eric Agnew.  It 
     is freely distributable online through Usenet, email, and ftp.  It may
     not be used for commercial purposes, nor may any charge be imposed for
     its distribution.  Mass distribution or otherwise non-personal use
     prohibited without consent.  If you wish to use part of this in an
     article or publication, please CONTACT me first, or at least include my
     name as a reference for where you found the info - it does take work to
     compile and maintain this information, and I'd like to be credited as
     such if you decide to use it. :)  Offers for translations are
     welcome.  Links to the main URL are welcome, but I'd prefer that
     copies not be kept on other sites (save for the automatic storage by
     RTFM and similar FAQ-oriented sites, and the 4 main SP sites,
     mentioned below), so that the most current version is always the one
     available.  Overall, though, give credit where it's due.  

 
1. -General- 

   1.1  Who are these Smashing Pumpkins? 

     The Smashing Pumpkins are perhaps one of the most successful
     "alternative" bands of today.  Chances are, if you've ever watched MTV or
     listened to the radio more than once or twice, you've either seen one of
     their videos or heard one of their songs. 

     The band consists of Billy Corgan on lead vocals & guitar, James Iha on
     guitar, and D'Arcy on bass. Their recent touring drummer, formerly of
     John Mellencamp fame, who joined them during the spring of 1998.  When
     their former drummer, Jimmy Chamberlin, was- to put it nicely- released
     from the band to go into rehab, the Pumpkins hired drummer Matt Walker
     from Filter for the remainder of the Mellon Collie Tour.  See 5.3 for
     more on that whole deal. 

     The Pumpkins have won many awards, gone on several major tours, appeared
     on several movie soundtracks, and released a rather large number of songs
     in a fairly short time.  Keep on reading for tons of info!  

   1.2  General newsgroup/list info 

     The Smashing Pumpkins newsgroup, alt.music.smash-pumpkins, and the
     mailing list, Listessa, are primarily places to discuss the Smashing
     Pumpkins.  However, not every post/message will be.  Topics range from
     lyrical discussions to new song info, personal SP stories, and even more
     general social interaction.  Try to stay as much on-topic as possible,
     and if a thread develops that you aren't interested in, ignore it- it
     will die out eventually.  Complaining about certain threads usually just
     makes matters worse by prolonging them and generating meta-threads.  

   1.3  Getting on and off Listessa 

     First, make sure the list is operational. You can do this by checking the
     Official Listessa Web Site at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ and
     checking to see if there's a smiley face or a sad face.  Click on the
     face for more info and special instructions. 

     To subscribe to Listessa, send a message to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca with
     the following message body: 

                subscribe smashing-pumpkins (your name) 

     Insert your name (omit parentheses) and disregard the subject line.  If
     all goes well, you will soon get a welcome message, which will include
     the Listessa FAQ, also available at http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/
     READ THIS!  It contains the rules & guidelines of the list, as well as
     other special instructions. 

     To post a message to the list, simply reply to any of its messages, or
     start a new message addressed to: smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca
     Please quote only what is necessary, not entire digests. :) 

     Here's how to unsubscribe, straight from the Listessa FAQ: 
     -=-=- 
     To unsubscribe from the SP mailing list, send a letter to 
     listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca (-=NOT=- smashing-pumpkins@cc.umanitoba.ca )
     with the following, and -=ONLY=- the following, in the body of the
     letter: 

                           unsub smashing-pumpkins 

     Do -=NOT=- include your e-mail address, a signature file, the name of 
     your pet hamster, or any other information in the letter. 

     Please note: after you unsubscribe, you will receive a letter saying 
     'Thanks for being with us.' You may still receive a few letters from the
     list after this. Do not be alarmed, this is normal. If, a day later, you
     are still getting letters, and you are sure you have followed the
     instructions correctly, feel free to write Karl_Daher@mbnet.mb.ca for
     help. I log in one or two times a day to maintain the list.
     -=-=- 

     Do NOT post a message to the list asking how to get off, or to be taken
     off.  It's very annoying, and will not work. 

     For more info, check the listessa web site or send a message with the
     body "help" to listproc@cc.umanitoba.ca 

   1.4  General netiquette 

     First off, read news.announce.newusers, taking special note at the posts
     dealing with Usenet and Netiquette.  If you have general questions after
     reading these, check in news.newusers.questions. 

     Rules that apply everywhere: Do not post "Make Money Fast" or any of its
     variants.  Yes, it really is illegal (even though some copies say it's
     not, and even give a legal code to refer to), and it's just plain
     annoying.  Also, do not post advertisements unless they're clearly
     on-topic and posted ONCE.  See "Advertising on Usenet: How To Do It, How
     Not To Do It" in, once again, news.announce.newusers 

     Overall, keep in mind that many people read and post, and that people
     have different opinions.  Don't start yelling at someone simply because
     they don't agree with you or have the same tastes & opinions. 

     Avoid bashing new fans.  Unless you've been attached to Billy's hip since
     birth, there's someone out there that's known about them longer than you
     have, too.  Everyone has to start somewhere.  A nice, polite reference to
     the FAQ and appropriate web sites would suffice. :) 

     Also, please READ the messages before writing.  If there's been a recent
     announcement, someone's probably already posted it.  Check the thread to
     see how many replies there are before simply putting up another copy of
     the same info- it'll save your time as well as ensuring that others won't
     have to read it more than once.  Threaded newsreaders are definitely a
     plus here. :) 

   1.4a Flamewars and crossposting 

     On Usenet, be sure to check the "Newsgroups:" line if something seems
     unusually strange or off-topic.  Things like "What is the best
     alternative band of the 90s?" (usually in caps) are giveaways, and are
     simply posted to every newsgroup to start people arguing.  Many people
     demand to know why a post about another band is in "their" newsgroup
     without realizing that it's in the other as well.  If you reply to a
     cross-post, remove the other newsgroups from the "Newsgroups:" line, so
     that it doesn't go to every other group. 

     Flamewars erupt often, and there's little that can be done about it.  The
     best thing you can possibly do is ignore it.  Some people just say
     something extremely rude and then leave immediately, so they won't even
     see your reply.  Others will just TRY to get you pissed off at them and
     generate angry replies.  If you must reply, do it over email.  If it
     continues to bother you and won't go away, killfile that thread, or just
     don't read it.  Just don't feed the fire. 

     Likewise, don't start flames, as they're obviously not on-topic.  Sure,
     you can yell "BUSH SUCKS!" and get a lot of people to agree with you, but
     some people won't.  Besides that, it's not alt.music.smash-pumpkins, not
     alt.flame.bush (or Manson, or Spice Girls, or Hanson, etc.).  If someone
     casually mentions liking a band that you don't, explain why if you must,
     but don't simply yell "They fucking suck!" and leave it at that.  Such
     pointless arguments go nowhere.  

   1.5  Appropriate Subject lines 

     Use appropriate subject lines whenever starting a new thread.  It's much
     easier to decide whether you want to read "Wanted: Siamese Singles box
     set" than "Re: Smashing Pumpkins Digest #342".  Be specific. 

     Also, the use of certain indicators can be quite helpful.  Josh Sherman
     suggested the use of "Tan:" to precede any subject that doesn't directly
     deal with SP (a tangent thread), so those who don't wish to read such
     messages can easily identify and skip over them.  Other helpful headers
     are as follows: 

     FS:  For Sale (for Listessa, use the marketplace- details in the List
          FAQ) 
     Lyr: New lyrics 
     Req: Request for info, tab, lyrics, etc. (please check the FAQ and web 
          sites first, as there is a LOT already out there that's just waiting
          to be found and looked up- it's not hard to find) 
     Tab: Tablature 
     Q:   Question 
     WTB: Wanted To Buy (indicates that you want something) 

     Other pre-subject headers can be helpful, such as "Announcement:" or "New
     Site:".  Just be specific in indicating what the message is about.  Do
     NOT use misleading subject lines just to get people to read your post,
     though- messages with subjects like "Free surprise concert at Metro this
     weekend!" or "Billy dies in car accident" that start out with "Now that I
     got you to read this..." usually don't get read much further and usually
     just tend to piss people off.  

   1.6  Acronyms, abbreviations, and common definitions 

     Common SP-related/song acronyms: 
     ------------------------ 
     AA    - Ava Adore (Adore song/single)
     amsp  - alt.music.smash-pumpkins, the newsgroup 
     BC    - Billy Corgan 
     BwBW  - Bullet with Butterfly Wings (MCIS song/single) 
     CR    - Cherub Rock (SD song/single) 
     DD    - Double Door, a bar in Chicago (see 5.2) 
     ITAOS - In the Arms of Sleep (MCIS song) 
     MCIS  - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (latest studio 2CD/3LP) 
     ng    - newsgroup 
     PI    - Pisces Iscariot (B-sides compilation from 10/94) 
     PM    - Pastichio Medley (23-minute conglomeration of 70 song snippets, 
             found on Zero EP) 
     SD    - Siamese Dream (2nd studio album, breakthrough release) 
     SP    - Smashing Pumpkins (need I say more?) 
     STRTJ    - Set the Ray to Jerry (1979 B-side) 
     TAFH     - The Aeroplane Flies High (latest box set of MCIS CD singles) 
     TEITBITE - The End is the Beginning is the End (song from Batman and 
                Robin soundtrack) 
     TBITEITB - The Beginning is the End is the Beginning (its counterpart) 
     TOASE    - Tales of a Scorched Earth (MCIS song) 
     TT       - Tonight, Tonight (MCIS song, single) 
     TTEOR    - Thru the Eyes of Ruby (MCIS song) 
     WBFTT    - Where Boys Fear to Tread (MCIS song) 
     XYU      - not an acronym, as many ask about, but a homonym for "Ex, why 
                you?"  Answered by the man himself. 
     YAIGT    - You're All I've Got Tonight (Cars cover in TAFH box set) 

     Other common general acronyms: 
     ------------------------------ 
     AFAIK - As Far As I Know 
     aka   - Also Known As 
     CD    - Compact Disc 
     CDS   - CD single (i.e. BwBW) 
     FS    - For Sale (helpful in subject line) 
     FT    - For Trade (helpful in subject line) 
     FWIW  - For What It's Worth 
     HTH   - Hope This Helps (usually said sarcastically) 
     IMHO  - In My (Humble|Honest) Opinion 
     LOL   - Laughing Out Loud 
     NP:   - Now Playing (used at ends of messages to indicate what poster 
             was listening to at the time of posting) 
     ROFL  - Rolling On the Floor, Laughing (also ROFLMAO, adding "My Ass
             Off") 
     RTFM  - Read The Fine Manual (although 'Fine' is often replaced by
             another word of the user's choice) :) 
     UCE   - Unsolicited Commercial Email (aka email spam) 
     WTB   - Wanted To Buy (helpful in subject line) 
     WTT   - Wanted To Trade (helpful in subject line) 
     YHBT. HAND. - You Have Been Trolled(+). Have A Nice Day. 
                (+see below for definition) 

     Most other abbreviations are songs.  If it's not immediately
     recognizable, just think & you should be able to figure it out. 

     Common definitions: 
     ------------------- 
     :-)     - a smiley face (tilt your head to the left), used to denote
            humor and/or sarcasm (variants:  :P"   :(   >:(   ;)   etc.) 
     B-side  - a song found on a single that isn't the title track (i.e. "The 
            Last Song"). Named from the days of vinyl, when 45s had a popular
            song on one side (the A-side) and another, perhaps unreleased song
            on the other (the B-side).  Third songs on vinyl are thus referred
            to as C-sides 
     Bootleg - an unofficial recording, referring either to someone's personal 
            tape or DAT recording of a live show, or a bootleg company's CD
            pressing of such a recording, or of unreleased studio demos (see
            4.5) 
     EP      - stands for "Extended Play", as opposed to an LP (Long Play). 
            Generally shorter than a full release (LP), but usually longer
            than a single.  Example: Lull EP, Peel Sessions, Zero EP 
     Flame   - a message that harshly ridicules someone else or their opinion 
            through the use of personal attack rather than reason & logic.
            Usually feature lots of capital letters, exclamation marks,
            obscene and derogatory remarks, and misspelled words. :) 
     Killfile- a feature of good newsreaders (AOL and Netscape News not 
            included) that allows users to specify names, subject lines, or
            other patterns (even entire domains) which they don't want to
            read.  Upon reading news, these patterns are automatically
            "killed", and the reader never has to see those messages.  Useful
            for ignoring/avoiding heavy crossposts, lame threads, or messages
            from anyone you simply don't want to read from. :) 
      - the sound of someone being added to a killfile (i.e. if someone 
            plonks you, they've added you to their killfile, which means
            they'll never see another message from your email address again) 
     .sig    - short for signature, a small file automatically appended to the 
            end of all outgoing messages and/or posts.  Generally includes
            name, email address, URL, and/or a clever quote, etc.  Netiquette
            standards allow for 4 lines- anything longer is usually frowned
            upon, and large ASCII art is almost always complained about.  Keep
            in mind that it's something people are going to see every time you
            write, then keep it accordingly short and sweet. :) 
     Thread  - a group of messages with the same subject or subject line.
            Good newsreaders will group these together so they're read in
            order of replies. 
     Troll   - a post specifically designed to generate as many replies as 
            possible (usually in the form of a blatant flame, obviously
            incorrect information, or (missed) sarcasm).  Most likely named
            after a fishing technique 
     yelling - using all capital letters (usually considered rude and
            annoying) Also known as shouting, screaming, etc. 
     

   1.6a "Singles" - radio vs CDS/7" etc. 

     Most people seem to forget that there is a difference between a radio's
     and a record store's definition of the word "single".  A radio station
     will call anything that's been released for radio play "the new single,"
     regardless of whether you can go to your local music store and buy a
     copy.  Many more songs are released to the radios for airplay than are
     pressed on CDSs.  If you're lucky, have connections, or find a cool
     store, you might be able to buy a radio promo, but it's usually one track
     only. 

     Release dates are also different- radio stations are usually allowed to
     play a song several weeks before it is available for purchase on CDS
     format (if it ever is).  Example: on 9/29/95, radios started playing
     BwBW, "the new single from SP."  On 10/24, you could go to the store and
     buy BwBW on CDS, with "...Said Sadly" as a B-Side (see 1.5).  The next
     year, Muzzle was on the radio quite often, and was still called "the new
     single" even though it was never pressed and sold as a CDS.  So, if you
     see a release date, or wonder why the record store doesn't have "the new
     single" they've been playing on the radio, keep this difference in mind.
     :) 

   1.7  "ObSP" - obligatory on-topicness 

     Since most people prefer to read messages that are on-topic, off-topic
     messages should at least include a little bit of on-topic material.  The
     "ObSP" is short for "Obligatory SP", and is usually a short, on-topic
     blurb used to make an otherwise off-topic message at least -somewhat-
     relevant to most readers.  

   1.8  Things NOT to ask or bring up/threads which go nowhere 

     The following questions should not be asked: 

     -What's that Depeche Mode cover? Where can I get it? 
     -How do I get on/off the mailing list? 
     -When are they touring in my city? 
     -When's the new album/single? 
     -What is a true fan?

     Above questions have been asked to the point of extreme annoyance, and as
     the answers are all in well-known locations, they shouldn't need to be
     asked.  Release dates are on most well-updated web sites, as well as
     easily found by reading through the newsgroup before asking it yet again.
     SmashingPumpkins.Org can tell you about the DM cover.  The Listessa FAQ
     clearly states  how to get on/off the list.  And all tour info can be
     found via Josh Provost's SPLRA site.  And there is no definition for a
     true fan.  Billy hit it right on the money when he said (and I'm
     paraphrasing here), "A true fan is someone that will give the band's next
     record a chance.  Not just one listen, but a few, just to make sure they
     really don't like it". (For the true quote, track down the 1998 Rockline
     interview with the band).

     Those URLS are: 

     SmashingPumpkins.Org: http://www.smashingpumpkins.org/ 
     Listessa: http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ 
     Tour: http://www.starla.org/splra/

     The following information has also been brought up countless times,
     and should be regarded as common knowledge: 

     -"Tristessa" means "sadness" in Spanish, French, Italian, Latin, etc. 
     (actual spellings may vary slightly), and was the title of a book by 
     Jack Kerouac. 

     -"Soma" was a drug in the book _Brave New World_, greek for "body", a
     legendary place where people sleep for a billion years, various religious
     entities, and about a million other things.  We've heard it before.  Many
     many many times before... :P" 

     -If you hold up the back of the PI CD to the light, you can see Billy
     through the white thingy on the back.  According to someone who worked
     with the band, BC said this was a complete accident. 

     -The same trick works for the liner with the fish pan & the necklace-
     looking at both sides through the light looks like an eyeball. Ooooh.
     Wow. 

     -Any thread relating a song's meaning to drugs, Kurt Cobain, Marylin
     Manson...  etc.  Usually  those threads just start flame wars, so they're
     best avoided. 

     -Threads bashing other bands.  Two words: counter-productive.  Such
     threads accomplish nothing but flame wars. 

     -Threads about moshing.  Opinions will vary, but are unlikely to change
     as a result of an argument. 

     -"Selling Out".  People have their own definitions thereof, ranging
     anywhere from simply signing a record contract to changing their own art
     or image purely to make money.  Sure, Billy said they sold out.  Who
     cares?  Has the integrity of their music changed?  No.  Check out the
     text from the back of the SP Heart shirt (section 4.7, #3), or see Tool's
     song "Hooker with a Penis" on the Toolshed at
     http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/hooker.html 

     -Silly rumors. See 3.8.  

   1.9  Validity of information 

     Don't believe everything you read.  Especially if it involves secret
     concerts, reported band members deaths, or super-special releases.  Take
     special care on April Fool's Day (the 1st), as even reliable sources of
     info are known to pull the occasional prank. 

     If something is true, it should have a reliable source or reference.  "I
     heard on the radio" does NOT count, as radios often go by rumors, and
     some people just say that to spread rumors.  If CD Europe says they have
     a special box set for $150 with super secret, rare, unreleased tracks on
     it, save your money.  If someone announces a release date for something,
     check to see if it's real/correct before demanding to know why your local
     store/station doesn't have it yet.  And if someone says their brother saw
     on MTV that Billy died, don't believe it for a second. 

     When something IS reliable, it will come from a real source.  Press
     releases are released by Associated Press and/or SP's publicist- but keep
     in mind that these can be faked as well (check to see who posted it).
     Web zines such as ATN are usually accurate (ATN's music news of the week
     can be found at http://www.addict.com/html/lofi/MNOTW/).  MTV News and
     magazine interviews are -usually- accurate, although anything the band
     says should often be taken with a grain of salt (i.e. not completely
     seriously). 

     Anything regarding the death, overdose, suicide, etc. of any band member,
     no matter how official it looks (yes, these have been faked before),
     should NOT be believed until you see it on MTV News every hour, you hear
     it on every radio station, and you see HUNDREDS of posts about it on the
     list and newsgroup.  See 5.3.


2. -Songs/Albums- 

   2.1  Short discography 

     Gish (1991) - single for "I Am One", 'Lull' EP for "Rhinoceros" 
     Peel Sessions (1992) - Siva (different version), Girl Named Sandoz,
        Smiley 
     Siamese Dream (1993) - singles for "Cherub Rock", "Today", "Disarm" and 
        "Rocket" 
     Pisces Iscariot (1994) - B-sides from previous singles, some unreleased 
     Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995) - singles for "Bullet with 
        Butterfly Wings", "1979", "Zero", "Tonight, Tonight", and
        "Thirty-Three" 
     The Aeroplane Flies High (1996) - all MCIS singles & B-sides, plus 5
        covers 
     Adore (1998) - includes singles "Ava Adore", "Perfect", and
        "Crestfallen".

     Several soundtracks & compilation CDs also have unique tracks. For more
     info, check out the complete discography, maintained by Dave Asselin at:
     http://www.xero.com/sp/spdiscog.txt OR, the visually-stimulating
     discography by Steve Hemming at
     http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/discography/disco.html

   2.2  Finding lyrics 

     At this time, there is no completely comprehensive (and original) lyrics
     site.  Two original-work sites are currently in progress, so this will be
     updated when they are completed.  At the moment, the best source is
     Siva:

     http://blamo.simplenet.com/sp/
     

   2.3  Guitar/bass tablature 

     Guitar tablature can be found at various SP web sites.  The site with the
     most tablature I'm aware of is at Starla.org.  Follow the link there.

     More guitar tablature can be found at OLGA (the OnLine Guitar Archive)
     and its mirrors:  http://www.olga.net/ 

   
  2.3b Piano score 

     Piano scores of songs like "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness",
     "Thru The Eyes of Ruby", and "Farewell & Goodnight" can be found at:
     http://www.onr.com/user/bent/score

  2.4  Cover songs 

     Songs that have been covered by SP and which appear on official releases
     are as follows: 

     Song Title:               Original Artist:        Where Found: 
     Clones (We're All)        Alice Cooper            TAFH box set 
     Dancing in the Moonlight  Thin Lizzy              Disarm single (Heart) 
     Destination Unknown       Missing Person          TAFH box set 
     Dreamin'                  Blondie                 TAFH box set 
     Girl Named Sandoz         The Animals             Peel Sessions, PI 
     Jackie Blue               Ozark Mtn Daredevils    K-Tel compilation 
     Landslide                 Fleetwood Mac           PI, Disarm (Heart) 
     My Blue Heaven            Whiting/Donaldson       33 single, TAFH box set 
     Never Let Me Down Again   Depeche Mode            Rocket single 
     A Night Like This         The Cure                TAFH box set 
     Rudolph the Red-Nosed     (traditional)           Kevin & Bean comp. tape 
       Reindeer 
     Sad Peter Pan             Vic Chestnutt           Sweet Relief II comp. 
     Terrapin                  Syd Barrett             I Am One 10" vinyl 
     You're All I've Got       The Cars                TAFH box set 
       Tonight 
     

     Transmission [Joy Division],  Boys Don't Cry [The Cure], Godzilla [Blue
     Oyster Cult], Out of Focus  [Blue Cheer], and a bit of Sunshine of Your
     Love [Cream] can be found on  CD bootlegs, as well as Rudolph the
     Red-Nosed Reindeer.  Performances of  "Auf Wiedersehen", "Baby Loves to
     Rock" and "If You Want My Love" with Cheap Trick are also available on
     the numerous CD boots from 10/23/95, the pre-MCIS release concert.  

   2.5  Unreleased songs 

     Recent songs that have not been released, and perhaps never will be,
     include Let Me Give the World to You, Blissed & Gone [aka "17"],
     Methusela, Speed, Towers of Rabble, and Wishing You Were.  

   2.6  Where to find given songs 

     Check the bootlists at either Jackboot (http://www.starla.org/jackboot/)
     or the bootleg discography, and they'll tell you every CD-boot
     release you can find something on, except where there are no 
     recordings of the song.  

   2.7  Short guide to radio songs 

     The following is a short guide to songs you're likely to hear on the
     radio, so if you don't know a song by name, this should help you out: 

     1979 - played semi-often.  Drum loop with live drums, clean guitars. 
     "Shakedown, 1979..."  Found on MCIS & single. 
     
     Ava Adore - heavy, distorted drum loop (electronic-style drums). "You'll
     always be    my whore".  Played heavily before and after release of
     'Adore'. 

     Bullet with Butterfly Wings - played often in 95-6.  Distorted.  "Despite
     all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage."  Found on MCIS & 
     single. 

     Cherub Rock - played often during SD era.  Opens with drum roll.  "Let me
     out, let me out..."  Found on Siamese Dream & single. 

     Crestfallen - soft backbeat, "Who am I, to need you?" Brand new single
     from Adore.  

     Destination Unknown - very synthy Missing Persons cover found in TAFH. 

     Disarm - played often a few years ago, still played occasionally.
     Acoustic guitar, timpani, cello and bells.  "Disarm you with a smile..."
     "I used to be a little boy" etc.  Found on Siamese Dream & single. 

     Drown - played occasionally.  Long, spacey.  "No matter where you are, I
     can still hear you when you drown..."  Unedited version includes a long
     feedback solo at the end.  Found on Singles soundtrack. 

     The End Is The Beginning Is The End - song from Batman and Robin
     soundtrack, released for radio play.  Heavy distorted guitars, some
     synth, electronic drums. 

     Eye - played fairly often.  Drum kit, synth.  "Turn to the gates of
     Heaven, to myself be damned..."  Found on Lost Highway soundtrack. 

     Frail & Bedazzled - used to be played often, still airs occasionally.
     Heavy I/IV guitar riff, one verse drops to vocals-only.  Found on PI. 

     Landslide - solo acoustic Fleetwood Mac cover.  "And I saw my reflection
     in a snow covered hill..."  Found on Pisces Iscariot & Disarm Heart
     single. 

     Muzzle - played semi-often.  Distorted guitars, fairly heavy.  Drums cut
     out & enter loudly back in several times.  Starts off "I fear that I am
     ordinary just like everyone."  Found on MCIS (-no- CDS single). 

     Never Let Me Down Again - played occasionally.  Clean guitar, mellow
     cover of Depeche Mode song: "I'm taking a ride with my best friend" etc.
     Found on Rocket CDS or 7" (hard to find). 

     Perfect - second single from 'Adore'.  Light, poppy song.  "Perfect, I
     promise we'll be perfect...".  Played often.  Video is the "continuation"
     of the 1979 video.

     Rocket - played often during SD era.  Layered distorted guitars.  "I
     shall be free..."  Found on Siamese dream & single. 

     Thirty-Three - played semi-often.  Acoustic guitar & piano, no drums.
     "And you - can make it last, forever you."  Found on MCIS & single. 

     Today - played often during SD era.  Alternating clean/distorted.
     "To-day is the greatest..." etc.  Found on Siamese Dream & single. 

     Tonight, Tonight - played semi-often.  Strings, clean guitar.  Found on
     MCIS & single. 

     You're All I've Got Tonight - Cars cover.  Verses are mostly drums.
     Found in TAFH box set. 

     Zero - played semi-often.  Distortion/harmonics.  Found on MCIS & single.  

   2.8  Songs sung by other members 

     Billy doesn't sing -every- song...  Those featuring James on lead vocals
     are (these do not include James' solo album "Let It Come Down", 1998) : 

     Believe, The Bells, Blew Away, The Boy, Farewell & Goodnight (1st verse,
     w/ Billy), A Night Like This, ...Said Sadly (w/ guest Nina Gordon of
     Veruca Salt), Take Me Down, and Terrapin. 

     Of course, he's also sung a few songs live (Boys Don't Cry, Country Girl,
     I Feel You, Kooks, Germans in Leather Pants etc.) 

     D'Arcy sings on Daydream (Gish), Dreamin' (TAFH box set), and in the
     second verse of Farewell and Goodnight (MCIS), as well as backup on many
     other songs.  She's also featured in Catherine's "Four Leaf Clover" and
     "Punch Me Out", and on a few Fulflej songs. 

     Jimmy Chamberlin, the band's former drummer, sings along with D'Arcy in
     the second verse of Farewell and Goodnight.  

   2.9  "Secret" messages/sounds 

     Sometimes you can hear weird noises that probably shouldn't be there, or
     people talking in the studio.  Sometimes they're obvious, sometimes you
     have to strain to hear them with headphones on.  This isn't meant to be a
     complete listing of every time you hear a strange noise, but it's a list
     of the most interesting and notable noises & extra words you can find.
     Many more can be found at Pumpkin World's secret sounds page:
     http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2204/secrets.html 

     Bodies 
     words spoken in background of second "Love is suicide" chorus- destroy /
     despise / distrust / disobey / destroy / distrust / disloyal / disarm /
     destroy / despise / dissect / deny / destroy / despise / distrust 

     Bury Me 
     song opens with James saying something (most plausible ideas are "Boys, 
     let's do it" and "Poised like an angel") 

     Cherry 
     studio talk at beginning: "Listen- wanna just start it?" "Ready, Flood?" 
     "Yeah." "1, 2, 3, 4..." 

     Dancing in the Moonlight 
     Billy talks at the end about choking in the middle of the song 

     Daydream 
     click of bow hitting cello at 1:10.5, jingly noises around 1:20-21 

     Galapogos 
     incomprehensible muttering from 3:16-27 

     Glynis 
     opens with synthesized "Hello", allegedly from a Red Red Meat song 

     Hello Kitty Kat 
     ends with Billy saying "Song's over" 

     Honey Spider I 
     Billy laughs at end & says "Aha!  That's everything..." 

     La Dolly Vita 
     strange, cartoonish "Ooh!" noise at 3:33; cuckoo at 3:44 

     Marquis in Spades 
     studio talk at beginning: "Rolling..." "I was just on another planet for
     a sec." "Run it back, Mole" (amp on) "Fucker." 

     Silverfuck 
     ends with BC saying "Alright, this take, don't give a fuck" & playing a
     few notes 

     Siva (Peel Session) 
     at 4:09, D'Arcy says she stepped on something; BC counts to 4 for re-
     entry 

     Soma 
     ends with TV evangelist clip: "and you need to resist the devil so that 
     he will flee" 

     Soothe 
     "you can hear the 7am buses slithering by" at 2:18-21 (PI liner notes) 

     Spaceboy 
     ends with TV talk show clip: "Now it's, uh, kind of strange, and, uh,
     kinda hard for me to talk about, but I thought maybe you could help- um,
     when we start getting physical, rather than having intercourse, he ends
     up just masturbating himself, and I end up feeling very alienated and
     unsatisfied, and it's  really come between us-".  Some versions include
     the clip as the beginning of the Silverfuck track. 

     Starla 
     "listen for the police car go by" at 5:27-30 (PI liner notes) 

     Transformer 
     starts with 4 drum clicks & Billy saying "Hit it" 

     Where Boys Fear to Tread 
     DOOM explosion mentioned in liner notes: 1:20, 1:55, 2:29, 3:01, 3:44 
     

   2.10 Song/album meanings 

     Discussing the meaning of songs is sometimes an interesting topic, but
     the band seem to shy away from explaining them outright.  On 120 Minutes,
     November '91, Billy and D'Arcy said the following: 

     BC: Um, my songs are really personal...  and... you, it's like I'd have 
         to tell everyone the story that goes behind every song, and I just...
         it's kinda- it seems silly to me that I'd have to say "Well one day I
         was walking down the street, see, and..." [shrug] it doesn't- it
         wouldn't make any difference. I- and I don't- I mean, that's one of
         my problems with the video medium, is- is having to attach symbolism
         and specifics to songs because I think in some ways it's the
         ambiguousness of things that makes people find something in their
         own... life. 
     D:  I sometimes think that... people get more out of a song (BC nods) if 
         they don't know exactly what it's about- you can, you can listen more
         to the music, and that's mostly what we're about is music & emotions
         come from that. 
     BC: Freedom. Freedom of thought. I mean, we're not here to preach or tell 
         you what to think, you know, if- 
     D:  We're here to say 'think for yourself,' you know... 

     Nikki Christoff is collecting song interpretations on her web site. 
     Check out the ones there, or submit your own: 
     http://www.nikki.simplenet.com/song.htm 
     

   2.11 Vieuphoria's extra/unreleased songs 

     Vieuphoria contains several songs unavailable elsewhere, which are as 
     follows: 

     Bugg Superstar - techno song playing while James talks about his dog 
     (repeats "Bugg, Superstar..."). 

     Pulseczar - distorted guitar chords, no drums, weird visual effects. 
     Starts with "I hear you calling from the sky" 

     Sinfony - 53 second EBow-driven guitar piece at beginning of tape 

     Why Am I So Tired? - instrumental played over ending credits 

     Note that the long jam at the end of Silverfuck also appears as a riff 
     called "Jackboot" in Pastichio Medley, but is not usually considered a 
     completed song. 
     

   2.12 Differences between releases 

     Most releases have several versions available.  Special versions, 
     usually imports from central Europe or Japan, sometimes contain extra 
     tracks not found on the other releases.  Check it out before buying to 
     avoid having to buy several versions of the same single to get all the 
     songs.  :) 

     For more details, consult either discography:
     Visual Discography, found at
     http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/discography/disco.html
     Text-version, found at http://www.xero.com/sp/spdiscog.txt 
     

   2.12a Gish - original/remastered 

     The original release of Gish was on Caroline Records, has the cover image
     on the CD, and was released in 1991.  The rerelease was on Virgin, has no
     picture on the CD (just the writing), and was "remastered."  It's hard to
     tell by listening, although the bass was supposedly brought out a bit...  

   2.12b Siamese Dream - clean/explicit version, import 

     Certain versions of Siamese Dream have the titles listed on the back,
     while others don't.  This is the "clean version", assumed to be produced
     for large chain stores, due to the title "silverfuck".  Aside from the
     back cover, there is no difference. 

     There are also differences in the inserts- after the initial pressing,
     someone decided to save money by taking all the photographs, which were
     on their own page in the first pressing, and combining them all onto 2
     pages, turning the booklet into a foldout, and rendering the handwritten
     lyrics quite small and difficult to read.  The repressing included an
     address for fan club info and lyrics- unbeknownst to the 'fan club'
     person (read 'mail reader') for some time- resulting in many returned
     letters, until every- thing was finally explained... 

     The Japanese import version contains a bonus track, labelled "Hikari
     Express".  This is simply "Pissant", which can be found on Pisces
     Iscariot.  

  2.12c Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness - 3LP

     Mellon Collie was released on vinyl in March of 1996.  This came out on 3
     12" vinyls.  Here is an explanation of the availability of this, as found
     in the text discography:

     "The 3LP version of MCIS was originally solicited in February of 1996 as
     a limited-to-5000, numbered edition. When it was finally released in
     April, it was allegedly limited to 15,000. Since that time, numbers above
     18,000 have been confirmed, leaving open the question of how many copies
     were actually pressed."

     Most recently, Mark Andrew Hamilton has reported that Virgin Records has
     re-issued the set, and has it listed as "In-stock" in their catalogues.
     More will be posted here as it comes available.

  2.12d Adore - Japanese version

     The Japanese version of Adore includes a bonus track, "Once in a While",
     which  is also found on the US and UK versions of the Ava Adore single.

   2.12e Earphoria - promo/bootleg 

     The promo for Vieuphoria, entitled "Earphoria", exists as a promo (rare)
     and as various bootlegged/copied versions.  The promo CD is light blue
     with pink SP-hearts, and includes a picture of James and Bugg on the back
     of the liner.  The bootlegged versions are usually cheap copies- image
     quality on the liner is obviously inferior, some versions are missing the
     picture of James & Bugg, and some of the CDs are simply black hearts on
     blank CDs.  Some versions also mess up the tracks by combining French
     Movie Theme and Pissant onto one track, and splitting Silverfuck into two
     tracks.  The biggest apparent difference, though, is price- the promo
     will usually cost significantly more, if you can find it anywhere. 

     Also note that there's a bootleg CD entitled "Billy Don't Be a Hero" that
     is, essentially, a copy of Earphoria.  

   2.12f Import/domestic singles 

     Differences in singles are quite common- generally US and UK singles are
     limited to two or three B-sides, for chart/ratings purposes- including
     more songs would change their status from 'single' to 'EP', which would
     mean they couldn't be counted in certain charts.  Usually, where
     different versions of a single exist, the US version will simply omit
     certain B- sides, UK releases will be split into two parts, and Japanese
     or central European releases (Germany, Holland, etc.) will include all
     tracks. 

     CD singles for I Am One, Cherub Rock, Rocket, Bullet with Butterfly
     Wings, and Zero either exist only in one form (from one country), or have
     the same number of tracks on each release (except that the box set
     release of BwBW also includes 5 cover songs). 

     Disarm is in two parts from the UK, labelled "Heart" and "Smile".
     Tonight, Tonight and Thirty-Three, as well as having 2-part UK singles,
     also have a US counterpart with omitted B-sides. 

     1979 and Tonight, Tonight have central-Europe releases with all B-sides
     included.  1979 also has a US release with omitted B-sides. 

     Today and Tonight, Tonight also have Japanese import versions: Today
     features Hello Kitty Kat, Obscured, French Movie Theme, and Apathy's Last
     Kiss (only otherwise available on the Today 7").  Tonight, Tonight has
     the same tracks as the central-Europe release (i.e. all 6 B-sides).
     Perfect has a few different versions of the single:  the UK singles (part
     1 and 2, each with three tracks, remixes of Perfect, Daphne Descends, and
     a new song by James, "Summer"), the Euro Maxi single (this includes 7
     songs, all remixes), and the US single (a few "Perfect" remixes and
     "Summer" by James)

   2.12g Vinyl - variant B-sides 

     The B-sides (and C-sides, where they exist) of vinyl releases often
     differ from those of cassette and CD/CDS releases.  Following is a list
     of songs that can only be found on vinyl (excluding unofficial/bootleg
     releases): 

     Daughter - Reflex magazine 7" flexi-disc (good luck) 
     Bullet Train to Osaka - I Am One 10" 
     Honey Spider I - Tristessa 12" 
     Honey Spider II - Pisces Iscariot bonus 7" 
     Infinite Sadness - MCIS triple vinyl (3x12") 
     My Dahlia - Light Into Dark compilation 12" 
     Not Worth Asking - I Am One 7", Pisces Iscariot bonus 7" 
     Purr Snickety - Cherub Rock 7" (also in Siamese Singles box set) 
     Siamese Dream - Disarm 7" (also in Siamese Singles box set) 
     Sun - Light Into Dark compilation 12" 
     Terrapin [Syd Barrett] - I Am One 10" 

     The original 7" version of I Am One can be found on the Absolute Middle
     of Nowhere #17 compilation CD, and the Today 7" b-side "Apathy's Last
     Kiss" can be found on the Japanese Today import CDS.  

   2.13 Common/recurring lyrics 

     Billy has been known to use a few words or phrases several times, so to
     keep people from constantly re-'discovering' them :) here's a list: 

     june: 1979, Bye June, Mayonaise, Rhinoceros, Tales of a Scorched Earth 
     my one and only: By Starlight, Lily, XYU, Zero 

     On Q101 radio (Chicago), 10/95, someone actually asked about this- the
     reply was that he simply did that to see if people would notice.  A more
     likely explanation is simply that he likes those words, and/or they rhyme
     well...  

   2.14 Photos/Cover art 

     Since some people wonder where all those pictures come from in all the
     releases, here's a brief synopsis: 

     SD insert - random pictures found by the graphic artist, not related to
        the band (same goes for Cherub Rock cover) 
     Today cover - D'Arcy's sisters 
     Pisces Iscariot cover (CD) - of continuous debate.  Some say it's James, 
        Courtney Love said it's her with a cherry in her mouth, Billy said
        it's his now-ex wife, Chris, although he may have been referring to
        the necklace picture on the inside liner 
     Zero insert - a Giorgio Armani model (NOT Yelena Yemchuk, the
        photographer) 
     Thirty-Three - cover painting=Rasputin, insert=Lenin 
     Adore cover - Amy Wesson 
     Ava Adore cover - Amy Wesson also. 
     Perfect single covers - unknown (so far)


3. -Band Info- 

   3.1  Origin of name 

     Most answers to this question are only semi-serious, as they've heard it
     way too often.  The March '93 fan club newsletter gave the following
     story: 

     "Gene Simmons came to us in a dream and said: 'Joe Strummer is a pumpkin,
     drunken and smashed.'" 

     On Vieuphoria, they simply said "It's a joke."  However, the most serious
     answer comes from an interview with D'Arcy by the Washington Post
     (11/19/93): 

     "The name of the band is a stupid name, a dumb bad joke and a bad idea,
     OK?" she says. "Billy named the band before there even was a band. He was
     like, 'I'm gonna have a band and it's gonna be called this.' 'Smashing'
     is not a verb, it's an adjective. It's not like we like to smash pumpkins
     or anything.  And we are not amused by pumpkin jokes anymore." 

     So, there you have it.  "Smashing" is an adjective, not a verb (think
     British here if you're still having trouble).  :) 

   3.2  First appearance 

     Billy and James first appeared in a Polish bar called Track in 1988.
     Their first radio broadcast was on WNUR in Evanston that year.  (Info
     from the March '93 fan club newsletter).  The first gig as a complete
     band was on 07.09.88 (July 9, 1988) at Chicago 21.  This show did not
     include Jimmy, as he had not yet been hired.  It consisted of James,
     D'arcy, and of course, Billy.  Go to
     http://www.xero.com/sp/info/880709.htm for more information on the
     subject.  

   3.3  Short Bios 

     Since everyone MUST know their birthdays, here they are: 

     Billy Corgan: March 17, 1967 
     D'Arcy: May 1, 1968 
     James Iha: March 26, 1968 
     Jimmy Chamberlin (former drummer): June 10, 1964 

     For people obsessed with looking through old high school yearbooks: Billy
     went to Glenbard North in Carol Stream, IL, James went to Elk Grove
     Village HS, IL, and D'Arcy went to L.C. Mohr in South Haven, MI.  

   3.4  Recording sessions 

     As you may have heard, most of the recording for Siamese Dream was done
     by Billy (drums excluded).  His reasoning: "I was obsessed to meet a
     standard that was beyond our capability. I was more concerned about
     technical efficiency than heart."  The MCIS sessions were "a joy,
     compared to the tense Siamese Dream recording," and all members worked
     collectively.  

     For information pertaining to when and where particular songs and
     albums were recorded, consult the Recording Sessions, by Jesse
     Miller: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/millerbull/

   3.5  Equipment 

     I'm not an equipment expert (I don't even have an electric guitar), so I
     can't provide detailed lists of everything you'll need to perfectly
     imitate that pumpkin sound.  However, you should be able to find plenty
     of articles dealing with such technical aspects of the band, most likely
     from guitar magazines.  The intro articles at the beginning of the
     tablature books for SD and MCIS are also of interest.  Try Nikki's
     Newsstand at: http://www.simplnet.nikki.com/nikki/   

     Also, the SP Guitar and Amp Settings Archive has lots of great info,
     at: http://www.smashing-pumpkins.org/forever 

   3.5a Special effects 

     One of the cool effects I -can- explain is the 'reverse echo' used on the
     "bang bang" part of Silverfuck, as well as other songs.  The track is
     recorded, then flipped backwards, and echo/reverb is added.  It's then
     flipped back to forwards, so the effect is that of echoing -into- the
     note.  Pretty cool, eh? :)  This is also heavily used by the Cure.  

   3.5b EBow 

     An EBow (electronic/electromagnetic bow) is a small, hand-held magnetic
     device that causes guitar strings to vibrate continuously, resulting in a
     long, sustained tone.  These are used most notably on Sinfony, Soma, &
     Drown.  James  uses EBows a lot live, on songs like Shame, & Porcelina.
     There's even a web site for EBows at http://www.ebow.com.  

   3.6  Personal info for the prying fan 

     I'm not about to invade their privacy, but here's what they (apparently)
     don't mind letting us know via press, etc.: 

     D'Arcy was involved with James for a while in the early days of the band.
     She is now married to Kerry Brown, drummer of Catherine. 

     Billy is separated from former wife Chris, and is dating photographer/
     director Yelena Yemchuk.  

   3.7  Sun Times' tiff 

     A Chicago Sun Times reviewer, Jim DeRogatis, gave SP a few bad reviews,
     saying of Hummer, for example, "the lyrics are sophomoric, and the song
     is stupid."  This got him barred from attending the Double Door shows.
     Some of Billy's statements on this can be heard on the "Drown" bootleg.  

   3.8  Silly rumors (Small Wonder, Sea Monkeys, etc.) 

     Every once in a while, someone will resurrect a really stupid rumor (see
     "Troll" under 1.5).  No, Billy was not in the TV show "Small Wonder" (the
     character of Jamie Lawson was played by Jerry Supiran, if you must know),
     and who cares if Marilyn Manson supposedly had him snort Sea Monkeys
     (Manson even admitted later that that was a joke)?  Such rumors aren't
     even worth bringing up (so please don't).  

   3.9  SP Fan Club 

     The "fan club" started when the Siamese Dream liner notes included the
     words "smashing pumpkins fan club information" next to their PO box
     address (which was different on both releases of Gish).  Since then,
     there have been a few newsletters & t-shirt order forms, but the one
     person running it (Laura Ann) is a bit more enthusiastic than the rest of
     the band, who hasn't been giving her stuff to send out.  For now, Laura
     serves mainly to read their mail, attempt to answer basic questions, and
     sell T-shirts.  Until further notice, however, it may be wise to hold off
     on "joining," since the $3 "membership" fee isn't really going anywhere.
     But if you don't mind sending money to someone to send off to an
     accountant somewhere or if you just feel like sending mail, the address
     is: 

     SPFC, PO Box 578010, Chicago, IL 60657. 
     

   3.10 Contacting the band 

     Send all meaningful mail to the address listed above.  Try to hold back
     on short, meaningless messages like "You rule!", as they've already
     gotten tons of those already.  Do NOT send mail to (or visit) their
     homes, and do not ask for their home addresses.  Have some respect for
     their privacy. 

     As for email, there's no such address.  If the band had a publicly-
     available email address, it would be instantly flooded, requiring a large
     staff to read it all.  If any members were to have email addresses, they
     would be for personal/business reasons, so keep that in mind before
     asking for them.


4. -Merchandise- 

   4.1  Pricing/finding rarities 

     Since prices vary from area to area, and everything changes over time, I
     can't give any pricing info here.  If something sounds too expensive, ask
     why.  If you doubt the numbers they're giving you, check around. 

     Finding items is also equally impossible for me to do, as I cannot give
     everyone in every city the name and address of a place nearby that'll
     have what they're looking for.  But, as is suggested by Dave Asselin,
     check out the Goldmine magazine, which includes tons of trader info, or
     visit their web site at http://www.krause.com/goldmine/ 

   4.2  Books 

     There are several books available on SP.  Here's the info: 

     Title:  Smashing Pumpkins 
     Author: Nick Wise 
     Pub:    Omnibus Press/Book Sales Ltd. 
     ISBN:   0-7119-4166-1 
     Notes:  48 pages, color photos on each page. 
     Price:  ~$12 

     Title:  Smashing Pumpkins 
     Author: Jim Stapleton 
     Pub:    Carlton Books/Music Book Services 
     ISBN:   1-85868-068-9 
     Notes:  120 pages, same size as a CD 
     Price:  ~$10 

     Title:  Smashing Pumpkins - A Tear-Out Photo Book 
     Author: none 
     Pub:    Oliver Books 
     ISBN:   1-870049-92-6 
     Notes:  20 full-page photos, text on opposite sides 
     Price:  ~$12 

     Title:  Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream 
     Author: Aaron Stang 
     Pub:    CPP Belwin, Inc. 
     ISBN:   0-89898-825-X 
     Notes:  Guitar tablature book, with intro and comments on each song by
             BC. 
     Price:  $20 

     Title:  Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness 
     Author: Andy Aledort & Hemme Luttjeboer 
     Pub:    Warner Bros. 
     ISBN:   1-57623-339-1 
     Notes:  Guitar tablature book, includes 'Guitar Geek USA' articles written 
             by BC for Guitar World 
     Price:  $30 

        Note:  The Adore guitar tab book has been released within the past
        few weeks, but as of yet, I do not have any information pertaining
        to it.  If anyone has the info that's available for the above
        books, I would be very appreciative if I could obtain that said
        info. 
          

   4.3  T-Shirts 

     NOTE:  T-shirts for the Adore Tour have not yet been archived.  If you
     have any of these shirts, please send a  description to
     michaelh@ualberta.ca.  Thanks.

     Here's a text-based description of the t-shirts, roughly in order of 
     appearance: 

     1. Devil shirt - Black with red/purple devil and gold glitter.  Back says
     "Mission To Mars". 

     2. Angel shirt - White with blue/silver angel & globe.  Back says
     "Altitude Not Attitude". 

     3. Gish picture shirt - White with b/w picture from inside Gish liner,
     with white "Smashing Pumpkins" and "gish" text from the cover. 

     4. SP Heart shirt - White with red/black SP heart logo.  One version has
     city scene on back, with SD song titles as neon signs, other version has
     the following text: 

     this is a smashing pumpkins t-shirt.  rather than ask me why i'm wearing
     this ask yourself why am i reading this?  the message is there is no
     message.  one million souls tossing down their hard earned lettuce for a
     piece of the hot rock indie alternative pie.  i've sold out.  how about
     you?  everybody's doing it even if they say they're not.  don't ask me
     cause i don't know.  rock saves.  it's the next big thing.  have you
     heard the next big thing?  i'm part of the revolution.  it's all coming
     down soon.  hope you're there. 

     5. Disarm Smile shirt - White with red/black "Smile" picture on front,
     1993-4 tour dates on back. 

     6. Siamese Dream cover shirt - White with SD promo poster (2 girls, one
     with a popsicle).  Back has either tour dates for Midwest tour, or for
     entire fall tour. 

     7. Star shirt - Black with red star & "smashing pumpkins" written in
     white in the SD font.  Back says "just say maybe". 

     8. Clown shirt 1 - Red with green clown in blue oval, 'smashing pumpkins'
     written around inside of oval. 

     9. Clown shirt 2 - Black with white/yellow clown, red stars, etc.  Back
     has partial songlist in yellow & green. 

     10. Spaceboy shirt - Purple, with orange cartoon astronaut.  Back has
     part of Starla lyrics. 

     11. MCIS shirt - Navy blue, MCIS cover image on front, back cover on
     back.  Tie-dyed version also available. 

     12. Blue SP Heart shirt - Navy blue with white SP heart logo outline. 

     13. Liner pic shirt - Black with picture of rabbits & rats smoking, white
     skull on back. 

     14. Discs shirt - MCIS CD images on front (pink/blue circles), tour dates
     on back. 

     15. ZERO shirt - Black with silver "ZERO" and star, small silver SP heart
     on left sleeve.  Short or long-sleeved. 

     16. "Leave Me Alone" shirt - White with sketched smiley faces in a spiral
     with red bar codes on their foreheads.  Back says "Leave Me Alone" in red
     1979 font 

     17. Black SP Heart shirt - Black with silver SP heart logo.  Back says
     "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" and includes a tracklist. 

     18. Vegas Logo shirt - Black with "Smashing Pumpkins" written in a
     neon-like cursive, orange with yellow outline & dots.  Background has
     silver stars and a planet. 

     19. "World is a Vampire" shirt - Black with large silver frowning face
     with fangs & horns, says "the world is a vampire" in MCIS liner font.
     Back says "The Smashing Pumpkins Infinite Sadness Tour" in the Mellon
     Collie font. 

     20. Baby Doll shirt -  White with red SP heart logo.  One size "Grrrl"
     shirt.  

     21. Thermal heart shirt - Black long-sleeve thermal-textured shirt with
     silver & white embroidered SP heart logo 

     Older shirts are going to be somewhat difficult to track down, but they
     can be found.  If you can't find anything anywhere, you can ordering the
     shirts 15-21 from the 'fan club'.  Indicate size (L or XL, except for
     #21, which is XL only, and for #20) and sleeve-length for Zero shirt.
     Shirts are $20 each, except long-sleeve Zero shirts are $25, and thermal
     shirts are $30.  S&H included.  Make check or money order to "Smashing
     Pumpkins" and send in order to PO Box 578010, Chicago, IL 60657. 

   4.4  Videos 

     There are videos out for the following songs:  Siva; Rhinoceros; Cherub
     Rock; Disarm; Today; Rocket; Bullet with Butterfly Wings; 1979; Zero;
     Tonight, Tonight; Thirty-Three; The End is the Beginning is the End; Ava
     Adore; and Perfect.

     Of course, MTV plays the most recent ones the most often (they're usually
     put into heavy rotation when they're first released), but occasionally
     you can catch one of the older ones late at night. 

     Brief descriptions of the videos: 

     Siva - band playing in a room, candles, flowers, weird makeup, etc. 

     Rhino - band sitting & playing different instruments in a room, D'Arcy
     bouncing a ball, reverse footage, ornate fountains, & shots of the
     members outside 

     Cherub Rock - band playing outside in the dark by some trees, weird color
     effects, lighting diagrams, etc. 

     Disarm - black & white, closeups of members playing, aerial shots of
     buildings, etc. 

     Today - Billy drives through a desert in an ice cream truck, picks up
     James (wearing a dress), stops at a gas station & finds other 2 members,
     they paint the truck all funky & then drive off, leaving Billy 

     Rocket - a few kids build a rocket out of junk, blast off from their back
     yard, and land on another planet to find SP as an elderly band 

     Bullet - band plays on a stage in the middle of a dry dirt field full of
     dirty workers.  Billy has on the infamous Zero shirt & silver pants 

     1979 - shows a bunch of kids driving around, going to a party (at which
     SP is playing), wreaking havoc, and ransacking a convenience store 

     Zero - dark colors, strange-looking people in odd makeup, closeups of
     band, etc.  Rarely played 

     Tonight Tonight - made to look like an old movie (flickery lights, etc.)
     includes recreation of George Melies' 1902 film "A Trip to the Moon", one
     of the first films to use special effects 

     Thirty-Three - various shots done in stop-motion style, creating a jerky
     effect.  Includes Billy by sunset and painting, and trio in suits 

     TEITBITE - space-age costumes & props, members floating around, with
     shots from Batman and Robin in the background Ava Adore - band is dressed
     up in Gothic costumes (Billy with long gown, heavy red eye make-up and
     white face...).  Camera follows them through different rooms. 

     Perfect - a so-called sequel to the 1979 video.  A girl gets pregnant,
     some guy tapes a Pumpkin  show (very cool), the tape falls off his car
     when driving, then he gets in an accident.

     For much more detailed descriptions of the videos, consult Marci's FWQ
     (Frequently Wondered Questions) file, found at:
     http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6663/FWQ.html 

   4.5  "Bootlegs" 

     A bootleg can refer to one of two things: 1) an audience recording,
     traded around by fellow fans, or 2) a CD manufactured by a company not
     connected to the band, containing live or unreleased studio tracks.  In
     both cases, the band makes no profit from these, while in the latter
     case, someone else -does-.  CD boots, usually listed as "imports",
     generally run for $20-30, and can be somewhat difficult to track down
     (i.e. you won't find them at any large chain stores).  Tapes recorded by
     fans are most often traded for other tapes, although some traders sell
     their tapes for cost.  For more info, check out the FAQ for
     alt.music.bootlegs. 

   4.6  Trading 

     The best way to trade is to have your list available on the web, and then
     to post to the list or newsgroup with the URL.  It's usually not good to
     post a huge list to Listessa, although the newsgroup will do fine if you
     don't have web space.  After that, just wait for people to email you with
     trade offers, as there isn't much else you can do.  Posting your list
     every day or week is -not- a good idea, and will usually just turn people
     away or get you killfiled. 

     There is also a large trading area set up on the Smashing Pumpkins
     Collection site: http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/

   4.7  Tape Trees
          
       Recently, the Smashing Pumpkins Live Recording Association (SPLRA) 
     has either set up, or sponsored a number of "tape trees".  This began
     with the Bridge School Benefit concert in October 1997.  The show was
     taped, and the master was donated to the SPLRA for a tape tree.  

       For those of you who don't know what a "tape tree" is, it's
     essentially like a family tree.  The seed (someone with a good
     quality, master or 1st generation tape) posts to the newsgroup and
     Listessa, looking for "branches" and "leaves".  Once the allotted 
     time for sign-up to the tree has expired, the branches send one blank
     tape and a few dollars for postage to the seed.  The seed then dubs 
     the tapes for the branches and returns them.  The branches each do
     the same for their leaves, which they have been assigned. 

     For a better, description, go to http://www.tapetrading.com/treehouse/
     For more information on the goodness that is the SPLRA, go to:
     http://www.starla.org/splra/
   


5. -News/Info/Net Resources- 

   5.1  Brief history/landmark events 

     1988/89- band forms, plays around Chicago, releases demo tapes 
     1990- I Am One 7", Tristessa 7" and 12" released 
     1991- Gish & Lull released; tour with Red Hot Chili Peppers & Pearl Jam 
     1992- "Singles" soundtrack; Reading Festival 
     1993- Siamese Dream released, selling millions; major tour 
     1994- band headlines Lollapalooza; Pisces Iscariot released 
     1995- Double Door concerts; another Reading Festival appearance; 
           MCIS released, outselling SD 
     1996- American Music Awards; Simpsons "Hullabalooza" appearance; 
           major tour; keyboardist dies, drummer fired (see 5.3); band 
           wins 7 MTV Video Music Awards; Ransom & Lost Highway soundtracks; 
           TAFH box set released 
     1997- Batman & Robin soundtrack; European festival concerts 
     1998- Adore released (June 2).  Short promo tour follows. 

     For a more detailed chronology, check out the one at Starla.org: 
     http://www.starla.org/crono/ 

   5.2  Double Door info 

     In February of 1995, the pumpkins played 4 shows (21, 22, 27 and 28th) at
     the Double Door bar in Chicago.  The shows cost $5 each, all of which
     went to charity. The sets consisted entirely of new material from the
     then-upcoming MCIS and its B-sides, and a few b-sides were played as
     encores.  A few songs played have not been released: "Country Girl" (by
     James), "Speed" (which appears briefly in Pastichio Medley), and "Towers
     of Rabble".  While security was extremely tight, someone was able to
     record the 21st and the 27th, although the quality on each of these is
     quite poor.  There is another, much better recording of the 21st show,
     although it's not a full set and a few songs are cut.  

   5.3  The keyboard/drummer events 

     In the summer of '95, the Chicago Reader ran an ad by the Pumpkins,
     seeking a touring keyboardist.  5-minute tape auditions (with a "please,
     no pumpkins songs" condition) were to be turned in by July 14th.  On
     August 18, Entertainment Weekly ran the following: 

     "...aspiring Pumpkins needn't wait by the phone.  Two months later, a
     refrigerator box full of cassettes graces Chicago's Soundworks studios,
     and there's not a listening station in sight. 'We've been too busy to
     deal with them,' says Iha. 'I don't want to listen to a bunch of wack
     keyboard players. It sounds like a nightmare to me.'" 

     The position was filled by Jonathan Melvoin, who played keyboards and
     acted as a second drummer for Silverfuck.  He also appeared with SP on
     the American Music Awards. 

     On July 12, 1996, Jonathan was found dead from a heroin overdose.  He and
     drummer Jimmy Chamberlin had shot up the previous night, and Jimmy awoke
     to find Jonathan dead.  Jimmy was charged with misdemeanor heroin
     possession, and the rest of the band were taken in for questioning, and
     later released.  All tour dates through July 27th were postponed.  A few
     days later, the band released a statement saying that Jimmy would no
     longer be the band's drummer. 

     Private/closed auditions were held a while later to find a replacement
     drummer for the remainder of the tour.  Matt Walker, former touring
     drummer for Filter, took over.  While auditioning for Filter, he
     reportedly dropped a drumstick and finished with one- he was hired
     immediately.  Dennis Flemion, founding member and drummer/keyboardist of
     The Frogs, was chosen to be the replacement keyboardist.  A press release
     was issued on August 8th.  The band played a surprise warmup show at the
     Metro on August 23rd with the two new touring members, and resumed the
     MCIS tour after that.  

     During the recording of Adore, SP used several drummers, including
     Joey Waronker (Beck), Matt Walker (MCIS tour, Cupcake), and Matt
     Cameron (Soundgarden).  Drum machine programming was done by Bon
     Harris of Nitzer Ebb.

     For the recent Adore tour, the band hired a decent-sized backup band
     that consists of drummer Kenny Arnoff, keyboardist Mike Garson, and
     percussionists Stephen Hodges and Dan Morris.  

   5.4  Tour info 

     Tour dates are kept current at the Smashing Pumpkins Live Recording
     Association.  Go to http://www.starla.org/splra/ for more information.

     Occaisional special concerts (ie: opening for Kiss on Halloween) are
     still slowly coming out of the woodwork and will be put up on Josh
     Provost's site (the Smashing Pumpkins Live Recording Association,
     SPLRA) when they become available. 

   5.5  IRC info 

     There are several IRC channels for pumpkin-heads: #smashing_pumpkins on
     Undernet, #smashing_pumpkins and #pumpkins on EFnet, and
     #smashing-pumpkins on DALnet.  To use IRC, you must have a client
     program.  For more info, check out the mIRC homepage at
     http://www.mirc.com
   
   5.6  Web links for cool stuff 

     Since there are hundreds of web sites devoted to SP, it may be difficult,
     at first, to find what you're looking for.  Here are the best sites I'm
     aware of for specific features: 

     Tour info - http://www.starla.org/splra/
     Tour history - http://www.xero.com/sp/index.htm 
     News, articles - http://www.nikki.simplenet.com/ 
     Trading - http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/
     Links - http://www.starla.org/ 
     Listessa - http://www.tdl.com/~andrewm/listessa/ 
     Discog (visual) - http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/ 
     Discog (text info) - http://www.xero.com/sp/spdiscog.txt 
     Bootlist - http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/~daher/boot.html 
              - http://www.starla.org/jackboot/
     Tab - http://www.starla.org/PumpkinSoup
     General - http://www.smashingpumpkins.org 
             - http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net

     If you're creating a new site, keep in mind that simply copying someone
     else's site is NOT a good idea, as you will likely get a lot of
     complaints.  Try to come up with something novel and original, and
     remember that content is more important than how many "hits" you get.  Do
     -not- post your URL 10 times a day to the newsgroup.  Announcing it only
     once upon creation, or after a time of extreme upgrade/change, and
     including the URL in your .sig is the best way to go.  If it's good,
     people will visit it.  If not, perhaps it could use some improvement. :) 

   5.7  Other recommended sources 

     Frequently Wondered Questions - written as a supplement to this FAQ by
     Marci.  Found at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6663/FWQ.html 

     Discography - exhaustive text version maintained by Dave Asselin,
     contains everything you wanted to know about every official SP release.
     http://www.xero.com/sp/spdiscog.txt 
     
                 - in depth visual discography has a scan of every known
     release.  Even has a lot of bootleg scans. 
     http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/discography/disco.html

     Bootlist - includes tracklists & info on all known bootleg CDs. 
     http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/~daher/boot.html    Text-based (by Karl Daher) 
     http://www.starla.org/jackboot/  HTML-based (oh, it's very hi-tech)
     

6. -Miscellaneous/Semi-Related- 

   6.1  Starchildren 

     The Starchildren is a side-project band consisting of Billy and various
     other people.  There have also been "secret" pumpkin shows under the
     name.  Starchildren have released a split 7" with Catherine (Delusions of
     Candor/ Flight of the Eagle, b/w Songs About Girls), and covered
     "Isolation" for the Joy Division tribute album, "Means to an End." 

     Rotating members of Starchildren have included James, Jimmy, and D'Arcy,
     Bob English, and Mark Rew, Neil Jendon, Cliff Fox, and Kerry Brown of
     Catherine.  Starchildren has not made an appearance as of late.  

   6.2  Catherine 

     Catherine is, unfortunately, usually thought of as "D'Arcy's husband's
     band."  However, despite poor marketing from TVT, they're definitely a
     cool band to check out.  The band consists of Mark Rew (guitar/vocals),
     Fever (guitar), Gus (percussion/keyboards), Keith Brown (bass), and Kerry
     Brown (drums).  Former members include Neil Jendon, Jerome Brown, and
     Cliff Fox. 

     Catherine's releases are: the split 7" with Starchildren (Songs About
     Girls/Delusions of Candor - TVT 4612-7); the Sparkle/Charmed (for Taylor)
     7" on Limited Potential (LimP 011); an EP "Sleepy" (March Records MAR
     005, reissued TVT 4610); Songs About Girls/It's No Lie 7" on Rough Trade
     (45rev35); and albums "Sorry" (TVT 4620-2) and "Hot Saki & Bedtime
     Stories" (TVT 9020-2).   There's also a track "End of Something" on the
     Absolute Middle of Nowhere #17 compilation.  Videos are available for
     It's No Lie, Songs About Girls, Saint, and Four-Leaf Clover. 

     Earlier releases are very guitar-heavy (3 guitars), and the final songs
     on Sleepy and Sorry feature extended feedback jams similar to "Drown"-
     the latest release is more poppy. 

     Billy Corgan co-produced the 2 7" releases and Sleepy EP.  D'Arcy sings
     on "Four-Leaf Clover" and "Punch Me Out" from "Hot Saki & Bedtime
     Stories", on which James Iha & Jimmy Chamberlin are also credited for
     "additional equipment".  "Blew Away" (Disarm (smile) single, Pisces
     Iscariot) features Kerry Brown on drums.  Kerry is also a co-owner of
     Scratchie Records, and has helped record and produce a number of SP
     songs. 

     For more info, join the Catherine mailing list (send "subscribe
     catherine" to majordomo@jade-v.com), and/or check out the following web
     sites: 

     http://pages.prodigy.net/heutchy/catherin.htm (includes a FAQ) 
     http://www.halcyon.com/cantwell/cat/catherin.html 
     http://www.smashing-pumpkins.net/catherine/ 
     http://www.catherine.org/ 

   6.3  The Frogs 

     The Frogs are a Milwaukee-based band that Billy is both a fan of and
     close friends with.  Consisting of brothers Jimmy and Dennis Flemion and
     bassist Damian Strigens, The Frogs can best be described as satirical.
     Though largely underground, The Frogs have developed a sort of cult
     following, and their live show is simply unforgettable. 

     The Frogs have opened for the Pumpkins and Pearl Jam, and played second
     stage at Lollapalooza in 1994, with Billy coming out on a few occasions.
     Dennis was chosen as the replacement keyboardist for the pumpkins' MCIS
     tour, and appeared with them from August '96 on.  Jimmy took a roadie job
     with the tour, and came out on stage in his green-sequined, winged
     costume to play along for 1979 and choose audience members to dance on
     stage. 

     The Frogs have released 2 albums ("It's Only Right And Natural",
     Homestead [HMS169-2], and "My Daughter the Broad", Matador [ole 155-2]),
     several 7" singles ("Now You Know You're Black", "Here Comes Santa's
     Pussy", and a split 7" with Wesley Willis), a cover of Pearl Jam's
     "rearviewmirror" (found on PJ's "Immortality" CDS), and an EP "Starjob"
     on Scratchie Records [314 534 838-2], produced by Billy Corgan. 

     The pumpkins' home video, Vieuphoria, includes a brief "Meet the Frogs"
     segment, including bits of live shows, and featuring excerpts of "Homos"
     and "I Only Play 4 Money" (found on