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Hi folks,
Here is more on the Salmon Wolf Hearing. Below are complete notes on the event
by Salle Englehardt, who got up at 4:30 a.m. to drive to Salmon and attend.
Thanks, Salle!
It pretty clear now the hearing was designed to showcase Tim Sundles' story.
Anna Means of the Challis Messenger has a story that indicates Senator Crapo
and many others hand foreknowledge of his story.
http://www.challismessenger.com/newspgs/816wolf.html Many people have asked me if Sundles will be prosecuted. I doubt it.
First of, it there even a dead wolf? If there is, it would be in an advanced
state of decomposition. Sundles says the wolf has disappeared. Forensic experts
would not be able to tell if any wolf, if found, was shot at 100 yards or at 10
feet. Secondly, killing a wolf in self-defense is legal. Is there any observer
to say Sundle's did not kill a wolf in self defense? Thirdly, I think this
meeting was a warning to Fish and Wildlife Service law enforcement to go very
slow. Gale Norton is in charge, as the presence of her "science advisor"
indicated.
Finally, the point was to get a story out there that someone has been attacked by the wolf. Predictions that someone would soon be attacked by a wolf were made from Day one. Montana Senator Conrad Burns said in 1995 that a little girl would eaten within a year. There has been a desperate political and cultural need for a wolf attack story. Now they have it, and it will be repeated
endlessly.
One thing for sure, as a recent Missoulian editorial argued http://missoulian.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2001/July/15-240-opinion5.txt On the other hand, a number of pro-wolf people testified in Salmon in front of a crowd with guns. Bravery does still exist in Idaho, and my applause goes to
Stew Churchwell, Becca Weigand, David Richmond, Suzanne Laverty, Bob
Wagenknect, and William Wilson. In fact the anti-wolf testifiers came close to
being outnumbered.
Public hearing at Salmon, Idaho August 14, 2001.
I learned late on August 13, 2001 that there was a public hearing scheduled at Salmon, Idaho for the following morning. I reasoned that there would be few
individuals who could attend on such short notice, particularly since it was at
a remote location in the morning on a weekday. I am currently unemployed so I
chose to go. I left Pocatello at 4:30 am and drove to Salmon. I was not able to
attend the early meeting for agency personnel so I had breakfast and went for a
short hike since I would be seated throughout the meeting and then spend three
hours driving back afterward.
At 10:10 am I entered the town hall and waited for others to arrive. Three wolf monitors from the western part of central Idaho were there and a few other wolf recovery supporters that I recognized. I went in wearing an old work shirt from a petroleum transport company I once worked for to give the impression that I could be on either side. I parked around the corner and chose not to speak. I went to observe and take notes. I was greeted by Carter Niemeyer of U.S. Wildlife Services and Ed Bangs of U.S. Wildlife Services whom I met last April at Chico Hot Springs [Interagency wolf conference]
Niemeyer sat next to me during the meeting. I was glad he did, partly for
protection, partly because I wanted to have some help recording the names and
affiliations correctly since I don't know who most of these people are.
The rest I could figure out for myself. I am aware that the same set of
individuals will show up at hearings every time they are held. We sat at the
back of the room with our backs to the wall as there was considerable presence
of firearms in the room and only some of them were accompanied by a badge on
the bearer's chest. Under such circumstances I have learned to be extremely
cautious. I have seen things go terribly wrong under similar conditions and
wanted to be near a door and have nothing but a wall behind me with both exits
in sight. Niemeyer seemed to have a similar sense of self preservation which
gave me a feeling of comfort.
In attendance were U.S. Sen. Mike Crapo, Jim Tate from the Dept. of Interior,
Georgia Dixon (Senator Craig's office?), Laurel Hall from U.S. Rep. Simpson's
office, Ed Bangs-coordinator for wolf recovery U.S. Wildlife Services, Greg
(couldn't catch his last name) the species recovery policy advisor for Gov.
Kempthorne, and Lenore Barrett state rep. of the Custer/Lemhi County district.
There were other agency officials whom I don't know and whose names I didn't
record but spoke to after the meeting ended.
I took dictation of all testimony in my own shorthand, 25 pages of notes. This
is the transcription of what I recorded with as many quotes as I was able to
write down. I omitted some of the testimony because it was redundant but I have
described the content in my own words as I understood it.
The audience was first addressed by Sen. Crapo who set speaking time limits to
2 minutes after which a small group asked to forfeit their time to other
speakers, mostly to Ron Gillette of the Central Idaho Wolf Coalition.
Crapo opened with his comments about his views and, supposedly, the official
State opinion on wolves. He identified concerns over conflict issues relative
to social and economic impacts on the presence of wolves in Idaho as well as
public safety issues, the impact on ungulates and the cost of the program. He
said that the official State opinion is that "wolves are a burden on the State"
and that aggressive actions to delist them was the goal. With delisting, Crapo
insisted, that ranchers could then simply kill them when they saw them on their
land or chasing their cattle. He stated that he was concerned over the safety
of individuals when wolves are "in their area", as he nodded slightly and made
eye contact with Tim Sundles.
At this point I wish to move forward to the very end of the testimony because
it became the centerpiece of the meeting. It was in all the local news that
evening and the next morning. Sundles was the last speaker, which was apropos,
due to the impact his tale was intended to make. This also brings up the
possible orchestration of terminology used by several speakers leading up to
Sundles' story.
After the meeting Sundles was approached by all media reps. He appeared more
than happy to tell the whole story over and then some.
Sundles' story emerged in this fashion. Sen. Crapo got up and acted as though
all was said but he wanted to make sure everybody had their say so he asked,
"Is there anyone else?" It was at this time that Tim Sundles got up and
approached the podium. He hadn't signed the speaker sign up sheet at the
beginning of the meeting.
[Speaker no 18] Tim Sundles, Resident in Tower Creek (north of Salmon)
In a shaky tone he looked around nervously and began, "My wife didn't want me
to get up and tell this story but I feel I have to. I killed a wolf recently. I
know I'm in trouble with the law about this but I killed an alpha with a radio
collar. I know his number and I know all about this wolf now. We were camping
up in the Frank Church wilderness and it attacked my wife and me....I shot it
with four rounds. We packed in..." He went on to tell his tale about how the
terrible event took place, failing to mention the number on the collar, and
stating that he's a marksman of note so he was a good shot but that the first
round didn't take it down. He gave an account in sketchy detail about how the
pack stalked them and rousted his mules. He said he hazed it only to have it
return to attack him and his wife a couple hours later in "broad daylight". He
claims they were "on vacation" and weren't looking for wolves even though he's
made it no secret that he's anti-wolf. He said that he found out, when he
turned himself in, that this was a problem wolf and that "...he'd been
relocated a number of times." ("I know all about this wolf now"= five times)
Applause. Solitary standing ovation by Idaho State Representative Lenore
Barrett.
At first I wondered why this guy was not in shackles or handcuffs and why was
he not surrounded by the marshals upon his opening statement. The longer he
spoke the more I believed that this was a carefully scripted testimonial,
fabricated for this event. It was then that I understood the many claims about
personal safety and unprovoked attack on humans that had been made throughout
the meeting. It was also clear what the eye contact between this guy and
Senator Crapo at the beginning of this whole session was about. I was later
told by informed sources that Sundles is well known locally for his views and
claims. I also learned that the wolf in the alleged attack had never been
relocated and had not been a problem wolf.
Having read the Candace Burns article in the Idaho Falls Post Register the
morning after, I see that Sundles' story was the lead in her report. I noticed
that she was careful to speculate that his story was a surprise to the audience
and especially to Sen. Crapo. The eye contact that I noticed, I was sitting
behind him a few feet back which made the line of Crapo's sight especially
clear, indicated to me when Sundles gave his testimony this was not the first
time the senator had heard the tale. It was no more a big surprise when Ron
Gillette, of the Central Idaho Wolf Coalition, stood up and offered to pay for
his legal defense that it was, obvious to me, orchestrated. Perhaps Sundles
shot the wolf and then made up the story.
Returning to chronology of the meeting, Jim Tate spoke next after Crapo. He
opened with salutary statements in praise of Gale Norton and commented on what
"a good job she is doing" and he thinks she will be very productive as
Secretary of the Interior by including public involvement . . . as though it
was not one of the practices of the previous administration, judging from his
tone.
Ed Bangs spoke third. He gave a brief history relating the number of introduced
wolves and related that the population is increasing at a healthy rate and that
there are 29 confirmed breeding pairs at the 2000 wolf census.
The goal for delisting is 30 breeding pairs.
He emphasized the possibility of reaching that goal by 2002. He suggested that
there may eventually be a Fish and Game managed harvest season on these animals
much like those held for cougar and bear after delisting has been implemented
and that the target number of breeding pairs can be maintained. He stated that
observation of predation impact on livestock is much lower than anticipated at
the outset of the recovery program. He stated that the focus is to delist
wolves as soon as possible but that this requires an accepted State management
plan that can maintain an established number of breeding pairs or the federal
government would have to take over management again to maintain the population
to avoid another instance of extinction.
Greg, from Governor Dirk Kempthorne's office spoke next. His anti-wolf bias was
obvious in his tone and vocabulary. He stated that, "The Governor's perspective
is that the wolves are a burden to humans and wildlife..." His targets are 1)
the "paperwork" meaning that the policies need to be written and ratified for
delisting. 2) sustenance of elk populations and other big game. 3) dealing with
issues of livestock. He then went on to claim that "The Endangered Species Act
is out of date. It is a failing policy and we can't wait for a new law." He
continued to suggest that the big game effects are a "tough transition" through
movement of elk populations and mortality of calves within herds was
devastating to the populations of elk. He suggested that the "best ways to live
with it" were to force the federal government to fund all operations involving
the wolves. He said, "...it's hard to live with wolves" and he blamed the
federal government for all the trouble and that "we have no say" in the matter.
I believe he meant that the citizens if Idaho had no say but it translated, in
my opinion, to those who object to reintroduction of the wolves.
It occurred to me, at this point, that the State officials were promoting an
atmosphere of the underdog who had these troublesome predators foisted upon us
against our will which would translate to the promotion of the myth that the
federal government is a dictatorship that should be fought at all costs.
Next Sen. Crapo stood up and asked Ed Bangs to clarify the stipulations of the
delisting process. He asked if Idaho could be considered separately from
Wyoming and Montana in the delisting process. Bangs answered that all three
states were "linked" in this issue and that all three states, since they are a
regional ecosystem habitat, must have a management plan in place before
delisting could take place and that no, Idaho could not act separately from the
other states.
The public comment session-
(Note: I am trained to tally terminology that is used in excess during
testimony. Thus, I have included some word counts in the testimonies to provide
a sense of the rhetorical tone of comments made by individuals though I did not
actually write out the entire comment due to redundancy.)
1) Dave Nelson, cattleman from Mackay, president-elect of the Idaho
Cattlemen's Association.
"Thirty-five Canadian grey wolves were introduced in Idaho in spite
of tremendous efforts against this. Now there are, what, 300? I want to hammer
on the issue of property rights. We must delist them immediately or sooner,
financed by the federal government. We have to protect private property rights.
These Canadian greys get into trouble, they cause stress to cattle and reduce
births and conception. These are welfare wolves. I call them that because it is
taxpayer's money that pays their way. I'm a Canadian, in Canada we have 'wild
wolves' and they would get into trouble all the time, when they came down into
the valley we killed 'em." "We need to keep 'em wild. We need to have the
opportunity to destroy them on our private property to protect our personal
safety and prevent child attack!"
"We need to overhaul the Endangered Species Act and we intend to pick
it apart one brick at a time. Introduction was terrible for outfitters, hunters
and...I have a whole list of hurts here.." "The cost is out of hand and getting
worse. It is urgent that we delist them and finance management." (Private
property = 14 times)
2) Jack Oiler, Twin Falls. Central Idaho Wolf Coalition.
He began by presenting a letter on big game herds from 5/20/99. He
didn't give the origin of the letter or its composer. "The State legislators of
Montana, Wyoming and Idaho strongly oppose the terms dictated by the US Fish
and Wildlife Service. We disagree with management costs. They have ignored the
concerns of our Senators and State legislators. We had no vote. Idaho should
have had the opportunity to object."
"The legislators has spoke clearly. Idaho State legislation HJM 6 of
2000 and HJM 5 of 2001 are clear, very clear. There has been a tremendous
impact...effect on hunters, Small business, tax bases...I have a full page of
losses here."
"On 8/12/94 Ed Bangs admitted there were wolves in Idaho but he
ignored that. Our big game are decimated in Idaho because of these wolves."
3) Dave Richmond, Friends of the West, Clayton.
"I have no fear of wolves. The only and worst fear is fear itself. I
think we've all heard that one enough from FDR. I worry about the breakdown of
democracy when we say that wolves are a problem and that 'we' don't want them
here."
"There has been an increase in elk and we need to balance the
ecosystem. Before wolves were reintroduced we had aspen decimation because the
elk stayed in one place. Wolves are important, they're integral to the
ecosystem. There has never been an unprovoked attack" [on humans].
Following this comment Sen. Crapo had to get up and calm the crowd who
were booing and groaning.
4) Marilyn Brower, part time teacher, Clayton.
"I have lived in Clayton Idaho for 20 years and I'm a teacher. There
are many legitimate sides to this. The two most fundamental are; one, Idaho
citizen rights of representation and Constitutional and second, Idaho's right
to deny the federal government's imposition of predators!" When I go hiking, I
carry a 9mm! And when I see a wolf I'll shoot 'em if I can hit 'em."
"It is well known around the world, in Europe and India, that these animals
are people eaters!" She went on to identify an alleged list of quotes from the
New York Times of numerous claims of wolf attacks.
"We are not allowed to protect ourselves...to protect our lives."
~ Applause, no smooth over by Crapo.
5) Bob Loucks
"Since the first proposal of wolf reintroduction in 1984 we have been
polarized over this. There are eco-sickos and rancher-sickos and neither
extreme is going to get their way or win. It's a 'no win' position. We need to
reach the recovery goal and delist them. We need an oversight committee."
6) Stew Churchwell, East Fork of the Salmon River
Churchwell's concerns revolved around the likelihood that "politics
derail good science" on this issue.
He stated that many government agencies and academics "watch
populations" and that he agrees with "sound management". He quoted Aldo Leopold
in a famous quote where Leopold wrote that in order to preserve a whole item
that has been dismantled and in order to repair it one must "save all the
parts". He stated that "we need all the parts" and that wolves are a part of
the natural setting. He said that the Endangered Species Act and wolf recovery
are necessary and that the health of the region's natural resources depend on
wholeness. He scolded that the "no wolves" advocates "don't get it." "Wolves
are an essential component."
7) Dan Jolly, rancher (Jay Nieder's [see Nieder's testimony below]
son-in-law, member of U. S. Senator Larry Craig's staff), Nampa .
Jolly said that he has been discouraged since reintroduction. He
claims that it is "not working". He said that Adam Gall, his ranch hand, said
just today that there are more wolves on his property and "up the country". He
said that if there's elk anywhere, there's wolves nearby. He complained that
delisting would work if and only if there was an increase of elk on his ranch.
He said that there was a problem with the elk calf count and that the cost of
wolves was increasing and never going to go down. He said "We need to know the
rules of the game before the game starts." And, "...we need more ranchers,
foresters and miners on these committees."
~This individual sounded as though he was penning up the elk and that
there was a problem with elk being a migratory grazing animal. His tone seemed
to equate elk on his property with ownership of wild game.
8) Scott Farr, Outfitter on the Middle Fork of the Salmon River.
Farr insisted on delisting as soon as possible with [elk] recruitment
levels in specific areas. "I'm serious as a heart attack, there are so many out
of business outfitters and there will be more no matter what research says."
"Wolves cause a decline in ungulate populations in their areas." (recruitment
levels = 5 times)
~I had to wonder how much these outfitters he mentioned really know about
the nature of their prey. Could it be that they have become so comfortable with
elk lingering in predictable places in "their areas" that the movement of this
migratory specie has become a problem for the predictable security of a kill
with the least amount of sportsmanlike activity as in actually having to "hunt"
them? Are their clients really wanting to actually hunt or be led to a virtual
pen where they can just walk up and shoot their trophy? If that is the case,
there is a serious problem with this so called "sport" activity. The tracking
of prey is what the "sport" is supposed to be about, not the shooting of a
high-powered rifle to hear its report in the woods with the added benefit of
killing a penned animal in the process. That's what I am always told by
hunters -- that finding their prey and actually "hunting"is the what makes it a
sport.
9) Ron Gillette, outfitter, Stanley - given 4 extra minutes conceded by
his supporters.
Facing Ed Bangs he began, "We're tired of misinformation! I'm an
outfitter from Stanley, I have nine cabins in Stanley and I run float trips and
hunting guide trips in that area. I did my own survey last fall. Of all the
hunters that rented my nine cabins all said they would not be back and they
said it was because of the wolves. They have devastated the elk, their numbers
are plummeting. These hunters said that they found carcasses with half a pound
of meat on them and that they saw tracks around them and that there were no elk
to hunt."
"The only way to delist them is to petition the Secretary of the
Interior. These are Canadian wolves, an alien species." {A comment from the
crowd: "You're an alien species"} Mr. Gillette continued with his demand that
"...the Canadian grey, all of them and their offspring, be removed from the
state immediately." "Congress has broken every promise it ever made. They said
there'd be no economic hurt, that it wouldn't effect hunting." He went on to
say that study is not capable of revealing the damage done to the citizens of
Idaho and ventured the notion that item 7G of the Endangered Species Act says
the state may petition against the reintroduction and that item I requires
delisting.
He then restated that he opposes the federal government and its
regulations and said, "They will never be delisting in our lifetime!" "We've
done our homework. There are three public policies that the federal government
has ignored and broken its promise on; the Taylor Act, Pittman Act, and
Uncontrolled Predators Act." He called for "...legislation to enact immediate
removal, stop the slaughter of wildlife [that goes on] unchecked."
10) Suzanne Laverty, Boise, Idaho representative for Defenders of
Wildlife.
"Ufda!" she said of all the rhetoric that was put forth in the
previous testimony. She stated facts about the reimbursement programs as well
as purchase of deterrence devices, volunteers, purchase of alternative grazing
areas and the many efforts of the Defenders programs to relieve the losses due
to predation and to take action to avoid wolf/cattle interaction. She stated
that in all this time there have been roughly 200 sheep lost compared to 20
lethal control actions taken against wolves that have been found to prey on
livestock. Laverty also commented on the many ranchers that "we" [Defenders]
have been working with, present at this meeting. The room fell uneasily quiet.
~It seems that the comment on the number of ranchers that were "working
with" Defenders of Wildlife was aimed at those who were giving negative
testimony about the wolves solely for the benefit of Sen. Crapo's credibility
with Tate, when in the "real world" they were actually living with a more
positive attitude about wolf management practices.
11) Rebecca Wiegand, Lowman
She began by looking around the room and calmly stating that despite
the prior negative commentary, "We want wolves. There is good management." She
quoted some figures relating that the cost of wolves being relocated or killed
in control actions were much greater than the cost of livestock losses. She
then asked Ed Bangs to address two issues: 1) big game populations and the
rates of predation and health conditions based on scientific studies that have
been ongoing since the mid 1980's to the present and 2) Issues of personal
safety and just how many actual wolf attacks on humans have ever been
documented.
She closed by saying, "Wolf recovery should be based on science and
biology."
12) Jay Neider, rancher, Stanley
"There have been four wolves seen in my pasture and the Forest 'Circus',
US Fish and Wildlife Service and the Indians don't even know it. We're lied to
all the time. They've denned on my property; my [grazing] allotment!" He then
confronted Ed Bangs about several of his claims and accused Bangs of lying to
him and the other ranchers waving his hands as though he might backhand Mr.
Bangs.
. . . At this point, when Mr. Neider became too flustered about his topic, he
wandered from his script and ranted about the federal services lying and the
Nez Perce tribal council lying, referring to them as "the Indians". I was
later informed that his son-in-law, Dan Jolly speaker #7, is on Larry Craig's
staff and lives in Nampa.
13) Bob Wagenknect, sheepherder, Leadore.
He said that there were "cross-purposes eliminating problem wolves by
killing them." He said, "We use guard dogs." He said he almost ran one [wolf]
over and his friend shot one and they were the only wolves he's seen. "The only
predator around is the two legged kind." He called for "...better management
and better control." He said he reasoned that "...the cost of a thirty dollar
ewe" compared to the expenses of wolf control actions and other costs involved
in the reintroduction program was essentially a no-brainer.
. . . It appears that, in addition, his intent was to present the idea that if
wolves keep getting shot and suffer lethal control actions, delisting would be
a long way off in the future, if that's what the state government wants and
which is likely to be only real outcome.
14) Gary Power, former Idaho Fish and Game employee.
Mr. Power stated that he was working for the Fish and Game Department when
cougars were the problem predator. He indicated that it was basically the
same -- same issues different species. He is currently involved in a winter
study of ungulate/predator population with a graduate student who is writing a
thesis using this information. Mr. Power cited actual winter counts taken of
animal populations in big game management unit 28. He stated that most of the
of the prey taken by cougars compared to wolves was somewhat different due to
the manner in which each species hunts.
He said that the animals taken by wolves were generally in poor health,
though the preferred prey for wolves are elk calves. Cougar will take healthier
prey but these numbers are not great. He also mentioned that last year's fires
were the cause of some displacement of wildlife in those areas affected by the
fires.
He said the study is in need of funding. It started out with $20,000 from
Lemhi County but has acquired additional funds exceeding that amount through
grants and donations from many nongovernmental organizations. He said the study
will continue as long as they can acquire funding sufficient to sustain it.
He closed by saying, "Good science...get[s] real facts."
. . . Mr. Power ran out of time but two minutes were conceded by a man in the
back row of the audience and he was allowed to finish.
15) William Wilson, Lowman
Mr. Wilson spoke about poaching and stated that there was a considerable
amount of it going on in his area and that if the outfitters were worried about
elk population decimation, they might get on this issue and do something about
that rather than complain about wolves. He said that there were quite a few
incidences of poaching of several animals shot by high-powered firearms and the
carcasses left to rot. He said, "...sure, the wolves come and eat them after
they've been shot but they don't use bullets and kill half a herd" [in one
evening and just drive away]. He went on to say, "Wolves are getting a bad rap.
We need preservation [of natural predators], we need bears and wolves. We don't
need a vacuum where humans are the only predator."
16) Bernard Schwartz, ranch hand
He got up and started to speak though his voice got shaky after his
opening sentence. "I'm
concerned. Not about wolves but about the flag. I went to war and fought for
that flag." He went on about how he was a patriot and that "..it's bureaucrats!
Bureaucrats are running the country! And I don't like it!" He said he was a
hired hand on a ranch run by some couple in the audience and he just wasn't
happy about the bureaucrats, "...they run roughshod over our rights!"
17) Lenore Barrett, state rep. of the Custer/Lemhi county district.
She marched up to the podium and began, "This issue has been debated to
death! And the pseudo-science surrounding it. There was no problem with wolves
until wolves were reintroduced!" She endorsed the legislative "memorial" she
wrote with the help of Ron Gillette. "This memorial was passed in the Idaho
State legislature, this is an official policy statement, that calls for the
immediate removal of these wolves." She said that this "statement" calls for
monetary reimbursement of all the costs related to reintroduction. "The Idaho
Republican party wants the removal of all wolves and their offspring."
After repeating the information above a number of times she closed with,
"State funded management for an animal we don't want, don't need and can't
afford? We don't need the federal government..." [telling us what to fund and
what to do]. "We need to protect our safety, well being and property rights."
(Immediate delisting = 8 times)
18) Tim Sundles, Tower Creek (north of Salmon) -- the highlight of
morning. His testimony is reported at the beginning of this report.
Sen. Crapo closed the meeting using the term "diversity" like it was a new word
he just learned and was trying to figure out how to use. He called for
"aggressive" action to delist the wolves and that broad public consensus was
needed to achieve this end. He said "...we must address the impacts on humans
and society." At that moment I became disinterested in his reiterations and
stopped taking notes. (Diversity = 6 times; Impact = 5 times in 3 minutes)
. . . I sensed that the Senator's intent was to get delisting enacted in a
hurry so that the ranchers could have an open season on wolves and was not
willing to heed Ed Bangs' reminder that if the wolf population declines to a
dangerous level the federal government would be back in the business of
controlling the management of the wolves again, like it or not. It also seemed
that "aggressive action" to delist implied that humans could somehow hurry up
the natural processes by which wolves multiply. It was very confounding they
way he used this phrase.
[Ed note:] Englehardt is a member of the Board of the Wolf Recovery Foundation. I want to thank her for the time-consuming job of transcribing her notes
Thank you Ralph for this superior enlightment of which we most of us would have never known the "real" contents of this meeting. Please visit Ralph's Site where you will find issues on all species of wildlife.
A wolf tale from left field
By Louise Wagenknecht
Tuesday, Sen. Mike Crapo hosted a meeting in Salmon to take public testimony
about the future of a (possibly) recovered wolf population in the northern
Rockies, which may eventually be managed by the states. Giving short statements
about the de-listing process, and later listening to the testimony, were Ed
Bangs of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Dr. Jim Tate, science advisor to
Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton, and Greg Schildwachter, advisor to the
governor's Office of Species Conservation.
Since then, I've been wondering whether the meeting was really held to gain
information, or to create a media frenzy. What happened had all the earmarks of
political theater, right down to the startling revelation at the end that
ensured television coverage and newspaper headlines the next day.
Whatever it was, it worked. Tim Sundles, the young man who rose at the very end
of the public comment period to tell a harrowing tale of being attacked by and
then shooting a collared male wolf in the Frank Church-River of No Return
Wilderness, had everyone there on the edge of our seats. He claimed to know the
wolf's history and radio collar number. For sheer drama, this took the cake. As
the meeting ended, Crapo rose and said, "You never do know what's going to come
up at a town meeting - especially in Salmon."
But according to this week's Challis Messenger, Crapo did know what Mr. Sundles
was going to say. So did Lenore Barrett, next to whom Sundles was sitting. For
that matter, so did the entire Salmon office of the Idaho Department of Fish
and Game; Sundles had told his story to them the week before.
This was not an exclusive confession. It seems to me that when you already know
what the last speaker is going to say, that's not just a meeting. It's show
business.
There was little advance notice for the meeting. This in itself is unusual:
most visits to Salmon by congressmen are preceded by radio announcements for
about a week. This time, silence. Pro-wolf organizations complained that they
learned of the meeting far too late to be able to send more than a handful of
speakers. Theater requires a cast, but not too big a cast, apparently.
Sundles described a situation in which he was forced to kill a wolf in
self-defense. Since the wolf behavior that Sundles describes flies in the face
of all scientific knowledge about the behavior of healthy North American
wolves, the story should not simply be taken at face value. It deserves to be
checked out, analyzed and challenged. If some wolves in Idaho's backcountry
really have begun to act in a manner that contradicts everything that wildlife
biologists have learned about wolves over the past 40 years - that it does, in
fact, contradict everything in the peer-reviewed literature on the subject -
then this should be verified and made known.
It is unfortunate that the very thing that might most clearly confirm Mr.
Sundles' narrative - the carcass of the wolf - is probably lost.
Finding out what did or did not happen is important. Stories like this seldom
appear in a vacuum. This one happens to coincide in time and space with a
particular political agenda, heavily represented at the meeting, that rejects
any future for wolves in Idaho at all. Speaking at that meeting, Crapo used
words like "collaborative decision-making." If he really meant them, in the
sense in which most Idahoans understand those words, then it's up to him to
walk that walk. And he should begin by having his staff thoroughly scrutinize
the story that his meeting so effectively publicized.
More healthy input from Idaho --- and they want to take control of the wolves ... right!!!!
"There is only one way to manage wolves - get rid of them," said
Ron Gillett, a Stanley outfitter and president of the Central
Idaho Wolf Coalition, a group that wants wolves removed from
Idaho.
"We're tired of going down to the governor's office and having
some of our politicians tell us to be patient. These wolves will
not be delisted in our lifetime," he said. "We've done our
homework, and there's a way these wolves can be taken out of
here, and we want it done quickly."
The Tim Sundles senario.....
Board one......
http://www.kifaru.net/HUNTBRD2_toc.htm
..... a preview .....
Re: Sundles
No harm done since I voluntarily went public with it--thats how it made the AP.
Ever since they introduced those wolves, I was afraid this would happen--given
I spend so much time in the mountains and also given that the wolves are
multiplying very fast.
Yes, a pack of nine wolves tried to kill my horses when they were tied up in
the Middle Fork wilderness. I was 16 miles in, camping with my wife. I did not
want to even see a wolf on this trip, as all I wanted was some relaxation and
quality time with my wife.
The short version of the story is that when I tried to scare them off, the
alhpa male attacked my wife and I and I killed him about ten feet from my wife.
Long story--dont have time to tell it here. Afraid my fame is growing--I never
wanted it to happen this way.
I could have stayed quiet about the wolf and no one would have ever known, but
I felt the public had a right to know the truth as the feds and the enviros are
always saying that healthy wolves never attack people. Plus I have a right to
defend life and property according to the constitution. However, under the
endangered species act, I no longer have that right. Truly the gov. is placing
animal rights above human rights--never mind destroying the constitution.
Ive always been anti wolf reintroduction. I actualy like the wolves--they are
magnificent animals. But i dont like seeing the gov. use them as a pawn to take
away our freedoms--so I went public at my own peril. They may try to break me
financialy or imprison me or whatever (hope they leave me alone) but I will not
sit by and watch them take away the constitution without an attempt to do my
part to help.
http://www.kifaru.net/HUNTBRD2/00000042.htm
Assured that he is in no trouble whatsoever Sundles posts the findings...
From: Sundles
Comments
You obviously have it out for me--never met you , but have at it if it will make you happy to keep saying what deep crap you think Im in. As for assumptions--there is no cell phone service in the Middle Fork. Oooops, that was one of your assumptions wasnt it??? There are 150 mile long stretches of Idaho hiway with no phone service linda. Also has it occured to you that there are things I just cant say while an ivestigation is under way???
I took two federal ivestigators into the Middle Fork today from a different route (I left at 4:30 AM)that you cannot pull a horse trailer into,but it is a short hike from the trail head(no phone service at the trail head either Linda, so cool your jets!) I showed them the dead wolf and the whole scenario. Once you see the whole situation, it is very easy to understand what happened.
For some reason unknown to me you have it out for me which makes you look pretty irrational. I hate to disapoint you, but I wont be destroyed or even hurt over this--cant tell you why right now Linda--wouldnt be prudent. The wolf attack actualy happened and the investigators got to see everything today and no, I did not help them pack that stinky carcass out five miles! I and the Custer county sherrif left them up there to finish their work alone.
http://www.kifaru.net/HUNTBRD2/0000007a.htm
Board two.....
http://www.kifaru.net/POLITIX/000000b9.htm
And here you meet the REAL TIM SUNDLES...... His essay on his PERSONAL beliefs.
http://www.kifaru.net/life.htm
WRITE THE NEWSPAPERS AND SHARE YOUR FEELINGS ON THIS
UNBELIEVEABLE STORY. Isn't it "odd" that Crapo would not only NOT
post the meeting until 4PM the night before it was to take place AND pretend
he knew nothing of Tim Sundles upcoming bombshell testimony of a wolf
attack on his wife???
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