Tuesday, 9 June 2015
Thou Shalt Not Muzzle
When the Executive Board hit the Central Ciommittee with the Gang Rush of the St Patrick's Day Massacre
There were a few clever surprises that got slipped in during the confusion.
You can look at the entire motion made by the Executive Board HERE
And one of the sneaky little details was
LCRCC members are asked to signup as a voting member for one team. Each team starts with 5 voting members. The objective is to match volunteer time and skills with the mission or activity of the team.
It also looks like one of the MAJOR objectives was to make certain their people had majority control of the important Teams
Notice how a controlling number of each team's "voting" members had already been selected by THEM?
So much for showing respect for our Volunteers,
Not that they had done much of that in the Past.
Ask them how many of the major volunteers were invited to the Inauguration in Des Moines?
I was given the explanation by one of the Executives that the new system was to prevent a small number of people from having undue influence by being on more than one Committee/Team
So instead they just made sure THEIR people were the only ones who had influence by appointment rather being more involved than in just one Committee/Team?
I mean the people who DID actively participate in multiple Committees/Teams were among the more active Volunteers so it make perfect sense to penalize them..
Also under the Old System we went from a Committee which HAD to take up a collection during each meeting because we did not have enough money in th bank to cover one meeting to-
One that sometimes had as many as 200 attending our meetings, highly sucessful Events and when Cindy Golding took over 20K in the Bank
God FORBID we continue a system that was SO sucessful
No foiks it was never about
Respecting our Volunteers
Or their Time
It was always about
POWER
and CONTROL
The members of the Committee cannot be allowed to make their own choices those choices must be made FOR them by their Betters,
The Exectives will ensure that the "Right" people are in charge of the Teams and the Peons can do what they are told and remember to keep their places,
Unless they vote differently?
Remember there IS a section of the County Constitution which says.
The Executive Committee is subject to the orders of the Linn County Central Committee, and none of its acts shall conflict with actions of the Linn County Central Committee
All it would take would be one motion
I move that the members of the various Teams shall ALL have the same voting rights
And a majority Vote.
Monday, 8 June 2015
How Did I Get HERE?
Did you ever look up while driving and have the thought come to you-
How did I get HERE?
In these present times where my wondering how the Chair of the LCRCC can walk and chew gum at the sametime is considered a terrible breach of Decorum
But their calling me and 4 of my friends Morons and calling one in addition Frankenstein is deemed OK considering the situation,
The situation being that they spent about half of a three and a half hour Team Leader meeting ranting about how to purge the undesirable fringe group that prevent them from getting the work done to Get Repbulicans Elected,.
Bear in mind none of us were at that meeting and they STILL did not spend that much time working on Getting Republicans Elected,.
As I understand it they did not spend a single minute on the Caucuses but they did spend a lot of time on me and my friends.
As for the name calling? Doesn't really matter to me, I am quite capable of returning the favour, And Have.
But the question remains how DID we get HERE?
There was at one time a Linn County Central Committee that was SO broke it HAD to take up a collection to pay for our monthly meeting.
We did not have enough in the bank to do that.
Attendance was the pits.
Then we got a new Exectutive Committee with a Chair who vowed to folllow the instructions in the Constitution and ByLaws\
Who realised that the Decision making power was Constitutionally in the hands of the Body and the Executives were to assist and advise and perform such functions as were assigned to them.
That by the way is a very close paraphrase from the By Laws
We created Sub Committees to handle the work everyone in a Sub Committee had a say and a vote.
Whether somebody was in a Sub Committee was determined by THEM
The LCRCC flourished and grew.
At times we had as many as 200 people attending our meetings
(I got that number from someone who has been working on LCRCC credentials for years)
Our events were very well attended and were very sucesssful.,
They followed one of the cardinal rules of sucess in such ventures
Have a specific event about the same time of the year to build up a following for it.
When that Chair stepped down for reasons to do with their business and health they handed over a thriving LCRCC
With a bank account of over 20K
No longer was it NECESSARY to take up a collection to pay for the monthly meeting.
So when the Co Chair took over from the Chair we supported her because we believed that we were just continuing the sucess we had been enjoying for the two years before.
Boy were we WRONG
At first the signs were small
The Chair had a screaming fit before an event because one of the ladies was putting more than Five mints on each table.
Sitting with me one night at the Starlite after a Communications meeting the Chair said that "Some People" wanted to move the meeting to the downtown Library and while she COULD make that decision she thought it best that the Body did it,
She did NOT like it when I told her (as the Parliamentarian that I was at the time) that since the Body had voted on the Time and Place of the meeting only the Body could make that decision at least if you followed the Constitution
Which apprently she did not want to.
Things kept going down hill after that more fussing more Violations of the Constitution and Breaches of the By Laws.
We were not running under the Rule of Law laid down by the County Constitution, By Laws and Roberts Rules of order but by Cindy Goldings Rules.
The Body Voted to reward volunteers?
Cindy refused to sign the checks because she did not feel like it.
The By Laws say all checks must be signed by the Treasurer and if they are over $500 the expense must be approved by the Body?
Too much trouble in the spirit of Frank Sinatra
Cindy Golding
Did It HER Way
Then they got rid of the Committees replaced them with something called Teams that do about the same thing,
Difference is they got to choose the Team Leaders and they limited voting rights to only 5 members and put their own people in as voting members.
I recall a week before all this happened one of the Exectutive Board came to a Communications meeting and told us they wanted to
Break down the Walls of Distrust and find a way for all of us to work together,.
I took him at his word.
We agreed that I would stand down and not hit the Executive Board with my Blog Posts--which I did.
In return we would all work together for the good of ALL
I means we almost joined hands that night and sang Kumbaya.
A week later was what I have been calling the St Patrick's Day Massacre.
It was a Play to talk me into laying off them and dsitract me from the knife being shoved in my back
Now since then they have made overtures
Why can't we be Friends
Why can't we ALL work together and
Just Trust Us
Again.
I had a discussion last week on just those lines with someone who KNEW that the Team Leader Meeting spent over an hour and a half discussing the removal of me and my friends?
Yeah why don't you tell me why I should trust you.
Friday, 5 June 2015
The Political Shapeshifter
Well I got another letter from my anonymous commenter and they have shifted their identity yet again
If you will remember the return address on the first letter was
The next one the return address was "A Friend" and the signature was
Now they have made a further leapr the return address is "A Democrat" and the signature is
Not as much meat in this last letter. I is composed mainly of quotes from my previous responces along with ahort fable
I see your Friend got to you. Obvious you are a Democrat! !I We all see how you responded to your FRIENDs questions using tricky words to dodge the meaning. That's clever In a Democrat sort of way.
Q - So why is the Hot Air Blogger promoting keeping more people on the Auditor's staff than the Linn County Supervisors think he needs to do his job?
A - Because they have been transferring his staff to other depts and if the next reduction goes into effect the Auditors office will be down from 52 not more than 2 years ago to 13. Which will hamper his efforts to document their swilling at the public trough.
First No I have not been "got to" In my time I have had people looking for me with guns. A letter from some pathetic anonymous author is certanly going to "Get" to me."
Second I am not promoting any elected official keeping more people on his staff than he needs to DO his job. I am opposing pork swilling County Supervisor moving the Auditors employees to other areas so he will not be able to do his job
IE audit Wasteful Government Spending and Fight Pork
The last time I checked most Conservatives supported that sort of activity
So -Its true -It is Important to you to have a Democrat in office. Its important to you to have as many people as possible working for a Democrat. That's Great.
Q ·"Constitution of the Republican Party of Linn County" "The purpose of the organization shall be, under one central committee ... to aid in every way the establishment of Republican principles and policies .... and assist ... in support of the Republican ticket."
A - Great Mr Friend has read part of the County Constitution, Had he read some further he might have discovered that the charge in the Constitution is active support of an opponent of a Republican nominee. I know our educational systems deterioration has lowered literacty standards but I would think that is plain enough that it would not be mistaken for supporting a Non-partisan office in their attempt to document waste in the County Government
In the words of one of my favorite Conservative Statesmen. "There you go again" Creating some Fable from your fevered imaginatioin so you can tilt on it.
I want you to find in all my writings one quote where I contend that it is important to me to have a Democrat in office
In this case both sides of the issue are controlled by members of the Democrtica Partyl The Auditor is a Democrat the County Supervisors are 60% of that Party.
LOL if the Auditor were a Republican he would be screaming like a stuck pig about what the Evil Democratic Controlled County Supervisors were doing.,
I like how you ignored the purpose of the Republican Party and said its a nonpartisan office. Great EXCUSE! This Democrat can't spell literacy either. Hahaha.
I love it that you never explained where you "aided" a Republican. I know you can't explain where you "assisted" and "supported" a Republican ticket ... because you never did.
Which shows how much they know, Tell you what don't take my word for it
Ask Ken Rizer, Harry Foster, Dan Zumback or Rod Blum.
Notice how he makes something up and then hysterically attacks it?
I would be disappointed if you had.
He wold be disappointed if I had supported Republican candidates? LOL
Look who is getting confused?
I think your blog is great for Democrats. We love watching you stir the pot and throw mud around at good Republicans. Thanks for never throwing any dirt at Democrats. Thanks for supporting the Democratic Party and working to divide Republicans. A FELLOW DEMOCRAT
Yawn at his points his froathing at the mouth hysteria just becomes tedious.
And he becomes just a dated curio
Check it out I have HATE MAIL
Cool almost NO ONE gets mail in the Post anymore, I wonder what Dinosaur sent it??
Thursday, 4 June 2015
Lèse Majesté
Lèse-majesté is the crime of violating majesty, an offence against the dignity of a reigning
sovereign
Now that we have an Imperial Chair I suppose it was only a matter of
time before the Executive Committee would decide to remove members
from the Body not for the reasons listed in the Constitution and Bylaws but for the Crime of
Lèse Majesté
Whispers on the Wind inform us that is on the next agenda.
Why we are even informed that those same people who go into withdrawl if the LCRCC meeting goes over 30 minutes, actually had a Team Leader's Meeting that lasted over 3 hours.
I asked someone who was there if any work was done on the Caucuses and was told no, but that half of the meeting was concerned with how to purge me and 4 others from the Committee.
It is nice to know my work has been noticed.
It appears that the Imperial Chair has decided to act wih firmness to protect the Body from Me and My Fellow Minions
All of this is no surprise.
I mean they make up Directions from Roberts Rules that do not Exist
They do not feel that the portion of the Constituion which states that the Executive Committee is under the Orders of the Linn County Central Committee and no Action taken by the Executive Committee shall confilict with that taken by the Central Committee applies to THEM
They feel that the portion of Roberts Rules of Order found on page 467 the the 11th edition were it STATES that except for a ballot vote a Parliamentarian should NEVER vote
is Optional
Also Optional to them is the Sections which mandate that if an expenditure is above a certain amount the Bodies approval is required and that ALL checks while they can be Co-signed by either the Chair or the Co-Chair MUST be signed by the Treasurer
Little details such as Violating the Constution or Breaching the ByLaws are beneath them because
They are Working to Help Republicans get Elected,
They are ALSO walking all over the County Constitution, our By Laws and our Rules of Order
But that does not matter,
So if they decide to create new Rules that give them the ability to remove anyone they choose?
It will be business as usual for this Chair and Exective Commitee
Wednesday, 3 June 2015
Convienient Lies
Before we get to specifics it might be in order to discuss the Nature of Truth, Untruth and Lies
While it is True that ALL Lies are Untrue
It is Not True that all Untruths are Lies
We have to include Mistakes and Human Error.
What mistakes could lead one to uttering something Untrue?
Possibly Ignorance, that is lack of knowledge
Or
Someone could be told something that is Untrue by a person they trust and repeat it.
Our Executive Board and our Chair in particular have in the recent past kept repeating something that is patently Untrue
That All motions and decisions of the Body are voided by an Executive Election.
How do we KNOW this is untrue?
Well for one thing someone with the username jknox65 asked that very same question on the Official Robert's Rules or Order Discussion Forum and was given an emphatic
NO
It turns out that username is also the Facebook Username of our Webmaster James Knox. Still the forum does not have photos so the possiblity does remain that there might be another jknox65 out there in the world wide web.
However if you google jknox65 you get a LOT of hits with his photo
So I would expect that the probability that the Robert's Rules Discusion Forum jknox65 is our jknox65 to be so close to 100% that one might die of old age before they finished listing all the required 9s.
If you wish to see the forum qestion and answers just go HERE and put jknox65 in the search field
You will see the question and the answers and you will see a quote from Robert's Rules or Order Newly Revised 11th Edition
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for
the termination of its effect, it continues in force until
it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
So what does this tell us?
First that the claim that motiions made before the Officers Elections are voided is Untrue
AND
That Mr Knox, a person close to the
Executive Committee, was aware of this FACT back on
the 28th of January
It does not tell us whether Mr Knox shared this with the other members of the Exective Committee
We have no way of knowing WHERE they got the False information from in the first place
We do know that I have repeatedly refuted their claim and presented evidence and that they have repeatedly made the same claim
Perhaps they never read my articles
However
During the May Meeting a member of the Committee rose and READ from Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised 11th edition page 111
the above quote
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for
the termination of its effect, it continues in force until
it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
The responce was that the Executive Committee would take it under advisement?
That they would investigate it?
LOOK AT IT.
It is in PLAIN ENGLISH the BOOK was right there.
The only germane quesiton would have been were those words actually IN that copy of Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised 11th Edition,
Anyone who has a Problem understanding that sentence and needs to "take it under advisement" and have the Executive Committee "investigate it"???
Should probably never try to walk and chew gum at the same time
One other thing we do know now, is that anyone capable of understanding that sentence, who was at the May Meeting of the LCRCC no longer has any excuses
If they continue to make that same claim they will have passed out of the area of Mistakes and Human Error and entered the Land of Lies
Or they might just be mentally deficient rather than morally deficient
Tuesday, 2 June 2015
A Chair's Tale
During the May Meeting of the Linn County Central Committeee one of the members made a stirring and yes heartfelt and sincere appeal for unity and one of their main ipoints was that we should not get derailed on Rules of Order Issues that amount only to the placement of "Thes" and "As"
I completely agree with those sentiments
But the problem is we are not talking about where to put "Thes" or "As" but of the fundamental principles of the LCRCC
Things like the fact that the Constitution mandates that decisions are made by the Body and it is the role of the Executives to advise, assist and perform such functions as may be appointed to them by the Body,
Which a majority of the present Executive Committee chooses to ignore
Things like over a certain amount expenditures are to be approved by the Body,
Which the present Chair has found restraining and so has at times chosen to ignore those restrictions
Things like ALL checks are to be signed by the TREASURER and Co-signed by either the Chair or Co-Chair,
Which again the Chair has at time found constraining particularly when the Treasurer refused to sign checks of amounts that required approval of the Body
So the Chair just IGNORED the restrictions mandated by the By-Laws
But the Chair and some of her supporters would like us to THINK that objections to their Reing by Executive Fiat are only concerned with petty issues of where "As" and "Thes" are placed
You see some people feel that if you tell a Lie Loud enough or Long enough or Often enough it will start to take the appearance of Truth
To others a Lie can always be told by it's stench regardless of the number of times it is repeated
Like the oft repeated mantra that ALL motions and decisions are expunged with the Election of a New Executive Committee
Anyone who wishes to see what a blatant Lie that is only has to turn to the bottom of page 111 or Robert's Rules of Order 11th Edition Newly revised,
Where they will read
THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE
But still the person who made an appeal for the Committee to not be distracted by where "As" and "Thes" shluld be placed did get some applause.
He was sincere, but mistaken and the real import was to imply that the Rule of Law is expendable if it gets in the way of what we want to do.
Which is exactly the position held by Barack Obama when he issues and Execitive Order which ignores the Constitution and Laws passed by Congress.
So it apppears we have a Chari on the County level who ignores the County Constitution and Rules passed by the Body
Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between these two methods of running things?
Maybe I have not been explicit enough in detailing what has been going on these last few years
I will have to correct that failing in my next few posts
Monday, 1 June 2015
Insinuate?
Recently I was informed that I have insinuated that the LCRCC Executives spend money unapproved, that they don't read or follow constitutions, bylaws, or Robert's Rules of Order.
I had NO idea that I was guilty of being so vague
So I feel I must correct this Error,
I "Insinuate" nothing
I categorically STATE that the Executives have spent money unapproved,
That they don't read or follow constitutions, bylaws, or Robert's Rules of Order.
Well maybe the did read some of Robert's Rules of Order but then they decided to ignore what was said and create their own version.
So in an attempt to remove the charge of being an insinuator from my character let me state for the record.
That I am willing, with the proviso that David Chung acts as moderator,
To meet with any portion, in part ie Executive Committee or whole, of the Linn County Central Committee.
And specify what portion of the County Constitution, the By Laws or Robert's Rules of Order have been violated breached or broken.
I am prepared to state which Sections of the County Counstitution, ByLaws and the page numbers in Robert's Rules of Order 11th Edition Newly Revised contain the rules that have been flaunted
I am also prepared to NAME the persons who committed these offenses and when this occurred.
And where I have stated that the Body was told from the podium things that were Not True.
I am prepared to show the proof of that and the proof that SOME of the Executive Board DID have prior knowledge that what was stated to the Body was the opposite of the Truth
I am fully prepared to also present EVIDENCE that is in the Public Record that when One Member of the Committee attempted to bring the fact that a claim made by the Executife Board was not in Fact True that they were Shut Down.
Insinuate?
I think not,
Friday, 29 May 2015
Dulce Et Decorum Est
It would appear that one of the more important items during May's Meeting of the LCRCC that took precedence over even discussion of the Caucuses was
I have given the List Presented by the Executive Committee
Linn County Central Committee Meeting
May 19, 2015
Motion for Rules of Decorum
Official rules of decorum are to ensure that members and officers of the LCRCC shall at all times conduct themselves in a manner that reflects creditably on the LCRCC. The intent is to provide an atmosphere where members debate actions and issues before them in an efficient and collegial manner, showing respect for each other and to the institution.
Members must stand while speaking, and address the Chair with their remarks.
Conversations and other remarks which may interrupt the civil, orderly conduct of the meeting, or the ability of other members to participate in proceedings, are prohibited.
Personal attacks on any member of the body are prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, name-calling, unfounded allegations of wrong doing, or unsupported accusations of malcontent or misfeasance.
Charts and exhibits are allowed during debate to the extent that they inform members. Charts or exhibits that demean the body or any member thereof are prohibited, and any member may object to the use of a chart or exhibit.
No speaker shall be interrupted except by procedure specifically authorized by Roberts Rules of Order or other provisions of the governing documents of the
body.
Members should avoid impugning the motives of another member, using offensive language, or otherwise uttering words which may be deemed unparliamentary. Unparliamentary speech shall include, but is not limited to, the
following:
Defaming or degrading the body
Impugning the motives of another member
Charging falsehood or deception
References to race, creed, or prejudice
Charges related to loyalty or patriotism
With something like this one of my rules is look at the end.
If there are any small print suprises that is where they will usually show up
And Yes Siree there they ARE
Charging falsehood or deception
Note the difference between THAT and
unfounded allegations of wrong doing, or unsupported accusations of malcontent or misfeasance.
When you drop the unfounded or the unsupported it makes quite a bit of difference
So I guess it is OK to Lie and Decieve but pointing that Out is Just Not Done?
But that DOES fit in with recent events
We have seen Our County Constitution Violated with No Repercusionos
We have seen Our By Laws Breached with No Repercusions
We have seen multiple incidents of Fraudulent Voting with No Repercusions
We have seen the Chair and the Executive Committee Rush the Body into Hasty Decisions with Statements that were not True
Heard those same Statements over and over again and when the Chair was presented with the truth we were simply told that
The Executive Committee would take a Direct Reading of Robert's Rules of Order 11th Edition Newly Revised
Under Advisement and Investigate it?
Like they Could NOT simply lift up the Book and Read it themselves at that time?
But then that also fits in with a Parliamentarian who cannot read the last paragraph of the Duties of Parliamentarians in page 467 of Robert's Rules of Order 11th Edition Newly Revised
So all these flagrant violations of our Constitution, By Laws and Rules of Order are just passed over?
But if someone should be Rude?
By GOD we are going to
CALL DOWN THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY!
AND SMITE THEM WITH THE RIGHTEOUS SWORD OF DECORUM!!
Now in truth I really am all for Decorum but I do think in this case the priorities are WAY backwards
How would a Man like Ted Cruz react to being told there were Republicans that thought following their Constitution and ByLaws was optional if they thought it got in the Way of Electing Republicans
Or that fraudulent voting was acceptable if your intentions were pure?
I mean that man really does stand for the Constitution and Against Voting Fraud.
Does anyone really believe he would want people who would do what is listed above to represent him?
The TRUTH is we have in our Leadership those who have trampled on the Principles Republicans Stand for, have misled the Body, Shattered our Rule of Law
And now they want us not to cause a scene about it.
That is what their Decorum Rules are about.
They are nothing more than a Gag Order
Thursday, 28 May 2015
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream
Is a novel by Harlan Ellison and a reasonable IMO
Reaction to some of the events at the last
LCRCC Meeting the third Tuesday of May.
I Have been listening to an audio file of the events
That night which you can peruse
The File is about 2 and a half hours long.
The portions that struck me the most were
At about 1:37 Where the Chair ruled that an Amendment that Chages a Motion is Out of Order
At about 2:02 Where the Chair claimed that All matters passed by the Linn County Central Committee were voided by an Executive Officer Election
And lastly
At about 2:32 Where the Chair Ruled that the Central Committee CANNOT form a Sub-Committee unless it has the permission of the Executive Committee
I am not going to comment at this time
I think I will let my thougts on these actions
Fester, become inflamed
And when they raise pustules
I will share them with my Readers.
But to be succinct
This Executive Committee
And this Chair in particular
Seem to have left the County Constitution,
ByLaws and Our Rules of Order
In this shape
Wednesday, 27 May 2015
Remedial Reading Lessons For Executives Vol I
I don't know if it is the falling levels of public literacy
Or perhaps simple cognitive blockage
The syndrone where one sees what one wants to
But SOMETHING is being lost
Between what is written
And what our Ececutive Board
And their Helpers see.
I was out of town for the Last LCRCC Meeting
So I have about a 2 hour audio record to go through
I will comment on what I find in a series of posts
I feel there will be to much material to put into a single one,.
We will start with a statement by the Chair
Which Claims that upon the Creation of a New Executive Board that ALL
Motions and Decisions made by a previous LCRCC are voided,
That Claim has been made before
It was one of the reasons claimed for the need for a Rush To Approve the Night of the St Patrick's Day Masacre
It remains now as it was then
NOT TRUE
A claim was made that this is part of Robert's Rules of Order and that is also
NOT TRUE
What IS true is that on 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM
someone calling themselves jknox65 (which just happens
to be the Facebook Username
of our Webmaster James Knox)
Asked THIS Question on the Officlal Robert's Rules of Order Forum
I was wondering if motions that had
passed
during a previous Executive boards rein,
do
these carry over to the new presiding
officers? Do motions bind the hands
of a new body after an election? I would
thing by-law changes would but I am
uncertain about motions?
And was Told
That unless the Body voted to change a previous decision or there was an expiration date in the original motion that YES they stay in effect PERIOD
I wrote about this previously in
The Great Motion Expiration Swindle
You may go see for your self at the RONR Website HERE
Or you can look at a copy and paste of it lifted and placed in this post.
When do passed Motions expire?
Started by jknox65 , Jan 28 2015 08:37 AM
Motions Elections 3 replies to this topic
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Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM
I was wondering if motions that had passed during a previous Executive boards rein, do these carry over to the new presiding officers? Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election? I would thing by-law changes would but I am uncertain about motions?
Can someone advise and reference where it may or may not support the expunging of previous sessions passed motions?
#2 Hieu H Huynh
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Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:45 AM
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for the termination of its effect, it continues in force until it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
#3 Edgar Guest
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Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:57 AM
jknox65, on 28 Jan 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:
Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election?
No. The board is free to rescind (or otherwise amend) motions previously adopted by the board (assuming, of course, that the actions authorized by the motions have not been completed). There is no "expunging".
It's best not to think of "the old board" and "the new board". It's just "the board" (with occasional changes in membership).
Everything I know about RONR I learned from Mr. Mountcastle. And everything he knows about RONR he learned from this forum.
#4 Gary Novosielski
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Posted 28 January 2015 - 01:51 PM
No, they don't bind the hands of a future body any more than they bind the hands of the current body.
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Unless otherwise indicated, responses are based upon the current edition of RONR as of the date of posting. The rules in your bylaws supersede those in RONR.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -Margaret Mead
For those who might snidely quip that this is just someone's interpretation?
Might I point out that there is a quote AND source from Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised 11th edition
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for
the termination of its effect, it continues in force until
it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
Now it IS possible that Mr Knox made this inquiry and never told the Executive Board the result.
They might actually believe what they are saying
But it is EQUALY True that what they are saying is
NOT True,
A very interesting quesiton would be who if anyone TOLD them this preposterous pile of bunk that they keep using to justify ILLEGAL Actions.
PS got another letter while I was away from my anonymous adimirer, We will look at their last attempts at correspondence hilarity after we deal wiith a few other issues
Such as Breaches of the County Constitution and ByLaws by the current Exective Board and Parliamentarian.
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