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FANTAIL FIRE TALK PAGE TWO..COMING SOON ANOTHER ARENA RENDERING....
HERE YOU WILL SEE A PICTORIAL OF "ATTITUDE" by BOB VINCENT,and, TEXT EXPLANTION by POLLY/VINCENT
The birds have the answers; We expect that the breeding pen is where the bottom line lies?
The 'pieces analogy' applies to our present attempt to access a meat & feather production?
The ability to SELECT properly, to understand 'Prepotency' and the equations required can easily explaine ones ability to produce meat and feather, as so far, depicted in the 'Futera 2000'!
The Ideal is something we want to strive for;Not, something we have already produced. Futura, means exactly that ... The Future...Fantail. We must endeavor to shoot for what ever we see in minds eye...WE should not rest on our Laurels.. but, forge ahead.and, as well, our young people..Ervin said it...Too the moon...
The Genepoole has several, very significant concerns; but, like everyone else; does LIKE the latest drawings! His concerns , are those of others, which will be addressed by the Board Chairman!
The Genepoole, however has concerns that are beyond the scope of the present drawings. IE No one is in a position to give a HYPOTESIS, and then substantiate it, with a scientific report. Because, we have documented only for outcrosses to make fantails in Rare colorations!
The fact that ERVIN is carrying this into the body and type requirements, is Phenominal. Just because we cannot back up what we are doing to the meat, does not justify our younger fanciers, or anybody else; to say "IT CANNOT BE DONE"
The Genepoole, will not step aside; but endeavor to create something which we can substantiate.We will either do it as a piece project, which we are doing; OR, we will do it showing how, the interdependence of the requirements, therefore, the dependence of the individual pieces to produce an effect, which, has NOT been seen in any other AVES PIGEON BREED TO DATE! (ERVIN STUDY)
The Genepoole has selected pieces from the genepool of several breeds, and selected, in this endeavor for some years.
I don't expect that anyone presently can say , exactly what they used, or how they POINT blended those pieces derived from meat & feather of other breeds. but, We can say, for, our own 'MINDS EYE", that we maybe have put the puzzle together, or closely, enough to realize; that it can be done.
But, we would ask, that fanciers at large, give us a bit more time to prepare , what has been asked? OR maybe we can just Show what can be done with: "PREPOTENCY AND SELECTION"! The, bottom line here is that we can take the pieces of genome and select or manipulate phenotypes with the statistical possibilities within the genepoole!This means, what ever we see in minds eye can be achieved; Even if we DO NOT see the requirements;We can see pieces from such breed crosses ! THE 'PIECES , at present, from other breeds; cannot be easily identified; still, we can select, through our own definetion , or identification Of these , said "PIECES; which when added together, in a very specific way{like the isulin molecule/which has chemical properties correct/still did not work when injected/Salk got the Nobel Peace Prize , because he got the molecule to work..by correcting the physical properties} This is parallel to ERVINS "ATTITUDE" THEORY, AND THE WORK OF LANCE CHRISTIENSON ON PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF MEAT AND FEATHER , WITHIN THE CONFINES OFANATOMY OF 'AVES" }(defined by the laws of genetics) We can produce the Arena Futura!!
It is here, that Jim Ervin would like to set to notes, and verify, maybe one requirement with Scientific type of proof.
Again, ERVIN, has placed this thought :A concern of Ervin's;that, the low body's that are produced from the Genepools' crosses(both for color & structure)are reversions to 'wild type'!That, said reversions, also have a horizontal plane of wild type; that legs do not lock in;as well are far more incorrect than those on fantail today in the smaller body size..
Now, then..:What is the next step, to put away such a concern, realized in the early crossing to Modena?And, yes there is also the concern as to how the "refiners will handle this new look..? Yes! But, it is the responsibility of the genepoole to NOT hand over the reversion genotypes for color or type; until the pieces we want are set in our Family; and the unlocked legs and horizontal line is corrected to fantail type Requirements! hence, the Forefathers saying: Use your best for such crosses! As well, I want to see the good ones, not some crossed thing, We don't know how to handle; nor, do we want too!Bottom line, Partner, They won't use them til they are there! This 'CONCERN is hereby nullified?
The second 'Concern', is that we cannot scientifically verify that OUR 'NEW TYPE' (ARENA RENDERING') can be produced! I can see, and understand, that if we are in the earlier stages of developement; that this would be a primary concern? And, we used to say:" it depends where we are in a Project? IE What we can presume later on , is, not presumable earlier on?
Still, until someone produces a 70 pointer, over the present 55 pointers(a quote from the Messiah) As well, there has been said to be some 70 pointers around? Still, until they are placed in the Show, with a bit of competition, a Judge; why then..We may be able to assume the Futera is possible; but, til we see it.. I wouldn't believe it either!
But, if there are those who would further challenge the ability for one to produce such fantails from color crosses; then we direct their attention, to the FOREFATHERS. And, be taking a look at the history of the developement of the Fantail fro m Hindi forward to date. Now, tell me! WE CANNOT DO IT!
To those who seek the answer, from a scientific standpoint;We cannot direct you! You see, this was done in a quest for coloration,...NOT type! It just happened...and, they had no such notes when the Germans developed the colors in them 'FIELD PIGEONS' The proof is in the Pudding! Which flavor do you like....?? MCK
Here's a thought, I might have know: Bottom line, ......At this point in my Life; at this point in my breeding programs, we think we might know more than what we are telling. IE IT is not the 40 plus years of breeding, selection, that makes us think we know more; it is the fact that we have made four modena infusions( and one more on the way) (the larktails and blond tails are separate 'enity's', at this point, but very interesting for the refined lines and head, wings etc. But, let us speak of fact one! No body has been able to locate a breed that might contribute to our General Requirements. The pieces, however, must be there to do anything they have done in the past 100 year(the forefatheres) I expect that, we expect to utilize pieces from the "FOUR" Modena infusions, and, in time, add the dainty refined characteristics of the Lark, which are wild type phenotype; which are clearly defined in the Fantail Standard. (refined, beak, cere, wattles, smallness: without loss of undercarriage!; which Undercarriage is NOT that of wild Type, nor are the Legs, that of wild type; nor do we want parallel to the ground, rather, perpendicular to the ground! )
It is then a Selection process, a family building Process...from the genepool at hand today, that will establish a genetic combination of the General requirements in the Fantail Standard. The dream, the reality, is nothing but all the pieces we want, with the discarding of those we DO NOT want(But, here is where, the greatest have , all but stopped their continued improvement/refinement; because, they maybe, discard pieces they DO NOT recognize??
It is our contention, That, we can take Fantails, pure, unadulterated, fantails and cross them to the several different families, which contain outcross blood, and, produce The FUTERA. You see, that is what is in mind's eye, always has been..and deeper pockets, peak crests, feathers on their feet, bad color are all part of the mix. Now, we will, also, use the same theory to produce recessive reds, whose color will be representative of a quality not seen in fantails, as well, any color or marking so desired! After all, Is this not how this all started? MCK To my Non friend: I definetly don't know any more, at this time: but, should I show, no amount of showmanship will put us under!
Shall we proceed to cut the color points of a white? There are no color points alloted to whites? T, F, +, or zero?
Will we have more breeders?
When will our "SMALL" fantails take the lead? Why Big fantails are OUT? CAN a Medium Fantail be picked over a small fantail? How small? How Big?
Simply, that the smallest possible fantail, with the closest to roundness appearance from "any angle"; as well, any & all the other Qualities defined by the General Requirements of the present STANDARD of PERFECTION!
This, conclusion is well within the confines of the present Standard. IE Medium shall be chosen over small dificient in other fantail qualities. IE. wing lines,body depth,rump setting, wing setting, leg setting,underbelly dimension;tail size;condition, which brings out the "ATTITUDE"(which, is a bull up type in premoult,after breeding, stress of disease/worms or any such , that proves stressful ) and, the ability to perform!
That, the working skeleton of Lance Christienson's is the actual proof, of a previous Hypothesis. IE HEALTH & WELL BEING, give a sense of ATTITUDE.This attitude creates a Balance that is second to none, and, we constantly watch in amazement.