The passage in question is, "...I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not I will know." (Gen 18:21).
The context is the impending judgment of Sodom & Gomorrah and the implied understanding of the passage is that God didn't know at the time whether or not what the people have done was as bad as the outcry against them.
(Note: Please read through Genesis 18 and 19 to get the full initial picture)
The challenge is: If we are to take Gen 18:21 literally, doesn't this mean that God didn't know the past deeds of these people, still less the present situation?
I hope to go beyond meeting this challenge, aiming to provide a deeper look at the heart of God regarding judgment and using the Open View issue as a launching pad. I believe that the question, "What did God want to discover in Sodom & Gomorrah?" can bring us to a stronger understanding of, "How does a God of Love feel about judgment?".
I'll also note at the start that Genesis 18:20-21 has obviously left out certain details which we would be wise to ponder on before drawing hasty conclusions. What was recorded could not have been all that was said between God and Abe, and I propose that a more meaningful picture of this episode requires thinking through and 'filling in' what the text felt best to leave to the reader's imagination.
[For e.g. one element obviously missing from the two verses is the intention to judge S&G in a particularly devastating way, given that Abe - in the verse immediately following - starts interceding on the cities' behalf. Abe even leveraged on God as the 'Judge of all the earth who must do right' (18:25), implying a substantial level shock or dismay at what he was informed of, but obviously not written down, in vs.20-21 ]
The structure of my response will be as follows:
A. Initial pointers and comments on the passage
B. An interpretation of what happened and why, in view of my
overall understanding of God
C. A paraphrase of Gen 18:21
D. Summary and closing reflections
Here goes...
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1. To interpret the verse as denying God's knowledge of present actions/events would be quite suspect as the verse immediately preceding it, 18:20, has God specifically saying that He knows S&G's sin to be grievous. Gen 13:13 should also put to rest any suggestion that God doesn't know what S&G were doing. Furthermore, in 18:15 God clearly demonstrates to Sarah that He isn't unaware of 'hidden' actions.
This suggests that we ought to be VERY CAUTIOUS in postulating that
it was the existing/past sins of S&G which God was unaware of.
We'll need to look harder at the context to find out exactly what it was
which S&G had done which God wanted to discover was 'as bad as the
outcry against them', and that we cannot give too much initial weight to
propositions that God 'does not know the present'. (Go here
for more on this theme)
2. True to 'open theism exegesis' (smile), I believe the narrative does teach that God was on some kind of 'knowledge search'. The nature of God's dialogue with Abraham and the two angels' visit to Sodom gives us clues as to what it was which God wanted to know:
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What we have here is divine judgment of striking proportions upon an extremely evil population and yet a divine reluctance to execute wrath WITHOUT 1) a full confirmation of its necessity and 2) an attempt to find and save the righteous.
The theophany - YHWH represented by three angels yet clearly distinct from them - spoken of in chapters 18 and 19 was God's way of obtaining first-hand experience of the evil of S&G. It was also the mode of divine investigation into the extent of evil in the cities, as manifested in the people's actions towards clearly recognizable messengers of God (see above). I suspect that God wanted to test the hearts of the people of S&G for any possibility (however remote) of repentance and remaining righteousness.
Remember that God DOES NOT ENJOY judgment and it's simply NOT His 'favourite thing'(!):
(See, too, Glenn Miller's list of 'divine vengeance' passages, showing what God considers 'worthy' of vengeance and how this phenomena links strongly with deliverance of His people).
At this point, I wish to state that Calvin's maxim of us being 'sinners in the hands of an angry God' is not only a severe theological abberation on the divine nature which has blinded many from the picture of the Loving Father-Heart of God, but also runs contrary to the overall Biblical picture. This has led to many theologians focusing on God as Judge, rather than the dear and waiting Lover of our souls.
(Back to Sodom and Gomorrah...pardon me there, *smile*)
No doubt God knew the sins the people have been committing, but it is not unreasonable to suggest - using a parallel of Abraham's test of faith in Gen 22 - that even evil requires the manifestation of certain actions and behaviours to be declared 'ultimate' (and thus beyond the reach of goodness).
Great evil and unbelief - not unlike great faith - is ultimately proven by her actions and 'perseverance' (if we can allow this word for the moment) in the face of a struggle in, or suggestions to, the opposite direction. Just as Abraham's obedient go-ahead with sacrificing Isaac 'solidified' his faith in God's eyes and even earned him compounded/additional blessing from God (Gen 22:16-18!), so God was similarly testing the evil in S&G, seeking to know whether or not corruption was truly complete in the people.
In this sense, God's attitude towards S&G would represent a 'reverse' of the testing of Abe and that meted out in Deut 8:2, 13:1-3, etc. when God sought to know Israel's love for Him through the desert experience, and her fidelity in the face of false prophets.
God desired to know if S&G remained 'faithful to evil' even when confronted with His holy visitors.
So, Fretheim in his landmark book, "Suffering of God":
"The divine if ('im) relates not to God's actual knowledge of the situation in Sodom, but to whether its inhabitants' behaviour is commensurate with 'the outcry against' and what it no doubt called for - namely, destruction." (emphasis mine)How would the people treat divine messengers and a message of repentance? Would a personal visit by the angels inspire even a wee bit of goodness and guilty sorrow in the people?
And - responding to critics like Bruce Ware - Gregory Boyd writes:
"Opponents of the open view often argue that God tests people not for his sake but for theirs. This interpretation would be possible except that each of the verses examined (Gen 22:12; Deut 8:2, 13:3; Judg 3:4; 2Chr 32:31, etc.) explicitly tells us that the testing was for God, not the people being tested. An interpretation that reverses what a text explicitly says is not a viable interpretation.The outcry against S&G certainly suggested the possibility that the people there have fully commited themselves to evil. But God would not base such a terrible judgment on the cries of the victimised alone, dear to Him though they may be - He hears the cries of the oppressed (definitely!) but for the sake of those about to be punished, God needs to know for certain that S&G no longer has any hope left for repentance. This, I propose, is a better way of understanding Gen 18:21 within its context, rather than naively postulating that God doesn't know the present. (Note, however, that the view of divine repentance is perfectly sound within the contexts of many passages in which they're found)."Others argue that if we took these verses literally we would have to deny that God possesses exhaustive present knowledge, for the passages say God wanted to know 'their hearts'. Since Scripture informs us that God knows all things while nevertheless teaching us that God tests people to know their heart, the understanding of 'heart' which this objection presupposes cannot be correct. The two teachings are easily rendered compatible by recognizing that the heart is the seat of a person's will. To discover a person's 'heart' is to discover what their decision will be." (emphasis mine) (Satan & the Problem of Evil, p.107)
Sadly, the scenario outside Lot's house confirmed the totality of evil in S&G : everybody were so steeped in perversion and sin, and all sense of goodness disregarded to the extent that they were willing to perform sexual violence on even holy men. Homosexuality, rape and the persecution of prophets were bad enough by themselves - the ENTIRE COMMUNITY of Sodom & Gomorrah combined all three in a single night!
Such an atrocity even God did not wish to believe the people's hearts were capable of, but proved beyond much doubt that truly evil had reached an absolute dimension in S&G.
Therefore God - with a broken heart, I'm sure - proceeded to rain down
wrath of a uniquely devastating kind (the destruction was sudden and total
and even the vegetation was destroyed, 19:25, something unheard of except
in the Flood). Such a judgment was fittingalso not least because
the scope of their sins was 'international' (derived from the fact that
since all the people of S&G were evil - Gen 18:32, 19:4, etc. - the
outcry against them must've obviously come from the surrounding nations).
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18:21a - I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad
as the outcry that has reached me...
"I need to investigate first-hand the situation in S&G as I want
to be absolutely sure that the hearts of the people are truly as evil as
the outcry from its victims. I know their sins are terrible, but
are their hearts completely dedicated to evil, such that there is
no hope of turning back? Are there not still glimmers of righteousness
within the people?
I am reluctant - though prepared - to judge them with total destruction, for I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked and I yearn to give them every opportunity to choose life.
18:21b - If not I will know...
"Perhaps if I send my angelic messengers to them, they will listen
and turn from their ways. If there is yet any righteous people within
the cities, in spite of the sins they have been committing, maybe they
will respond to my messengers. This will show that they did not truly
commit themselves irreversibly to sin. Either way, I will know for
sure the condition of their hearts."
It should also be noted that the passage also contains strong evidence for the open theist's view of God's relationship with us (as exempliflied in divine repentance):
Yet let's not be so quick to caricature this view of God as groping around blindly through the tunnel of time or as a God - like that of process theology's - who is necessarily limited/powerless within the world:
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Genesis 18 and 19 shows us the loving nature of God even in judgment. God, never the judgment-happy punisher, wanted to investigate and confirm the situation in Sodom and Gomorrah 'first-hand' before inflicting wrath; He was seeking in vain for more than merely a handful of righteous people there, and wanted to give them one final opportunity to repent and prove (to God) that burning sulfur-rain was NOT necessary.
It was the final true condition of the people's hearts - eventually revealed to be demented to a point of no return - which God wanted to find out, over and against that which their victims were crying out. The angelic emissary was S&G's last opportunity to repent, one which they not only rejected but met with even more evil. The resultant judgment was God's reluctant answer to a God-hating community and His sad mode of ensuring justice for the victims, a commitment which God truly wished did not have to be met that way.
Nevertheless, God continually shows His tender-heartedness in giving in to the requests of His loved-ones (Gen 18:23-32), and for their sake relent from intended judgment (Gen 19:21).
This is the God of Love Who yearns to give even the wicked 'second chances'. As His children this is a source of great comfort and reflection: God will stay His hand until He's given us every opportunity to turn from sin. His eyes well up with tears each time we scorn His 'corrective measures' and proceed to sin even more; even then He will not give upon us, He does NOT wish to see us judged with pain and suffering.
He will hold out all the way until we prove decisively to Him - through
active and persistent rebellion against His Word, His Love, His People
- that we no longer want Him in our lives. May this never never be,
and may we always always forever say, "O God, You are my God...my soul
thirsts...for Your love is better than life...and I will praise You as
long as I live" (Psalms 63:1-4)
In His Name,
AL, Dec 2000