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BIBLE STUDY with DARREL BIRD @ Word2day.com - home of Strombolis eZine On Matthew 3:11

 

 

SO YOU DON’T SPEAK IN TONGUES?

Matthew 3:11 – Teacher Darrel Bird, Oregon

 

So you don’t speak or pray with tongues.

 

When John was on the scene he said this: Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Baptize in this sense means emersion, I don’t want to get into the argument of sprinkling versus emersion here. But in this case John is baptizing in the river, he baptizes Jesus, he baptizes with water and he says Jesus will baptize (immerse) with the Holy Ghost.

 

The cessation-ist says, well, tongues were not used for 1900 years and to be truthful I have no explanation for the last 1900 years.

 

So whom are we going to believe, years and practice or the Bible, the Bible record or the human record? Lets see now, what has the human record given us, there is world war one, world war two, Korea and Vietnam, the war between the states and the war between the Tates, it gave us the cold war, the missiles of October where the world was on the very edge of obliteration itself, I know, I was there in the military when the Defcon factor escalated to the point where I knew that even if my life was spared I may not come back to anything but a hole in the ground where my whole country used to be.

 

Is that the record you mean, the one that contains the dark ages, the purging, the hanging, the slicings and the dicings, the burning at the stakes, is that the record you refer two when you say the “last 1900 years Mr. cessation-ist?

 

Luther’s day and the days of John Wesley? Those the days of record to which you pertain?

The question is are we to believe the Bible fully, or partly man and partly Bible.

You say “Well, I believe this or that” It doesn’t matter what you believe, whatever you believe doesn’t change anything, you can believe that up is down but that doesn’t make down up. You can believe the Sun revolves around the earth, but that does not change physics. Really folks our beliefs change nothing, it may change the way we think or act, but it has no ability to change God. All we can do is affirm what is there already. I don’t “Believe Gods Word, I affirm Gods Word”, when you say you don’t believe in tongues or that tongues aren’t for today because people haven’t used them for 1900 years you are affirming mans record, not God’s Word.

 

Most cults seem to want to pick and choose, Sabbath days, meats, work, works, no this, no that, do this, do that and the list goes on and on in an endless succession, non-biblical proof texting of the Bible to try to uphold false religions that end up in no where land with no assurance of salvation at all, whittling on pieces of Bible text, cutting and slashing just to try to make it fit their false teaching.  

 

But we as supposedly Bible believing Christians don’t have that luxury because what we are supposed to be doing is affirming the Bible and that Gods Word is true and real.

 

You say “Well, I believe his word is true, but I don’t believe in super natural healing.” What kind of a deal is this? You are going by what you believe and leaving off the most important thing in your life which is to affirm Gods Word. So it matters not what you believe as to reality, but it does matter what you affirm.  God says it and we can only affirm it. So what God says we affirm and do, or we disobey and do one or the other, there can be no in-betweens, you either affirm it or you don’t.

 

So John is just affirming Jesus and what he will do, he said I baptize with water, but there is coming one who baptizes with the Holy Ghost and with fire. He is not making a proclamation, he is making an affirmation.

 

So you say “I believe when we get saved we get baptized in the Holy Ghost” It don’t matter, read my lips, it don’t matter what you believe, but it does matter as to what you affirm and you had better believe that!

Jesus gave pretty good indication when they accused him of casting out devils by the devils own power that he wasn’t going to play their games with what they believed. His reality was real and it carried weight and it still carries that very same weight of reality today.

 

He told them that if they didn’t believe him to affirm his works, he was saying in effect “You can at least do that can’t you?”

 

So I don’t know about the last 1900 years, all I know is Gods Word is real and it carries weight and reality.

 

I think half the time we think like this “The world don’t believe God so God has got a huge problem, well, God don’t have any problems, it’s the world that has got a huge problem. So you either affirm that the Word of God is true or you deny it by failing to affirm, denial by default. That is why when you see a child being murdered but do nothing you are guilty of that murder by default. Same principle, in refusing to affirm the laws of the land you have broken the laws of the land by default.

And when you refuse to affirm the Word you deny it by default.

Now then, before the day of Pentecost Jesus gave command for them to wait right there in Jerusalem, don’t go past go do not collect 200.00, just wait right there and they waited in Jerusalem and God carried out his word that John had affirmed and baptized with the Holy Ghost and with fire and they all spoke with tongues, all 120 of them, every one of them who waited as per his command, God has always carries out his word. That is what they were waiting for, the Baptism in the Holy Ghost and the fire.

 

So the baptism in the Holy Ghost was a command, not an option, you say speaking in tongues is for some and not others, God is not a respecter of persons. I’ll take a side order of fries with that. Oops, sorry this is not a restaurant, Mc Donalds is just down the road a piece.-->

 

God had and has reasons for baptizing in the Holy Ghost and with fire.

Look at this scriptureActs 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

 

You say “But not all people who is baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire speaks with tongues. OK, just give me the Word, I don’t want to hear anything but the Word, just give me one instance where they did not speak with tongues when baptized in the Holy Ghost, just one, I don’t want to hear you theories or the last 1900 years or your stories all I want to hear is what the Bible speaks, either affirm or deny. There is no in between. Fish or cut bait. Well?

 

Here is what the Bible really says Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

For they heard them speak with tongues, the day of Pentecost is come and gone.

 

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

What came upon them? And they did what?

 

Ok, Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Has what? “Come upon you” and “Came on them and they spoke with tongues.

 

“Well, you Pentecostals are always pushing the book of acts!”

 

Well, at first you wanted to go by the record, now you don’t, make up your feeble mind.”

 

Corinthians I 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Corinthians I 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.

You say “See there it says “Do all speak with tongues?” And there’s even a better way. Got you!” well, no you don’t, you are out of context, Paul is teaching on the Spiritual gifts and speaking of the gift of tongues and interpretations so you don’t have me on anything.

 

You say “Well, can there be a difference?” Well, yes there can and there is, in tongues and interpretations God is speaking to the people, In prayer in tongues you are speaking to god. God is making an announcement, you are making a request, big Diff there son.

 

What were they doing here? Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

Read the account of Philip as he preached and then take in the account of (Acts 8:15 KJV)  Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

 

(Acts 8:16 KJV)  (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

 

 Read me (Acts 8:17 KJV)  Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

And then tell me you receive the Baptism in the Holy Ghost the minute Jesus saves you.

You may receive it at the same time you believe and are born again, it happens to some, but not nearly all, in fact I would say that it happens very seldom. It generally follows belief and regeneration, the only thing that comes close to indicating that you may speak with tongues is the case of Cornelius’s bunch for it says the Holy Ghost fell on them as they heard the word. That leaves most of you out though because “For they heard them speak with tongues.

 

How in the world would you or any body else know if you have been baptized in the Holy Ghost if you didn’t speak with tongues? Huh? You say “Well, we just have to go by the Word!” Well, the word says that they spoke with tongues when they received the Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire, first you want to quote the word then you don’t, make up your mind as to how we are going to do it.

 

Folks spend more time finding out how they can deny the Word and get around the Word to justify themselves and their own lack rather than just affirm the Word and go on with their lives. Jesus said to at least affirm the works, but you don’t want to do that, when folks speak with tongues you want to accuse of them being bound by the demons and the devils, what is the difference between you and those Jesus rebuked for at least not believing his works since tongues are the works of God. Huh? Now order! Order in this court, present your evidence to this court!

 

Corinthians I 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Corinthians I 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

 

You who have not been baptized in the Holy Ghost and fire with evidence say you pray with the Spirit. Give me an answer or quit claiming you pray with the Spirit.

 

My question before the court your honor: If you pray with the Spirit without speaking with tongues, then why is the man saying Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Come now you can surly give me an answer, why wouldn’t anybody that knows your own language not be able to understand what you are saying?

 

Does he all of a sudden lose command of English just because you pray?

You glibly claim you pray with the Spirit and the understanding just as Paul and you sir are incorrect and have no evidence. What you pray with well may be the heart in earnest prayer, but unless you are praying in tongues you are still in all cases praying only with the understanding and if you pray aloud I can understand you unless it is in German or some other unfamiliar language.

 

And the excuse that people heard them glorifying God in their own language at Pentecost and therefore is must be in some understandable language to some one some where at one time or other does not wash.

 

Corinthians I 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

 

Corinthians I 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

I submit to you sir that some of these at Pentecost were prophesying.

 

Have you waited before God for the command and the promise Sir Christian? No? Well then why aren’t you?

 

Affirm his Word or deny it by default.

 

 

 

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