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JUNG OR JESUS ? Part One

Shall we save our kundalini for our brains or go back to the primordial womb?

Compilation and commentary by Nicola Molloy

Both Jung and Jesus pointed a way to enter the spirit worlds. Jung going down to the underworld and Jesus going up to heaven. They both had revolutionary ideas in their time. Though they were completely opposite in how they believed we should live. Jesus advised people to love one another and turn the other cheek if one was struck and offer the other one. Now for testosterone fueled rugged men of that time around 30 AD, this was possibly a first on the planet. Unless one counted Buddha, but his ideal was to sit contemplating one's navel. Jesus advised a person to forgive their enemies, which too was in stark contrast to the traditional eye for an eye mentality around at that time of many races. He said to accept everyone as your equal and do away with the striving for earthly power and seek the Kingdom of Heaven. He said that a rich man would find it hard to enter heaven and to be humble and the servant to all. To be kind to everyone.

Jesus also said not to be ruled by the control of your family, but to be independent to do what you know is right. This too was radical thinking as family tradition was often foremost in what one would be expected to do. However for the last 2000 years some principles Jesus laid down have been adhered to, though most has been a little distorted in that people have said they follow Him, but follow a man made set of beliefs. Esp. by those who hold a gun in one hand, a flag in the other and say only their race/denomination will greet Jesus when He returns. As well, people, esp. Protestants, pagans, and Jews have been slaughtered by so called Christians, but Jesus never indicated to do this. There are said to be up to 2 billion people who claim to be Christians and His life and words have been the most powerful influence so far on the planet.

What's the alternative? What if Jesus had never been born? Carl Jung takes us back to the days before Jesus by personally awakening ancient pagan gods, lost in the mist of time. Did they really exist? I studied Greek and Roman history at Massey University and was astounded at how bloodthirsty the human race was before Jesus' time. Many men behaved in a very unrefined manner, if they were bored sometimes they just invaded another country for something to do. Civilized reason had not been developed, as it is today through education and books. Utter destruction often ruled man then, as multiple ruins of the ravages of war remain to testify. Living without books, if mankind is left to its own instincts to learn, it can be very down to earth as in the time of Jesus. Did Jesus bring reason to mankind? After all, if everyone is equal as Jesus told people, why kill just for the sake of treasure or land, when Heaven waits with better treasure? This reasoning did catch on eventually with the establishment of Christianity. This innate tendency to violence and also promiscuity was eventually suppressed by many over the centuries thanks to a new set of rules Jesus gave, peaking during the Victorian times that Jung lived in while young. If Jesus’ words hadn't toned down the primal urges to kill for survival and to mate frequently to increase the tribe, how would the world have been?

Look at how cruel the Romans were, they crucified about 10,000 according to one source. They prayed to entities that required blood sacrifice and called down spirits to tell them what to do in oracles. Superstition was strong. The Romans killed about 2 million in Israel in about 70 AD after Jesus died, but the whole of the Roman Empire and Middle East is littered with the bones of many killed in wars. Early Christians were thrown to the lions and also set on fire. Christianity was born in rivers of blood; now this instinctive urge to kill (and progressing to now kill oneself) appears in Islam. Look at how obedient they are when the threat of losing one's hand or foot, or being stoned is an incentive. Did Moses' Ten Commandments act in the same way to bring order to the unruly golden calf worshiping twelve tribes of Israel? When the subjects of the Roman Empire did follow Christianity, they became absorbed in books, religious life, calligraphy and music and became subdued, especially when celibacy was strong though the beast escaped now and then with despot kings, rulers and popes. There is a passage written by Paul in Galatians 4:1-5

"This is what I mean: so long as the heir is a minor, he is no better off than a slave, even though the whole estate is his; he is under guardians and trustees until the date fixed by his father. During our minority we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe, but when the term was completed, God sent His own Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to purchase freedom for the subjects of the law, in order that we might attain the status of sons."

Paul was referring to the Jews formerly being a chosen race, but now since Jesus came we all became equal. But were we all minors in evolutionary development, but fell under the influence of the fallen angels and needed a helping hand to get back on track? Why was Jesus casting out demons, and sending the apostles to do the same? Are these the same inner demons plaguing people today, being worked through the system by counsellors? Have they come back? The last 30 years has seem crime accelerate.

Jung looked at Christians and thought self control is BAD, BAD, BAD. He claimed that people got sick and had mental problems if they stopped up the libido. He said primal instincts should be unstoppable and this would give people enormous power, and become gods as ancestral power filled the veins. Jung said this power would enable him to be strong in the Land of the Dead/the Underworld, where the pagan gods lived. One will not have to obey anyone; one will become a god and link with other pagan gods and answer to nobody but himself or herself, putting one's individuality foremost, then passion second. No thinking, just being and gratifying one's desires. This was revolutionary during Victorian times when any kind of immorality was forbidden.

Jesus, in contrast said seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and everything else would be added unto you. Christians taught self-control of lower nature in order to enter heaven when they died, otherwise there would be no reason to be good. Jesus proved there was a heaven because He died and after 3 days rose again, and then ascended to heaven in full view of the public. This one act proved the immortality of the soul and proved there was more than what the 5 senses could perceive. It showed we were born to prepare for His return and should all be cleansed and pure in anticipation. This was a seemingly impossible plan to live up to, but the rivers of blood subsided and from about 1000 Christians in 40 AD, the ranks swelled to about 34 million in 350 AD or 56.5 of the population of the Roman Empire, after the Emperor Constantine converted and made it the official religion. A supernatural sign of the cross appeared to him in the sky and this changed the course of history.

Jesus' advice to care for the sick and not kill others increased the ranks of Christians, when during plagues charity work was done and the old custom of infanticide and abortion were banned, so this in turn produced more children of Christians. The Romans just used to leave unwanted children out to die; such was the savage world then. Yet Jung wanted us to return to the world of the primitive, where spirits are invoked, eugenics practiced to revive the Aryan race and polygamy restored. Unfortunately this ideal never took root fully at the time until Hitler restored it in part, but was beaten. Now people's morals are more loosened in the western world again, however most people do their own thinking rather than consult spirits and oracles to decide a course of action. Though a minute percentage of the western do now crave psychically derived information for guidance, but per head of population education and business rules, and people work and get their knowledge from books and TV, and make their own life decisions, based on opportunity and money.

However, Jesus encouraged people to think for themselves and not follow the racial inclinations to try and have more power over the next race. While it seems He inclined people to look heavenwards for reward, one only has to spend time helping those in need to get their feet back on the ground. This is also an outlet for the primal instincts to be diverted into other channels and refine the feelings and thoughts. Being ruled by the senses won't actually give one real freedom, it may give an emotional outlet, but the mind is still bound. Once the mind knows no bounds then nobody can take that away. It would seem the level of your freedom increases or decreases according to what direction you are headed. (Whether the underworld or heaven.) Each time you refuse to give in to temptation I would expect you become stronger. If temptation rules you, you will be a slave to it. If you reach out to people besides your family as your brother and sister, this can be very freeing and without expectation. Jung did not give his teachings to produce freedom; he tried to develop satisfaction of the senses, enslavement to one's race and to create a link to past mythological states of being, whether historical or symbolic.

Looking more closely at Jung, why has he been such a massive influence still today? Many of his books are in the libraries and bookshops. What is it about him that people are attracted to?

Jung wrote:

It is indeed no edifying spectacle to see how quickly Yahweh abandons his faithful servant to the evil spirits and lets him fall without compunction or pity into the abyss of physical and moral suffering. From the human point of view Yahweh's behavior is so revolting that one has to ask oneself whether there is not a deeper motive hidden behind it. Has Yahweh some secret resistance against Job? That would explain his yielding to Satan? What does man possess that God does not have? Because of his littleness, puniness, and defenseless against the Almighty, he possesses, as we have already suggested, a somewhat keener consciousness based on self-reflection: he must in order to survive, always be mindful of his impotence. God has no need of this circumspection, for nowhere does he come up against an insuperable obstacle that would force him to reflect on himself. Could a suspicion have grown up in God that man possesses an infinitely small yet more concentrated light than, he Yahweh possesses? A jealously of that kind might perhaps explain his behavior....One must bear in mind here the dark deed that follows one another in quick succession: robbery, murder, bodily injury with premeditation, and denial of a fair trial. This is further exacerbated by the fact that Yahweh displays no compunction, remorse, or compassion, but only ruthless and brutality. The plea of unconsciousness is invalid; seeing that he flagrantly violates at least 3 of the commandments he himself gave out on Mount Sinai. (Jung as cited by Campbell, 1996, pp.538-539.)

Jung developed a belief system that implies how we perceive others are what we embody unconsciously. Jung experienced his own Creator as a powerless fool, at the mercy of Satan who deceived Him by showing God how easily people can fall and He can't do a thing about it. Jung continues saying "God does not want to be just; he merely flaunts might over right". (As cited by Campbell, 1996 pp.541) Was Jung actually describing himself? It is said by some that how we perceive God, is how we experience our own father while young. Jung's father was weak and powerless.

In short Jung's system of beliefs included:

* Childhood experiences are less important than the present state.

* Dreams and fantasies could be categorized into symbols. While discussing the symbols a person's emotional reaction to them may bring unconscious stuff to the conscious mind.

* Symbolism was archetypal from myth, folklore and religion. Enormous complexities of human experience can fit into simple categories.

* Using active imagination to explore symbolism emerging from the unconscious in creative ways.

* Balancing of opposites. If two opposites are given equal exposure, a third state emerges which represents a new healthy attitude. This is called the transcendent function.

* Concentrate on oneself foremost, with relationships to others second. One can only relate to others after one can relate to oneself. (Berry, 2000)




Jesus' teachings ran to 87 pages just from His own words, so I've picked out the main ones leaving out the prophecies for the future, accounts of healing, the history of the Old Testament and stories. However all the 4 gospel accounts repeat these particular words that Jesus said.

* Repent of your sins.

* The poor have a place in heaven.

* Those who desire to be righteous shall be rewarded by God.

* Those who are merciful shall be given mercy.

* The pure in heart shall see God.

* Those who have been persecuted for righteousness sake shall enter heaven.

* Reconcile with your brother before offering gifts at the alter.

* Don't rub people up the wrong way lest you be sent to prison.

* Do not commit adultery.

* Let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything else is of the devil.

* Don't resist him who is committing evil upon you.

* If someone steals your coat, also give him your cloak.

* Don't blow your own trumpet about your good deeds.

* God will provide everything if you ask.

* The man who stays firm to Jesus' laws to the end will be rewarded.

* Jesus came to set man against his family, if they block him from following the truth.

* A man's foes will be those of his own household.

* Everyone who follows God's Will is your true brother and sister.

* If a person helps another even with a cup of water they will be rewarded in heaven.

* Whatever is bound on earth will be bound in heaven.

* It is not what you eat that will poison the body, as that passes, but what you say that will poison the body, because what you say comes out of the heart, and these can come forth: evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, immorality, thefts, lies and blasphemies.

* You must be like a little child to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

* Whoever humbles themselves like a little child, is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.

* Be gentle and lowly in heart and you will find rest in your soul.

* Whoever exalts themselves will be humbled and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

* All authority on heaven and earth has been given to Jesus to forgive sins.






To some psychology buffs Jung was a pioneer in analyzing what makes us tick - a light relief where all weird and wonderful internal experiences are neatly cataloged into a set of simple archetypal figures that can sum up life into opposites, that require balancing, rather like Buddhism does. Male-female, dark-light, positive-negative. In contrast to the dark hellish tormented truths which rear their ugly heads from the mire of our subconscious past, as Freud unpeeled the layers, Jung gave hope that there was more to us than endless psychosis and unsatisfied primal urges.

But instead did we really escape from the need to conquer Freud's childhood torments to be thrust into a false world, away from the primordial insecurities and into an illusory light that is artificial -- where nothing is ever real or what it is supposed to be? It's one thing concentrating on negative feelings and becoming obsessed with the dark side, but truly to call evil good is deception at its finest. Has Jung caused sane people to look for parts of themselves that may not even exist and incorporate delusional phantoms? To accept these as seeing themselves in others, all in a godless merry go round of endlessly finding balance between the male and female, along with other archetypal roles. Did Jung lead us onto an overhanging cliff, (for some people, who don't already have a good grounding in reality) to drop down into a sea of madness instead? Just following urges to have a relationship with another person and therefore incorporate their symbolic representation in yourself, might really make one feel complete and whole -- but artificially. To Jung there was no right or wrong, there were no normal traditional moral values of loyalty, faithfulness and self-control. It was, if feels right do it.

There are many Jungian books written as if his word is gospel, but where did he get the knowledge to say something happens to us in real life, as part of normal human evolution? Even after he died he was still portrayed flatteringly. His book Memories, Dreams and Reflections had parts written by him in the first person by his assistant and written to perpetuate an image of him preferred by his family and disciples, where his worst side was removed. (Noll, 1997)

Jung was born in 1875 and died in 1961 in Switzerland. Eugen Bohler, a Swiss scholar who knew Jung intimately from 1955 said, "he spoke of his mission: to serve the function of making God conscious. He had to make God conscious, and not for our own sake but for the sake of God." (Noll, 1997, pp.xiv, xv)

Richard Noll in his book The Aryan Christ wrote that as an individual, Jung ranks with the Roman emperor Julien the Apostate (4th cent) as one who significantly undermined orthodox Christianity and brought all the polytheism of the Greeks into the western world. His mixture of multiple pagan beliefs rolled up into a tidy package still works its way into the teaching of Protestants, Catholics and Jews along with other areas of postmodern psychology. Jung professed Christianity but practiced paganism and looked upon Christianity as his enemy and the enemy of life itself. Jung was really an actor expressing himself in a world he justified for his unfaithful needs. Virtually anything told to him from the spiritual world, (as he tapped into it as a psychic) could be incorporated into his system of truth -- indiscriminately.

Jung's German paternal grandfather changed from Catholic to Protestant pastor and followed Pietism. Pietists had ecstatic experiences where they were supposedly filled with the fire of the Holy Spirit and claimed the heart must burn, as an experience of Christ within us, not Christ for us. This became part of German nationalism. As Noll writes the "internalized Kingdom of Heaven" became identical with the spiritual soil of the German Teutonic ancestors. The mythic German hero Siegfried is compared with Christ, equating pagan and Christian saviors. Reaching the German god's kingdom was reaching Christ's Kingdom; it was called rebirth or regeneration. However, it was completely pagan. After a spell in jail Jung's grandfather became an exile and moved to Switzerland where he became a Freemason and the esoteric goal was to find the Holy Grail. The Swiss Freemason Lodges weren't closed down in the purges of the late 1780s, so German Illuminist and Rosicrucian Freemasons found them a haven according to Noll. (Noll, 1997)

Goethe, the German Freemason mystic was a contemporary of Jung's grandfather. Goethe worked his way through the Freemason rituals but became disillusioned. He wrote a book called in English, 'The Mysteries' and both grandfather and grandson Jung committed it to their hearts. It's full of symbolism regarding the Initiation quest. Goethe never finished the book, but published it anyway and it told of twelve knights surrounding a cross tightly wound with roses, each knight representing a different religion and nationality. This would encompass the entire range of human religious experience. One called Humanus in the tale had an Easter death and Brother Markus was reinstated after him as grand master of the Rosy Cross. (Noll, 1997)

Exactly 100 years after the publication of this book Jung spoke before his own disciples about the self-deification process, (in particular the acceptance of his own deification) at the founding of the Psychological Club and about theories received from his own visions and spiritual encounters with his own spiritual master called Philemon. He spoke about the Rosicrucian brotherhood in Goethe's fantasy and invoked the ancestral soul of Goethe and the German quest for the grail. During the talk there is reason to believe that Jung spoke of his grandfather being the illegitimate son of Goethe by an extramarital tryst of his great-grandmother. Jung's family, as well as strangers also mentioned this to him. (Noll ,1997)

Jung spoke in 1925 of "ancestor possession", in that certain hereditary units would take over one's actions, in that a leader in one's ancestors could spring into the consciousness genetically and make a normal man a leader. But of course biological genetics was yet to be scientifically understood at the time so this was basically guesswork. So Jung had an unproven reason to believe that Goethe's believed genius naturally radiated out of himself biologically. He became obsessed with Goethe's story ‘Faust’ about a man who sacrifices his intellect to invoke spirits by using magic and believed the book was a new religious insight and sacred text. Goethe was Jung's prophet and he sometimes dreamed that he actually was Goethe in a previous life. Jung also thought in his past lives, that he was the German Meister Eckhardt -- born in 1260, a Christian mystic whose writings implied pantheism, or more than one god. Jung believed himself to be the result of German genius, either through ancestral heritage or past lives. (Noll, 1997)

Jung placed himself above others in evolution. While he had some psychic ability he appeared to absorb all the information he got from the spiritual indiscriminately and his cousin, the daughter of his mother's brother, called Helene Preiswek, became Jung's medium. He encouraged her to channel various entities at seances to give him information for years. In 1895 he opened a door to discarnate voices and unknown entities, which he consulted for his truth. In his own case, visionary trance induction put Jung in touch with his ancestors, the spirits and gods of the Land of the Dead. These gave themselves various names and spoke psychological jargon to him his whole life. His "will to believe" was never lost. (Noll, 1997)

Jung himself had two distinct personalities, which he called no 1 and no 2. His mother also had two distinct personalities and when Jung was aged three his mother was hospitalized for nervous disability, in effect abandoning him. Jung's maternal grandfather, also a reverend, also spoke to spirits and had weekly seances to speak with his first wife. Jung's mother believed she had second sight and received messages from the dead. She was also a hysteric. His mother's mother also used to fall into trance and babble prophecies, and Jung's own daughter was a psychic. An old man spoke through his cousin Helene and gave Jung prophecies about himself. During this, she traveled out of her body astrally and the old man would report her activities while he occupied it. Jung also used an ouija board to obtain information. (Noll, 1997)

Jung kept detailed notes of Helene's mediumistic utterances, even though he knew full well that her utterances were spirits, he later wrote about her callously diagnosing her as a multiple personality for his psychiatry studies, after which her life was ruined. A man who was to marry Helene read it and changed his mind. She later died at thirty of a broken heart it was said, after falling in love with Jung. Could there be a non-Christian spirit world wondered Jung? And he believed there was more truth coming in from the spirit world, than from Christian teachings so he became disillusioned with Christianity. He read widely on spiritual and philosophy texts and filled his mind with Nietzsche, Darwin, Goethe and the Greek philosophers etc. He also studied mesmerism, psychical research, spiritualism and the existence of the human soul and its survival. (Noll, 1997)

However, Jung claimed the major influences on his beliefs about the spiritual world were those written by Kant and Schopenhauer and the latter claimed that visions of future events are allegorical or symbolic and that clairvoyant visions are more of a past reality, not proof of a living spiritual world. Schopenhauer also claimed that will operated independently of time and space and can affect others at a distance, not being dependent on the body. Strangely, in formal public statements, Jung adopted a psychological explanation for ghosts, visions and apparitions as only a part of human character being expressed, but in private he said the contrary, which was that people have allowed disembodied spirits to enter them and speak. After he absorbed all the ideas of other people about the spirit worlds, he had just enough scientific training to whiz it all around into a blended form, which supposedly sums up everything potentially in our character. (Noll, 1997)

At the turn of the 20th century cryptomnesia, (which is the power of hidden memory of things, which have already been learned) reappearing, as a personal memory was known. Jung's cousin made a well-known prophetess speak in her mediumistic trance, after she read a book Jung lent her on the particular woman. However, Jung denied clear cases of cryptomnesia because it threatened his most central theory about multiple personalities, which clashed with the knowledge that his cousin had entities controlling her. Furthermore she could have invented a few spirits as well to keep him coming for more data as she apparently secretly fell in love with him. So rather than be honest and say that multiple personality disorder might be due to multiple causes e.g. spirits, cryptomnesia or even deliberate invention by the patient he preferred the guesswork in scientific diagnosis of personality disorder which secured his job at the asylum. (Noll, 1997)

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