This section of my website is dedicated to my friends* over at Ted Nugents official message board**.
Please Note: Any of my responses below are solely my opinion. If you don't like it, I'm sorry but I refuse to bend my thoughts to accomodate something I don't believe in. I don't believe in (agree with, or like) hunting, and will make that known. This page is posted partly for entertainment purposes (feel free to laugh at some of these insane comments) and partly to give factual information. If you take any of the below out of context, it's your own fault.
In light of Ted Nugents latest killing spree, I decided to go to his official message board and tell him what I thought. Below is what I posted. For attention-getting purposes, I used the name 'Hunter'. The peoples replies are in italics. Mine are in plain font.
'Hey All, I don't know if Ted Nugent himself will read this board, but I'll write it anyway. A few years ago, the thought of hunting never bothered me - I didn't see anything wrong with killing an animal... and the fact that it seemed to bring people joy, made things seem better. Well... its now 2001 and so many things have changed for me. Most importantly - I'm now an animal rights activist. As years have passed and I've become smarter, it occurred to me that hunting is wrong - period. Whenever I hear someone talking about hunting, I want to replace the word 'hunt' with 'murder' - its a more accurate description. I didn't come onto this board to preach to you... that won't work. What the animal rights movement DOESN'T need is someone rambling on and coming off as psycho - because we're not. We care and want to make that known to everyone. Hunting is unacceptable. Thats all I'll post here. As an ending, I'll leave you with this: Next time you murder an animal, I want you to think of the fear/torture and agony you put it through. I want you to know that what you just killed was a living, breathing being..and like it or not, it had feelings - just like you. I hope you go to sleep at night knowing that you Murdered an innocent animal and I hope you feel guilty for the rest of your life. Hunter (actually, I'm an activist)'
No more than a few minutes later, and I already had my first reply:
From Big Al: 'Thank you... I can't stop laughing!!! I just finshed a delicous venison dinner and you reminded me of what the deer told me right before I 'murdered' her. She told me she has two children and a college education to please have mercy on her. So i let her go and brought home some roadkill that appeared to be only a day or two old. It was a little chewy, but i added more spices to cover the tang. I can't stop laughing. '
As you can see, the intellectual level of this thread has already significantly degraded. Read on for more:
From tsodders: 'Well partner I honestly for the life of me can not understand how you can put an animal on the same levle as a human. I do think about every animal before it is harvested. If it's a dry doe, if it is presenting a good clean shot? And I thank the good lord for putting it here to help provide for my family. As far as suffering goes. I've made shots on deer with a bow that have expired in a matter of seconds. I've also shot them and they didn't even know they were hit as they went down. Have you ever saw an animal starving? now that's suffering. Hunters and their organizations have done more for wildlife than other groups combined. I am wondering what happened to make you change your mind and feel like you do. The next time your enjoying the geat outdoors. remember to thank a hunter. 'Wildlife by managment not emotions'
I'm very disturbed by the first comment from tsodders. This guy can't understand how humans and animals could possibly be on the same level?? Obviously hes never spent time with a living, breathing animal....because if he did, he'd realize that ANIMALS LIVE, BREATH, FEEL AND THINK!! If thats not reason enough to treat them with respect, I don't know what is!
The next letter from Mtn.man is slightly amusing: '....Well it is obvious that you have never spent anytime in the woods.Fear, torture,? You have never seen an animal that is starving to death becuase there is to many of them.You have never seen a buffalo walk on to thin ice fall in and then swim for hours only to die a cruel and cold death. You should see the fear in his eyes. You hvae never seen a big cat take down a fawn over and over again as if it were a game, torture....'
Well Mtn.man, as a matter of fact - I grew up practically living in the woods....and Yes, I have seen animals starving and drowning. Its horrible. I've also seen animals being shot and thats no better! I have also seen a big cat take down its prey... you have to remember though - the animal is relying on instinct at that point. It can't run out to the nearest grocery store and buy a head of lettuce or a bag of carrots because it's hungry. You can!!!!
From Chenille39: 'Hunter, just why are you a member here? So you can rant and rave and call us hunters 'murderers'? You picked the nickname 'Hunter' so we would pay attention to your post correct? OUR MISTAKE. Mtnman makes a good point. Hunters go by the mottos, 1 shot - 1 kill and clean kill.'
Chenille39, in case it hasn't struck you yet - I became a member at Ted Nugents board for 1 reason only - to post against hunting. I got my point across and thats all I wanted to do. If you don't like it, so what? I don't like that you get enjoyment out of murdering an animal! Hunters go by the mottos?? Which hunters are those Chenille39?? The ones that illegally tag deer (read the article I posted in my articles section), the ones that shoot out of season? or the ones that leave an animal to die in the woods alone when it was shot, but not killed?
'However, Mtnman is right, these big cats DO play and torture their prey before ending its life. '
And what do you call stalking an animal and than murdering it? A joyride?
'Are you PETA freaks gonna start trying to prevent wild cats from doing what they are born to do??'
Sorry Chenille39, but I'm not with PETA. They're a great organization and if caring for an animal means someone is a freak - than there are millions of freaks worldwide!!
'Incidentally, you don't say whether or not you eat meat. I'll bet you do! 'Did anything I posted earlier register with you? I finish telling you that murdering an animal is wrong and you say I eat meat! Do me a favor honey, and go back to grade school where you belong!
From leforrest: "THE FOOD YOU EAT BLEEDS TOO! '
This has gotta be the funniest comment I've received yet!! Get this: Vegetables bleed!!!! hahahaha - Whatever dude. Nice try at a comeback, but at least the food I eat doesn't stare at me through the trees and blink at me before I brutually murder it!
From glodak: 'Well 'Hunter', Since you have become enlightened to the plight of furry critters everywhere, why are you, and the rest of the enlightened, not donating millions of dollars every year to wildlife conservation and habitat management.'
Personally, I don't donate money to wildlife conservation and habitat management - I donate time. When I'm involved with animal rights, that's time when I could be working in a paying job.... but I'm not. There are lots of people who donate money to save animals... and more power to them.... but there are also different ways of going about it.
From wallybowman 'Which is more humane? (1) shoot the animal- clean kill-dead in a few seconds (2) animal gets hit by a car-back leg(s) get broken-deer crawls off road and starves to death or eaten (alive) by predators (3)animal is literally eaten alive-I'm sure you've watched the nature shows (4)winter comes or overpopula- tion-animal(s) die of starvation. answer this question honestly but you can't and won't because your kind never can and never has when I ask this question.
You cannot guarantee you'll kill the deer instantly - nobody can wallybowman, so you can end that thought right there! As to animals getting hit by vehicles... thats sad.... but think of it this way: If hunters weren't stalking animals and making them run for their lives, they wouldn't be running out onto the road in the first place. Wild animals, by nature, want nothing to do with humans. When you..the human, invade the animals territory, you force them out and they go elsewhere... sadly, that usually means running across a busy road. No death is humane... but why add to it?!
From Holly 'Before I married my husband, I 'used' to be an anti-hunter. Then I educated myself on this 'thing' that took him away from me and found out that what he was doing was actually a GOOD thing. It is a natural thing. It is a necessary thing. After we were married, he became a member of TNWB. I thought Ted was just a cocky SOB until I met him. Then I realized that even though he IS a cocky SOB, he knows what he's talking about.'
Hunting is not necessary. If it was, than vegetarians and a lot of other non-hunters would be dead by now... but they're not!! People can survive and be healthy on vegetables alone - as long as all of the vitamin/mineral requirements are met - which isn't that hard to do! You are right about one thing though: Ted Nugent IS a cocky SOB!
From Sammy: 'hunter do you throw rocks at people fishing like the peta people do when they want to hit fishermen in the head and kill them!? '
I don't throw rocks at anyone - nor do I join along with violent protests. The goal of an animal rights activist is to end un-necessary suffering... not create more. If you want to throw accusations around, this certainly is not the place to do it.... although, I'm sure PETA would be interested to know who's spreading viscious rumors.
From shotgunjohn: 'For you to say that death from hunting is somehow less humane I can only assume that you have never hunted and that you have probably never watched an animal actually die of ' natural causes'. I suggest you take a good hard look at why you are really against hunting, because it looks to me like you are just denying the death that your own existence causes and are trying to lay the guilt on someone else. '
You're right - I have never, and will never hunt. I have seen animals die of natural causes and no, its not nice to watch. Hunting is NOT a natural cause though. I am against hunting because it is legal murder. I'm not denying anything here, I just don't get any enjoyment out of murdering an animal.
From Toxygen: 'My right to hunt an animal comes from the fact that humans were given dominion over the Earth. '
I won't spend a lot of time on these questions because I have more important things to do with my time... I just wanted to show you, the reader, what kind of people have access to a loaded weapon and can't think straight! Now, onto the answer: Humans were not GIVEN dominion (def: supreme authority or control) over this earth. In the beginning, animals had free run here... and than we stepped in.... we invaded their land, and now look at the outcome - its pretty horrific if you ask me. We invaded the animals land, and now some of us are murdering the animals. How nice....
From Craig 'She exemplifies the stereo type of the animal rights FANATIC!What can I say I tried ,she is impossible to communicate with,a clear example of who we must watch for! '
If the word Fanatic means a caring person who doesn't believe in animal murder, than Yes, I am a fanatic. Simply put: I care because you don't!
From judyology: 'Obviously you've never known hard times...If you had known them....I can promise... you wouldn't want just potatoes and carrots.'
Judyology - As a matter of fact, I have been through hard times before... I'd have to say that almost everyone on this planet has. I also used to eat meat... Now I don't because I know better. If you'll refer to my website for more information, a vegetarian diet is much more healthier than a meat-based diet.
From zmann 'I noticed that 'Hunters' email address is dressagelover@iwon.com. In the dictionary: dres-sage. n. the art of training a horse in obedience and in precision of movement. I am sure 'Hunter' owns a horse (enslaves) and I am sure she will be able to justify that ownership (lies to suit herself). If you have ever been to PETA's web site you would read that the captivity of an animal is unallowable by their description. '
No, I don't own a horse. Would I if I had the chance? Hell Yes! One thing I've noticed about all you murderers, is that PETA seems to be the only organization you've heard about. News Flash: There is more than 1 A.R. organization throughout the world! For now, I ride at a stable. (sarcasm on) Heres how I ABUSE the horse I ride: First.... I TORTURE her by putting a lightweight saddle on her back, then I FORCE her to carry me for an hours worth of exercise. Afterwards, I DRAG her to the water trough and MAKE her drink. A few hours later, I SHOVE feed down her throat. (sarcasm off) I agree somewhat with what PETA does, however, I also have a life to live. If you want to get that picky, than dog ownership/cat ownership/etc... is out of the question. And by your standards, I abuse those too!
From Okie: 'As we all know, the anti's are sneaky and deranged. Useing hunter was to get you to read that garbage. Most of 'those' types have the mistaken impression that animals have the same feeling, emotions, and consciousness as humans. They don't, never have, never will. God created those creatures for our use. '
Animal rights activists are sneaky and deranged?? Well, if thats true, than hunters are completely incapable of thought, reason or feeling. Pretty accurate thought, isn't it?! I'd hate to think you were an animal-owner...and if you are, I truly feel sad for your pets.... they don't have feelings, emotions and consciousness, remember?!
From ilv2hnt: '....if you don't like hunters or hunting then keep those OPINIONS to yourself.
Keeping my opinions to myself won't change anything for the good, now would it?! If you want to use that reasoning - than Auschwitz would still be around. Nobody should've spoken up about that, right?! I refuse to hide behind my keyboard because a few arrogant murderers decide to tell me to leave.... I'd also be saying the same thing to your face if I had the chance!
From NYWHITETAILHUNTER: 'remember our hunting rights and abilities the next time your auto premiums go threw the roof because we cant controll the whitail population .if it werent for us hunters you couldnt afford auto insurance!'
Whatever... NYWHITETAILHUNTER.... Whatever. Now are you gonna come back to reality for a second and realize that nature has a way of taking care of itself? Hunters are NOT a natural way of controlling the population, so don't give me that line either. The earth was doing fine before hunters stepped in.
From BrainShot: 'If you persist in name calling, I will go find a baby seal...and club it to death like the stupid guy I am.'
Name Calling? All I did was tell you what you really where! Just because I use the word murderer instead of hunter, you fly off the handle? If you're that insecure about what you do, maybe you should stop it! You need serious help buddy, and for your sake - and everyone around you - I hope you get it!
This next post from BrainShot came later on. See how his ideas suddenly changed?
From BrainShot: 'My first response was sarcastic( I wouldn't really club a seal).'
How come you backed out? Did your conscious get you?! or is it just the thought of being arrested and sent to jail for awhile for brutally murdering an innocent animal? I meant what I said before... You seriously do need help!
From Big Al: 'She's 18 years old.Her parents divorced when she was young. Lived with her drunk mother and abusive boyfriend. Became a vegetarian August of 2000. Lives with a friend. Loves horses but doesn't own one(can't afford it). As you can see, it's not worth arguing with a foolish kid. Right now she thinks she is doing something good because she is surrounded by ARA, and she is enjoying the attention she is getting.'
So you did some homework? You found out some information about me... Big Deal! I posted that on my website because I don't mind if people read it. If theres something I don't want you to know, I won't post it - it's as simple as that! I'll be 19 this February and even though I'm younger than most of you, I'm not stupid and I know that murdering an animal is wrong - period. I wouldn't go next door and murder my neighbor so why on earth would I go into the forest and murder an animal? They think, breathe, have feelings and are alive - just like humans. They should be treated with respect, just the same. Do I enjoy the attention I'm getting? Yes. I like that I got peoples attention with my anti-hunt message - that was the whole idea. I wanted people to read it. I am also surrounded by ARA because I chose to be. What better way to make a point, than join a group with your same goals and use that to your advantage?
From zmann: 'The issue that 'Hunter' brought up is important to people. We all know that the AR’s want to take our rights away as hunters. AR’s even attack non-hunters, go to PETA’s web site (www.peta.com) and you will see what I am talking about. So, I am not about to take 'Hunters' opinions lightly. I must admit though that when I read the info about 'Hunter' (from BigAl) I felt sorry for her. I even feel pity for her as far as her maybe having it rough. Nonetheless, she is a legal voter and an activist and someone who if given the chance would take our rights away from us. Ignoring this type of person will not make them go away. If we give up our guard we will lose those things that are important to us.'
Animal Rights is important to me, and millions of other caring, compassionate people. If I were you, I'd stop trying to spread rumors about PETA and start worrying about what will happen to you when you get ill from eating animal flesh, when your cholesterol level goes through the roof and when you'll change your ways and realize that murdering an animal because you 'think' you have to to survive is not only silly, but sadly wrong. I don't need your pity or sympathy either, so spare it! I've survived just fine for the past 18 years and will continue to do so until the day I die... Why is intentional murder important to you? Because you consider the animal a 'thing' instead of a living, breathing being - just like the rest of us? Thats pretty sad....
From Garret:'If you want to eat plants the rest of your life feel free. Just leave me alone. I like a little variety to choose from. If I didn't have meat I dont know what I would do. You animal rights folks say that when I kill a deer or a bear or whatever that it is murder. Well think about that when you pull that next carrott from its roots and peel off its skin to put it in a pot of steaming water or put that tomato in a blender after you have ripped it from its vine. Commonsense will tell you that it is the same dam idea as killing an animal. Yes, I know it may be hard to believe for you that fruits and vegetables are alive to!'
If you didn't have meat, you don't know what you'd do?? How about this: You'd be much healthier (all of that animal fat doesn't sit too well in the arteries, ya know). You'd have a clear conscience (knowing you didn't murder an animal because you felt you had to to survive) and you'd be a lot happier. Feeling better all-around has that effect. Aside from that, you'll be helping the environment. You mentioned that vegetables and fruits are alive. WOW!! WHAT A DISCOVERY!!! I KNOW THAT!! If you think for a minute.. what happens when you rip a leaf or whatever.. off a plant? IT GROWS BACK!! Try that with a pig, or other animal... Wait a minute... Don't try that!! I assure you it won't happen! Vegetables don't breathe or experience pain. ANIMALS DO! My goal (as with other animal activists) is to STOP completely, the needless torture and suffering of animals. Hunting included. If you'll refer to other answers in this section.... Hunting is legal murder and should be banned.
From Dennis Hull:Hunter, as with most of the others I will say that habitat destruction kills more critters than hunters ever thought of. So if you live in a house, work in a building, drive a car, or shop at a mall then you have supported that. I will give you a lengthy example of something I've seen personally. After Bob Barker killed the fur market and hunters and trappers stopped taking racoons and coyotes I witnessed a racoon stumble down a dirt road in the middle of the day. I asked the farmer about it and he said it was distemper and he had been seeing lot's of them like that lately. While out in the woods I began finding coyotes dead with no hair on their bodies. Mange had taken it's toll. This is something that started years ago and is still happening. You see nature is taking its course as you and your supporters would have it. What a horrible prolonged agonizing death these animals suffered. This process being repeated over and over again in the wild. With the human population what it is, there is only so much room for any living being. Nature says survival of the fittest and humans are the top predator in nature. If you and your supporters really want to help the critters you would put a bullit in your head and make room for a couple of coons or coyotes. Bottom line is nature cruel and will control populations in the most cruel ways.
Dennis Hull.... I'm sorry you had to see an animal dying. It's horrible, isn't it? Which brings me to my next point. If you feel so heartfelt (I use the term loosely), than why do you contribute to the murder of another living, breathing being?? (Note to Ted Nugents lemmings: And I'm the one who's supposed to be the hypocrite??!! Whatever.) A natural death can be prolonged and agonizing, I agree... but stalking an animal, terrorizing it and than murdering is no better. Ya know something, I saw a boar being torn to shreds tonight on the TV. 5 dogs surrounding it and 4 hunters to finish it off. There is NOTHING on this world that can justify that as a means of population control.... NOTHING!! As far as putting a gun to my head.. Sorry Dennis, You're SOL. I'm only 19 and will be around for a lot longer than you'd like. Either get used to it, or stop hunting!
From ridethelightning:why r u even in here hunters r lowing the pop
Readers - let me translate this one for you. This person says that hunters are lowering the population. Good observation ridethelightning. That still doesn't make me believe hunting is right. Bottom line: As I've said many a times before, HUNTING IS LEGAL MURDER! B/T/W - Nature has a way of controlling things just fine. Why step in and alter that??
As an end to this, I hope I've opened your eyes a little and helped you realize the true depth of lack of respect for animals within the hunting population.
*I'm being sarcastic here. Forgive me, but it's how I stay sane! **To read the complete posts, Click Here! They were just shortened down for size here. I left the unimportant chatter out.
