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Saturday, 17 December 2005
Church and State
I have really tried to become more 'political' over the past few years. By this I assumed that I needed to know how to align myself along partisan lines. This process reminds me of my general ambivalence towards church denominations. In both church and government I have not been able to tow any party line. Not that I haven't tried. Am I product of a self-centered society? Is there a need for serious reflection on how to change institutional identification? Brian McLaren seems to be heading up some 'emerging' church movement. I seem to have a unfounded prejudice against that. Maybe someone can convince me to check it out. In terms of government they certainly need our prayers, I just don't put my faith in what I feel the church is called to offered.
This ambivalence is becoming more acute for me as I would eventually like to move towards ordination in addition to the upcoming election. I don't think I am holding out for a perfect church or a perfect political party I just haven't been able to use institutional identification as a means of embracing a denomination or party.
We all need to live and work from somewhere . I don't think I should marginalize myself as some sort of wanderer or exile. How do we nurture belonging and that great idealistic catchword, community?
My only response at this point is an appreciation for Anglican and Catholic churches which focus on the Eucharist. This is a tangible act of community which, at the best of times, helps us to position ourselves appropriately in the giving and receiving of worship.
This being said I am meeting with a conference pastor for the General Conference Mennonite Church to talk a possible place for me pastorally.
Any thoughts on politics or ecclesiology would be welcomed.

Posted by indie/faith at 10:19 AM EST
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Saturday, 17 December 2005 - 3:53 PM EST

Name: Joel

Politics is frustrating and I am in the same boat as your are in many respects. Why bother being partisan when no group encompasses what I think? But I do not want consumer politics where I pick and choose what I want like so many trips to Zellers. Although I guess that is partially how it works, since politicians make decisions based on polls not conscience for the most part. Again, Wendell Berry provides a good example, not right or left or whatever, but idealistic and very active.
read some of that here:
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2004/08/05/engler-berry/

Gee whiz I like him.

Monday, 19 December 2005 - 3:47 PM EST

Name: marco
Home Page: http://www.mpspedro.com

With respect to aligning with denominations and political parties, my wife's father once made an astute observation when we were discussing why we didn't want to marry in the family's traditional denomination. He said, every church makes mistakes and has as constituents often well meaning but ultimately flawed people. He asked what we hoped to change by running away from this group and removing our experience and thoughts from the collective where they might have some positive influence rather than embracing and trying to help them from within? It wasn't a question I was ready for at the time but he seemed to have a point. Ultimately, I tend to find alot of our walls and categories can be unnecessarily divisive, keeping us running between chambers looking to find a perfect fit that doesn't exist which is especially true in the political spectrum these days where parties represent such a bizzare mish mash of values (christian capitalist right-wing..??) that its hard to find any place to fit comfortably..anywho, just my two cents..

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