Subj: Re: Ambot Oscar
Date: 97-10-26 10:59:42 EST
From: henrik@fsufreight.com
To: Exambot@aol.com (Exambot)
Hi Kelly,
Thanks for your suggestions. Yes, I think that would be a good idea, I
will
start collecting the most 'original amway drivel' and then perhaps we
can
have a vote, or perhaps better still ask an outside source, like a well
know
newspaper or something like to help us choose to 'best'. When you come
across some real good ones, please send me a copy of them. Perhaps by
Christmas we can make a decision and award one with an invitation to a
beach
where all we losers could serve him a drink and an ambot Oscar :-))
 

Subj: thoughts about the Amway business
Date: 97-10-27 03:11:53 EST
From: To: Exambot
If you go to a doctor who performed surgery on you and you found out
that the surgery was not
necessary, you conclude that the doctor performed it to make money or
made an honest mistake
or just didn't know what he or she was doing.
Would you then conclude that all doctors perform unnecessary
surgeries????
That concept applies to Amway distributors, too. Granted, there are
distributors who are not
building the business correctly, why are you condemning all
distributors? That sounds like a
form of discrimination and should not be allowed.
This world will be a nicer place to live in if people just learn to help
one another instead of hurt
one another.

Subj: September Responses
Date: 97-10-27 13:22:36 EST
From: arntzen@pacbell.net (Matthew Arntzen)
To: exambot@aol.com
Dear Exambot:
I enjoyed tremendously the information you put on your web site. I had
been
in Amwway/INA several years ago and was fortunate to have gotten out
before
it was too late and I spent more money on it than I had.
In the September Responses Part 2 you published two letters by a
"gentleman" that claimed to be 23 and had built a successful Diamondship
in
Amway after spending five years researching 10,000 opportunities as
well. I
attempted to write to him the following letter as he was so open with
leaving his e-mail address and specifically telling/asking you (see
QUOTE
below) to leave his e-mail address. How convenient - too bad that was a
lie
too.
QUOTE
Ps. Please include my address in the posted letter. I stand by my words
and am available for the response, good or bad, that they bring.
END QUOTE from his post script to his last letter. I am only responding
to
his first letter.
This letter was sent to his account and was subsequently rejected by his
mail server - there is no wwdbdmnd@MCIONE.com in their system. Please
note
also that I have not used an assumed name nor a cloaked e-mail address.
I
have nothing to hide. Does he?
I would ever so love it if you would publish this letter, in it's
entirety,
including my e-mail address so that perhaps this "gentleman" could then
read it. I realize it has a definite Christian slant and make no apology
for my spiritual beliefs.
QUOTE
To: wwdbdmnd@MCIONE.com
From: Matthew Arntzen
Subject: Amway
How could you have ever build a diamond business after spending first
FIVE
years of your life researching 10,000 "opportunities" to see which one
you
should pursue and then building a Diamond distributorship? To research
10,000 different opportunities would have required several years and
then
to have built a diamond business in Amway would have required at least
that
amount again. You could NOT have adequately spent the time researching
all
10,000 businesses before the age of 23, and building a successful
Diamond
distributorship in that same time period.
Either way it would be impossible to do what you did without MAJOR help
from someone outside yourself at your young age. It is a known fact that
very few people ever achieve the status of Diamond in the Amway business
(there are far too many statistics to back this claim and I won't bother
to
bore you with them) and I have known several diamonds that have left
because they were unable to maintain their businesses over a period of
years. Try it for ten years and see how well you do. IF you ARE a
Diamond.
You are still working at the business and will have to continue to do so
for the rest of your life to maintain the "lifestyle" you have chosen.
Ethically or unethically you will HAVE to work the Amway business the
rest
of your lives in order to maintain it. So is this any different than a
JOB?
Doubt it.
"Amway is an interesting business. Compared to other traditional
businesses, it requires very little investment in both time and money.
This
is an important distinction. Amway should not be compared to a job, for
it
is not one; it is not recreation, and cannot be considered such; it is a
business, that requires effort, money and time. I spent 5 years looking
at
over 10,000 different opportunities. These ranged from every type of
business available. I found that Amway, and specifically World Wide was
what I was interested in pursuing. For me, it has worked exceedingly
well.
As with anything though, different personalities and upbringings will be
attracted to different things. This does not make one good or bad, just
different."
Your quote above is very contradictory. You have said it requires very
little investment in time and money and then you went on to say that it
requires time and money. So your logic is very flawed. It does require
both
time and money and effort - so what is the distinction between it and a
JOB? Nothing. You are still required to put in many hours of time and
effort as well as money to maintain it. It is like any business - you
can
succeed - yes - but at a cost. There is ALWAYS a price to pay.
The odds that you would have ever made it ethically are too astounding
to
ever imagine. I don't claim to be a statistician nor a researcher on
these
matters, but after reading your letter you claimed to have written about
your Amway success and how ethically you ran it then something is very
wrong. People don't make that vast a sum of money "ethically" without
having done something to get there first (i.e. there is a spiritual
connection to everyone's wealth in this world.)
No one is allowed to maintain a lifestyle unless they have directly
bowed
down and worshiped the devil or have taken a stand for the One True God.
You never mentioned God in your letter, but the fact remains that NO ONE
will be allowed true success unless they have either given their
allegiance
to God or the devil. PERIOD. This includes any "success" in the Amway
business or any other business. This doesn't matter whether you operate
on
an ethical or unethical platform. Unless you are born again of God's
spirit
you will be serving the devil. And even THEN you could still be serving
the
devil if you choose not to follow God and His Word. 1 Timothy 6:6-10,
"But
godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into
this
world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and
raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall
into
temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which
drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the
root
of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the
faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
So...with that in mind, let God speak for Himself now: Romans 2:4,
"...not
knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" We know
then
that the goodness of God leads us to repentance. What God wants is:
Romans
10:9-10, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and
shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou
shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and
with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
I trust that your business IS based on godly principles. You sound as
though you have taken the high ground. But then again you never mention
the
one true God nor His son Jesus Christ in your letters. Therefore I can
only
assume that you have made your success by falling down and worshiping
the
devil: Matthew 4:8-10, "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding
high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the
glory
of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou
wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee
hence,
Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him
only
shalt thou serve."
If the above is true then I trust you will listen to God's Word and
confess
with your mouth the lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God rose
him
from the dead. This way, at least you will go to heaven when it's all
over
on this earth. I realize that money is a great motivator for someone as
young as yourself and that your lovely wife has now grown accustomed to
a
certain income on your part. But let me reassure you that the prosperity
of
God will far exceed anything that you could ever achieve through the
riches
of this world. Psalms 37:16-17, "A little that a righteous man hath is
better than the riches of many wicked. For the arms of the wicked shall
be
broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous." 3 John 1:2, "Beloved, I
wish
above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy
soul prospereth."
END QUOTE
God bless and best wishes on your continued success.
Matthew Arntzen

Subj: Amway / WWDB
Date: 97-10-27 19:03:39 EST
From: To: exambot@aol.com ('exambot@aol.com')
Thank you thank you thank you.
I was on the verge of joining World Wide DreamBuilders. The person
trying to sign me on suggested I research it before I join so I could
see just how great a company it was. Ironically, in my researching I
came across your web page. Reading the section that describes what one
should expect to hear really hit hard, as I had almost fallen for many
of the lines (ie. "We're not really Amway, we just use them as a
supplier" etc.). Thank you for your page, it has saved me a lot of
money, time, and frustration.......

Subj: Re: thoughts about the Amway business
Date: 97-10-28 03:12:47 EST
From: To: Exambot
Coincidence? I don't think so. People are people. There's nothing wrong
with the Amway
business. It's just like driving cars. Some people drive their cars
properly and are very careful
not to hit other cars but other people are careless and don't follow
rules. You still can't conclude
that all drivers are careless.
I heard that 98% of people in this country are broke or dead by 65 years
of age and only 2% are
financially free. Based on the same logic, nobody can conclude that all
people will be dead or
broke by age 65 even if that's the majority. There's still that 2%
that's different.
I hope that you will be more fair and not judge Amway distributors based
on some people's
mistakes. Nobody is perfect. The Amway business is still the best there
is. People just need to
learn to do the business properly. Have you read the Amway business
rules of conduct and the
business manual itself? This is a free country and it's free enterprise,
Amway cannot
discriminate against anyone so everybody interested in participating can
participate. Nobody
checks their honesty and integrity. Also, in spite of all this
negativity towards the business,
nobody can argue the fact that Amway had been around since 1959 and is
doing very well.
There are still a few people out there who wants to do the right things
and do it right. There are
still people out there who believes in persistence.
Persistence..... anyone can start but WINNERS finish!!!!

Subj: good page
Date: 97-10-29 01:58:24 EST
From: Sender: To: exambot@aol.com (exambot@aol.com)
I'm showing it to someone who tried to get me in!!!!

Subj: My story.
Date: 97-10-31 03:52:07 EST
From:Reply-to: To: exambot@aol.com
Dear Ma'am or Sir,
Your page has been very good for me. I'd really like to thank you for
it.
I agree with the majority of your editorial.
So what now?
As a ranking distributor I confess there are many things I have chosen
NOT to teach
to my downline. In defense I have never held anyone back from skipping
a meeting
or a function for even a mere headache (I have a personally sponsored
distributor
who suffers from frequent migraines). I'd like to take this
opportunity to explain
to you and the world how I run my Worldwide business. I would ask that
you
post this in your responses section of your web site.
My principles:
1) if you can get it cheaper elsewhere--buy it elsewhere!
This is based on the true essence of free enterprise: competitive
pricing. It encourages
Amway and the 2000 other companies in the Amway funnel to stay on
top of their
pricing structures. That is as American as it gets.
2) If you have a family challenge please let me help.
The true essence of our organization is strength in numbers. We
live in each other's
challenges and hardships just as much as we live in each other's
triumphs. I have
been taught to love people unconditionally and I take that very
seriously. I enjoy
this business because it allows me to turn that love in to action.
The greatest
function is not in a stadium, but in the loving arms of friends who
help each other
through the good and the bad. In the situation you illustrated
about the friend who
had a death in the family and went to a meeting anyway--I can only
say that I am
ashamed. I won't tolerate that sort of behavior in my organization.
3) We are here to help financially -- not hinder.
You are correct in regards to the great expense of the functions,
meetings, tapes,
books, etc over the course of a year. Let me explain how I address
this important
issue. My job when I sponsor a new person is to help that person to
become
as profitable as possible as quickly as possible. If that turns out
to be a greater
challenge for a person who doesn't have many people on his/her list
of names to
sell products and services to than I will not emphasize the purchase
of any books,
tapes, or functions. If that person chooses to go anyway then I am
excited to help
in any way that I can. However, when the new distributor becomes
profitable
through my helping hand then I ask (and I mean "ask"!) the new
person to use the
'seed' money to reinvest back into himself/herself and his/her
business. The only
expense my people incur is time. Period.
Further, when a downline distributor calls me up complaining that
he/she cannot
get his/her new distributor to get on standing order, pay for
functions, etc. my first
response is, "what have you done to bring that new person to a level
of profitability?
Have you helped him/her to make enough money to do those things that
you ask?"
In our organization we offer a 90 day program entitled "legitimizing
your business"
that establishes the 10 customer base required by the FTC and
generates enough
money for the distributor to pay for all -- ALL -- expenses from the
business
and NOT the personal account, savings, kids funds, etc.
I teach my downline that if they really want someone to be on a
tape, book, etc. then
give that person the one you have. This is a 'people helping
people' business.
4) Wrong is wrong is wrong and I don't want any part of 'wrong'.
The profits generated by the sales of books, tapes, functions go to
the organization
(Worldwide Dreambuilders). These profits are used to run the main
offices, pay
the employees, make up the difference for functions that lose money,
pay the air-
fares for rubys, emeralds, and diamonds who fly around the US and
the world to
speak to groups, and to subsidize hotel expenses to make the
functions more
affordable for those just starting. None of the profits go into the
pocket of Ron
Puryear, the founder of the organization. We are the exception in
comparison
to other organizations who do pocket the profit. I made the
decision over a year
ago to drop out of another organization (the six month inactivity
rule, see the
Compendium) and rejoin with a new sponsor in the Worldwide
organization
for that reason as well as others.
The book purchase list is very helpful to distributors who cannot
obtain the
book through normal channels. I normally take the list to the local
bookstore
and buy the cassette version in addition to the paper version in
order to have
some added value while commuting. I've never been taught to only
buy from
the list--nor do I teach it. However, I have had some trouble
finding recommended
books (a recent example is "The Personality Tree", a really great
book that I
couldn't find for 3 weeks at my 5 local bookstores) that I was able
to obtain
from the book order list. The price on the order list was less
expensive than
it would have been to order from the SuperCrown bookstore.
5) Personal is personal. Business is business.
Wouldn't you HATE it if your CEO came up to you and started
lecturing you
on how to treat your husband or wife? So would I. We keep personal
apart from business. I will certainly offer all of my love and
support of any
distributor who needs me. I work very hard to develop great
relationships
with my personally sponsored distributors on down to the newest guy
downline. But I can't even imagine rudely shoving my beliefs down
some poor soul's throat unsolicited. That isn't my role in this
business
nor in life. I don't agree with Bill Britt half of the time. But I
do love him
for his good intentions. I see him as a sweet old eccentric
grandfather
who want to do his best for his kids but is running a generation
late.
Sir, Ma'am, I could go on and on. The underlying point to all of this
material
that I'm presenting before you now is a very important life lesson: all
it takes
for the forces of evil to rule our world is for enough good people to do
nothing.
You have chosen to fight the injustice by using this web site and I
commend you for it. I have chosen to fight in a very different way. I
know
that the best method that I can use to correct the horrible mistakes of
the
distributors in various Amway organization is not by hitting them in the
face
like a sparring partner, but rather by lifting them up to doing what is
right like
a good coach who really wants the best for his team.
Amway and Worldwide Dreambuilders continue to grow and grow. Neither
you nor I can stop that. So lets get back in the fight and fix the
abused
engine using the right tools of love and understanding. Lets not
indulge
ourselves by kicking dents in it with steel toed boots.
From myself and all of my group, I sincerely apologize for your
mistreatment.
I know that you will enjoy great success in or out of Amway and I
wish you all the best. God speed.