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Subject: Re: The Other Side of Eckankar, the Cult!
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> I am still fascinated by all the posts on this newsgroup. Some posts >are definitely
entertaining. Just one question for each of the warring >camps-
>
And yes, they SHOULD be happy!! After all:
"No man merely in the state of human consciousness can judge the ECKist any more than an
animal having simple consciousness can judge the human conscious state of man. The ECKist
is in fact the new species of the human race, not understood by men. When in this state the
ECKist has developed an intellectual illumination of the most pronounced character, and a
strongly marked sense of moral exaltation. He has also the conviction, the sense of immortality,
the extinction of the sense of wrong doing and the extinction of the fear of physical death."
Paul Twitchell, Illuminated Way Letters, pg. 247
Errors? What errors? How could there be errors? After all...
"Only the living ECK Master. . . is the pure instrument of God on Earth." SKS 1 pg. 19
"ECKANKAR teaches that ECK is the source of all life. All life,
religions, philosophies, and metaphysical systems spring out of the
fountainhead which is ECK. Therefore, we cannot find anything which is
greater than the stream of life except the MAHANTA, the Living ECK
Master." Paul Twitchell, "Letters to a Chela," page 107.
"Each living ECK Master has become the Mahanta, which is God made flesh on Earth.
Therefore, we look to the Mahanta for he is the representative of the SUGMAD in our midst
today." Paul Twitchell, Spiritual Notebook, pg. 197
"The living ECK Master is the only manifestation of the Sugmad
on Earth." Spiritual Notebook pg.198
"The living ECK Master is the perfect instrument of the SUGMAD on this
plane, often he is the Mahanta." Spiritual Notebook, pg. 198
The SUGMAD never appears in the flesh except as the MAHANTA, the Living
ECK Master. . ." Paul Twitchell, Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad II, pg. 146
GOD don't make no mistakes!!! Excuse me for quoting those "meaningless" books, but, well...I
used to be an eckist, you know. But I missed the part that said "It's ALL on the inner!"
"When the sacred teachings of the ECK have been put into printed books,
such as the SHARIYAT-KI-SUGMAD, all ECK chelas can go forth and by using
it as reference can give all the holy scriptures of it to the world.
There is none greater than this magnificent scripture and we as the
chelas of ECK must use it as the source book, the living Bible of our
beliefs and faith." Illuminated Way Letters, page 216
"Each month, read a chapter of The Shariyat Ki Sugmad, Book One. Do it
at your leisure. You can read a few sentences or a couple of paragraphs
at a time. Pay particular attention to the chapter title. How does the
chapter relate to the title. And how does it all relate back to you. You
can use this as an ongoing casual spiritual exercise. It is a way to
spiritualize yourself, to keep close to the Mahanta, the ECK, and the
SUGMAD." page 91, "The Eternal Dreamer," Harold Klemp
And darn, you know...right before I left eckankult, whoops I mean eckankar...I was going to
sign up for that new service...automatic shipments of eckbooks hot off the presses, with that
handy little form headquarters sent...you could either fill in your credit card number, or authorize
automatic deductions from your checking account!!!
> Why not give regular contributors like Sharon, Lurk, and others, some credit for having the
courage to voice their views and share these views with others? Why to members feel the need
to defend against these former Eckists? Why question their motives and character? The anti-
Eckankar forces have simply decided that they cannot support the formal organization of
Eckankar and have chosen to support some other path.
I support freedom of choice, freedom of speech, and freedom to worship
as I please.
"I have sworn eternal hostility to all forms of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
> They have not completely abandoned the principles of Eckankar which are universal and
common to many paths.
I take exception to your wording here. We have rejected the lies,
plagiarism, and mind-control messages of Paul Twitchell. The "principles of Eckankar" were
STOLEN and MISUSED by Paul Twitchell.
These truths are freely available elsewhere. Twitchell
used them to create a cult, and set himself up as God.
Basically, IMHO "Eckankar sucks." Lurk suggested this one, but I sort of take it out of
context. Wish I'd thought of it first!!!
>This does not make them bad people.
You asked why? Perhaps the answers are in the teachings of eckankar:
"The chela must be a person of heroic spirit and mold in order to carry out the responsibilities of
beingá a divine instrument for the MAHANTA [...] He must rely on his heroic spirit to triumph over
all the attacks made upon him by the Kal force through others [...] the chela carries on a strategy
of contradictions which will become powerful in his hands [...]" PT, Satsang II, L. 6 (members-
only discourse)
"Those who have become recruited into ECK must realize this from the
beginning. Because of this power of the ECK, these persons must show
initiative, resourcefulness, and a fanatical loyalty to ECK." PT,
Satsang III, L. 3 (discourse)
"If the chela is not possessed of this quality of dedication and loyalty to the path of ECK, his
incarnations are lengthened in this world, and he shall not be able to enter into the next worlds at
the end of this present life." PT, Shariyat 1, Chapter 6 á
" . . . the mission of the Mahanta on this earth is to stir the millions
of non-initiated into revolt against all orthodox religions. It also
means that anyone who opposes the Mahanta in any of the worlds is
foolish for the ECK will work swiftly in retribution." SKS I, p. 181
"Those who are without the Mahanta, the Living
ECK Master, are pagans, little better than those life forms just below that of man." PT, SKS II, page 173
" . . . each of those who are ECKists must come to the realization that they each, belong to
the chosen race of the superior being. All others are
aliens, that is those who have not yet voluntarily taken up the path of ECK. These aliens, as we
speak of them, are, in a way, heathens or pagans who have not yet found truth. They are the
agents of the Kal, and the enemy of those who are the followers of ECK." PT, IWL, pg. 168
>
> for the anti-Eckankar forces:
>
I like REAL roses, not phony ones.
A pile of bullshit that claims "There is no way to God except through the path of ECKANKAR,
and there can be no denying of this." (IWL pg. 80) is still a pile of bullshit.
> Regardless of the origins of the beliefs shared by today's Eckists, if the
"Hundreds of shrewd fakirs and holy men hit the jackpot simply by announcing they are an
incarnate god." John A. Keel, "Jadoo"
> Does truth really require a religious label?
Evidently, since eckankar copyrighted its eckwords, and Twitchell wrote copiously on the
necessity for a new language in IWL. But of course, eckankar is "evolving" ....to win new
members and influence zoning boards!
Klemp in Ask the Master, Book 2: "Now, however, with the Temple of ECK as the center post of
the missionary effort in ECK (. . .) When giving service to others in the name of Sugmad, is it
really necessary to tell them we have another name for God?"
And this:
"So, in talking with those in orthodox religions about the spiritual exercises, you may
sometimes want to use the word *prayer*. At least they'll understand it. Later, you can tell them
our name for it: the Spiritual Exercises of ECK, or contemplation. We need to change the way
we talk if we are to bring the message of ECK to others." Klemp, The Living Word, Book 2: pg.
177
sounds a lot better than this ....
"If many of the people today understood the true purpose of prayer, they would be very
shocked to find that under the spiritual law, they are coming under the label of black magicians.
They would be astounded."
But...not to worry!! After all...
"The Master is absolutely honest in his dealings with everyone."
The Precepts of Eckankar, by Paul Twitchell..."secret members-only discourses" ...
"reviewed, updated, and published under the supervision of the Living ECK Master, Sr. Harold
Klemp. It is the Word of Eck."
> If I
am an outlaw and a scoundrel but I preach about peace and brotherhood is my message any less valid?
Outlaws and scoundrels wouldn't preach about peace and brotherhood
without ulterior motives.
twitchell also wrote:
"The universes are the vineyard of the living ECK Master and he will colonize all in the name
of the SUGMAD." Spiritual Notebook, pg. 159
" . . . the mission of the Mahanta on this earth is to stir the millions of non-initiated into revolt against all orthodox religions. It also
means that anyone who opposes the Mahanta in any of the worlds is foolish for the ECK will work swiftly in retribution." SKS I, p. 181
"Therefore, as you can readily see, my greatest task is not to gather disciples for ECK, but to create a corps of "true believers." This corps must convince itself that it's the only moral position in the universe. Their moral absolution gives them the right to dissolve what they judge to be amoral according to the
conditions of the world and its higher spheres. The breaking up of the old traditional religions and reestablishing of the rightful beliefs
under the banner of ECK is the way of the right [...] Indeed such attitudes are not only felt to be right, but it's an obligation to those who belong to the ECK Truth Corps. This truth corps is often known
as "the Mahanta's children." PT, Satsang III, L. 2
Oh!! Just for the heck of it, guess who wrote this lovely poem?
YOUR HOME IS WHERE YOU'RE HAPPY
"The ECK enters into the womb of a virgin, the queen of heaven, who has
submitted to the true spirit of the universe.á The consciousness of the
Mahanta state (the spiritual form of the human Eckankar leader) is
planted as the seed, and carefully nurtured in the womb.á When the
embodiment of flesh is brought into this world, a man-child is born.á It
starts its unfoldment over a period of years until the state of
perfection is reached, in adulthood.á Then the chosen one learns that he
is the Living ECK Master of his times."áSKS 1, pg. 111-112, 2nd ed., 10th printing, 1987
The poem's author was Charles Manson, by the way. He's got quite a following...saw a news
show recently, quite a few teenagers think he's
"cool." (or whatever word they use!)
Gee, speaking of Manson, I just remembered those swastikas his "chelas" inscribed on their
foreheads...Manson's interesting, he used mental
telepathy too, you know. Anyway...I wonder about this one:
"Many of the ECK children look to the Living ECK Master, not as an
idol, but as a person to look up to and to be like when they grow
up. They want to have the spiritual understanding and the awareness
to make their way in this world. It's a known fact that Hitler
started his daydreaming at a very young age to become a conqueror,
after he entered the German army in World War I; he began this way
back in childhood." pg. 176, The Eck Ynari, Paul Twitchell
> If Eckandar is the science of soul travel whose
> express purpose is to help individual souls back to their original >home - what does it matter if
the founder was a bum?
Because...it didn't stop with the founder!
(Pssst...it's "Eckankar!") > If Eckists are happy in their
> belief system, why should anyone put them down? Think about it...
For the same reason that it's attempted murder if someone who knows they
have AIDS screws around with as many people as possible anyway...
I think twitchell's "express purpose" was quite clear in "Letters to a Chela" (see
http://www.delphi.com/eckankartruth), where he wrote:
"So ECK of ITSELF must find those who are willing to *plant* themselves in church groups,
of every nature, and act as the ones to *spread the message* of ECK. These are commonly
called *cells* in political jargon, but we know them as *cadres.* This is to *get a foothold* in any
group, any institution and to be able to quietly but effectively *give out the message of ECK*, and
act as *reformers* within these groups ****so that their members will come over to the works of
ECK.**** This is one of the efficient ways of educating others to *become sympathetic with the
ECK and ITS works.* (...) ***But we can find ways of entering into the middle stream of life
everywhere, in social clubs,
on civic boards, in groups of people who are *seemingly without anything in their lives*. You
can get invitations to talk to public groups on ECK, have your own festivals, such as an ECK
festival, or go on radio and television programs wherever available.
*You can visit old folks homes and help cheer them up; visit hospitals and help with people who
are not able to help themselves. Become readers who will talk to people who are handicapped,
or read to them *from the works, the books of ECK.*** You can also ******infiltrate***** young
people groups and tell them about ECK. You can make talks to high school groups and to
university and college classes.
There are a hundred ways in which you can make yourself available to do work for passing
out the message of ECK. Everyone of them is a part of your training for ECK leadership."
> I suppose however, that we must do what we must do. The forces for and against will continue
"Eckankar may not merely condone war, as it does, but often might employ war if necessary to
protect Itself . . . It must be remembered that all complaints and all arguments against the ECK
which are directed at the Mahanta are the works of the Kal." SKS 2, pg. 27-28
"Those who are faint of heart do not win missionary or military campaigns. (...) How will ECK
and ECKANKAR become household words? Only by our efforts. It will not happen on its own."
Harold Klemp, "Ask The Master, Book 2"
And let me tell you, it ain't easy for us alien heathen pagan subhuman veggie enemies of the
ECK!!!! Especially me...I've got to deal with
these pesky maggots infesting my rotting flesh...they make a mess of the
keyboard!!!!
Not to mention...I also have to deal with:
"The ignorant and the naive will never understand, nor shall they learn except by
experiencing the slow death brought about by their own overt acts against the Mahanta and the
ECK. This is actually creating overt acts against the SUGMAD." pg. 91, SKS I
Anyway...Nice post, JT! And don't forget:
"Be thankful that you have earned the right to come to ECK in this lifetime, for life without
ECK is a living hell..." "The Book of ECK
Wisdom," quoted in "Letters of Light" ... youth newsletter...
I bet they study LL at those special youth satsangs they're having such a wonderful response
from, or maybe they just stick to the special youth discourses, starting with the really cute
coloring books for the littlest ones...and in one of my "Mystic Worlds" there's an absolutely
ADORABLE picture of some little eckchildren singing ecksongs at a nursing home.....
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From: Sharon
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 05:40:16 GMT
> for the happy members of Eckankar:
Au contraire, JT! I am vile, vicious, venomous, and...worst of all...
ravaged by MENOPAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well...it's better than being an.....ASSWIPE!!! IMHO, of course.
(You know, the whole purpose of this long post was just so I could use
my favorite word!
> Now they seek to warn other like minded individuals of the mistakes they made because certain
> information that would have helped them was unknown to them at the time.
> They now wish to share with others their new found knowledge. Do we really
> need to classify dissidents as enemies? Think about it...
"We find that the only way to the heavenly world is via the path of
ECK. At this point, we must become intolerant of all other ideas which
try to creep into our consciousness." Paul Twitchell, The Secret Way,
L. 12 (members-only discourse)
And of course, two of my personal favorites from "GODMAN" ...
> Why do opponents of Eckankar harass otherwise happy members of a peaceful group. A rose by any other name smells just as sweet does it not?
> teaching is common to other paths as well, why is it any less true if proclaimed by Eckankar?
Quite simply, because of all the LIES in eckankar. As the ORIGINAL Cliffhanger wrote:
Your home is where you're happy
It's not where you're not free
Your home is where you can be what you are
'Cause you were just born to be
Now they'll show you their castles
And diamonds for all to see
But they'll never show you that peace of mind
'Cause they don't know how to be free
So burn all your bridges
Leave your old life behind
You can do what you want to do
'Cause you're strong in your mind
And anywhere you might wander
You can make that your home
And as long as you got love in your heart
You'll never be alone
Just as long as you got love in your heart
You'll never be alone
You'll never be alone
Oh, more cuties from Twitchell:
"the living ECK Master is timeless in the Atma Sarup. He is the Alpha
and Omega, immaculately conceived, raised in the physical form. . ."
Spiritual Notebook, pg. 163
>to duke it out... I suppose that's all part of being human. I suppose there's many reasons to
>
explain the motivations on both side of the fence. Good luck to both sides. I suppose pro or con
>
we are all doing what we feel we must. Maybe expressing ones view is the important
>
thing. Maybe the war helps both sides progress.
> Without opposing viewpoints their would be no posts and no insights for either side.
> In that case let me congratulate all sides to the conflict. Your're all doing one
> heck of job....
>
Sharon
http://www.delphi.com/eckankartruth
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