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Protein Kim Slagle 1:39 pm tuesday september 5, 2000
Hi Rick,
Just wanted to let you know that I have noticed a correlation between eating protein and decreasing symptoms. Interestingly, turkey meat seems help the most. I call it my Meneires Dinner. I've also noticed that if I go more than 3-4 hours without eating the noise in my ear goes up as well as the chance of a vertigo episode. I try to eat something quickly or take 2.5 mg. of valium. This seems to do the trick.
By the way, I am seeing my Neuro ENT today and am going to see if I can get the "Vertigo-heel" (homeopath med) prescribed to me. I'd like to give it a try since I don't want to end up dependent on valium. Also, it's no fun trying to get that Rx refilled. It seems like people automatically assume you are a "Drug-seeker". Thanks for your message.


Pregnancy Kim Slagle 1:45 pm tuesday september 5, 2000
Hi!
Just wanted to know if anyone out there has been pregnant after they were diagnosed. I am taking diuretics and valium on a daily basis and know that you can't take these drugs while pregnant.
I've also noticed that my symptoms are worse during the PMS times. Makes me wonder how my body would respond.
Any info would be GREATLY appreciated.
Kim


re: help Tim 8:56 pm tuesday september 5, 2000
I am 56 yrs old myself your dads age & have had Meniers for approx 20 yrs. I also have MS, these are autoimmune diseases & you can have more than one at once. I'm lucky the MS rarely bothers me. The meniers is a different story. Ive found out the gym really works for me. I told my ENT doctor that today & he told me it was probably sweating out the salt which is very bad for meniers suffers. I also think it could be helping with blood flow to the inner ear.
Anyway your dad has diabetes to contend with also which I believe the gym would benefit also. In fact I know it would. See if his doctor agrees with this & prompt him to get a program started. The tiredness that I'm sure he feels will lessen after he is able to do a good workout. Also the dizzyness is greatly helped. Im sure it will benefit his blood sugar & diabetes. He's to young to lay down & not fight this.
His diet should be low salt, no caffene & just common sense for a diabetic. Now this may sound strange after preaching to you about diet but wine seems to help me greatly. I checked the carbo's in it & they are low to nil in Chardonnay & cabrenat. But have him ck with his doctor, I don't know what they think about wine & diabetes.
Good luck & let me know how he gets. Like I said Ive been fighting the MS over 30 yrs & the meniers 20 or so & I do fine. I row the boat at the gym, lift weights, treadmill & many more machines. I may go a little overboard, I don't eat beef But I like fish, chicken,& vegies. I take xanax when needed,but other than that, EXERCISE

Tim


re: Cure Kim Slagle 6:32 am thursday september 7, 2000
Hi Greg!
I was just wondering if SERC is the same thing as Verigo Heel? I was able to get a RX for vertigo Heel from my ENT yesterday.
Also, have you heard about Methyltrexate? I know it's an immuno-suppresant, used for cancer. What my ENT proposed was a course of high dose prednisone, which I took in the past, responded to well, (my heariing came back) but whenever I tapered down,the hearing loss and everything else came back. So, finally after a few months and 20 lbs later, I stopped taking it. The prednisone side effects made me crazy and I promised myself I'd never use that medicine again.
My hearing loss has progressed steadily and the attacks come in clusters but irregularily. Thankfully the attacks seem to have decreased in their potency but unfortuneately, I have much less warning.
Thanks for this website....it has helped me tremendously.


re: Vertigo- Low Blood Sugar? jc 11:28 am friday september 8, 2000
Sorry to sound so hard on you, but since when a high protein diet has anything to do with low blood sugar (or hypoglycemia..)??????
What you need to feed yourself are not protein but carbohydrates (slow ones that is), like pasta, bread, potato, etc...
If you are in real trouble: a little trick that I use and has saved me many times from bigger trouble is a slice of bread (slow carbs) with a bit of jam (fast carbs) on top!
But I repeat protein is no use in this... Anyway in order for the body to benefit from protein intake you need to be fed properly with carbos otherwise it is no use...
regards
JC


Surgery Shelley 6:09 pm sunday september 10, 2000
Hi there.
I have been diagnosed with Menieres and was prescribed SERC. So far this has not worked, and I think might have made things worse with regard to the attacks. My doxctor has told me to try different tablets and if these do not work then we might try surgery, Could anyone tell me what types of surgery there are and if you have had them, have they worked? Also, it might be because I am from England, but what is a 'shunt' that I have see you all go on about in previous dicussions?.
Has anyone EVER got over Menieres? I am desperate to know because I have a five month old baby and am having trouble looking after myself nevermind the apple of my eye. I cannot carry on like this, I jsut wish these doctors were more understanding. I don't see them running around looking after a baby whilst in the middle of a dizzy and vomiting spell!


re: Surgery Tim 9:02 pm sunday september 10, 2000
Shelly,
I have had meniers for 20 + years & the 1st thing my ENT doctor told me is don't let anyone operate on your ears. He said he would recommend someone if the symptoms got bad enough. I am so thankfull he gave me that info , because Iv'e heard so many horrer stories about loosing appreciable amounts of hearing after the operation. I can only tell you that stress in my case & many brings on attacks. So the best thing to do in my estimation is take a stress course, yoga etc, join a gym & get exersise ( this helps me very much ). Watch your salt intake ( very imp for some, others say dosen,t matter, but it does cause water retention in the middle ear which is one of the culprets. Alchol they say no , I say it helps relax, I like wine. It is an autoimmune disease of which there are many. I have MS also which is one also, but does not give me any trouble. I consider myself very lucky. I work out 4 times a week at the gym,for 2hrs each,try to eat right low fat, high carbo, not much salt, & sip my wine which I'm doing now. Hope you do ok also.

Tim

PS,
Im a 56 yr old male & have had the symptoms for yrs so don't get excited to much. My doctor said many people actually outgrow them. Let me know how your doing & don't hesitate to let me know if yoy need me.

Again Tim


re: Vertigo- Low Blood Sugar? Rick 9:39 am monday september 11, 2000
I don't don't know what book you've been reading, but I suggest you do a little research on Reactive Hypoglycemia. My understanding of the disorder, as told to me by a physician, which has also been confirmed by everything I have read, is that the carbohydrates and pure sugars overstimulate the pancreas, which then produces too much insulin for the amount of sugar in the blood stream, which then lowers the blood sugar levels. Protiens which are harder to break down than carbs and sugars tend to regulate the insulin output of the pancreas.
I had one vertigo attack early last week when I ate a cookie before lunch. Coincidence? I also got very dizzy last Friday when I had a sub sandwich on a rather large sourdough bun. Another coincidence? Both happened within 15 minutes after ingestion. So your recommending a little carbohydrate loading? I don't think so.
Regards,
Rick


Menieres-possible treatment Henry J. D'Souza 1:16 pm monday september 11, 2000
Dear Tim:
Thank you for sharing your experience with us(meniere's victims). I feel a lot better after hearing that you too are 56years young, my doctor made me feel as if I was aging rapidly.
I have had menieres for about 3 years now, and for the past 2.5 years, have had to take a diuretic everyday. It has helped in the past, but during this past week it hasn't. I had the very dizzy spells, the nausea, just the worst!! One of my daughters' friends came across an article about menieres in one of the "ladies" magazines, and that article mentioned something about a "non-surgical" procedure called "chemical labrinthectomy", have you or any of your website users ever heard of this? I would like to know more about this procedure. From this article, it appears to do away with dizziness, but does it also do away with the hearing? I have an appointment with a new doctor on 13th, if I get to know more about this procedure, I will share the information, but I would not recommend it, it is upto each individual to get their doctor's advice.

Thanks again for sharing


Meniere's symtoms/Hg dental amalgam toxi Karen 9:33 am friday september 22, 2000
Hi,I'm Karen, an RN who's suffered from Meniere's symptoms over several years, with an exacerbation during the last two months. My heart goes out to anyone with this illness....I'm beginning to feel isolation that I've never experienced before (emotional) because this is truly a "silent" disability. That is, unless someone has the misfortune of attending one of the vertigo with N & V attacks. That a fairly obvious disability. Not a pretty sight!
I have recently run across information in my many hours of interet and other research that I've found very intriquing. Many of my symptoms are also consistent with those of heavy- metal toxicity...specifically mercury. I have a mouth-full of fillings with dental amalgam (some are many years old). Has anyone else made this connection? Any experience with doctors on this subject?
Based on what I've read, there really is no definitive blood test to determine the body's mercury burden as there is no "base- line" value. Of course with my "brain fog" in a very active phase, my understanding of that may not be clear.
Any feedback would be appreciated... Thanks


need some help Kris 11:51 pm monday september 25, 2000
Hi there to all. I'm new to all these internet sites and have just found this one (along with some very helpful information already). I am 23 years old and was diagnosed with Meniere's just after high school. I've had this disease for at least 6 years now. I've tried the low salt and whole diet thing, tried lots of different meds and so on- no relief. I have been especially bad the last 8 months or so, having severe attacks several times a week. I'm not able to work anynore and I'm getting really frustrated! My doctor finally suggested a vestibular nerve section and I agreed and am scheduled for the end of October. I'm wondering who else has had this surgery and what it was like. I am a nurse myself and know a lot of the technical info, but what I can't seem to find is personal accounts and what the doctors "avoid" saying. I know everyone is different and reacts differently, but I would love to correspond with anyone who has any info (or anyone who just wants to talk- I get bored around the house alot). Thanks to all! Feel free to email me personally at jlrosenz@earthlink.net Thank you!
Krysta


re: need some help Shelley 6:22 am wednesday september 27, 2000
Hi Kris
My name is Shelley and I live in England and have been suffering with Meniere's for nearly a year and a half.. I started with the syptoms just before I found out I was pregnant, was told they would go after I had the baby but unfortunately it got worse and was finally diagnosed with Meniere's. I have just been signed off sick from work after having several months off with Maternity leave (bet that won't go down to well).
Anyway, after trying several different tablets, I am currently using "Buccastem" which you put under your gum when you feel an attack coming on. So far (after a couple of days of taking them) they started to kick in and touch wood I have not had a severe attack for nearly two weeks...a lifetime when you suffer from our disease.
Anyway, if things don't work I will be put in for surgery too. I have asked people to let me know what the surgery they have is like but so far no one has answered me so I would appreciate it if you could please let know what it is like.
I would love for you to stay in touch cause no-one unless they suffer from it really understand what we go through.
Take Care
Shell


protien thomas 2:21 pm monday october 2, 2000
I love to exercise I wish I could get paid for it. I once thought that exercice was what kept my MENIERES in check, but now I think it was the powder protien I took.I stopped takeing the protien and found during times of stress I would lose my hearing in my one good ear (my other ear is a menieres casualty) and have small dizzy spells. Yesterday I had a full blown attack. I also noticed that my dizzy spells came just before meals. I do not know what causes or cures this menieres but I do think protien helps me deal with the stress of life. It seems as long as I am getting one 30gram protien drink a day I do not get dizzy or sick. I can not hear very well, but as long as I can avoid the attacks that put me on my back, I can live with the deafness.


Vertigoheel Question Doug 7:49 pm monday october 2, 2000
I have had bi-lateral Menieres for over 12 years. Nothing seemed to help except for shut surgeries. I have had 2 in each ear. Now my only hearing ear is going bad and needs help. I had a shunt revision last year in that ear, so maybe that's not the answer.
I tried SERC about a year ago, it just gave me asthma. For that last 2 weeks I have been taking Prednisolone drops in my ears (tubes to get past the ear drum), and Pred. tablets. This remedy is not working for me. This is also know as Dexemethosone perfusion.
Any pro's or con's to trying Vertigoheel?
Is there any other known or experimental meds to try?
Thanks,
Doug


re: protien Rick 9:20 am thursday october 5, 2000
I've noticed the exact same thing. If you haven't read it already, I have a posting titled "Low Blood Sugar" which talks about the same things you did. Good to hear that someone else has the same symptoms. I'm going to the Dr tomorrow about a new condition I have. I've been getting a small vertigo attack and then dizziness 5 minutes after I eat. Very strange as this has never happened before. I've been taking an antihisamine before I eat and I haven't had another attack, but this is so different, I think a check up is necessary.
Good luck,
Rick


Small vertigo attack after Eating Rick 9:47 am thursday october 5, 2000
I haven't had a major attack ( 4hrs of vertigo)since increasing my protein intake and eating small snacks inbetween meals. But here lately I started having a 15 to 30 second vertigo attack followed by 2 hrs of dizziness and nausea 5 to 10 minutes after eating a meal. This is so different from the "norm" I'm going to the Dr to make sure everything is ok. Has anybody had a simular experience?
Thanks,
Rick


Gentamicin Jan Creager 3:48 pm monday october 9, 2000
Can anyone, in great detail, give me their experience with gentamicin injections?
I have had my first one, and am still having attacks. I am concerned that it is not working for me.
Any insight?


re: Small vertigo attack after Eating Doug Schneider 9:17 pm tuesday october 10, 2000
Rick,
I have had the same experience for many years. It is believed that many Meneires sufferers have an autoimmune disorder. You could be allergic to certain foods that trigger the attack. I personally am allergic to corn products, and if I eat something with more than a trace of corn in it, I have an attack. It is very difficult to find what food(s) are a problem. It took me years of doing elimination diets to find the problem foods. With Meneires you can't eliminate a food for a week and determine that it is or is not a problem food, it takes time. Allergist can not help with food allergies, so your on your own.
I would still see you ENT, but start looking at food labels and try to buy foods that don't have a long list of ingredients (especially the ones that you can't pronounce).
Doug (12 year bi-lateral)


re: Small vertigo attack after Eating Rick 8:59 am wednesday october 11, 2000
Thanks, Doug, I think you make a valid point and I'll start keeping stats on what I eat to try to isolate the foods that are triggering these attacks.
Thanks again,
Rick


National Publicity For Meniere's and SERC goodaswine 12:34 pm wednesday october 11, 2000
Hello fellow Meniere's sufferers. I am going to do everything in my power to finally bring this condition to the public. With your prayers and support I and you, we, can accomplish this. I have written e-mails to the three television networks. It is time for us to take the bull by the horns. There are thousands and thousands of us in just this country alone. It is time for the FDA to get off of its butt and legalize the distribution of the drug SERC. Not the compounding bulk version of this drug. A pharmacist does not have the time to prepare this nor can we afford it. There have been proven positive results from the use of this drug. Unfortunately, the source for SERC, for the sufferers of this disease that are having positive results is drying up. It is becoming harder and harder to obtain. Folks, get behind me on this! We have got to bring Meniere's Disease to the forefront, not left on a shelf in a closet because physicians DO NOT know how to treat this DISABLING disease. Yes, we have our various websites, message boards, and membership groups and thank God for them. If not for them, what few that have found them, would have nobody to turn to. Somebody, who understands what we are going through on a daily, minute to minute, and second to second basis are constantly found at these various locations. Not knowing what the very next second may bring! Contact the various news networks(ABC, NBC, and CBS) who have the primetime news magazines. Let them know there is a serious disabling disease being put on a shelf. Surgeries are being performed with and without success. Surgeries that are leaving people TOTALLY DEAF with no cure for the conditions of the Meniere's. The networks have my name, address, phone number, and e-mail address. I am going to publish all this below. So, when you send them an e-mail through their contact links, you can and will give them my personal information for them to contact me. Fellow sufferers of Meniere's and family members, I am taking the bull by the horns and I am asking you to ride this bull with me to tell the FDA to wake up! Thank you, I am looking forward to hearing from all of you! Please feel free to e-mail me or even give me a call. Danny Ethridge Panama City, FL 850-769-2171 goodaswine@yahoo.com 48hours@cbsnews.com. dateline@nbc.com http://abcnews.go.com/onair/email.html


meniere and asthma jane lemarr 9:16 pm friday october 13, 2000
I have meniere, and I also have asthma. Every time I have a vertigo spell, I have an asthma flair up. Does anyone have or know of any link there?



Shunt surgery Kim Slagle 9:54 pm tuesday october 17, 2000
Hi!
Does anyone have any experience with the shunt surgery? I have heard from one person that it helped her tremendously. My Dr. says it has a 50-70% success rate.
thx
kim


Allergies and Meniere's Rick 1:40 pm wednesday october 18, 2000
Here's an article I found at http://medscape.com/reuters/prof/1999/10/10.01/cl10019k.html. I think it's interesting that the old antihistamines (H1 blockers Benedryl, Actifed, etc) were the only ones that were effective. I have found that wheat products may be triggering my attacks. Time will tell if this is going to work, but I was having 2 to 5 attacks a week immediately after eating and when I started the antihistamines three days ago I haven't had anymore. It's way too early to claim success. But I wanted to share this discovery.

Meniere's Disease May Have Allergic Component
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WESTPORT, Oct 01 (Reuters Health) - The incidence of allergies in patients with Meniere's disease is twice that of the general population, researchers told attendees at the American Academy of Otolaryngology--Head and Neck Surgery Foundation annual meeting in New Orleans this week.
A team from the University of Southern California in Los Angeles believes that allergen-related immune dysfunction may help trigger symptoms of the disease.
"For the majority of patients, allergy immunotherapy with allergy shots if they have airborne allergies or diet if they have food allergies, is very effective in controlling the vertigo and tinnitus associated with Meniere's," Dr. M. Jennifer Derebery reported.
In an interview with Reuters Health, Dr. Derebery said that although studies have suggested a link between allergy and Meniere's disease, "...there's really been no good data on how often that occurs."
Her team interviewed nearly 1,500 patients with the disease and "...found a much larger percentage of patients than anticipated that were allergic." The Los Angeles researchers found that 42% of respondents said that they suspected they were allergic. Allergies were confirmed in 37% of the group by blood and/or skin tests.
"The anatomy of the inner ear suggests that it can be a target of histamine and other chemicals that are released with an allergic reaction," she explained. Airborne allergens such as dust, mold and pollen were most frequently associated with Meniere's symptoms. Food allergies, especially to wheat, were also associated with symptomatology.
Dr. Derebery pointed out that the bulk of the most widely prescribed allergy medications remain ineffective against allergy-related Meniere's symptoms, since they do not act upon the inner ear. However, "...there are some medications that will help," she said, including some older antihistamines that cross the blood-brain barrier.
Dr. Derebery and colleagues have found that dietary and drug therapy has proven effective in reducing Meniere's symptoms in allergic patients treated at the House Ear Clinic and House Ear Institute, in Los Angeles. She told Reuters Health that hearing loss in these patients has "remained quite stable" over time, suggesting that antiallergy therapy may affect disease progression.


frustrated with Meniere's Rhonda 1:54 pm friday october 20, 2000
I was diagnosed with Meniere's in 1989 after realizing that I had lost some hearing in my left ear. Prior to that, I had had several episodes of getting out of bed and walking into the wall; I just thought I was a klutz. After I had my first child in 1995, I was plagued by fatigue, mental fog, and extreme allergies to smells (I could smell someone's perfume and feel like I was completely intoxicated!). A second ENT diagnosed me with Candida(which is a yeast that infects the intestines and gut) and allergies, so I was put on a miserable no sugar (no wheat, no salt, no etc., etc. etc.) diet for 6 months. I believe the diet helped immensely, but the symptoms continue to recur. I was interested to hear that some of you have allergy-related Meniere's; I would like to hear more about that. This past year I have had more bouts of the traditional Meniere's symptoms and have been told by my doctor that I'm "sloppy" on my diet. I'm extremely tired of being on diets and would like suggestions of where to find the ingredients that I see listed in so many of the low salt recipes (like no salt cheese, no salt rolls, etc.). I live in a small town so many of these items are not available in our grocery stores. I would appreciate any help.


re: frustrated with Meniere's Kim 10:17 pm sunday october 22, 2000
I too, was told that I probably had Candida. It was so hard to stay on the diet prescribed and the treatments and supplements weren't covered under my insurance so I didn't stay on it long. I do know that I felt better on it for the few weeks that I did it. I'm glad to hear that it helped your MM's symptoms. Perhaps we should both go on it again. :-)
I live in a large town and many of the items I hear discussed or see in recipes are not available in our local grocerie stores but are available in Natural Grocery Stores. We have a few in the Twin Cities. I bet there has to be an on-line grocery store that would be able to ship the non-perishable stuff.
I'll let you know if I find out about any on-line gocery shopping. Take care....and know that sometimes it doesn't matter how good you are w/ the diet...it just happens.
Kim


Blood Tests During Vertigo Attacks Rick 1:42 pm monday october 23, 2000
I've noticed with my own vertigo attacks and also from what other people have said, that once it starts there is no stopping it. I find this odd to say the least. I can't help but believe that some chemical or drug is being released into the blood stream that causes the vertigo and nausea, otherwise why would it have to run it's course? If you drink too much alcohol, you have to wait for the body to eliminate the alcohol before the symptoms go away and there's nothing you can do to speed up the process. And the same goes for any drug that alters your state of being. So I'm wondering if any of you have thought the same thing and have you ever had a blood analysis done during a vertigo attack or heard of any research being done in this area? Thanks,
Rick


Meniere's Disease and Meniere's Syndrome Greg 4:01 pm monday october 23, 2000
Grettings everyone,
I received this from the Ear Foundation weekly newsletter, and thought I would pass it on to you;

"We at the EAR Foundation have created this weekly e-letter to inform and encourage you as you deal with the chronic illness of Meniere's Disease
Meniere's Disease Vs Meniere's Syndrome
Do you hear people talk about Meniere's Disease and Meniere's Syndrome and wonder if there is a difference? Like many others, you probably read a great deal about Meniere's Disease and Meniere's Syndrome with no explanation that there is a difference.
According to The booklet An Introduction to Meniere's Disease, the terms Meniere's Disease and Meniere's Syndrome are not synonymous. Meniere's Disease is used to refer to the condition which has no known cause, While Meniere's Syndrome refers to the same classic clinical picture but for which a recognized cause is suspected. Recognized potential causes of Meniere's Syndrome include: allergy, endocrine-metabolic disorders, syphilis, immune-mediated disorders, congenital malformations, etc. Treatment of Meniere's Syndrome is usually more predictable in that a cause can be specifically attacked."
http://www.earfoundation.org/


Two Weeks Without a Vertigo Attack Rick 12:09 pm friday october 27, 2000
Since I've started taking the antihistamines 30 minutes before I eat, I haven't had another vertigo attack. I also quit eating anything with wheat in it. I'm taking a little more than the recommended dose but I am 6'2" 235lbs and I think I can handle more than the dosage for a 120lb 12 year old. I will however discuss this with my DR if it continues to work. It also got rid of the brain fog for the two weeks except for yesterday which was really foggy. LOL. But I made it without an attack. The little attacks I was getting frequently weren't the same as the big ones I used to get, so one of those may be lurking in the shadows, but at least I can enjoy a few days of peace. I haven't had time to post recently so I wanted to check in and say hi. May God be with you.
Rick
ps. If you all check all the boards like I do, I hope you don't mind seeing my postings at all of them. I'll stop if you want me to.


Are We Type A or B Personalities Rick 12:00 am tuesday october 31, 2000
If Histamines can trigger MM attacks, are we doomed bye our personality profiles? I've been doing quite a bit of research since I read that article of Dr. Dereberry's relating allergies and MM. I knew that antihistamines would stop the histamines from reacting with different cells in our bodies, but I didn't realize that adrinalin would prevent the production of histamines all together.
I've been accused of being too layed back and never worrying about anything. Did this cause my MM? Am I not generating enough adrenalin in my daily life. Are all MM sufferers type "B" personalities. Is that why MM tends to affect us after we turn 40 because we've mellowed out? What do y'all think?


Good News- Bad News Rick 1:11 pm monday november 6, 2000
I went three weeks and two days without a vertigo attack. That was after I started taking Ephedrine(metabolite), antihistamines and eliminated wheat products from my diet. It also got rid of the constant fog I had been enduring for the last 2 years. Well so much for the good news.
This morning I had a vertigo attack about ten minutes after I finished my oatmeal. It was another small attack like I've been having the last two years with the spinning lasting about a minute but I was completely off balance for 2 hours. I'm ok now and the fog didn't come back so I don't think all is lost. Looks like I maybe have lost another food group though. I also probably ate too soon after I had taken the meds and they didn't have time to take affect. Or I'm wasting my time altogether and getting my hopes up for nothing because this isn't working and I'm just fooling myself. Oh well life goes on. Thanks for listening....Rick


Am I losing my mind? Laura 4:46 pm saturday november 11, 2000
Hello, I am very new at this. First of all let me begin to say up until 10/18/00, I was in fact healthy. It started at work. I work in a factory and am a Mechanical Brake Operator. This entails to bend down and look at tooling for the machine. Anyways, I did just that and I had a feeling unlike any other. Every thing, and I mean EVERYTHING was going so fast. I thought that I had imagined it, ignored it and started over. same thing happened. I was terrified. I almost fell into the machine. Well anyway I got sent home from work. Went to regular dr, he said labrythinitis. symptoms worsened. sent to an ENT, he said vestbular neuronitis, still symptoms with little or no improvement. He has ordered a MRI on brain and inner ear canal, He suspects Meniere's. I am scared but more importantly hoping that he is wrong and I will be normal again. Any suggestions?


re: Am I losing my mind? Rick 7:04 pm saturday november 11, 2000
Most vertigo attacks (if that is what you had)with Meniere's, come and go. It sounds like yours hasn't stopped. I hope you get more than one opinion if they say it is meniere's.


re: Am I losing my mind? Laura 12:49 pm monday november 13, 2000
Thanx for your reply. I hope that this subsides and I can get back to a"normal" life.


low sodium diet lianne 3:33 pm tuesday november 14, 2000
I am very newly diagnosed with MD. It seems to have come out of no where i just woke up with it one day. After a few attacks and being sent to ent specialist was diagnosed and sent on my way. Any information i have on MD is on the net from sites like this one. I am so thankful there are others like me to talk to. My doctor has told me to be very careful with the foods I eat (low sodium,sugar, cafene etc.) but has given me no diet to follow. Does any one have a good diet they can stear me towards. I am taking diazide and feeling very tired and nausious and of corse dizzy most of the time any one else feeling like this??????


re: low sodium diet Rick 5:28 pm tuesday november 14, 2000
Here are some other Meniere's message boards and some MM sites. There's lots of good information and what you'll find is that everybody is different. Try what your doctor says because that does help in the majority of cases. My best advice is to track what you do, what you eat, etc and hopefully you'll find out what triggers your attacks.... Rick
http://www.conciliocreative.com/dizzy/cgi/board4.cgi? boardname=dizzyboard.txt&boardtitle=Vestibular+Disorders+Message+B oard&gobackurl=../index.shtml
http://www.menieres.org/forums/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi? action=topics&forum=Meniere|APO|s+Main+Forum&number=1&DaysPrune=20 &LastLogin=
http://www.coolboard.com/boardshow.cfm?mb=865745329612135
http://apps3.vantagenet.com/zforums/thread.asp?id=19281368
http://www.michiganear.com/wwwboard/wwwboard3.html
http://www.michiganear.com/wwwboard/wwwboard4.html
http://www.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/menieresdiseaseclub
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thetinnitussupportclub
http://medscape.com/reuters/prof/1999/10/10.01/cl10019k.html


GOOD NEWS!! Kim 7:49 pm tuesday november 14, 2000
Hi all!
I jumped through the hoops (and there were many)and I finally got my insurance to approve to pay for a visit to Dr. Derebery at the House Ear clinic in Los Angeles, CA. I was so glad that I literally had tears of joy! Hopefully, she'll find something that I'm allergic to and it will work in controlling my attacks. I'll keep you posted. I will be seeing her 11/20 and 11/21!
Also, just an interesting note for women with Menieres. I switched my diuretic from diazide to spironalctone because I found that my attacks were worse during PMS. On another website (www.dr.gwen.com) that is for women w/ Menieres she posts a study that shows that the only diuretic found to help PMS water retention was spironolactone. So far, it's helped!


re: GOOD NEWS!! Rick 4:48 pm wednesday november 15, 2000
That's great Kim and I will be looking forward to your posts. I've noticed that wheat has been triggering some of my episodes and possibly milk. I'm very interested in the allergy connection with MM... Good Luck...Rick


fluvastatin sodium Rick 6:19 pm thursday november 16, 2000
I looked at a web site "www.menieres.com" and the person says he was cured when his GP prescribed fluvastatin sodium for his cholesterol. Has anybody tried this? I know my cholesterol is high is anybody else's? Another person also posted on his BB that their mother's hearing was restored and tinnitus cured by the same drug. What do y'all think?


re: GOOD NEWS!! Lori 9:47 pm saturday november 18, 2000
That's very interesting, Kim. I look forward to your results also. I personally have multiple allergies. I noticed this week, when I tried using a wheat grass powder, that not only did I have typical grass allergy symptoms such as stuffiness, throat constriction, etc., but the dizziness has been really problematic. Ironically, I'm trying this new cleansing regimen for the purpose of trying to clear up the allergies and the Meniere's. So much for the wheat grass.


Barometric Pressure Lori 5:43 pm tuesday november 21, 2000
Is anyone is New York today suffering from extra dizziness from the low barometric pressure? Is it me or does this weather really mess with your equilibrium?


re: Barometric Pressure Rick 10:18 am wednesday november 22, 2000
I think the answer to your question is yes, barometric pressure can cause problems. I researched it a long time ago because I noticed I had problems everytime a cold front came through and the weather was clear, sunny, and cold. I tracked the barometric pressure for quite awhile and there were several times the pressure was high and several times it was low and I had no problems in either case. But in my research on the net, which I encourage you to do, I found lots of info on Barotrauma. Scuba Divers are especially suseptable to this and it does produce dizziness and vertigo. So you may have found something here that helps you even though in my case it turned out to be a dead end.


re: low sodium diet James C. Daniel 3:36 pm wednesday november 22, 2000
My main concern with having this disease is am i gonna be able to recieve s.s.d. I have not been able to work since sept. of 99. I have`nt been diagnosed as of yet but i am sure i have it. I am totally at my wits end by the end of each day and don`t want to hear anything,BUT i have a 12 yr. old to deal with which means the tv must be on and i have to turn the volume all the way up & i still have tremendous problems undrestanding wat is being said. If anyone has anything that mite help e-mail me at Jimbocepus@aol.com


re: Barometric Pressure Lori6:42 pm wednesday november 22, 2000
Thanks for the feedback, Rick. I'm going to check it out.


Kim? Rick 9:20 am thursday november 30, 2000
How did your appointment go with Dr Derebery?
Rick


constant vertigo Tami 1:47 pm friday december 1, 2000
Hi. My doctor just diagnosed Meniere's disease and I don't know anyone else with the disease. My next appointment isn't for awhile and the more I read about it the more I wonder if it's really what I have. (Yes, I am aware that with every diagnosis comes denial). But I have constant vertigo, not just when I have an acute attack and can't stand up. I have only had a couple acute attacks and the rest of the time I have this awful spinning feeling and pressure in my ear, some ringing and the hearing loss has invaded by ability to function. I was just curious if anyone else has had a more constant vertigo??


re: constant vertigo Laura 11:29 pm friday december 1, 2000
hello, I wish that this came under better circumstances, but I too am suffering with constant vertigo,earpressure and fullness sometimes pain, fatigue, ear noises. I have been surviving this for almost 2 months. I understand fully what you are going through and my sympathies are with you 100% My ENT first told me that it was vestibular neuronitis, then Meniere's and now I have to go to a otolarngologist. I am recently experiencing facial numbness. Scary!!!! To say the least it is frustrating to know if you are brave enough to get up and walk or will you fall. Or should I watch t.v. or will my eyes go bonkers. I really do understand what you are going through. Keep a positive attitude if you can and try to keep going. Keep coming to the message board for support and information. It does help to know people are out there and know what you are going through. Remember stay as positive as you can. I know it's not easy. Stay well. Laura


no subject specified) Martyann 10:13 am tuesday december 5, 2000
I just found this site yesterday and was thrilled. I've found discussion boards a good source of info in the past. It took two years for me to get the dx of Meniere's. At that time I was having constant dizziness and fog along with other symptoms and knock downs at least once a week. Prior to this I would have occasional bouts of dizziness and a knock down every 2-3 months. When the problem became chronic I started searching for an answer. I first suspected allergies as I had two knockdowns after known exposure to mold. I was told by an allergist that even though I was allergic to mold that this was not a typical reaction. Finally after 2 years of various doctors and dx I found an allergist that has given me some relief.
I'm allergic to numerous things including pollens and many foods inclding yeast and wheat. Yeast seems to be a bugger. And definitly molds. So I have to avoid many things such as cheese, beer, any thing with yeast (which is hard because it is hidden in many things under other names and used as a peservitative.),wine and others.
When I first started my restrictive diet I felt immediatly better. I have been on antigen shots and drops since March. I recently went back to a less restrictive diet and gradually have gotten lax on paying attention to what I eat. I can tell a big change. I just had a major vertigo attack this past Friday, triggered I think by exposure to mold (in the soil of a large plant believe it or not). I haven't felt well since.
I have an appt. with my allergist/ent Monday. I know what she's going to say,"What did you eat?" It's so very difficult to stay on the diet because it basicall consist of fruits and vegetables and beans as I'm allergic to beef, pork and chicken. It involves more preperation than I am feeling capable of doing at the moment. And when I am well it involves preparing two different meals, one for me and one for the family. I eat some very unintresting things some times.
Enuf gritching, the thing is I know there is a direct relationship between my allergies and my attacks. Some times I wonder though if there may be another component as there sometimes seems to be no known reason for an attact. Usually these are mild in comparison to the major knockdowns I have. Thanks for letting me share, and hope that the info on allergies help


re: (no subject) Rick 12:04 pm wednesday december 6, 2000
I believe that the attacks I've had that weren't allergy related were from low blood sugar. I noticed that they always came when I haven't eaten in a long time 5 or 6 hours. Now I make sure I eat a little something every two hours or so. I also am allergic to wheat and I had a simular problem with finding foods that I can eat. I didn't realize that Gluten is a wheat protein and I was eating a lot of stuff I thought was wheat free that wasn't. Stay away from Gluten, starch, flour, and other grains like oats, malt, and barley. Rice seems to be ok. If it doesn't say "corn" starch for instance then it's wheat. Same is true for flour, if it's something other than wheat, it will say "rice", "corn", etc. Maybe the same thing happened to you when you were "lax" on your diet. I've found Rice crispy treats to be an excellent substitue for cookies and cakes and that sort of stuff. I also take an antihistamine an hour before I eat in case I eat something I shouldn't have. Remember it's the histamines that are the culprit, the allergies just cause the body to release them. Good Luck.. Rick


re: (no subject) Martyann 6:08 pm thursday december 7, 2000
I'm super watchful at the grocery store. The problem is I'm allergic to corn, (corn is hidden in many things, in the form of starch and sweetner) rice, potatoes, also. I can eat those things once a week. Basically I'm suppose to rotate everything I eat. I have found a spelt bread which is wheat and yeast free. The problem is that it is about $6.00 for a pound loaf! I can eat oats but it is hard to find products that don't contain other things I can't have. The biggest problem is preservatives, msg, yeast in many forms is used as a preservative, only they call it something else much of the time.
I love rice crispy squares, but marshmallows are made from corn syrup. So you can see my dilima.
Another BIG problem are fragrances, something I have no control over in public. Not all bother me, but when they do watch out! I came home from shopping today with a headache I think was triggered by formyldhyde in clothing. That's the only place I went was a clothing store. I never know when this may trigger a virtigo attack. It makes me very panicky sometimes, especially if my husband is out of town as we are new in town and I don't have any back up support if something happens. My biggist fear is getting caught away from home and my husband is out of town.
At this time I'm not on any maintance. I have an appointment Monday. Would like to hear about others maintance programs that have or have not been successful. Also is there any meds that work to ease the symptoms once you are in a full blown attack? Antivert doesn't seem to work any more nor does Scopace. I can't use the Transderm patchs because I'm allergic to the adhesives. Thanks


re: (no subject) Darrell 5:31 am friday december 8, 2000 If I may reccomend VertigoHeel.
It is a homeopathic so no harming side effects and it has worked great when I needed it. I used it last year for a couple of months and the dizziness has subsided (knock on wood). Please research it yourself on the web and check with your ENT. I know it worked for me and other people on this site.
Take care and keep us all posted.
Darrell
PS - Greg keep up the good work as we are all appriciate your work.


dumbfounded Laura8:13 am friday december 8, 2000
To all of you, I am totally dumbfounded when it comes to this condition. I have been experiencing all symptoms of mm for 2 months with little or no relief. I have been to ent who has done absolutely nothing but give me antivert, and an MRI, he first thought labryinthitis, then vestibular neuronitis, then Meniere's, I am now preceding to a otolaryngologist. can anyone tell me what to expect. I have so many symptoms that will not decrease or simply go away, to list a few, constant dizziness, ear fullness and pressure. Can't tolerate loud noises, constant nausea, facial numbness, even when I move my eyes I am spinning. I feel that I am out of control and this has really taken all the patience that I had out of me. Am either exhausted or have spell (attack) and sleep will not come. Mentally am not completely with it and also when get attacks, I shake. Is this common? Anyone have any answers. I am trying to stay positive but it is so hard. thanx for your time. Laura sorry to ramble


re: (no subject) Rick 11:38 am friday december 8, 2000
Your right, if it doesn't have wheat, then it probably has corn. Hopefully your Dr will be able to help. I also take Metabolite which has Ephedra. I don't usually mention this because it's supposed to be really bad stuff, but ephedra seems to help me. From what I've read it prevents histamine release. I'm not suggesting you use it unless your Dr tells you, but I did want to let you know what has worked for me. I'm surprised the antihistamines don't at least make your symptoms tollerable. Here's a web site of someone who controls their MM with diet by eliminating foods that contain histidine which the body uses to make histamines. I haven't tried it, but a lot of what he says makes sense and it didn't sound too difficult. http://www.goldbaum.net/balance/index.html Hope you get better.... Rick


re: dumbfounded Rick 11:46 am friday december 8, 2000
The ringing is constant with me and I can't tolerate lous noises. I always have ear fullness and pressure. I think once I found out I wasn't dieing, I was able to get used to those symptoms. It's been 17 years now. I'm dizzy a lot but not always and I'm only nauseated when I have an attack. I would hold out hope that the Dr's could help with those symptoms. I'm sure you've read my posts regarding allergies, so make sure that your not dealing with that also. Low blood sugar ( hypoglycemia) has also caused me to have problems. Hope you get better.... Rick


re: Barometric PressureJayne 11:38 pm friday december 8, 2000
Dear Rick,
Last year on the way to church I experienced my first "bout" of meniere's disease. I only had about 6 spells of the dizziness that was followed by severe neasea and then I would go into a deep sleep for about 2 hours. When I woke up..I was fine. I deal with the ringing (or low roaring on some days) almost daily in my right ear. I have constant headaches if the weather is bad, but I always thought it was sinus. Could this be related to the menieres..and is there any way of knowing how long it will be before I have another "spell". My doctor has me on a daily fluid pill for my blood pressure and thought it may help with menieres. Any input would be greatly appreciated. thanks..Jayne


re: Barometric Pressure Rick 11:55 am saturday december 9, 2000
Jayne, the most important thing you can do is to start keeping track of what you do and what you eat and try to see any re- occurring conditions exist before you have an attack. It's not easy and in fact if I hadn't had read an article about food allergies and MM, I don't know if I would have ever got that connection. I have another post at this site about allergies and menieres that I suggest you read. But I did find there was a correlation to my attacks and fasting. In fact I reconfirmed it yesterday. We went to my sister-in-laws graduation from college and I went 6 hrs without a big meal. When we left the college I felt like my feet weren't touching the ground I was so dizzy. I knew it wouldn't be long for the vertigo attack came. We all went out to eat and I took my antihistamines ( more than I should) and after I ate it went away. That's probably the closest I have ever come to having a vertigo attack and not getting it. I don't know if it's a blood sugar thing or not because my blood sugar always tests normal, but I do know that I have to eat a regular meal every four hours and a small snack inbetween to keep these attacks away. When an attack is caused by something I eat, it usually happens within 15 minutes, so it's pretty obvious what happened when I get those. I truly am believing more and more that histamine levels are the root cause in both scenarios. I had an attack simular to yours, Jayne, when we were going to church one Sunday. We stopped at McDonalds for breakfast with the Grandchildren and as soon as we left, I started spinning. I had to pull over and let my wife drive. I realize now it was the bisquit LOL. So lets assume it's Histamines in your case, Jayne, it could be anything that your exposed to that causes your body to release histamines. In my case I don't react as severely to airborne allergens as I do foods, but I have had attacks in the past that I was convinced were caused by my sinus's, which makes sense to me, most sinus problems are caused by histamines. There are certain substances that are so aromatic that I get an instant vertigo attack when I'm around them. Some are chemicals that are in the work place but I have been sent reeling by some perfumes and after shaves. So in your case it could have been that you didn't eat that morning, you ate something that your allergic too, there was something in the air that wasn't there the day before, or you may have tried a new perfume that morning or somebody around you may have had a perfume or aftershave that you were reactive to. I take Chlortrimeton 30 min to an hour before I eat along with a Metabolite pill (ephedra)during the day and Benedryl at night. The ephedra to prevent histamine release and the antihistamine to minimize my reaction to histamines. The ephadra is supposedly bad stuff so I'm not recommending it, but just letting you know what I do to try to control my situation. Last night was the first dizziness I had in four weeks and at that I still didn't have a full blown attack and I was having 3 or 4 attacks a week before I started all this. In fact I had 3 attacks in two days at one point. Hope this helps and I hope you get better...Rick


MicorWick Beth 1:10 pm monday december 11, 2000
Considering using micorwick has anyone heard of this? or its resutls?
Thanks Beth


Can an ENG test cause a Vertigo attack Rick 12:46 pm wednesday december 13, 2000
Has anybody experianced a vertigo attack after the caloric part of the ENG test? The reason I ask is that I had a small vertigo attack yesterday after walking about 200yards in 34' weather with winds of 20mph+. It was like no other vertigo attack I have had. The movement was very , very slow and I didn't get nauseated. It's been 5 weeks since my last vertigo attack after I started my diet which eliminated all wheat and oat products and I was having about 5 attacks a week before I started the diet. I know this wasn't food allergy related because it was 2 hours after I had eaten breakfast. The only thing I could think of was the change in temperatures that would be simular to the caloric part of the ENG, but I've never had that test done so I don't really know. I'm not worried about it because I can handle 1 attack per month if this was just a random attack, but it was so much different from any I had before I thought it might be related to the cold. I'm keeping my ears covered anyway.. LOL ....Rick


re: Can an ENG test cause a Vertigo attack Lori 7:29 pm thursday december 14, 2000
Rick, I'm not sure I understand your question. An ENG test does induce vertigo, by design. I don't know if extreme cold can induce an attack. I know I have felt dizzy upon walking in the cold lately. I believe what induces the vertigo during an ENG is the sustained introduction of cold or hot air or water for about one minute in ONE EAR only. I believe it's the fact that it goes into only one ear that actually causes the vertigo. The vertigo lasts for about one minute and then goes away. At least that was my experience. Lori


re: Can an ENG test cause a Vertigo attack Rick 0:14 am friday december 15, 2000
Well even if you didn't understand the question, you did answer it, Lori. What I was wanting to know was " Can a change in temperature in the ear canal cause vertigo?" I couldn't find anything on the net that told what effect the test had on a person. All I found was information on how the test was performed and that the Dr's measured eye movement. I couldn't tell from the literature if it caused vertigo or not. The episode I had was so different from any I had ever had, I really felt it was caused by something different than the others. It was very mild and didn't last very long and it happened about 5 minutes after I came in from the cold. Another thing was that the wind was blowing so hard and directly into my left ear which is also my bad ear. A person at another message board said he went into a vertigo attack also when he had the caloric part of the ENG test also. From what you and he have told me, I will wear earplugs when I go out in cold weather to make sure the temperature in my ear canals stay constant. These message boards are truely a God send. I have learned so much in the last months and it's good to have my Menieres under control again, well at least for the time being. Thanks again, Lori
Rick


re: Can an ENG test cause a Vertigo attack Lori 8:30 am friday december 15, 2000
That's a great idea, Rick. I'm going to try some ear muffs this winter. It makes sense to cover the ears. What I'd love to know is how to protect my inner ear or balance center from damp weather. The minute it gets damp (which is quite often in New York), my Meniere's goes crazy--crazy--horrible. I'm shopping for ideas! Lori


re: Shunt surgery 9:53 am friday december 15, 2000 Beth Happy Holidays to you,
I"am also looking for information on the shunt surgery? Have you received anything? I visited with my ENT yesterday and he is very pro (he doesn't actually do the surgery) But I'd really like to hear from someone who's had it... Good luck I'll let you know what I found out. Beth


SHUNT SURGERY HELP!!!! Beth 9:55 am friday december 15, 2000
Goodmorning, and happy holidays, Has any one out there know anyone who's had the shunt surgery? know what the pro's and con's are? Gotta do something or there placing me on Long term disability where I work. ;-(
Thanks


re: Can an ENG test cause a Vertigo attack Rick 12:09 pm friday december 15, 2000
It's 100% humidity here on the Texas Gulf Coast 99% of the time, but it's also a lot warmer here than in New York. We may have only 3 or 4 weeks of 30' weather here. I haven't noticed that the dampness has any effect on my Menieres but it was drizzeling rain during the episode I was talking about. So maybe it's a combination of the cold and dampness. As far as a solution? Maybe a move to Arizona, I don't know... that's a tough one. See ya....
Rick 2


re: SHUNT SURGERY HELP!!!! Rick2:17 pm friday december 15, 2000
Hi Beth,
I haven't had the shunt surgery but I wanted to let you know that I was almost in the same position with my job until I found out about food allergies causing my frequent attacks. I just wanted to say something about it in case you haven't investigated that aspect of MM.
Good Luck... Rick


re: SHUNT SURGERY HELP!!!! Martyann 3:12 pm friday december 15, 2000
My doc won't even do the surgery for her patients. She said they often get stopped up and you have to go back in and redo. She also said the results were not that great. As Rick mentioned investigating the possibilites of allergies is a good idea, as that appears to be what is causing my MM. I don't have the classic symptoms of allergys, all my symptoms are MM related. But it is also hard to find a good allergist. People come from around the country and abroad to see my allergist. She also takes Medicaid patients. She is really out to help people. If anyone is intrested in her name let me know.


re: SHUNT SURGERY HELP!!!! Lori 3:25 pm friday december 15, 2000
I'm interested in her name. Lori


re: SHUNT SURGERY HELP!!!! Beth 4:36 pm friday december 15, 2000
I'd like her name and where she is located, Thanks so much for the info, Beth


re: SHUNT SURGERY HELP!!!! Martyann 9:47 am saturday december 16, 2000
Her name is Soraya Hoover. She is located in Houston, Tx. I know she also has a clinic in London, England. Her Houston number is 713-626-4999 or 713-694-8188. she has two offices in Houston. If you decide to visit her visit the West Loop office as it is in the better area. The first time I visited her other office I almost left with out seeing her!! ha- ha. It is in a lower income area (not unsafe in daylight hours, but not the best) Building is run down by most standard's. But as I said she has a lot of Medicade patients and they see her in that office. There are a few hotels in the area but I would stay somewhere else up the road. If you visit the other office it is in a very high end area and you have your choice of the Marriot (which is where the office is located, in the office building there), or other nicer hotels. It's in the Galleria area if anyone is familar with Houston.
I always feel I have to explain about Dr. Hoover when I recommend her. She has been practicing since the '60's but we haven't figured out how old she is yet. She is Egyptian and speaks with an accent but she is easy to understand. She very knowledgeable and keeps current of all info. She is very insistant about you following her instruction if you want to get better. Reminds me of my grandmother-" I told you to do this and you didn't listen. Now less try it again the way I told you the first time" Not in those exact word's but you get the drift!!


MD in the family Lianne 2:36 pm monday december 18, 2000
About three months ago I was diagnosed with MD I have been lucky so far that I havn't experienced too many bad attacks. On the week end my 75 year old mother called me - she was very sick. What she discribed to me sounded exactly what I have experienced with MD. She was so very sick she couldn't stand without vomitting etc. She has never experienced anything like this in her life. My question is do many of you have family members with meniers and does anyone know how common this is. I also have a sister with symtoms for many years but never diagnosed. Also this is something that has come out of no where for myself and my mother. Has anyone else had symtoms just occur out of no where??? Very anxious to here from anyone who understands.

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