Sherlock Holmes Style Search For the Historical Jesus


There was an account of a Yeshu ha-"Notzri" (i.e. "of a shoot" /from a Notzrim-Messianic Movement) & He lived around 100 BCE)
{This word Notzri is probably why he's confused with being a "Natzarati" (person of Nazareth) which place didn't even exist until 100Ad, but the Greeks scribes probably confused over the term along with the term Nazarene steming from the word Nazarei=i.e. Guardian}. Yeshu's father was known as Pandera (Gk - "Panderos").
This young man, Yeshu, was the son of Miriam Stada (thus he was also known as ben Stada)-perhaps because she was not married.
Remember, Joseph was definitely not the father (Matt 1:19) and neither was God as in myths, so here we see who was the actual father, which is why the Church didn't want anyone knowing this, because it would not fulfill the prophecy of Davidic lineage and in the OT it's said in Deuteronomy 23:2
"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD."
Obviously the truth would make it hard if not impossible for the Church to push their false prophet.
Yeshu gathered to him many followers for a time, and practiced various Kabbalistic methods as well as Egyptian magic. He made a name for himself after separating himself from the Sages, and especially his teacher, Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachya.
*Note in the Jesus myth, he was a disciple of his teacher John before stealing John's following much like this mentor story.*
All the information that mentions him are based on the Tosefta and the Baraitas with writings made at the same time as the Mishna, as well as a few historian references which I place on my footnotes seen at the bottom of this page. - The small amount of information contained in the Baraitas is as follows:
Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah once repelled Yeshu with both hands. People believed that Yeshu was a sorcerer and they considered him to be the individual who led the Jews astray. As a result of charges brought against him (the details of which are not known), Yeshu was stoned and his body hung up on the eve of Passover (in accordance with the Talmud Sanhedrin 43a).
(This Matches Christian accounts in Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29 & 1 Peter 2:24, and the time by it's holiday mentioned in Matt and John)
Matching the 40 day account in the wilderness story, the true account was that he was paraded around for forty days with a herald going in front of him announcing that he would be stoned and calling for people to come forward to plead for him. Nothing was brought forward in his favor, however.
Yeshu had five known disciples, two of which hold the same names as Jesus's disciples: Mattai (Matthew) and Todah (Thaddaeus). *Note 12 disciples comes from Mithra myths and the Council of Lucifer*
More of the biblical characters associated with Jesus, can be found in that same particular era via the scrolls; Now this solves a little puzzle and issue I had with the time of Jesus because I suspected it being a century before the mythical persona once I read the scrolls. One reason is because around 100 BC there were many of the same characters all relating to each other's accounts.

The Dead Sea Scrolls had revealed to me some puzzling finds and my instinct was finally paid off when discovering the following:
"John" Hyrcanus 1 (John ben Simon) was described in 4 Q339 on a list of False prophets as a High priest around 104-130 BC and opposed by the Pharisees.
His son Jannaeus (who sent the Pharisee to the cross) had a wife named Salome, who was a follower of Yeshu and was also related to him, so this places a connection with Yeshu, Salome (in Mark)and her son John (HyrcanusII grandson of Hyrcanus I).

More proof is found in the story of the WIDOW'S MITES OF MARK:12-41 in which this mite coin was a Jannaeus Coin not a Herod or Post Herod coin which would have been used in the supposed Jesus era.

Another Figure around that time was an Essene Prophet named Judas, who was a teacher in Jerusalem who foretold the future also somehow connected to John. Josephus (War 1:3,5) accounts Judas as an accurate prophet.
This might be the same persona as Rabbi Yehuda (Judas) ben Tabbai who's accounts and legend seem to be often confused with Yeshu's.

Most interesting and evident is his similarity to the Judas accounts weeping and feeling guilty over sending Jesus to his death which seem to be borrowed from the Rabbi's historical accounts.
Yehudah ben Tabbai had a Witness killed, who conspired to testify falsely. Yehuda did this to show the Tziddukim they were wrong regarding a law, but made a mistake himself, which Shimon ben Shetach pointed out. He thus spent his life crying at the grave of his victim for forgiveness: Makkot 5b.

Josephus also accounts of another important John in history, "the Essene", coming into the scene much later around 4 bc-6ce and was a not a prophet, but a strategos who fell to battle, much like "Yehuda of Galilee" mentioned in that era who also fell (was crucified in 6BC) in his Revolt with Rome. Most likely that John is part of the Yehuda of Galilee story that is in the Jesus of Capernaum accounts explaining why there is a mixed account of who is at fault for Jesus death. This mixed accountability and blame occurs because Yeshu was put to death by his tribe while the Christ of Galilee a century later was crucified by Romans during his revolt.
You have at least 2 characters making the image of a man called Jesus, so both accounts are mixing the blame.

More proof of this converging account is that Herod the great reigned & existed 37-4 BC, before the Jesus era. The story of Herod could be an error due to an assumption or through manipulation, because the legend claims that when the Hasmonean king Yannai (Jannaeus Alexander) was killing the Pharisees, Rabbi Yehoshua the mentor and Yeshu the student fled to Egypt, probably where he started the Egyptian sorcery. It's possible that since the compiled figures were used, then the early Christians which believed Jesus had lived in the A.D. era through Yehuda of galilee accounts would have confused the evil king Jannaeus with Herod who was closer to the claimed Jesus era and was more in line with that christ of Galilee who is mentioned as being crucified during the census (6 C.E.)and would more likely fit in the time line of the Herod stories with his reign being 37-4BC.
Note: Jesus was supposed to be not more than two years old when Herod ordered the slaughter of the innocents. Thus they redated the birth to aprox 6BC to fit him in the time line. Smooth eh?
But who could be the wicked priest mentioned in the scrolls?
How did Mithra get entangled in the compiled image of Jesus?
One possibility of INFLUENCE of Mithraism was a Roman Priest Lucius Agrius, at least this explains the difference between the Roman Christianity and it's sects you see today and the original Netzarim, the Messianic Christians who were slained and wiped out by the Romans and had failed to fulfill their master as a viable prophet or Messiah.
Lucius Agrius (ca.107bce-41bce) Roman soldier and Mithrasic High Priest (ca.67bce- 41bce) "Among these soldiers was a strong and mighty warrior, whose personality drew many of the Cilicians to him. He was a holy man, and was therefore sought after as a man of wisdom. He led the Cilicians in Prayer at dawn, and again at mid-day and at dusk, never failing to praise his God, Whom he called Mithras."
- from "The Conversion of Lucius Agrius", paragraph 2, written ca.67bce. Lucius Agrius was a soldier in Pompey's army and became the first Roman to serve Mithras, converted by Cilician immigrants to Italy after their defeat by Pompey's army. Lucius Agrius served as the first Roman High Priest, and his book is included in the Mithrasic Canon of Scripture. The Christian Church today is an exact replica of these Mystery Babylon myths and rituals and traditions.
Much of what one finds in Rome can be traced back to the Babylonian Mysteries; the holy water, the keys of the Pope, the fables of Mary, the clothing and images, the statues which shed tears or winked, the rosary, the sacred heart, the lamps and candles, the wafer, the priests and nuns, and the Pontifex-Maximus, the festivals, feasts, rituals and dates, Easter & the Mystery of the Egg, Virgin Birth, Resurrection, symbols, etc.
Thus the warning in Rev about this Mystery Babylon Harlot.... Now why did the use of the word Harlot come to play in scripture? Because what's the opposite of claiming someone's a virgin?
(people are not gonna want to hear this because ,a href="http://www.vidavision.com/faith/hashev/freebook.html">unpopular truth hurts)
The early Christians were very aware of the name "ben Pandera" for Jesus. The pagan philosopher Celsus, who was famous for his arguments against Christianity, claimed (178 CE) that he had heard from a Jew that his mother Mary, had been divorced by her husband, a carpenter, after it had been proved that she was an adulteress. She wandered about in shame and bore Jesus in secret. His real father was a soldier named Pantheras. According to the Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) had claimed that "Panther" was the nickname for Jacob, the father of Joseph, the stepfather of Jesus.
By his other name; The other figure mentioned by the Talmud is Yeshu "Ben-Stada" (son of Stada). All the information we have on ben Stada (also known as ben Sotera or ben Sotira) comes from the same source. Various beliefs surrounded ben Stada - some claiming he was a madman, others claiming he was a spell- master, and some claiming he was a beguiler. This Yeshu was the illegitimate son of a woman (Miriam ("Mary") bat Bilgah) who committed ADULTERY with a Roman soldier. The name "Stada" in Aramaic comes from "Sta Da" - "she deviated." This matches the other stories....
So these Two Figures are really the same One with just different reference names which happens with passed down stories.
Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Thus, Yeshu ben Stada was also Yeshu ben Pandera. There is no contradiction since the word "Stada" is not an explicit person but a description of the woman, Miriam.
Jesus is commonly referred to in the Talmud by the expressions "ben Stada" and "ben Pandera," however, in the Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d), the full name is given as Yeshu ben Pandera; and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, the full name is given as Yeshu ben Pantera. Further, the Yeshu who was hanged on the eve of Passover (Sanhedrin 43a) is also called ben Stada (Sanhedrin 67a). It is evident that, in both these places, the same person is spoken of.
Here these two passages may be considered conclusive, since they repeat each other using similar language, and in a section of the text which is chiefly concerned about Jesus. The mother of Ben Pandera is said to be Miriam, the woman's hairdresser. This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta, where this Mary, the woman's hair-dresser, is said to have lived in the Second Temple period, when she was the mother of a "certain person."
Yeshu began to be known as Hanotzri (the Nazarene) and was a rather charismatic fellow who's demise was by a stoning and then a hanging from a tree (similar to book of acts accounts mentioned earlier).
His followers were not willing to give up his mildly sectarian teachings. He was their very important martyred "tzaddik," whose teachings were orally transmitted from generation to generation among certain pietistic ascetic-leaning Jews.
This merely was a cult with no bases for placing high it's leader especially since the bible forbids such veneration. It is entirely possible, therefore, that the historical Jesus was based on these two figures mentioned in the Talmud and other figures and cults a century later. It is possible that these figures were well known among the early Xians and they decided to combine the many accounts and change the story in order to attribute qualities to the savior they so longed for as in converging the messianic cults and many cultures beliefs into one rleigious order through one created image of a man they can use as a deity. More likely the stories changed as they passed along by person to person and time going by. Like the old, 'pass the story down the line game', where the story changes just two minutes later at the end of the line, so imagine decades & centuries later?
The Talmud relates that this Yeshu incited many Jews to deviate from Judaism and was therefore put to death for doing so. This is matched almost exactly and noted in the Moses Apocryphon" 4 Q375 scroll about the false prophet who speaks defection in their midst, turning them away from God, being put to death by his tribe as the one who isn?t put to death will be the true anointed one. Now, we have the hebrew name as others have always claimed it to be, the actions, the accounts with many witness testimonies not just one. The exact kind of persecution and date on the holiday, exact mother similar carpentar story and real father being a soldier story was always hinted to but never discussed because the Virgin story overided anyone daring to assume differently.
By Placing the mother a Virgin it served many purposes.
1) to claim to be High and Mighty and Holy
2)Bring other cultures which had one
3)To Have supernatural and powerful deities
4)To cover up the fact so that people won't say how can he be, if his mom was a .....
Thus this is why the deception and thus is why the term Harlot in the book of Revelation is a CLUE to more than just the church's involvments with the many kingdoms.
Something just doesn't add up......Like the time lines and characters all blend and converge, revealing that stories passed along the ages, reflect assumptions and mistaken identities while mixing who said and did what or that there was a compiling of cults and beliefs to unify into one image.
More to be added later......

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    Sources for these historical accounts: Dr. Franz Hartman - & Gerald Massey's Lectures Originally published in a private edition c. 1900 According to the Babylonian Gemara to the Mishna of Tract "Shabbath," this Yeshu, the son of Pandira and Stada, was stoned to death as a wizard, in the city of Lud, or Lydda, Jesus ben Stada (also known as ben Pandera) was placed in the time period of about 90 B.C. in Lydda, a town Peter is said to have visited in ACTS. interestingly the early church father Epiphanius around 400 said Pandera was the grandfather of Jesus. (Panarioun heresy 78.7) sourcesfor the history of (Yeshu) Jesus: philosopher Celsus (178 CE) Christian writer Epiphanius (c.320-403 CE), the Christian apologist Origen (c.185-254 CE) Within the Talmud Shabbos 104, the gemara explicitly discusses the mother being Stada and the father being Pandera. Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d) and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, and (Sanhedrin 43a & 67a). This story is further expanded upon in the Tosefta and Baraitas.
    Some historical info used for this page and conclusions were derived from reading Geza Vermes;
    "Dead Sea Scrolls in English" which utilizes Josephus' historical accounts as well as the scrolls.