Cam (ID=20) (Jan 30, 2001 7:38:19 AM)
Hello

Cam (ID=20) (Jan 30, 2001 7:43:08 AM)
How ARE YA?

ALLI (ID=21) (Jan 30, 2001 8:05:52 AM)
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Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:27:30 AM)
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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:28:17 AM)
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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:28:43 AM)
Good morning Jill....

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:28:49 AM)
Goodmorning Debbie

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:28:55 AM)
How are you doing today?

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:29:04 AM)
It is early here on the west coast

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:29:27 AM)
just one moment

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:32:03 AM)
do you normally get up this early?

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:32:33 AM)
No but my husband has a bible study this early

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:33:07 AM)
is your husband a minister?

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:33:44 AM)
No just leads it , I'm in charge of our children's ministry

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:00 AM)
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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:05 AM)
I normally am up at 3:30 for work,,but today is my day off so I dont get up til 6:30 or 7

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:14 AM)
hi Carol,,how are you this morning?

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:28 AM)
Doing fine but Krystie has an ear infection

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:02 AM)
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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:04 AM)
sorry to hear that...I hope she feels better soon.

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:14 AM)
Thanks, Hi Deb

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:19 AM)
Good morning Deb! I will be seeing you tomorrow afternoon!!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:22 AM)
Goodmorning everyone!

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:25 AM)
Did you ever get to a point when you didn't know where to put your daughter academically...All the kids in his class are increasing do fast and he is increasing but slower

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:46 AM)
Debbie....I'm excited! Travis' teacher will meet us up there.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:36:05 AM)
Jill "Im debating now about having the guidance counselor retest Sarah to try and qualify her for an IEP

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:36:16 AM)
Jill, Does his teacher help you at all

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:36:25 AM)
Good move Debbie.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:36:29 AM)
A friend of mine, Beth, is riding with me. What time do you expect to get there?

GAIL (ID=26) (Jan 30, 2001 8:36:57 AM)
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Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:36:59 AM)
No She thinks she a very young and thinks in side the box

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:04 AM)
good morning Gail

GAIL (ID=26) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:13 AM)
HIYA !

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:15 AM)
Hi Gail

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:26 AM)
That's too bad, Jill, I have the same trouble here

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:34 AM)
I'm leaving school around 1:00, so I should be there by 2:30. T's teacher will get there right around 3:30, she is leaving school at 2:00. What time do you think you'll get there?

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:45 AM)
Morning Gail

GAIL (ID=26) (Jan 30, 2001 8:38:02 AM)
Hi everyone

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:38:25 AM)
I just got home from Sarah's school. they had a pop quiz the other day in math. Sarah had one marked wrong again that was actually right. It's hard enough for Sarah to get good graces right now but having right answers marked wrong dont help

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:39:01 AM)
what did her teacher say, AGAIN. Debbie?

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:39:03 AM)
We got the entire problem marked wrong if she forgets the cents sign

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:39:18 AM)
So invented test any way

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:39:29 AM)
Deb, I am taking off work at 10:15....will be running some errands and then will try and get there early, I'd like to try and go by and see Dr Moncrieff before the presentation.

GAIL (ID=26) (Jan 30, 2001 8:39:51 AM)
i will brb,,,my son is still sleeping

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:39:55 AM)
It would be great if she could come over...I'd love to meet her!

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:40:07 AM)
The teacher changed the grade. On a 5 question quiz, that's the difference between a F and a C

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:40:31 AM)
Deb, I will email you and let you knwo for sure. Im trying to get in touch with Dr M today.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:40:44 AM)
I'm glad she changed Sarah's grade, as she should have!

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:13 AM)
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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:22 AM)
Carol, what grade is Krystie in?

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:26 AM)
good morning Dr J!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:33 AM)
Debbie...sounds good. I sent a note to T's SLP, telling her about tomorrow as well. She wasn't there last Friday, so I sent it today.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:41 AM)
Goodmorning Dr. J!!

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:44 AM)
Good morning

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:50 AM)
Good Morning Dr. J

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:42:17 AM)
Good morning debbie. Good morning everyone. Sorry I'm late, but, if you know D.C., it's raining and everybody brings out their Arks in the rain so, traffic is really heavy and slow today.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:42:27 AM)
Deb,if I dont see you online this evening, I will call you so we can make plans of where to meet tomorrow afternoon.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:06 AM)
We can just meet right in the lobby of the hotel, right accross the street from where we met the first time...sound good?

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:16 AM)
sounds good to me.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:19 AM)
Looks like a really nice large group this morning. How is everyone after Maryland (Ravens) wooped it up over the weekend?

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:28 AM)
I should be on line tonight though....

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:50 AM)
i fell asleep during the super bowl im ashamed to say. missed the whole thing!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:56 AM)
I didn't even watch the game...or the commercials!

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:56 AM)
I think the commercial where the best part

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:58 AM)
I saw half time

GAIL (ID=26) (Jan 30, 2001 8:44:22 AM)
ok im back,,,

GAIL (ID=26) (Jan 30, 2001 8:44:43 AM)
this is a tough time of day to be online

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:44:50 AM)
I use to really enjoy football, but if my Jaguars aren't playing, I"ve lost interest.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:44:50 AM)
I have to agree with Deb that the commercials were far better than the game, except of course that Baltimore won! ! ! (Being from Maryland, that's our home boys)

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:13 AM)
HALF TIME i THINK WAS FOR us adult to watch with our kids..Did Areosmith look old or I'm getting older

frances (ID=28) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:19 AM)
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dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:31 AM)
Yes, debbie, but the game WAS in your backyard (Tampa)....sort of your backyard?

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:35 AM)
Good morning Frances

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:38 AM)
Good morning Frances

GAIL (ID=26) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:48 AM)
hi frances

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:48 AM)
good morning Frances! happy you could join us this am.

frances (ID=28) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:00 AM)
hi everyone

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:05 AM)
Hi Frances

DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:15 AM)
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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:17 AM)
Just wait til SuperBowl is here in 2005. Guaranteed I'll be watching that one no matter who is playing!

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:21 AM)
good morning Debby!

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:25 AM)
Hi Debby

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:33 AM)
Goodmorning Debby....boy, now there are 3 of us!

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:34 AM)
.oO(Didn't watch halftime....actually only caught pieces of the game as he was spending most of the early part of the game building a frontier town with his son)

DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:37 AM)
hI!

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:47 AM)
good morning Fances!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:00 AM)
Good for you Dr. J...that male bonding time!

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:06 AM)
Sorry about hte spelling Frances

frances (ID=28) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:15 AM)
Dr. J I have an app. with Dr. Chermack on this week , Do you know her?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:20 AM)
Goodmorning Debby .oO(Deb, debbie, Debby.....maybe this is the Debra/Deborah chat room) ;-)

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:49 AM)
No it's the Florida connection

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:10 AM)
Frances, yes I know Dr. Chermak very well. She is one of the "real experts" in the field of APD. Her approach to remediation and my approach share much in common.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:16 AM)
Yep...Ocala reporting for chat duty!

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:20 AM)
There does seem to be alot of Floridians in the room at times!

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:32 AM)
Dr J. Is there anyone in the Boston area with such expertise?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:56 AM)
Well, Jill, if it's the FLorida connection, I hope y'all can bring some sunshine up to the D.C. area.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:49:24 AM)
I'm from California where we have no electricity!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:49:25 AM)
We ned some here today too...looking rainy out there.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:49:52 AM)
I'll take the gray sky today, instead of no electricity!

frances (ID=28) (Jan 30, 2001 8:49:54 AM)
She is in Puerto Rico an she is going to do me the favor to see my 8 year old. I have a book on diagnosis!!!! you know how it is....

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:50:19 AM)
Carol, no, except for Frank Musiek (who has done much of his recent (past 10 years or so) work with Dr. Chermak. Dr. Musiek is in New Hampshire out of the Hancock HOspital (I think that's what it's called) affilliated with Dartmouth.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:50:32 AM)
Deb, what happened no electricity?

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:50:57 AM)
I read some of his stuff. Sounds great. I had an appt. in an audiology clinic but was seen by another speech/path.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:16 AM)
I mean Jill is in Calif., and she has no electricity...I'll take our gray skies over that....

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:17 AM)
Sorry, I mean, Jill what happened no electricity? Are you in the area hit so strongly by the rains and floods?

frances (ID=28) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:19 AM)
Can she do any test outside of an office?

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:29 AM)
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Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:54 AM)
Hi Laurie

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:54 AM)
Good morning laurie

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:55 AM)
France, what do you mean doing any tests outside of an office?

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:52:01 AM)
No California is currently having rolling brown outs because of a shortage

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:52:03 AM)
Good morning laurie

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:52:13 AM)
good morning Laurie

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:52:25 AM)
Sorry about the brown outs Jill.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:10 AM)
Are there didn't degrees to CAPD

frances (ID=28) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:16 AM)
she is in a hotel , because she is in some meetings here. What I mean is that she is going to see him in her hotel room , can she do something (test)?

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:19 AM)
Good morning all. I'm new here, so mostly I'll just listen in.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:28 AM)
Everybody, listen. Get on top of your nearest rug, rub you feet rapidly and send the electricity you create to Jill and the folk in California ;-) (Just kidding....But I hope they find a solution to the California energy problem)

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 8:55:27 AM)
Who are you, Dr. J?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:02 AM)
Frances. I would suspect that she may have some informal tests or some NON-Audiological tests or assessment tools that she can and will probably use in her hotel room. But, as for a formal assessment of auditory processing, no, that requires equipment that she may not have with her, unless, because she is doing an APD workshop or such, she has brought the equipment with her for that purpose and will use it in the hotel room. SO long as ambient (outside) noises are controlled, and she has a stereophonic tape recorder with her which is calibrated to the levels she wants for input and good earphones, she can do a complete APD assessment in the hotel room.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:25 AM)
Laurie, you asked me who I am. What are you asking for specifically? I am happy to answer your questions.

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:56 AM)
I see that you are host for this chat, but I don't know what your credentials or background is.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:04 AM)
Dr J is an audiologist from the Washington DC area who specializes in auditory processing disorders.

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:45 AM)
Dr. J, would a speech/path in an audiology clinic do formal assessments? She said Krystie has APD but can't diagnose CAPD. Is that something I need to have diagnosed or can I work with the APD diagnosis?

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:45 AM)
Dr J do you know of anyone in the San Jose California area?

frances (ID=28) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:57 AM)
I have to go but I will love to let you know what happen, when you are going to be here again?

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:11 AM)
Laurie, there is background information on Dr J posted on my website also at www.angelfire.com/fl2/capd/drj.html

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:38 AM)
Frances, please do let us know what happens. The morning chat is every other Tuesday am.

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:50 AM)
I'm here because my son has "a severe auditory processing disorder" and I'm looking for ideas on how to help him integrate into a public school classroom. He's 6 and currently in kindergarten. He cannot process when too much information comes at him at once.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:58 AM)
Good luck Frances!

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:00:50 AM)
Good luck Frances!

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:21 AM)
Laurie, just suggestions that I did, have your son tested at the school. They did a wide range of testing on my daughter and there found she had problems with audiological processing and set up a 504 which is a specific program the teacher follows just for her.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:31 AM)
Laurie, I hold a doctorate in audiology with a background in auditory perception and neuropsychology from Columbia University in New York City. I function primarily as an audiologist specializing in auditory processing, re/habilitation, and advocacy. I am dually certified as both an audiologist and speech-language pathologist. I have worked in a variety of settings including private practice, hospitals and clinics, schools, and academia. I have been involved in the area of APD (old term CAPD) for about 30 years (I started at age 5 years..... ;-) ), and I have presented numerous times internationally in the area of APD, and have developed my own model/approach to APD.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:36 AM)
Dr J have you written book

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:48 AM)
Dr J. my daughter is 7 with APD and wants to be a doctor, like you, to help kids, like her!

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:06 AM)
Carol that is wonderful! =)

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:13 AM)
That is so wonderful Carol!

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:19 AM)
She's ambitious to the point of anxiety

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:25 AM)
Carol. AN SLP DOES do formal assessments of speech, speech production, language (expressive and receptive or input and language understanding). An SLP may feel there are auditory processing problems based on language test results or impressions of behaviors during language exams, but an SLP does not usually have the tools nor the expertese/knowledge and equipment to formally assess APD.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:39 AM)
That's the fuel that will keep her going Carol!

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:20 AM)
That's what I thought but I wonder if having her further tested will do any good. Our main problem is the frustration she feels after expanding a huge amount of energy to accomplish a task.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:32 AM)
Anything to help me better understand CAPD The simulation was great but I need to understand how to get the teacher to understand

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:05:05 AM)
Jill, I made Krystie's teacher aware of the simulation.

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:05:15 AM)
My son has an IEP in place. However, I worry that he falls through the cracks because he "appears so normal" and people don't know when he's not "getting it". He's fine now because he is extremely bright and is way ahead of the kindergarten curriculum. But when he gets to something he doesn't already know, and has to learn a great deal from just listening to a teacher, I'm afraid he'll get lost.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:07 AM)
Carol, that is a wonderful ambition for her. Please share with her that I have APD as well. In school as a child, I was dx as emotionally disturbed because I was different. I did not learn the basics of reading (decoding) until 5th grade, and I still remember reading my first chapter book on my own with NO help in 7th grade. And, I have worked and struggled to make it and went on to earn a doctorate. Your daughter can be a doctor. There is NOTHING stopping her so long as she has perserverence, support from family and people she trusts who love her and understand her.....and mostly self acceptance and acceptance of self from within and from those who impact on her life the greatest!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:07 AM)
Jill....INFORMATION!!! I compiled a 'packet', pertaining to APD, and to MY son's APD issues...gave one to EVERY person whom he deals with at school, plus it is in his permanent file at school.

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:40 AM)
Laurie, that's just where I am with Krystie. She's in the 2nd grade and did get very lost in Kindergarten. She still loses a lot of info. but I know it happens.

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:07:02 AM)
Dr. J, that happened to my husband. He was held back in school 2 years and basically gave up

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:07:20 AM)
Mine is1st is left behind

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:08:17 AM)
Part of my problem with Krystie is she won't allow herself to miss out on something but the stress it causes, I'm afraid, will make her very sick

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:08 AM)
Carol. It is truly unfortunate that so many schools think that holding a child back is the answer to all the problems. ALl too often I meet with schools (as a school consultant) or with parents (as an advocate) and find that the question arises to hold a child back......my usual question in response is "In what way do you feel that holding a child back (repeating the same grade) will improve his/her (problem areas)?"

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:54 AM)
I agree

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:17 AM)
One of my worries with Travis also is the fact that because it takes him so long to process what he hears, and then more time to formulate and answer, he really cannot have appropriate social conversations. So the kids pretty much just ignore him. Which is a heartbreaker for me.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:25 AM)
Dr. J....we're going through that same thing right now with Travis...what good would holding him back do to correct his problem areas? NONE! His teacher and I are working SOOOOOOOO hard so this doesn't happen!

Lynne (ID=31) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:27 AM)
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Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:51 AM)
We don't have that problem with Krystie. She's working ahead of her grade level. I worry about the price it will pay on her health, mental and physical

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:52 AM)
They are telling us now that Timmy will need to repeat 1st because he isn't were the other kids are?!?

DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 9:11:07 AM)
Laurie,

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:11:16 AM)
Hi Lynne

Lynne (ID=31) (Jan 30, 2001 9:11:41 AM)
Hi Good Morning Room!

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:12:16 AM)
Laurie, what really can help is to teach Travis strategies that are socially appropriate to "stall" for time and to demonstrate that he is involved in the conversation and listening. Often what happens is that in the delay in processing (whether it is the input or APD side of the issue or output/expressive language part of the issue), the person with the problem provides no cues to others so they think that person is not listening or not attending to the converstation.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:12:31 AM)
Good morning Lynne

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:12:43 AM)
good morning Lynne!

Judy P (ID=32) (Jan 30, 2001 9:12:58 AM)
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Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:03 AM)
Dr. J help me to understand because Timmy has a poor short term memory All he learns need to go into his long term...sorry that sound so basic

Carol (ID=24) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:45 AM)
I have to go get Krystie ready for her pediatrician with her ear infection. See you tonight here in chat.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:46 AM)
Jill. What you should consider is getting this answer in writing......"In what way do the people who are "considering" having Timmy repeat 1st grade think that he will improve in whatever problem areas they identify MERELY by having the same program/same material presented to him a second time?"

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:49 AM)
good morning Judy P!

DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 9:15:41 AM)
Dr. J this happens to my daughter all the time. the problem is that most 7 year olds are not willing to expend the extra effort or time to allow her to stall so they skip off and my daughter is left behind. I suppose this strategy works better with older children who are will to to take the time to wait?

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:15:51 AM)
dr.j, do you think it better to keep Travis in a public school situation, where he is treated "like everyone else" or to put him into a private school with all LD kids for a couple of years? There is a school in my area that specializes in LD and their purpose is to keep a child for 2-3 years and then get them back into the public school scenario. My public school special ed staff feels that then, it would be difficult for Travis to adjust back to being in a "normal" class room.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:16:05 AM)
Dr J do you know of a good Audiologist in San Jose California area

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:16:48 AM)
Jill. YOU say that Timmy has a problem with short term memory. Well, what you need to find out specifically is WHAT is the underlying factor accounting for Timmy's problem with short term memory? Is it (1) getting information INTO memory? (2) holding information IN memory (3) sorting and organizing information in memory (4) retriving information FROM memory? Repeating a grade will NOT change a persons short term memory abilities unless there really is no short term memory disorder, but, rather a lack of maturation. THen, yes, in one more year, TImmy and everyone else will have matured one year more. But, will merely leaving Timmy alone for one year SOLVE his memory problems?

Lynne (ID=31) (Jan 30, 2001 9:17:28 AM)
Hi Good morning Dr. Jay I have a 12 year old that went through the same situation that Jill is now dealing with. Repeating the grade was not really helpful for mike. He needed to be taught a different way then other children.

DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 9:17:41 AM)
Jill,

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:17:56 AM)
Jill, There is an audiologist just outside the Bay Area.......trying to remember her name. I think she even calls her private practice something like Bay Area AUdiology services. I'm trying to remember her name.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:35 AM)
Do you guys ever feel like running to the hills and hiding

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:40 AM)
Dr J are you thinking of Dimitra loomos?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:07 AM)
Lynne. I underscore what you said. That is one of my greatest pet peeves ALl too often, schools and even professionals merely think that repeatition is sufficient either repeating a grade or being pulled out of class to review and go over the work already done in class as a mere repetition.

DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:24 AM)
I would have to agree. It was suggested my daughter repeat kindergarten (pre-first) when my instincts told me that her issues would not go away in a year becaue of maturity, She was already very big for her age and I felt another year would only emphasisze her size(difference) and thereby further isolate her

Lynne (ID=31) (Jan 30, 2001 9:20:43 AM)
I made the decision to send him to a langurage base school in CT. and now he is doing wonderfully in all of his subject.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:52 AM)
Debbie, thank you.....yes......Jill it's Dimitra Loomos or Loomas. I met her once in person and a few times email and on line. She seems to have a good feel for the whole child and APD. I do believe though that she may take what I call a neuromaturational and neurophysiological approach to APD. That is, I believe a lot of her model or approach to APD is based on the foundation that the underlying factor causing auditory processing problems is either a lack of devleopment (maturation) of or a disorder in the functioning of the central auditory nervous system. Thus, her approach to a 1st grader may be that the problem is developmental and maturational. But, you can definitely consider contacting her and if so, ask what is her specific approach to APD.

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:22:33 AM)
Debby, it sounds like Krystie has the same type of issues as my son. He's big for his age, and I had a developmental psychologist recommend to me that I keep Travis in pre-school for "as long as they'll let you". I did hold him back for one year, because he's and August baby anyway. But, his social development isn't that much improved in the one year.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:22:45 AM)
Jill, if you look at the website for the NCAPD the contact information for Dimitra Loomis is listed. I hope that helps you.

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:21 AM)
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DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:30 AM)
Laurie, my daughter is july 30 and I did a lot of wrestling with keeping her back. She is doing well in second grade but she still struggles everday, somedays harder than others . The social issues are often a propblem as she frequently misuderstands or misses cues from other kids and they leave her in the dust.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:47 AM)
Laurie...same thing with my son Travis...I kept him in nursery school (pre-K0 until he was 5, then kindergarten when he turned 6. He is now 8 and in 2nd grade...his b'day is in October...

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:51 AM)
Thank you Debbie when is this posted so my husband can read this he just left

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:25:04 AM)
Laurie, I was just checking back. You asked me about considering placement in public vs. private school. Laurie, as both a professional and as a parent........here's my insights on that. What are you thinking would be the things you'd like to see happen for Travis in ANY school? WHich school seems to be better able to provide for those things (Public or Private?) From my own experiences, I have found it is rarely the school that makes the difference but it is the teachers and adults who interact with the child and the entire or general environment of the situations (classroom being more important that school in general.

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:25:19 AM)
sorry, I get disconnect and I want to know when Dr. J is going to be back

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:25:41 AM)
Dr J hosts a chat every other Tuesday morning

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:26:04 AM)
when is the next.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:26:08 AM)
Frances, I will be back here at the chat in two weeks, but you can always reach me via email at drj@ncapd.org

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:26:09 AM)
Jill, I am behind on posting transcripts. I hope to catch up by Thursday evening.

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:26:56 AM)
thank you!!!!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:27:08 AM)
Frances...Feb.13th will be the next chat with Dr. J....

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:27:44 AM)
Deb and Laurie. I have often discussed and seen success in holding a child (especially boys in my experience) back (not repeating a grade, but waiting to go on to numbered grades (that is staying one more year in pre-school or a second year in Kindergarten) merely because the child is young for the grade.

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:27:47 AM)
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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:27:57 AM)
welcome back Judy P

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:28:19 AM)
dr.j, the special ed staff in the public schoo where he is currently enrolled is WONDERFUL. They love him. But they simply don't have time to spend as much one on one time with him as I think he needs. The private school has a ratio of 4.5 kids to one adult, with each child getting OT, Speech and Language, and other special attention daily. I think the private school would be marvelous, but they only keep him a couple of years before they send him back. Will he be totally lost at that point?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:13 AM)
That's interesting. I did not realize it, Deb, but the next chat will be on my birthday. I will be twoodeetwoo according to my son (right now he says I'm tendeeten, so next I'll be twoodeetwoo).

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:20 AM)
Dr. J...I think it definately helped Travis by keeping him in pre-school until he was 5...

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:23 AM)
Dr. J I have a friend that is a natural medicine Dr. and he told me to give my son pycnogenal. Do you know anything about this?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:04 AM)
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Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:06 AM)
Toooooo cute Dr. J!!! We'll have to all sing Happy Birthday to you!!! *L*...now, that should be interesting!

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:15 AM)
hi Andrea!

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:20 AM)
Hi, all!

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:33 AM)
Hi Andrea....

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:47 AM)
hi

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:31:23 AM)
We'll definitely have to have something special planned for that chat! That will also be pretty much the one year anniversary for the chat!! We started the chat with Dr J Feb 8th of last year!

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:31:27 AM)
I have a 9 year old daughter, adopted at age 5 from a Russian orphanage, who has significant issues with language, both receptive and expressive. She is a sweet, intelligent girl. From what I've leaned of CAPD, it seems to describe her. I am interested in pursuing Fast ForWord. The expense is daunting ($895 fee, plus $300/week to the SLP). Can you tell me if it is reasonable to administer it myself, or do you find it better if the SLP does it? Thanks.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:32:43 AM)
How does FastForward compare to Earobics

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:32:43 AM)
Wow...almost a year for the chat? And look at all of the people it has helped...THANK YOU Debbie and Dr. J!!!!!

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:33:20 AM)
Or is that comparing apple and oranges?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:34:49 AM)
Judy P My daughter did FFWD at age 7. We used an SLP to interpret the results, but did the actual program at home. It made it a little cheaper. My daughter has Sensory Integration dysfunction plus mild ADHD, so the going was a little tough sometimes. Be prepared to give lots of support and encouragement (plus goodies - we promised a bike at the end!) if you do it at home.

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:35:15 AM)
how does a child can beaffect by hearing since they birth two languages. my 8 year old talks perfect english and fluently and the problem that I have is in Spanish!!

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:36:21 AM)
I did use a speech therapist but it didn't help.

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:37:51 AM)
I plan to do FFW at home. She did not offer me a different price. I will call and clarify. The problem with the prize is that I have several children. Jealousy for the reward will be enormous: "What can *I* do to get an X?" Oh, well, I'll figure that one out.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:38:10 AM)
I also did FFW at home with my daughter and had the results interepretted by a SLP. It is very time consuming and at times where Sarah was struggling, it was very frustrating and draining, but I'd do it again to help her.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:16 AM)
Judy, I ran into the same problem of jealousy, I used smaller rewards and set my other daughter up on a learning program. they both "earned" rewards that way and both were learning.

DEBBY (ID=29) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:21 AM)
debbie, in what ways did fast forward help your daughter?

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:23 AM)
I actually plan to keep her at home from school in the morning to do the FFW. She's not getting a lot out of school anyway, right now. So that should help us focus. After school, and with the gang at home, would be IMPOSSIBLE!!!

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:33 AM)
you can tell him that you are going to take him to a place that he likes.

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:38 AM)
Debbie, from a parent's point of view, how did it benefit your daughter? I'm not sure if there was any improvement change for Jessie.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:05 AM)
Do you rent the program to do at home and what is a good age?

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:42 AM)
I've never done this chat before. Does Dr. J come and go as his schedule allows?

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:43 AM)
How long does it take can it been done over the summer?

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:44 AM)
Is there a place that I can get information on those programs?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:46 AM)
You actually buy the program, but only can have access through the internet, so it's useless if you're not activated by your SLP.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:41:10 AM)
Andrea, at the same time that Sarah went through FFW, we also started using an FM system in the school. Between the two together, I started seeing Sarah being able to express herself verbally and in writing better. I can say the changes were due to FFW or the FM , but I think tothe combination of the two.

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:41:17 AM)
Information is on the web at www.scientificlearning.com for FastForWord

frances (ID=33) (Jan 30, 2001 9:41:26 AM)
I'm in Puerto Rico and we don't have anthing here.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:41:58 AM)
Earobics is at www.earobics.com They have a demo on the web of the program.

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:42:17 AM)
There is a site for Earobics too: it's on the floater at the top of the screen! Click on it the next time it floats by.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:42:29 AM)
Laurie, if I understand what you are saying, you feel that the greater the individual attention in general the better for your son and he can get more individual attention in private school. But, you like the special ed people at the public school. Well, you can always get the special education services beyond what the school provides on a private basis outside of school. That may provide your son with the boost he needs and the everyday situations in the private school could be best. As for sending him back to the public school after X number of years, is your goal to keep him in special education services or are you hoping that he will develop appropriately and strategies will be there so he CAN function in public school.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:42:39 AM)
If you look on my website at www.angelfire.com/fl2/capd there are also links to both sites. =)

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:42:51 AM)
I'm at work and I need to go. Where does this get posted later?

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:42:59 AM)
I have it but its too early to tell Does anyone have an idea how long it takes to complete one Disc.?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:43:12 AM)
Debbie, Hmmm. My daughter is in open classroom right now. The district doesn't want to move her, so *we're* moving! Jessie gets migraines and I'm hoping moving will help. She's okay with verbal expression (can't stop talking, actually).

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:43:28 AM)
Jill. Earobics takes as long as the child needs.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:43:37 AM)
Transcripts will be on website at www.angelfire.com/fl2/capd at the entry to chat.

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:43:55 AM)
How do I address a question to Dr. J?

frances (ID=36) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:08 AM)
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laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:09 AM)
dr.j, my ultimate goal would be to help him develop strategies that would allow him to succeed without all the special attention.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:12 AM)
Andrea, Sarah can talk nonstop also...but making sense and being clear is different story.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:19 AM)
just ask judy p......

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:21 AM)
You just did...BTW, is that Judy PAW ;-) (just kidding)

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:41 AM)
Ahhhh! Sometimes she just rambles on and we don't get it.!

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:45:31 AM)
Dr J: My question is, do you think it matters if parents administer FFW, or if parents self-administer? The $ difference is pretty signigicant.

frances (ID=36) (Jan 30, 2001 9:45:39 AM)
can someone tell me if it is aerobics or earobics?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:45:41 AM)
Laurie, then you need to find the special professional help to develop those strategies. ANd you need tofind professionals who take a family centered focus to intervention in which they work not only with your child but also and most importantly helping you work with and live with your child.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:46:05 AM)
frances...it's Earobics

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:46:30 AM)
dr.j, do you know anyone in the Denver area?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:47:09 AM)
Judy. There is NO administration to Fast ForWord (FFW). It's what do you do to teach the child strategies for "beating the games" or winning. FFW only provides practice. WIll you as a parent know what to do to TEACH your child what to do to win or complete the practice work provided by FFW or any other program instruction?

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:48:16 AM)
I haven't seen it yet. I have certainly felt comfortable doing Earobics with her. Does FFW require a higher skill level?

frances (ID=36) (Jan 30, 2001 9:48:44 AM)
Is there is something in Spanish?

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:49:08 AM)
Have you seen parents self administer? Also, if there is no "administration" for it, what am I being charged $300/week to do? Thanks.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:49:24 AM)
frances....I believe there is for Earobics...you can check out their web site, and it will tell you.

frances (ID=36) (Jan 30, 2001 9:49:45 AM)
and the fast forward?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:49:52 AM)
Laurie. Unfortunately, I do not know any professionals who are considered knowledgeable about APD in the Denver area. However, if you can find an audiologist who can do the APD testing, you can ask what is that audiologist's approach or model of APD, how does that audiologist approach remediation and intervention, and see if the answers to these questions satisfy your concerns. If not, you can always get the testing done locally and then find a consultant even at a distance using what is now called telemedicine or teleconsultation to look over, review the test data and make interpretations and help you with your child and help you find the services needed.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:50:25 AM)
frances....not sure on the FFW...again, check out the web site, and it should tell you.

frances (ID=36) (Jan 30, 2001 9:50:43 AM)
Thank You.....

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:50:54 AM)
frances....you are very welcome!

frances (ID=36) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:15 AM)
I'll see all of you next time....

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:19 AM)
Dr J, I only sat there and made sure she finished by the number of minutes. She did progress to a certain degree (some more than others), but wasn't required to be at 100% for all. I didn't intervene at all during her actual time listening/playing, except to say to quiet down and listen.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:28 AM)
Bye Frances....stop back!

laurie (ID=30) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:39 AM)
Thanks to everyone. Bye.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:59 AM)
Bye Laurie...

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:52:10 AM)
Judy, Since I don't know your skill level and I don't know what you have provided as strategies and intervention with your child when you did work on Earobics, I can't answer. But, I have worked with parents monitoring their own children by keeping in touch with them and training them via in internet (email and chat) on what to do to help their child develop strategies and "beat" the games....basically that is the goal of Earobics and FFW to win because you can process the information better.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 9:53:41 AM)
Can insurance pay for an audiologist?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:54:00 AM)
Wow, beat the games? strategies? This is new to me ...

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:54:20 AM)
Andrea, then you did not provide remediation at all. What you did was provide practice and you hoped that your child through this practice self developed the skills and matured sufficiently to develop the skills. It is this lack of practice and lack of intervention that I have found to be most problematic with ALL computer practice (so called training) programs like Earobics and FFW and even the "cookbook" approaches when a professional just does what is in the program book and does not individualize for the child's needs.

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:54:50 AM)
Dr. J, is there more to Earobics that sitting and listening, and doing what they say? I function as a "facilitator" for her if she seems overwhelmed. E.g. on the CC Coal Car, if she is missing a lot, I "pause" it and discuss what to listen for. Is FFW similar. If so, I feel I could do it. How can I work with you to do this?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:55:25 AM)
Wow, I thought my SLP was supposed to be excellent (no names), but I thought she even knew Paula Tallal.

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 9:55:40 AM)
Can you discuss those strategies with Earobics a bit. Thanks.

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 9:55:54 AM)
What would be an example of a "strategy" to beat the game?

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:56:12 AM)
Dr J one thing I personally find very frustrating, is that when many parents are given the tools such as FFW, Earobics, an FM, etc, they are not given the strategies to use them! Later after we've spent the money and time to "help" our kids with these strategies, we find out we did not neccessarily use them correctly after all.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:56:12 AM)
Andrea and all, there are essentially two factors that generally can be considered underlying the reasons a child has auditory processing problems. One is developmental or what is usually called neuromaturational. This factor can come from a variety of reasons, but its base is that the child's system is not yet mature or the child has not yet developed the skills for processing auditory inforamtion. Thus, providing focal practice especially intensive practice will provide the materials to allow the system to develop.

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debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 9:58:53 AM)
Deb, perhaps this is one thing we should ask about tomorrow when we are at the presentation for Earobics. Effecitive strategies for parents using Earobics at home?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 9:59:20 AM)
The second factor (in general) is a variety of factors or causes that may be called disorders or lumped as dysfunctioning. That is, the system does not function appropriately and efficiently for processing of auditory inforamtion. FOr these factors of system dysfunction, merely practicing may continue the same errors, the same inefficient ways to process, the same problems to be strengthened. Thus, the child does not improve but, overtime, may actually get worse. It's like having a house built on a poor foundation. The higher the structure the more likely it will fall. For dysfunctioning, you need to provide strategies for processing, teach the rules of how to process, teach how to think, how to decide, how to use the auditory information, what is present in the message that provides the cues for understanding, etc. This is called remediation or rehabilitiation not merely skill development.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 10:00:08 AM)
Debbie....*L*....I'm sittin ghere right now jotting down notes for tomorrow! Toooooo funny...there we go again...same wavelength!! *L*

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:00:30 AM)
OUCH! My kids are getting OT for Sensory Integration, so I will liken it to that.So, there was some benefit, but could have been more if an SLP were with her, right. Is there a list of SLPs using FFWD by state.

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:00:56 AM)
Or maybe no, benefit,, just a detrimental effect.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 10:00:58 AM)
debbie, that would be a great question to ask. Also, in asking that question....carefully listen to the answer. If the presenter cannot provide you with remediation strategies, then, the presenter is taking an approach to remediation that says that the mere use of Earobics (and possibly other programs) alone will develop the skills and "cure" the problem.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:00:59 AM)
Andrea, a list of providors for FFW is on the SLC website.

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:01:35 AM)
Thanks, never noticed.

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:02:10 AM)
Do you recommend an SLP that uses FFWD/EAROBICS over one who doesnt?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:02:32 AM)
I think it's time for me to find someone else.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 10:03:42 AM)
Andrea, when you check out the FFW list of providers, remember that is merely a list of those professionals (whatever their background) who have gone to FFW training seminars. It does NOT mean that they will do more than merely sit with your child and insure that he/she is working at the computer. Just being an SLP does NOT mean you understand processing and does not mean you know how to teach strategies and provide real rehabilitative intervention. You have to watch the SLP working and probe by asking What will you do with my child as he/she is doing the computer work? If possible ask to see an actual FFW session being done.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:03:49 AM)
Andrea, not neccessarily time t find someone else, but time to ask more questions about how each part will benefit your child and if they can not answer, then time to perhaps to look elsewhere.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 10:04:02 AM)
So what did parents do before computer and chat rooms?

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:05:13 AM)
Jill, personally before I started using mycomputer to look for help and founded this chat, I wandered around not getting anywhere and not knowing what to do to help Sarah.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 10:05:15 AM)
Andrea, first, for Earobics, you don't need a professional involvement. For FFW, the professional must be certified, so there is a limit. Used to be ONLY certified professionals can provide FFW even for home use. The idea was that the professional would work with the parent from a family centered approach to train the parent what to do, and not merely support or help the parent work on getting the kid to stay with the computer games.

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:06:46 AM)
What about traditional s/l therapy? Just as effective, perhaps?

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 10:06:47 AM)
Jill, parents met with parents locally or they HOPED they stumbled onto professionals who would take a family centered approach and really help them. The computer did not create anything new, it merely provided a way to access a greater amount of information from distances that could not be done before.

Jill (ID=22) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:59 AM)
Thank you for this morning need to get the troops to school We'll talk to you tonight all or on Dr. J's birthday !

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:09:20 AM)
My daughter has strong expressive and receptive language. She sailed through the Listening Comprehension part of the program. What does that mean? All our SLP told us was that she was a "top down listener".

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:09:24 AM)
bye Jill..Have a great day...dont forget about the parent chats on Tuesday nights from 8 to 10 pm EST

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 10:09:30 AM)
Bye Jill...see you tonight I hope!

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 10:09:39 AM)
Andrea, there is NO such thing as traditional Speech-Language therapy nor ANY traditional interventions. You should ALWAYS look for individualized work. Most interestingly........the IDEA law states the IEP must be written and the name IEP means INDIVIDUAL.........If the underlying problem to a child having auditory processing difficulties involves receptive lanugage or is TOTALLY a language based rather than an auditory based problem, then, SLP intervention would be appropriate. The bottom line is that you FIRST need to identify the areas of strength and weakness, the reasons or what I call underlying factors accounting for the weaknesses, then use the strengths to keep the child afloat and accommodate based on the strengths and work to change the factors that cause the weaknesses.

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:25 AM)
Well, I'm sorry but I just noticed the clock and it's after 10am. I have to go and prepare for my class. Hope everyone has a great week see you in two weeks, see you on the CAPD list. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me via email at drj@ncapd.org

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:41 AM)
Dr J, the SLP I spoke with (and will meet tomorrow) is planning to su.....Bye!

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:52 AM)
Thanks, dr. j! See you next time.

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:54 AM)
Bye Dr. J....have a great day...thanks for everything,,,,as always!

dr.j (ID=27) (Jan 30, 2001 10:13:04 AM)
Judy, email me and I'll finish the conversation later via email.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:13:05 AM)
bye Dr J....thanks for the insight this am

Judy P (ID=34) (Jan 30, 2001 10:13:36 AM)
This is a great chat. Where is the transcript posted?

Andrea (ID=35) (Jan 30, 2001 10:14:06 AM)
Not sure. Bye all.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:14:16 AM)
Judy, I am very behind on posting transcipts. they will be posted on the entry to the chat at www.angelfire.com/fl2/capd/chat.html

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Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 10:14:24 AM)
Debbie...I have to get going as well, if I want to amke it into chat tonight! I will try and get on early tonight...can't promise though....depends if Stan is home to help out with the boys. If not, I will see you in chat, and will bring the disc tomorrow.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:14:26 AM)
I hope to have them caught up by Thursday evening.

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:14:44 AM)
I will talk to you tonight Deb and See you tomorrow!!!

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:14:47 AM)
hi Sam

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 10:15:06 AM)
Ok Debbie...til tonight and tomorrow...look for that recorder! *L*

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:15:16 AM)
I"m looking *LOL* bye bye Deb

Deb (ID=25) (Jan 30, 2001 10:15:31 AM)
Bye!! You silly woman you!!!

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:15:51 AM)
Judy, I"m glad you found the chat helpful

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:16:25 AM)
Sam, you came in at the tail end of the chat, but there is another chat tonight at 8 pm EST if you'd like to join us for that chat!

sam (ID=38) (Jan 30, 2001 10:17:15 AM)
thanks debbie i was looking to observe site with dr j need more info

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:18:01 AM)
Dr J is not in the evening chat, but he will be back in this chat on Feb 13th again. or you can email him at drj@ncapd.org

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:19:19 AM)
I"ve got to run for now too. I have to take a friend to the dr. I hope to see you both in the evening chat.

sam (ID=38) (Jan 30, 2001 10:19:35 AM)
thanks im a 2nd shift worker and i will have to have hubby listen in when i cant . would you be able to tell me a little bit about this site my son is hyperlexia

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:20:54 AM)
this site is mainly devoted to auditory processing disorders. I"m not familiar wiht the term hyperlexia...can you explain?

sam (ID=38) (Jan 30, 2001 10:22:41 AM)
some call it a lanquage and speech disorder other autistic and yet others say that they have auditory pocessing disorder its all under abig vast umbrella many systems

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:23:45 AM)
Sam, I would recommend emailing dr j and asking him..im not an audiologist and would not want to giv eyou wrong info

debbie (ID=23) (Jan 30, 2001 10:26:09 AM)
I"ve got to run for now..will be back in chat tonight at 8 pm EST ..have a great day

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dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 1:48:51 PM)
Good afternoon, Debbie. How are you this pm/ How has your day been?

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 1:49:51 PM)
hi Dr J....my day has been good so far...Went to check the PO Box and there were two more memberships!

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 1:49:58 PM)
How has your day been?

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 1:51:55 PM)
Very good. Really good class discussion. I don't know if you had a chance to see Gideon's Crossing on ABC television last night (I think it was 10-11 pm). It was on cochlear implants. So, the class began with a discussion of the program (brought up by the students, themselves.) Really good discussion of a LOT of issues including advocacy, professional vs. family centered approaches and laws pertaining to audiologists working with children (the girl in the tv show was 14 years old.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 1:53:08 PM)
No I did not see the program. It sounds like class went very well indeed!

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 1:55:21 PM)
Are these your doctoral students?

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 1:55:46 PM)
It's when the students, themselves, bring up topics and want to discuss them openly that I know I'm doing a good job as a professor. We really hit on some very heavy issues including both the professional's and the school's obligations and responsibilities as well as what I (as a non-lawyer) could help the students understand about the legalities and laws affecting children, parents, schools, and audiologists/professionals. Regardless of whether it was about children with cochlear implants, hearing loss or APD, it was a great discussion and lasted for about 1 hour (most of the class time.....but well spent).

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 1:57:44 PM)
yes. This semester I am teaching two classes for doctoral students only (one is today/thursday's Aural Re/Habilitiation in Children course and tonights APD class). On thursday night I am co-teaching a graduate level (not specific to doctoral students) class in Cochlear Implants (actually it is taught in the Dept. of Social Work to a group of graduate and doctoral students in social work, counseling and one student from the Education graudate program).

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 1:58:22 PM)
If the students themselves become concerned about topics such as the child's welfare and not just making the diagnosis,that is 1/2 the battle. Diagnosing the problem is not enough. It's not fair to hand a parent a diagnosis (no matter what type of disorder) and not tell them what to do to remeadiate or overcome the disorder.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:02:12 PM)
Yes. Additionally, as was the main point of the class discussion, the aspect of Advocacy and Responsibility came up and was a great discussion. As you would guess, I am a very strong believer in family and client advocacy and feel strongly about who is responsible for decision making, providing information, and insuring that the law (ADA and IDEA) is followed in the best interests of the child based on the family's decisions of what is best for their child with the child's input at appropriate age.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:03:21 PM)
I know you do feel very strongly about child advocacy. Wasn't that part of the motivating factor for you going into private practice? To help families and children?

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:06:26 PM)
I ended up going to see Sarah's teacher again this a.m. before school. Once again Sarah brought home a test that was corrected incorrectly. This time it was a pop quiz with only 5 questions so each one was worth 20% of the grade. The teacher marked two wrong (although only one was wrong). I went with Sarah this time to call it to the teacher's attention and to have her grade corrected. That was the difference between a F and a C on her test and ALOT of self esteem.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:06:33 PM)
Yes. That is true. BTW, I tried to send you an email with an attachment of an annotated list of websites/webpages for info on APD as per our discussion last week. DId you receive it? I sent it just before I logged on here (one reason I was a little late) from the Gallaudet email. I don't know if it did or did not get through????

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:07:02 PM)
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dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:07:42 PM)
(Being sarcastic) Isn't it wonderful when teachers really care about students and are there to support them, help them, move them forward?!

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:09:26 PM)
I just checked my ATT email and I received the copy I sent. FUnny I did not see it on the Gallaudet email. I would suspect you got your copy.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:10:17 PM)
checking now...i just sent you a list of sites also.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:10:41 PM)
Im not showing i've recieved the list yet.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:11:20 PM)
The list I sent was in an email.. I dont know if the links will come out or not.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:11:53 PM)
There is a new website being launched this week by Dr Robert Keith at www.capdtest.com The site is not up as of yet but is suppose to be by the end of the week.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:13:42 PM)
I just got the listing you sent..reviewing it now............

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:13:42 PM)
Debbie, I'll send another copy from my att webmail. BRB.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:13:55 PM)
No I won't I just read you note.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:14:32 PM)
did you see note on site by robert keith?

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:14:41 PM)
I'll BRB and check to see if I have your list. Also, I did not know of Dr. Keith's site. I would like to check it once it's up.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:18:30 PM)
i'm back..looking at listing now

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:21:51 PM)
What I envision doing on the links page is breaking the websites down into catergories. perhaps pages by professionals, non professionals. associations, government/educational links, educational programs etc......

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:24:05 PM)
Sorry, I got a phone call I had to take on that chapter I finished (I was working on it last week) from the editor. LOoks really good and the books shouldbe published this coming summer.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:24:46 PM)
Fantastic! Congratulations!

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:25:41 PM)
That was the book on cochlear implants, correct?

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:25:58 PM)
Your idea of the breakdown is great. I'm not sure how you would want to do the breakdown since, for example, if I were a parent, and the breakdown were Websites created by professionals, I might not want to go there because I am not a professional, but the info at that site might be exactly what a parent needs to read. So, maybe we can both review the various websites and come up with a table of contents/grouping that makes user sense.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:26:54 PM)
I was thinking along the line of sites created by professionals or nonprofessionals...not sites for each group............

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:27:05 PM)
Do you want to go through the sites together?

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:27:56 PM)
Yes, debbie. That is the book on cochlear implants. My chapter is very technical. It's even called Cochlear Implants: A Technological Overview. The phone call from the editor said he received my copy yesterday (I finished the work yester day and sent as an email attachment). He asked if I'd be willing to review their chapter on the History of Cochlear Implants and contribute to that chapter as well. SO, I'm now into providing input into another chapter in that book.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:28:03 PM)
looking at the list you sent me...the first 4 would be sites by parents (nonprofessionals) We could also include graeme's site here.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:29:28 PM)
debbie, thank you for the clarification. Yes, maybe things like Sites created by Professionals (Audiologists and SLP), Other professionals (neuropsychologists, educators, teachers), orgnaizations (ASHA, Educational Audiology Association, other groups), parents, others.....good idea.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:30:24 PM)
Oh, that's funny, I forgot to add Graeme's site to my list. I need to do that and give it to the students as an additional site. That list came from an attachment to the syllabus for my APD class.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:30:45 PM)
I"d also like to include links to information on the 504 and the IDEA and IEP's. WE do not have to claim to be authorities, just showing where paren'ts can go to get information.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:30:54 PM)
BRB, let me check my email and get the list you sent to me and look at that as well.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:31:34 PM)
I have some excellent links on the 504/ADA and IDEA including wright's law. I'll send that info to you from my Aural Re/Habilitiation (AR) class.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:31:38 PM)
BRB

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:32:34 PM)
I know alot of the information from site to site is redundant, but sometimes reading it in a little bit different language or reading and rereading will finally help someone make sense of what they are reading......

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:33:39 PM)
debbie, I have the following from you...which is the list? Minutes from the NCAPD - New file upload?

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:33:57 PM)
alos one that is called Ask Dr.J!

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:33:59 PM)
this was sent as Websites of interest

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:34:08 PM)
Ask Dr J was a chat announcement

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:34:50 PM)
subject was all in caps

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:35:18 PM)
Did you send it to me at the ATT email ? I don't see it?

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:35:36 PM)
i sent it to galludet since you were at work....

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:37:28 PM)
Oh, I'll check that email then. Sorry. That's ok. BTW, FYI, even though I'm here at Gallaudet, I can and do check my ATT email via a special address on IE. SO, you can alwasy send things to me at ATT if you want. And it's better. The Gallaudet email is constantly shutting down, not working, etc.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:39:20 PM)
will do from now on..I have a feeling the links are not coming through in the email anyway..just the names of the site.....i have to send differently if you are not on aol or cs. and I didnt think of that...

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:40:02 PM)
Anyway, I can always review them after our chat. What I'd suggest is that you and I (both, independently) check out each of the sites and decide what's good and what's not worth mentioning. Please note that not all of the sites on my list I sent to you (that I used for my class) as good sites. One of the projects in class is for each student to choose one site and review it (annotated review like a book review) and determine the strengths and weaknesses of the site and determine (if it isn't apparent) what approach to APD the person on the site has taken (using the main or major part of the site not the links).

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:41:21 PM)
When you say links, do you mean if I receive the list, I could automatically click on a name and go to the site as a hyperlink? That should work for my email to you....did that work in my list to you?

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:41:34 PM)
I will work on putting a page up on the website (but not linked in) that we can work off of....the addy will be www.ncapd.org/links.htm

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:41:47 PM)
Yes, and it did work in the list you sent to me.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:42:15 PM)
Making a note of that page /links.htm

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:44:09 PM)
We can send notes back and forth about the links on site and work on rearranging and categorizing.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:44:53 PM)
Do you know if there are any links online to the paper from the Consensus out in Texas last year? I see you have a link to the ASHA statement on APD

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:44:59 PM)
That would be great. When you say notes, you mean via email. I would assume I can view the links.htm page, but only you can write to that page, and I'd rather it be only one person writing to the page.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:46:11 PM)
as of right now I am the only person who can write on the pages for the NCAPD, but I can make any changes you recommend. Yes, the notes would be via email.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:47:35 PM)
No, but that was one of the assignments for a group in my APD class for tonight. Last week and this week, the class (20 students) were divided into groups of 2 (10 groups) and each group chose a professional in APD and had to research two things: (1) What is that professional's definition of APD and (2) Generally, what is their approach to APD [this means, for example using myself, my model or approach is that APD has various areas or categories, and our goal is to identify the strengths and problems within each of the different categories and provide accommodations and remediation within the underlying category of weakness.]

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:47:41 PM)
If there were ever an emergency where I could not access any of the NCAPD information, (chats, sites, records, etc.) woody has all the neccessary information for passwords etc......

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:48:48 PM)
One group was assigned or chose the ASHA COnsensus as their investigation and the other chose the Texas group. The ASHA group presented with some other students last week and this week the Texas group will present. So, I'll see if they found any weblinks to that paper. DO you have the Texas consensus group statement?

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:49:15 PM)
That's fine. I would not expect any emergency to arrise.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:49:20 PM)
Yes I do have the statement. I also have the ASHA statement.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:50:10 PM)
Debbie, if you don't mind (I'm log into my Gallaudet email) when did you send your list to me?

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:50:23 PM)
I sent it at the beginning of this chat.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:50:40 PM)
Found it......... BRB

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:52:55 PM)
The links DO work on my gallaudet email. I just forwarded a copy to my ATT email so I can do work on it at home. BTW, I am logging onto the Audiologyonline chat this pm with Dr. Lips. I'll share with you what occurs there. ANd, I'll see if they archive their chats and will download and send you the archives or I'll give you the website to obtain them yourself.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:53:07 PM)
I don'

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:53:55 PM)
I knwo I have a paren't chat at the same time, but I was also hoping to be able to log into part of the chat.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:54:04 PM)
I don't know if the links will come through when I forward your list to my ATT account. Maybe in the future, you can try doing the list in MS-WORD and send as an attachement then, any MS word program will be able to read them.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:54:23 PM)
Well, if you do, I might see you tonight as well.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:54:23 PM)
will do for future reference.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:54:51 PM)
I was really hoping to touch basis with dr m since I'll be in gainesville tomorrow.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:55:42 PM)
My sister called me last night. She is flying to Washington DC next week to present a proposal for a government contract with the FCC..she wanted to know if I would like to go with her. Too bad it's not possible at this time.

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:58:33 PM)
Yes, that would be great. Debbie. Please send me more info about your sister coming to D.C. And, maybe we can chat later this week more on that. I see it's almost 3pm. I must excuse myself only today. I have a meeting I must attend at 3pm, and I need to make one stop on the way (men's room) and then to the meeting. ANyway, maybe I'll see you tonight at dr. M's chat. Otherwise, email the info about your sister. I'd love to get together with her and maybe we can invite her for dinner or something depending on when she'll be in etc. I'll speak with you soon. Bye for now. Sorry to have to run.

debbie (ID=40) (Jan 30, 2001 2:59:41 PM)
I will talk to you throughout the week. Have a great week Dr J

dr.j (ID=41) (Jan 30, 2001 2:59:46 PM)
If you COULD come to D.C. that would be even better, but maybe another time. But, it would be nice to meet her if she's available and to possibly get together for lunch or something.\

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Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:13:50 PM)
Hi Kathy!

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:14:32 PM)
Hi Tammy I was playing solitaire

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:15:08 PM)
I had to chase my husband off the computer...that's what he was doing too!

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:15:49 PM)
It's been awhile since I've joined in the chat. Anything new going on?

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:15:50 PM)
I seem to get here before everyone.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:16:19 PM)
I usually show up after everyone else has left!

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:16:46 PM)
I don't know, mostly people trying to get the public school or staff to cooperate

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:18:31 PM)
Do you have problems with that too? Ours finally is giving CJ some services but it was a real battle.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:19:22 PM)
Do you have a child with CAPD?

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:19:29 PM)
My son is four he doesn't have a dx yet. therefore he is in a communications disorders classroom two mornings a week...

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:19:51 PM)
Does he have a speech impediment?

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:20:02 PM)
regular preschool three mornigs I have not had the problems yet that some have had

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:21:06 PM)
no he has a language delay... he tested out of all speech services...which means nothing but that he des not need to work on his articulation just talking more

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:21:38 PM)
CJ started with speech in school when he was in preK. They finally started giving him his language arts in a small group/one on one instruction a couple of months ago.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:22:03 PM)
he is in the same class with the same teacher and kids as when he was recieving "speech" but the teacher changed emphasis for him..

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:22:21 PM)
How old is CJ

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:22:34 PM)
So he knows how to pronounce the words but not what they mean?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:22:40 PM)
CJ is 8 now.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:23:40 PM)
sort of...he knows what they mean but if there are distractions or more than a few words together he doesn't always understand. He also does not express things well.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:24:46 PM)
for instance he knows his colors shapes and numbers can match and sort, but he can't tell us where the "Three little kittens lost their mittens" any answer will do

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:25:15 PM)
like on the floor in their pocket on their head

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:25:40 PM)
CJ has problems expressing himself too. He keeps starting his sentences over and can not write his homework "stories" without being told what to write about. If you get him started, he is usually okay.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:26:06 PM)
Does he answer "yes" to everything you ask?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:26:23 PM)
CJ does that all the time...even though he has no idea what you asked him!

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:26:29 PM)
he doesnt know songs and kiddie ryhmes His expressive language was mostly based on memorized lines from movies...he is mostly past that now

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:27:22 PM)
no, mostly no

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:27:48 PM)
CJ just this past Christmas started singing Christmas carols.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:27:57 PM)
his second language only comes out if he is really excited and really really needs to tell you something

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:28:14 PM)
great

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:29:15 PM)
It aggravates me with his teacher because she'll ask him if he understands and he answes "yes". I keep asking her to have him tell her what he is supposed to do but she either forgets or is in too big of a hurry.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:29:17 PM)
I sing badly and William tells me to stop, so he never gets the stuff I try to sing to him. He is starting to sing with movies and tapes... a word here a word there

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:29:25 PM)
What do you mean by "second language"?

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Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:30:06 PM)
Well, then he must be picking up some of what he's hearing.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:30:11 PM)
Hi spike!

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:30:19 PM)
I guess answering yes al the time is a problem.. I think the no thing is that most 2 year olds say no alot and he never did then so I get it now.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:30:44 PM)
Does he seem a little delayed in any other areas?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:31:40 PM)
Spike, do you have a child with CAPD?

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:31:40 PM)
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Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:31:49 PM)
Hi Debbie!

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:31:51 PM)
hi there everyone..sorry im late

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:31:54 PM)
His second language was when he was younger and he wanted to talk and could not get the words right.. much later than others It is only been the last six months or so that it has gone.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:31:55 PM)
how are you doing Tammy?

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:32:04 PM)
Hi Debbie

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:32:22 PM)
Pretty good, thanks. How about you?

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:32:28 PM)
got the phamplet on the seminar in May in Clearwater.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:32:54 PM)
hi Kathy

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:33:01 PM)
hi Spike, how are you tonight?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:33:08 PM)
what seminar?

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:33:21 PM)
tried to get info on the one in March, but the site Dr hall sent out doesnt work..

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:02 PM)
I have www.hp.ufl.edu/cd/seminars

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:06 PM)
There is a conference in Clearwater sponsored by the U of F in March, Im not sure about one in May

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:37 PM)
I am going to the U of F tomorrow for a presentation on Earobics. I will check on other conferences and dates.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:34:42 PM)
The one in May is at Morton Plant Hospital in Clearwater

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:51 PM)
the 12th mostly geared toward professionals got the initial info from a friend of a friend who is a SLP in Pinellas County

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:35:54 PM)
Kathy, who is sponsoring that one?

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:36:27 PM)
Educational REsources, Inc. from Medfield ,MA

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:12 PM)
also given in Staten Island in Feb.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:13 PM)
Kathy, can you send me any info that you have on that conference? including costs and sesssions

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:21 PM)
yes

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:23 PM)
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debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:32 PM)
hi Alanna

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:36 PM)
$199.00

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:37:40 PM)
Hi Everyone

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:38:11 PM)
is it a one day or two day conference

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:38:19 PM)
one

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:38:33 PM)
will get with you later to find out were to send info

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:38:57 PM)
ok Kathy....you can send it to any of my emails that you may have

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:39:01 PM)
please let us know about the one in CLw in March

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:40:15 PM)
will do...

spike (ID=47) (Jan 30, 2001 8:40:19 PM)
I'm just learning how to do this and the keyboard is not cooperating very well!!!!!!

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:40:35 PM)
i'm finishing homework with a little one..sorry if slow responding.

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:40:44 PM)
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Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:01 PM)
HI Kathyc

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:09 PM)
hi kathy

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:32 PM)
hi kathyc

spike (ID=47) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:37 PM)
Hi ///////////////////////Kathyc

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:41:57 PM)
hi, hi, hi to all!!

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:42:01 PM)
spike, it can take a bit of getting use to, if you've not been a chat before

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:43:16 PM)
okay - my drew was seen in buffalo in november - diagnosed with severe capd in left ear, but extremely more so in the right ear. this is the ear he has had repeated ear infections earlier with a tube. talk about weird - everyone we see says they have never seen anything like him.

spike (ID=47) (Jan 30, 2001 8:44:21 PM)
I'm sure I will get the hang of it quicker than getting the doctors to listen to what I tell them about my son!

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:19 PM)
I didn't realize that CAPD could be in varying degrees in each ear? Tell me more.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:45:51 PM)
I know with my daughter, her left ear seems to have more trouble than her right...the left ear has not matured the way it should

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:19 PM)
I understand that actual hearing can be of different degrees.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:46:50 PM)
each ear operates independently also so they can have different levels of processing.

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:08 PM)
Of course, that make sense.

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:41 PM)
well.......we originally thought that his capd was due to his severe prolonged anoxia at birth (lack of oxygen), however the extreme differences between left and right I don't think would be due to that......he can hear according to the ABR, but can't process - less so in the right ear...for whatever reason. He couldn't do any of the testing with background noise. their recommendation is to plug the bad ear during difficult subjects at school, then plug the good ear and attempt to "retrain" it....not sure how......

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:47:43 PM)
be back in a moment..have to finish homework with Kendra

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:18 PM)
CJ's capd is also much more severe in his left ear. however, he also has a significant problem with his right.

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:24 PM)
Do you see specific processing problems with each ear?

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:43 PM)
he has a hard time locating the source of the sound

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:48:56 PM)
tammy - i am interested to find that maybe it's not just drew!

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:49:34 PM)
believe me, it's not just him! i used to think the same thing about cj until i started talking to other people.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:49:41 PM)
does anybody elses child ask what's that sound alot?

spike (ID=47) (Jan 30, 2001 8:49:53 PM)
My son is now 15 and the Dr kept saying ADHD till Aug this past year Then it is now bipolar type 2 and I'm stilltrying to get them to do a capd evaluation on him

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:50:00 PM)
what a relief! - kathy - he just says "what?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:50:35 PM)
that's CJ--WHAT??

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:50:52 PM)
how old is cj?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:18 PM)
"what is in about every other sentence. cj is 8.

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:36 PM)
drew will be 8 on 3/24 also.

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:51:52 PM)
he asks about the dishwasher, the icemaker, a man mowing down the street , not just speech sounds he never has asked us to repeat anything to him, he also will not repeat for us unless it is a basic need

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:52:19 PM)
"What" is always used by Steve. He can't handle alot of sequencing.

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:52:40 PM)
mine gets really frustrated if/when i can't understand what he is trying to say to me or tell me.

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:09 PM)
Mine will retell a story (out of order) and not realize it.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:11 PM)
CJ has problems with sequencing too...please don't give him a list of things to do that more than two long. if you do, you can bet he will confuse them.

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:31 PM)
BINGO!! Steve too!

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:53:45 PM)
CJ stops talking if you make him repeat something more than twice.

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 8:54:01 PM)
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Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:54:07 PM)
Its becoming a problem, because his younger sister is starting to call him on it.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:54:09 PM)
Hi Jill!

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 8:54:24 PM)
can they read? after listening to a seminar several weeks ago , someone suggested that we write done or use pictures to many step directions..

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:54:31 PM)
drew also has apraxia on top of it - so if I try to get him to try harder to speak appropriately - forget it!! how does CJ do in school? does he have an aide or pull out time? learning to read is a challenge as is spelling

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 8:54:34 PM)
Good evening

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:55:12 PM)
Steve is 10 and can read,. Decoding is okay, comprehension is very poor.

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:55:20 PM)
drew is starting to read - mostly sight words - sounding out right now is out of the question. any word starting with f is fish. we have used sign since he was 2 to clarify unclear thoughts/words.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:55:23 PM)
My five year old is doing things CJ has a lot of trouble with. I know it really frustrates CJ but I don't want to discourage Cameron.

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:03 PM)
tammy - same - my angelisa is almost 6 and reading of course - for now they are about on the same level - but soon to be bypassed.

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:08 PM)
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debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:19 PM)
i'm back....

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:34 PM)
hi jenny's kid and anyone else I missed when they came in~

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:39 PM)
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debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:47 PM)
hi Diane

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 8:56:56 PM)
You put in a long day Debbie

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:02 PM)
Hi Debbie

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:03 PM)
Hi Debbie :)

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:05 PM)
Hi All

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:11 PM)
comprehension is difficult also. just getting the words is an accomplishment for now.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:13 PM)
CJ gets special classes for speech and language arts. the rest of the time he is in a "normal" classroom. He just learned to read this past June but still has trouble sounding out new words.

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:19 PM)
Weren't we here 12 hours ago

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:35 PM)
I have a question

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:38 PM)
My son can speaks in good sentences, but loses it when he has to put it down on paper/

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:51 PM)
have any of you heard of an LLD class?

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 8:57:59 PM)
yes Jill I think we were *L*

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:58:23 PM)
what is LLD?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 8:58:25 PM)
Kathyc, does the signing help? I've considered using it to help CJ but had heard he would come to depend on it instead of speech.

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:00 PM)
Dr. J is a great source of information I have been sharing all day...Kent is looking forward to reading the archives

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:09 PM)
It is a Language Learning Disability class

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:17 PM)
it has helped immensely tammy. i have heard the same, but also read that it helps them, decreases frustration, and allows them to concentrate more on the speech. it has helped all of us!

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:21 PM)
What did you chat about this am ?

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:45 PM)
LLD sounds great! is it all the same age, same ability - all kids from district or at each school?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 8:59:58 PM)
Yes I was at an IEP meeting and missed it

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 9:00:18 PM)
What are the groups like? what is done?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:00:41 PM)
There are a total of three classes in our area that are less than 7 miles away

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 9:00:49 PM)
Brain is fuzz But very basic for us new kids on the block

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:12 PM)
I don't know much about it

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:23 PM)
5:30 is early....

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:29 PM)
I am going to set up an appointment to go observe

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:34 PM)
I wish I could attend one of the am chats but i'm working at school

Kelly (ID=54) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:38 PM)
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jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:48 PM)
Hi Kelly

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:49 PM)
Hi Kelly!

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:53 PM)
be back in a minute - my kids insist they hear a "ghost" in the bathroom..........

Kelly (ID=54) (Jan 30, 2001 9:01:54 PM)
HEY GIRLS!

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:06 PM)
After this morning I going to read all the archives

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:29 PM)
Why what was different?

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:32 PM)
Will this am's chat be posted in the archives soon ?

Kelly (ID=54) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:36 PM)
I was just trying to search the archives for anything regarding anger in young kids. Do ya'll have hot tempered or strong willed children?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:59 PM)
YES!!!!!!! but they are not my APD kids

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:02:59 PM)
Mine can be

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:33 PM)
Diane, I am behind on archiving chats and hope to catch them up this week, but I will be out of town tomorrow

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:42 PM)
Mine is my littlest and she is a red head and has that red head temper I always heard so much about

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:03:51 PM)
CJ is getting a lot better but we used to have all kinds of problems with him--especially on the playground where he would be very aggressive. He is still very strong willed but his behavior is getting better.

Alanna (ID=49) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:04 PM)
Got to roll. I'm going to be looking into the archives for all the info. Thanks! Goodnight.

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:11 PM)
Debbie you are speaking with Fast Forword?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:17 PM)
Goodnight

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:34 PM)
Or Earobics?

Kelly (ID=54) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:34 PM)
Well, my 5 year old APD (not diagnosed yet because of age but I know she has it), is extremely strong willed and as of the last couple of weeks, she's very angry. I don't know why, and if I ask her, she can't answer me because she either doesn't understand my question or doesn't know how to respond. I'm not sure what to do with her.

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:04:35 PM)
Thats okay Debbie I understand,.... I'm just curious I've really enjoyed anfd learned alot from the archives

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:05:09 PM)
oh ok Kelly

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:05:28 PM)
the ghost was my husband's pager vibrating on the counter!!

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:05:39 PM)
kathyc lol

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:05:56 PM)
The most important thing is to be patient. I've found with CJ that his biggest problem was trying to tell me what was bothering him. He just didn't know how to express himself.

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:05:56 PM)
Mine is soon to be five and has just started this hot headed temper... I am wondering could it be an age thing instead of an APD thing?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:06 PM)
LOL Kathyc

Kelly (ID=54) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:28 PM)
The sad thing is - it's a vicious cycle - when she acts like this, she makes me more angry of course, and I lose my temper with her more often. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm exacerbating the situation. I have a bad temper too, and she's probably seeing the way I'm reacting to her. I don't know - it's really hard.

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:29 PM)
See that is my apd child

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:45 PM)
kathyc, did the whole family take a sign language class?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:06:47 PM)
she won't tell you anything ( she is 9.7)

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:07:22 PM)
My son has a very hard time exprsssing what he is feeling,... he is 9

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:07:30 PM)
That is mine

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:07:42 PM)
she will not tell ou anyhting

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:07:44 PM)
sorry for being so quiet this evening..im monitoring another chat at the same time....

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:07:56 PM)
It can be very hard on everyone

Kelly (ID=54) (Jan 30, 2001 9:08:00 PM)
I agree - it may not be APD related - but I don't know what to relate it to. She's mildly autistic as well, and that doesn't help of course. We also have her on Prozac for anxiety, and she was doing great for a while, but she's regressing now. I'm at a loss. I'm thinking about asking the school district to come in and set up a behavior management plan. Have ya'll ever done that?

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:08:04 PM)
I took one with drew, then i followed up with a second one. the rest of the family learned it from our common use. we don't do formal sentences - just clarification. It's easy to know words but it's a completely different story if you try to talk to deaf people - not our intention. very helpful.

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:08:10 PM)
it may take days for her to tell you

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:08:12 PM)
Is that the auditory chat Debbie ?

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:08:23 PM)
My husband gets very frustrated with CJ. He says CJ is 8 and should act like an 8 year old. But in a lot of ways my 5 year old acts more mature.

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:08:46 PM)
Tammy same thing here :(

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:06 PM)
an 8 yr old who can't communicate his feelings gets very frustrated. although drew gets mad now if i don't stop at mcdonalds - and i know exactly what he wants!

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:09 PM)
yes it is Diane.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:30 PM)
thought maybe I could pick up something new to share

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:30 PM)
Kathy c

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:39 PM)
yes

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:09:49 PM)
I was thinking about checking in on it but my poor brain is so addled tonight i doubt it ...lol

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:19 PM)
I was wanting to take a sign lang class but was told that if Jessica is having a hard time

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:35 PM)
We had a Cub Scout pack meeting tonight 2 hours of LOUD 7-12yo boys

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:10:45 PM)
that I would be adding more on to her and possibly confussing her more

Kathy (ID=45) (Jan 30, 2001 9:11:00 PM)
good night all

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:11:02 PM)
was sign lang hard for drew to pick up?

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:11:17 PM)
Night kathy

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:11:58 PM)
the cool thing is that we finally have requested use in the classroom - and all the other kids think it is the coolest thing! one mom had to buy her son a book on it. It is not hard. A good book will include a picture, the printed word, and the sign. There are also a few CD's that do this - showing the motion if there is one involved.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:12:12 PM)
has anyone in the room who's had a child on a 504 had their child retested and qualified for an IEP?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:12:45 PM)
YES

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:12:52 PM)
No mine started with an IEP

Jill (ID=51) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:24 PM)
g2g I'll check back after I get dinner done...If you are all gone have a good week..

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:25 PM)
thanks for the information..i think we'll have to start looking into sign lang (anything to help him)!

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:27 PM)
what extra help did you get with the IEp that you were not recieving wtih the 504"

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:42 PM)
welcome!

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:13:46 PM)
we had a 504 and for years they told me that Jessica did not qual. as SLD and I pitched a fit this year and had them retest her and she qualified with flying colors

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:14:08 PM)
(idon't know if that was a good or bad thing:( )

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:14:11 PM)
what extra benefits werer there for her?

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:14:27 PM)
"Im considering having Sarah retested, but I"m not sure what she would gain.

Tammy (ID=46) (Jan 30, 2001 9:14:35 PM)
i'd better be going..i have to get the kids to bed. good night all.

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:14:44 PM)
Night Tammy

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:14:58 PM)
same here! good night all..good to chat

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:15:08 PM)
Night kathyc

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:15:14 PM)
See they weren't doing anything for her on her 504 except to let her have additional time on the FCAT and to have breaks to get up and move around

kathyc (ID=50) (Jan 30, 2001 9:15:23 PM)
night diane, night johnboy

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:15:57 PM)
what do you get on the IEP now Jennykids

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:16:13 PM)
Debbie are auditoryonline's chats archived ?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:16:20 PM)
We just got them to give her SLD teacher for one hour a day

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:16:25 PM)
THe FM system

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:16:47 PM)
we already have an FM system on the 504....not srue what else to look for to help her...

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:16:53 PM)
Decoding and comperhension work

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:17:25 PM)
I am still waiting to hear on Jakes' audiology retest thriugh school they are starting to tick me off

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:17:34 PM)
how long has it been Diane?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:17:36 PM)
and also some more modifications on the FCAT and Fl writes

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:06 PM)
We are still adding though

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:09 PM)
well I asked about it 3 weeks ago and the SLP keeps saying she will get back to me :(

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:19 PM)
Diane, ask in writing..

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:37 PM)
we have another meeting on the 7th of Feb

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:37 PM)
and I work with this woman 2xs per week :(

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:51 PM)
I gues it is going to come to that

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:18:58 PM)
That is awful

mary (ID=55) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:02 PM)
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mary (ID=55) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:20 PM)
hi ya'll

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:25 PM)
hi Mary how are you tonight?

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:28 PM)
I thought once I started working for the district I might get some quicker answers

mary (ID=55) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:33 PM)
I'm doing pretty well

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:41 PM)
guess not :(

mary (ID=55) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:42 PM)
How is everyone else?

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:44 PM)
Diane, by putting it in writing they will know you are serious and it also sets a timeline in effect

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:44 PM)
I know it took me three weeks of asking for the psychologist report then finally I told them I wasn't leaving until I got it

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:19:51 PM)
Hi Mary

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:20:15 PM)
I'll do it tomorrow

mary (ID=55) (Jan 30, 2001 9:20:16 PM)
hum IEP's?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:20:30 PM)
Hi Mary

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:20:44 PM)
put it in writing that is

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:03 PM)
that is what I did too

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:12 PM)
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Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:26 PM)
grrrrrr

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:33 PM)
I accidently clicked out

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:38 PM)
I would like to know how to get it to be an issue in the State of FL

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:40 PM)
usually putting it in writing will get the schools attention,,they knwo it is a step toward meadiation and they want to avoid that

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:47 PM)
did you get bumped mary ?

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:21:53 PM)
jenny'skids where are you at?

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:22:11 PM)
lol no I was trying to click the box and hit the x instead

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:22:12 PM)
I I am in Pasco County

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:22:39 PM)
I want to lobby the state or something

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:22:45 PM)
I"M up north in jax..where about is that?

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:23:01 PM)
I am an hour norht of Tampa

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:23:04 PM)
I just assumed since I am now an employee of the district,....just goes to show it doesn't relly matter who you are

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:23:15 PM)
No I agree

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:23:30 PM)
i am currently trying to get ahold of a report that was done....the state of florida dept of education had a task force on capd in 1999

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:23:38 PM)
they still take their time

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:23:44 PM)
Really

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:23:55 PM)
anything I can do to help let me know

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:01 PM)
and time is precious as far as I am concerned

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:03 PM)
Yes they do

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:34 PM)
I am hoping to get a bit more infomration on it tomorrow.....I 've not seen a published report but there has to be a way to get it

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:35 PM)
I know someone at district whose child was diagnoised and they can't get any more help than I can

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:24:51 PM)
it's a lot of legal paper pushing of course they take their time...sorry am in a rather cynical mood

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:25:17 PM)
No problem Mary I can relate

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:25:23 PM)
me too

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:25:33 PM)
mary that seems to be the mood of the night =)

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:25:48 PM)
what they want to do with Jessica is put her in an LLD class and hold her back

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:26:01 PM)
It's just the more i learn about CAPD the more i see they could be doing that they are not

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:26:23 PM)
Me too Diane

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:26:53 PM)
I wish I knew what I know now before the last IEP in Aug

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:27:03 PM)
I wish I could find someone to do the Fast forward program that I could afford

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:27:44 PM)
Me too Jenny :(

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:28:11 PM)
ya tis a pain I don't know. IEP's are worth it for the kids but accoring to my parents are a pain in the butt on your end.

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:28:13 PM)
I really want to do it but don't have the 2000.00 it will take

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:28:36 PM)
Jake uses "Earobics " in school and it has helped but ........

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:28:37 PM)
I'm in college now and having to do it all myself but benifit for college is that the plan lasts all four years

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:01 PM)
I hear FastForword is better

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:10 PM)
I"m goign to a presentation on Earobics tomorrow.. Im looking forward to learing more about it.

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:33 PM)
well look guys I need to go

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:45 PM)
it's helped him ALOT, don't get me wrong

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:29:50 PM)
Hubby just came in and has hurt himself some how

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:00 PM)
See ya later

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:00 PM)
jennyskids..mention ffw on the listserve and see if anyone does it distantly..

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:02 PM)
oh yikes take care jenny

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:04 PM)
Oh those hubbys.....

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:08 PM)
take care!

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:12 PM)
cool ok I will

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:18 PM)
Night Jenny

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:30:37 PM)
keep in touch with me if you need any help..... wsumey@yahoo.com

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:31:01 PM)
doing nails sorry

jennykids (ID=52) (Jan 30, 2001 9:31:01 PM)
I will do anything I can

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:31:20 PM)
Im monitoring another chat at same time so if i'm slow answering im sorry

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:31:41 PM)
Debbie do they archive their chats ?

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:31:56 PM)
ahhh two chats at once always fun.

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:32:11 PM)
last night i was monitoring 2 and having fun in a third

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:32:12 PM)
No way I could do that LOL

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:32:29 PM)
the audiologist that i'm working with for my daughther is holdling another chat tonight..mainly for professionals, but i thought i'd eavesdrop

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:32:52 PM)
ah i see.

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:33:04 PM)
Learning anything Debbie ?

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:33:26 PM)
interested in some projects she's working on regarding apd testing

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:34:26 PM)
oh what type of projects?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:35:12 PM)
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debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:35:18 PM)
from what i gather, standards in testing

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:35:19 PM)
hi peggy

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:35:21 PM)
hi Peggy

Diane (ID=53) (Jan 30, 2001 9:35:38 PM)
I'd better go I might check out that chat for a few minutes Night all

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:35:39 PM)
Hi Everyone!

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:36:06 PM)
bye diane

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:36:15 PM)
how are you peggy?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:36:27 PM)
Pretty good.

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:36:45 PM)
it's kinda quiet tonite

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:38:15 PM)
dr m is talking about the type of deficit my daughter has...sorry to be so distracted

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:38:53 PM)
no problem :)

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:18 PM)
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Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:29 PM)
hi drewk

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:39:38 PM)
Hi

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:04 PM)
hi drewk..how are you tonight?

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:10 PM)
What is the conversation going on tonight

Mary (ID=56) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:22 PM)
not really one right now what's up?

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:40:54 PM)
not too much. Just thought that I wourld pop in for some conversation

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:41:41 PM)
How are everyone's children doing with their CAPD in the school setting.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:43:15 PM)
Hi drewk. We are switching my son to a Learning Support classroom starting Monday.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:43:38 PM)
It was a hard decision, but everyone says it is for the best.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:43:50 PM)
IGood for you! I think that we have spoke before about this situation

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:21 PM)
It seems to me that you have some reservations about the whole scenario, yes?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:44:38 PM)
It means a different school, etc. You have probably heard about my story. I have been talking a lot about it so I could make the right decision.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:45:05 PM)
Would the school that you are now in not accomodate him?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:45:32 PM)
Any change is hard. My son has accepted it, and so did I. The school he is at now doesn't have the LS classroom or room for any such class.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:46:18 PM)
I am going to make the best of it. Just got off the phone with his Reading tutor. She is going to work with new teacher on IEP goals... which will be nice.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:46:45 PM)
My school wanted me to do the same but I stuck to my guns and the accomodations were eventually completed at the current school sight. Better yet I was able to obtain for her a tutor for more one-on-one studies

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:47:02 PM)
Peggy what state are you in?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:47:12 PM)
West Chester, PA.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:47:31 PM)
Has it worked out well for you child?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:47:49 PM)
Does school pay for tutor?

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:48:25 PM)
The one-on-one was idealistic for her and since it is establsihed in her IEP that gives me enough ammunition to go forth (hopefully) in the years to come.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:48:27 PM)
What kind of accomidations.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:48:30 PM)
?

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:48:55 PM)
Yes the school pays for the tutor as well as the full time aide that has been assigned to her

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:49:30 PM)
Does she have one-on -one instruction ? How much? Did it make the difference in regular classroom?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:49:53 PM)
Is tutor outside school time? Reading/math?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:50:10 PM)
Sorry for so many questions...

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:41 PM)
Right now I pay for tutor.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:50 PM)
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drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:51:52 PM)
Yes she has one-on-one for 3 days of the week along with the aide 5 days per week. The tutor is doing school hours mainly for reading writing and math. She also receives during school hours occupational therapy for a sensory integration problem that she has and speech therapy during school hours. She also during her last hour of the day participate in a computer program that is idealistic for CAPD children.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:52:19 PM)
hi debbie, drew, peggy

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 9:52:30 PM)
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Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:52:34 PM)
i will be in & out here, as i put kids to bed

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:52:36 PM)
welcome nic

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:52:49 PM)
Which program? Fast ForWord? Hi Marge.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 9:52:52 PM)
Hi

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:53:00 PM)
My daughter is also in the resource room for other situations as well as being mainstreamed in with her homeroom class.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:54:09 PM)
She completed the Fastforward program this last summer. Actually I believe that it is on the line of alphabetphonics but I cannot remeber the name. I will have to look up this information.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 9:54:24 PM)
I have a question? My daughter has capd and I am trying to work with her school are there any programs other than the resource room

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:54:27 PM)
drew: how did she do after FFW?

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:54:49 PM)
nic: well, the "doctrine" in special ed is to go with the least restrictive environment...

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:55:10 PM)
nic: what are your audiologist's recommendations for dealing w/your dau's capd?

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:55:57 PM)
Drewk, my son will get (2) 1/2 hrs Speech therapy. (1) 1/2 hr OT. Learning support class for reading and math and specials/homeroom with regular 2nd grade class. They can't give him as much individual at his current school as in the new school they say. Not enough room...

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:56:01 PM)
She did well on the Fastforward program but to be completely honest she hated actually sitting down and soing it. it takes alot of organization to complete the 42 days on a timely basis but I did see some fantastic results.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:56:31 PM)
I am going to have my son do FFwd this summer!

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 9:57:10 PM)
to reduce backround noise there was an fm system mentioned

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:57:40 PM)
nic: the fm system can be used in a regular ed classroom... was that explained to you?

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 9:57:54 PM)
it effects langauge arts

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 9:58:12 PM)
yes but i dont think the school will pay

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:58:13 PM)
Drewk, I am going to give it a try... I wish we didn't have to move him! I do hope and pray he will get a better education with the move.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 9:58:45 PM)
i heard something about sector 504?

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:59:00 PM)
nic: you may have to lean on the school to get them to go for the fm, but if the aud recommended it, I would not give up easily

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 9:59:19 PM)
My son has an FM. School has provided it for him.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 9:59:20 PM)
nic: section 504 is for accommodations for kids with disabilities of all types who are NOT behind in their work

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 9:59:59 PM)
Peggy, what would happen if you called an emergency IEP meeting and demanded that he not be moved and really demand that he be given the assistance at the current school. The parent still holds that right . I don't think legally they can turn you down.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:00:30 PM)
nic: accommodations under 504 must be "reasonable", IDEA gives you more rights.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:00:49 PM)
she is only behind mostly in reading when she gets helps she does well

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:01:42 PM)
she is in a small class only 14 childern its a small school

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:02:15 PM)
may i say that the FM trainer that all schools tell you about is the first step to pacifying the parent. it truly didn't help my daughter except it draw attention to her disability and provoked children to tease her. Truthfully a good friend of mine that is a teacher said that most teacher do not use these things in the course of the day although they are "mandated" by the IEP to do so.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:02:16 PM)
where can I find more about 504

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 10:03:06 PM)
It is something I will think about. I will be at school and talk to them about it...

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:03:20 PM)
drewk- that was a concern i had mostly i dont think the teacher would wear it

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:03:29 PM)
drew: if the teacher isn't following the IEP that is a very serious matter... fm systems are not a cure-all, nor are they appropriate for all children with capd... but for kids with background noise problems, they're a godsend.

Peggy (ID=57) (Jan 30, 2001 10:04:19 PM)
Well, I am at home tonight, so I am going to get some things done.. Have a good night all! Take care... :-)

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:04:26 PM)
gnite peggy!

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:04:30 PM)
im back everyone...

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:04:35 PM)
hi debbie!

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:04:37 PM)
hello marge and nic

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:04:54 PM)
Hi

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:05:17 PM)
Peggy do not give them any warning that you are considering this. Then they are prepared to turn you down. Just tell them that you need to call the meeting to discuss the future of your son. It doesn't hurt to try. I hate it when the public school districts try to mandate the parent s on what yur child needs when you know through your investigations of this disablitly what your child really needs and deserves.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:05:31 PM)
sorry as i said a bit ago i was monitoring another chat at same time...normally i try to be more involved here

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:05:41 PM)
can the iep and the sec 504 two seperate things or can they be combined

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:06:22 PM)
the 504 is typically used for kids who dont "qualify" for am IEP...they are not used at same time

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:06:52 PM)
Thank You

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:07:27 PM)
My child also has problems with background noises yet if not implemented the FM trainer doesn't work

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:08 PM)
nic i was reviewing the chat.....you are concerened that your teacher will not use the FM?

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:10 PM)
gotta put kids to bed... will brb

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:16 PM)
k Marge

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:26 PM)
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debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:35 PM)
hi dr j....good to see you again! =)

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:52 PM)
hi debbie good to see you again as well.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:08:58 PM)
I've been trying to bounce back and forth between the chats..mostly listening on the other chat.

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:09:04 PM)
Good evening drewk, Marge, and nic

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:09:14 PM)
Good evening

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:09:51 PM)
Question My daughter was tested last year and her weakness was in language arts and did qualitfy for iep but i didnt want her to go in the resource room. I did go for the speach part for language arts

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:10:29 PM)
why do you not want her to go to the resource room?

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:10:36 PM)
Now I had her tested by audiolist not through the school

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:10:51 PM)
what were the results of the testing?

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:11:01 PM)
I didnt hear good things about the teacher

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:11:27 PM)
Did you establish an IEP with your schol Nic?

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:25 PM)
her highs and lows were avg and she is getting by "B" "C" in most classes

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:38 PM)
i still have the option for the iep

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:43 PM)
dr j, im curious..if a child is on a 504 plan, is there abenefit to having the child retested by the school to gain an IEP instead

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:12:54 PM)
I left that open for her

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:14:14 PM)
If i am correct wouldn't you feel more secure knowing that an IEP is established to always be there for the benefit of the child in the educational setting?

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:16:03 PM)
debbie, the real difference between a 504 plan and an IEP is that the IEP provides for specific GOALS for specific things that need to be reached such as Johnny will be able to follow 2 step verbal directions with no visual or gestural cues when presented by a person speaking at a normal loudness level and rate of speech. This is a specific goal and would need an IEP. BUt, if we state that the teacher should speak slower and at a louder level as an accommodation, then all that is needed is a 504 plan and the same improvements educationally can occur.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:16:12 PM)
i dont want to hurt her esteem because she is a hard worker and what was told to me is that the work load is cut in half and a different work load

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:16:55 PM)
that is what i am looking for

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:17:13 PM)
i think she only needs extra help

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:18:29 PM)
nic, are you saying she needs extra help meaning to go over things a second time? tutuoring? or do you feel she has a specific problem learning in the regular educational setting unless changes are provided.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:18:30 PM)
dr j, i appreciate your work on the apd simulations on the ncapd website... that should help clear up a lot of the typical questions that come up on the list

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:18:51 PM)
So wouldn't an IEP almost guarantee the extra help desired?

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:20:09 PM)
Marge, thank you for the compliment. Please, though the accolaides go to Debbie as well.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:20:32 PM)
<--- cheers for Debbie & Dr J

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:20:50 PM)
Yes it would IF she qualifies as needing special educational services. AN IEP falls under the special education law (IDEA).

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:21:20 PM)
Marge, thank you (and the check for that advertisement is in the mail) ;-)

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:21:43 PM)
I"m going to have to say goodnight. 3:30 is going to come early and I want to get some rest so that I will be fresh for going out of town tomorrow afternoon.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:21:45 PM)
:-)

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:21:51 PM)
goodnight debbie!

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:22:04 PM)
Nic states that she was approved for the formation of an IEP although she turned this option down for fear of the child.

debbie (ID=48) (Jan 30, 2001 10:22:08 PM)
goodnight everyone!

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:22:14 PM)
Yes, good night Debbie, you need your sleep before work. SPeak with you via email soon.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:22:30 PM)
dr j- I think i am looking for both

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:23:41 PM)
the reason i left the option open for the iep is to keep her main stream

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:24:04 PM)
but i would like some help for her

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:24:39 PM)
Nic how old is your child with CAPD?

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:24:45 PM)
nic, if you really feel she needs special services (i.e., special education), and needs to have specific goals that the special educational services must work towards, then, an IEP is the way to go. Essentially, an IEP is a contract between you (the parents as advocates for your daughter) and the school. It holds the school responsible for working to meet those goals, AND, YOU (the parents) are a critical person in writing and developing the IEP.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:25:28 PM)
she is not failing but we saw the signs of her problem and had her tested for that reason

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:25:40 PM)
she is 8 in third grade

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:26:26 PM)
nic, an IEP has NOThING to do with mainstream vs. special education class setting. THe IDEA law includes the LEAST RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENT. And if the test results show that the Least restrictive environment is a regular class, then she stays in a regular class BUT gets special services and accommodations as needed and written into the IEP.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:27:07 PM)
They were fighting me bacause of the cost for that

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:27:11 PM)
nic, when you say, you want some help for her, you need to determine whether that help is tutuoring or special educational services.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:28:28 PM)
Dont' hesitate because in the long run the school district can look back on the fact that they OFFERED the option fo forming an IEP and since you have turned them away at first then they hold the option to not offer you the possible needed services. I am saying this on grounds of experience and not legalities

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:28:40 PM)
nic, I understand the school's position trying to save money, but if you have evidence/proof that your daughter needs special services, don't worry about the money, it is the school district's problem not yours and in the end you can sue the school district for not providing the services that have been proven to be needed and the law suit will cost far more than the special services.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:28:41 PM)
its not in there buget its a small school. I didnt like that answer and if she goes with the iep they get money. but i wanted her to stay in class

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:29:32 PM)
Nic is this a public school?

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:29:36 PM)
yes

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:30:15 PM)
Then don't worry about it! this money can either go to help your child or they government will spend it in another way.

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:30:30 PM)
ANd, if there is NO proof that she can NOT stay in that class, she should not and will not be moved.....always remember, least restictive environment. SPecial services can be provided either within her class (not usually the best if the only service) as well as pull-out.....having the child pulled out of class during the school day for the special educational services needed.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:30:32 PM)
Are there different rules for different states

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:31:47 PM)
NO. It's a federal law. THe only differences between states may be the names for some of the committees and teams, and how the money is funneled to the school district and the percentage of federal money distributed to each school district. But the IDEA is a federal law.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:31:50 PM)
I have that done for speech two days a week and that is not part of the iep

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:32:53 PM)
nic, that's great. Your daughter IS getting special services. BUT, what are the specific goals the SLP is working on with her and in what way does the SLP interconnect his or her goals with the classroom teacher?

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:32:58 PM)
the iep touched on her problem but didnt say what it was that is why I had her tested privately

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:33:13 PM)
Again from my observations in this chat room over they year I see parents in other states being told things that do not hold true. These school districts try to get out of treating and paying for services by messing with parents heads. Believe me!~

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:33:38 PM)
Nic, under the IDEA the IEP HAS to say what is the problem by providing what is called a "label" What was your daughter's label?

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:36:21 PM)
drewk, you are correct. Unfortunately, most parents do NOT know how to "play the IEP game." FYI of all, there are two excellent resources on this. One is a website www.wrightslaw.com (or maybe .org) Marge do you know the exact URL for Wright's law? the other is a book about which I recently learned and just obtained a copy last week. It is called something like WOrking Around the IEP Maze: A Guide for Parents and Teachers published by Woodbine House in Bethesda, MD (just a stone's throw from my home).

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:36:42 PM)
they are supose too but to get information is not the easyest to do

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:38:34 PM)
let me look in my notes for the wrightslaw site...

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:38:39 PM)
she is doing rhyming and sequencing lately for speach

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:38:47 PM)
nic, I have to agree with you on the problems with correct and meaningful information. That's why we are lucky to have debbie wood who set up this parent chat, hosts it at (presently) HER own expense, has developed and set up the NCAPD, etc. SO, you are fortunate you found this connection.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:38:59 PM)
At the beginning of my daughter's labeling of her disability and through all of her needed testing I was in complete denial of her having any problems and in all honesty I see some denial in Nic. I am sorry that I had to say that but one the other hand once I accepted that my daughter had a learning disorder I have gone forth and have obtained much needed help through the district. Once you research all options and laws you gain so much. I love my daughter and thank God for her on a daily basis because this child of mine has taught me a very valuable lesson even when it comes to life itself. You have to fight for what you want and believe in. yes I am affiilitaed with the wrightslaw web sight. It is an excellent resource although sometimes it is hard to acces some deeper web sights needed for the whole story.

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:41:21 PM)
drewk, I am so happy as a professional and as a parent to hear what you have to say. Yes, our children are special and we do have to fight for them and in so teach them to fight for themselves when they grow up.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:41:35 PM)
the iep didnt lable her the speedh audiologist said it was capd

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:41:44 PM)
wright's law addy is http://www.wrightslaw.com

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:41:57 PM)
Marge, thank you.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:42:13 PM)
Thanks for looking that up Marge

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:42:23 PM)
nic: is the SLP also an audiologist?? SLP s don't diagnose capd, tho' they may see behavior that suggests it

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:42:59 PM)
DrJ would you say that Nic is getting the complete run around at this school district?

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:44:23 PM)
dr j: also the book title you mentioned is: "Negotiating the Special Education Maze: a guide for parents and teachers," by Winifred Anderson, Stephen Chitwood, and Deidre Hayden. Woodbine House is the publisher. I got my copy at Borders.

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:45:01 PM)
drewk, I can't say. From the information nic presented that I have read/heard (it is a CHAT), IF it is true that the school did offer to have an IEP, then, the school did offer to provide special educational services and support services under the IDEA law. A parent has every right NOT to agree to the special educational services and the IEP. But, there could be a problem going back and asking for the IEP, unless the school is still supportive. So, I can't say the schools are giving nic a run around.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:45:15 PM)
This is new to me and I am trying to understand and research information what would best help my daughter and I found this site which i appreach your opinions

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:46:16 PM)
Again, Marge thank you. I found that book to be really clear and easy to read and follow and filled with a LOT of excellent information. It's funny that I had never heard of that book before. I happened upon it at a workshop I gave recently where they had some vendors including WOodbine House (being in the D.C. area).

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:47:03 PM)
Thanks for the info on the book and I will definitely buy it.

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:47:16 PM)
nic, we are all here to help. This APD thing seems to bring people together here and on the CAPD list (a discussion list for parents and professionals) where questions can and are rasied and answers and guidance is provided.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:47:31 PM)
i agree with your review: clear & easy to read, and it tells you what you need to do to find out about the peculiarities of your own state.

moni (ID=62) (Jan 30, 2001 10:47:37 PM)
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Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:47:45 PM)
hi moni... welcome!

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:47:52 PM)
drewk and nic, that book is really inexpensive. Now, I beg to Marge. How much was the book at Borders on line?

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:47:53 PM)
im not saying it is a total run around but i did not like what they offered me

moni (ID=62) (Jan 30, 2001 10:48:01 PM)
Hello everybody

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:48:26 PM)
Hi moni, welcome. It is getting late for some of us, but good to see you here tonight.

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:48:33 PM)
dr j: ooooh, tough question... i didn't buy it online. Got it off the shelf. I want to say $23, but I could be wrong by +/- $10

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:48:42 PM)
I have to go for the night. It has been great chatting with all of you and Good Luck Nic--It will work out in the long run. Just don't give up. Good night

moni (ID=62) (Jan 30, 2001 10:48:45 PM)
I totally forgot today was Tues and I have a question

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:48:53 PM)
gnite drewk

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:49:18 PM)
dr j: aha! in the fine print on the back it says it is $16.95... so it is cheap to boot :-)

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:49:25 PM)
Well, my recent copy direct from Woodbine has a price of about $16 or $17 on the back cover.

moni (ID=62) (Jan 30, 2001 10:49:43 PM)
Do any of you know how hard it would be to distinguish between ADD and APD? My son's teachers think he has ADD

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:49:51 PM)
<--- "cheap" relative to various professional texts... and even nice paperbacks ... i've bought lately

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:50:33 PM)
Thank You drewk

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:50:45 PM)
drewk, have a great night and a great week. Hope to see you on the CAPd list or at the morning chats. I usually am not able to make these evening ones.

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:52:00 PM)
moni, the answer to that question is more of finding the appropriate specialist in auditory processing who really understands ADD/ADHD and APD. As for myself, from my approach to APD, it is quite easy to differentiate between ADD and APD when I do an assessment of a child.

drewk (ID=58) (Jan 30, 2001 10:52:22 PM)
I unfortunately have to work Monday-thursay so I miss the day chats but with my being an advocate for other parents these evening chats help me immensely. Take care

Marge (ID=59) (Jan 30, 2001 10:53:05 PM)
alas, it is getting too late for me to be up chatting... i must go... nice to chat with you all... thanks for coming dr j!

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:53:06 PM)
Bye for now, drewk.

nic (ID=60) (Jan 30, 2001 10:54:27 PM)
thank you for your thoughts

dr.j (ID=61) (Jan 30, 2001 10:54:28 PM)
Yes, it was good to "see" you again, Marge. I too have to log off as it is getting late. nic, I hope you found this helpful. Please, if you have other questions, feel free to email me at drj@ncapd.org

moni (ID=63) (Jan 30, 2001 11:02:00 PM)
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