Session Start: Wed Jun 13 17:54:27 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat Good evening ladies 12Little examples of the pattern are sewn into the book (and photographed in detail) so you can check the pattern. 12Hi MImi! hello, Mimi! 12Is it time? 5 to No, not yet Right Kosmik. Do I know you by a different name? yes, sorry, Tatty-s 12Are we having class next Wednesday? Isn't Georgia having class next Wednesday, too? overlapping times? This is the last beginner's class for the season 12oh. 12When do the summer beginner sessions start? Classes will restart in the Fall unless someone volunteers to run them. My schedule gets crazy starting now oh 12workshops and stuff to teach or kids schedules? Nothing so fun. Work. 12YUCK! No kids, just work :) Plus so many folks have vacation that it's difficult to get good attendance 12I've just BARELY started making recognizable Cluny tallies....is it too early to try hanging Cluny? I'm not good at it yet....:-( 12actually most of the time I'm still kind of terrible at it. 12but I'm working on it. Never too soon to try hanging cluny Which method are you thinking of for hanging cluny? (is it there a synonym for "Cluny"?) Woven leaves thanks 05ummm...I don't know. The "regular" cluny that I finally "got" is using the star loom I discovered on Georgia's web site. In bobbin lace they are leaf tallies Ruth Perry has a method for hanging clunies that is the simplest I've seen 13(experimenting with color so we aren't all black-and-blue :-) 13ok, i'll look up her site and see what I can figure out. 12I found a pattern (maybe also on Georgia's site) for a VERY cute little angel that I think uses hanging clunies. 12oops 12ok, I think the regular blue is gonna have to be "it" for me. 12Anyway, the angel got me started wondering if I could ...ummm..."execute" it. 07(what about orange for me?) If it's Carol's little cluny angel, those are regular clunies 12Oh, REALLY? COOL!!! I can (sort of) DO those. 12Haven't gotten good enough at it yet to actually get the kite tail (is that on your web site?) to look like much yet, but hey, I'll keep trying. But because it takes so little thread, you can do them Ruth Perry's way if you like. http://rozellalinden.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html look for Feb. 12 Kite tail is on my site it was the only idea I have been able to come up with to use a series of differently-sized leaves and actually have it look like something 12That kite is chock-full of new "discoveries for me - SCMR, CLuny.... Can also do the kite with split rings. I must have forgotten to upgrade that pattern 12Hmmm...I don't remember if there were split rings in it or not. Split rings I can do. 12I like them maybe as much as you like Clunies 12;-) There's your challenge - plot a path through those rings using split rings and regular rings only and see if you can end up in the middle! 12gasp! 12I'll take another look at it and see where it leads.... 12ok, it's probably "time" by now, right? YES LET'S GET STARTED PLEASE SIGN IN 07all right MIMI DILLMAN, SNOHOMISH, WA USA ntrop@ix.netcom.com 12Stephanie Wilson, Athens, Georgia USA swwilson@uga.edu TONIGHT'S SCHEDULED LESSON IS FOUND AT http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html 07Paty López, Mexico City, patyl@gmx.net But I know Stevphany is well past this lesson Paty! You made it! 07yes!!! 12I am, but I'm eager to "see" someone actually TEACH tatting. 12I'm not a good teacher even "in person." SO PATY, PLEASE REMIND ME WHERE YOU ARE WITH YOUR TATTING SKILLS. I WAS ON VACATION FOR SEVERAL DAYS AND I HAVE FORGOTTEN MOST EVERYTHING I KNEW BEFORE I LEFT 07I can do split rings 07I am working on SMRC 07SCMR TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS ARE ALWAYS ALLOWED 07oh, sorry :) THE OTHER PART OF LESSON 4 IS BEADS HAVE YOU USED BEADS IN YOUR TATTING YET? 07not yet 12I have, but don't like to - hate "stringing" them - too hard to see. ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BEADS IN TATTING 07yes! NOT ALL BEADS MUST BE PRE-STRUNG STEPHANIE TERRY THE TATTER *HATES* PRESTRINGING TOO 12I know, I just like to use the seed beads when I use them SO HER PATTERNS ARE WRITTEN TO AVOID STRINING AND SHE HAS TO KEEP A VERY TINY CROCHET HOOK HANDY ALWASY TINY ENOUGH TO GO INTO SEED BEADS!! 12WOW, that IS tiny!:-0 http://www.terrythetatter.com 07a I already one, but I think it is not tiny enough IN THE USA THEY ARE SOLD AS SIZE 15 AND 16 07mine is size 12 I FORGET HOW MANY MM BUT IT'S NOT VERY MANY - .5 I THINK? 12I think the smallest I have is a size 12 or 13 THAT'S .5MM, YES, VERY SMALL 12and I thought THEY were tiny! IT HURTS WHEN YOU POKE YOUR FINGER!! 07sure it does 12my clover pick hurts when I poke myself, too. 12(silly grin) ME TOO LOL 07so, beads must be inserted in the hook 07? NOT MUST, BUT IN SOME CASES THAT'S THE ONLY WAY 07all right THE EASIEST WAY - AND THE WAY IN THE LESSON- IS PRE-STRINGING 07the right number of them PRE-STRINGING MAY BE DULL, BUT ONCE THEY ARE ON THE THREAD, YOU CAN PUT BEADS IN PICOTS VERY EASILY THE BEST INTO BEADING LESSON I KNOW OF IS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/beads.html 07what about using a needle? AS IN NEEDLE TATTING OR BEADING NEEDLE FOR STRINGING? 12ok, I'm still thinking about the crochet hook stuff....I wonder if you could use a thread loop and a very thin sewing needle to get them onto the long picot THREAD LOOP YES, THIN SEWING NEEDLE DIFFICULT 07oh GALE MARSHALL MARKETS THE "PICOT BEADER" WHICH IS ACTUALLY STIFF WIRE THAT WORKS LIKE THE THREAD LOOP BACK TO THE SIMPLEST CASES OF BEADING, BEADS ON DECORATIVE PICOTS DECORATIVE PICOTS = PICOTS NOT JOINED, JUST THERE TO BE PRETTY WHEN YOU WANT BEADS ON DECORATIVE PICOTS, YOU MUST STRING THEM 07all right A) ON THE BALL THREAD IF THE PICOTS ARE ON CHAINS B) ON THE SHUTTLE THREAD IF THE PICOTS ARE IN RINGS 07that is good to know!! THE B) CASE IS TRICKY WHEN WORKING, BECAUSE YOU MUST REMEMBER TO PULL HTE CORRECT NUMBER OF BEADS FOR THE RING FROM THE SHUTTLE *BEFORE* YOU START THE RING AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE INSIDE THE RING BUT AWAY FROM THE SHUTTLE'S WORKING AREA YOU PULL UP THE BEAD(S) NEXT TO HTE DS TO GET IT (THEM) ONTO THE PICOT 12Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've done a ring and gotten to the part where the bead goes, and THEN realized I've forgotten to put the bead in the ring ahead of time. I SHOULD SAY SLIDE THEM IT'S ALWAYS FRUSTRATING ISN'T IT STEPHANIE 12definitely IT IS ALSO A PRETTY EFFECT TO LEAVE SEED BEADS ON BARE THREADS IN SINGLE-SHUTTLE TATTING 12ooohhh, I never thought of that. 07so, on rings, they should be in the loop YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE LESSON http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/beads.html AND SCROLL DOWN TO THE FLOWER IN VARIEGATED RED/ORANGE/YELLOW EXACTLY PATY 07ok IN CHAINS, YOU CAN SLIDE UP BEADS ANY TIME THAT'S HOW THE BLUE BEADS GOT ONTO THE RINGS IN THE RAINBOW EARRINGS AT THE TOP OF THE LESSON 12and if you want them on the core thread in a ring, you leave them on the shuttle until you're ready for them 12I think.... 07but if you are using the thread directly from the ball? EXACTLY STEPHANIE IN USE DIRECTLY FROM BALL YOU'LL HAVE THREADED THE BEADS ONTO THE BALL THREAD BEFORE STARTING TO TAT 07ah, ok THEN YOU CAN SLIDE THE BEADS UP FROM THE BALL WHEN YOU REACH THE NEXT SPOT FOR A BEADED PICOT NO HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT COUNTING THEM BEFORE STARTING THE CHAIN NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO COUNT SO CAREFULLY BEFORE STARTING A RING 07right, understood! BEADS OVER A JOIN ARE THE KIND ADDED WHILE TATTING THEY ARE NOT USUALLY STRUNG IN ADVANCE 07is there any example of this? LISA TRUMBLE SHOWS CLEARLY HOW TO ADD A BEAD TO A JOIN AT http://www.thisntat.com/bead_lessons1.html 07good! LENGTH OF THE PICOT INTENDED FOR THE JOIN IS CRITICAL IF YOU DON'T WANT A FLOPPY JOIN YOU WILL HAVE TO PLAN THE LENGTH OF THE PICOT 07oh USING A GAUGE MAKES THIS EASIER ONCE YOU DETERMINE THE SIZE PICOT YOU NEED LISA SAYS TO PLAN THE PICOT TO BE JUST A TAD BIT LONGER THAN YOUR BEAD ENOUGH TO GET A CROCHET HOOK THROUGH 07oh, yes, I see I'D PRACTICE SOME SIMPLER PATTERNS AND WORK YOUR WAY UP TO BEANILE TATTING 12WOuld the hook on the Aero shuttles be too big to use? HAVE YOU SEEN BEANILE TATTING BY NINA LIBIN I'VE USED AERO HOOK ON BEADS WITH LARGE HOLES BUT IT'S TOO BIG FOR SEED BEADS 07no, link? http://www.beanile.com 07thx Nina's work is more beads than tatting IMO but it's very pretty Excellent for jewelry Session Close: Wed Jun 13 18:29:05 2007 Session Start: Wed Jun 13 18:29:21 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat what did I do!!? 12Someone at the Atlanta IOLI group was doing beanile tatting. It looks even nicer "in person" than it does in pictures. Anyway NINA'S STYLE LENDS ITSELF WELL TO GEMSTONE BEADS FOR EXTRA PIZZAZZ IT TAKES A LOT OF BEADS http://www.beanile.com/BNL-133a.jpg IS PRETTY ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT BASIC BEADING? ok TATTER WELCOM PLEASE SIGN IN 12I think I'm ok. 12Got to look for a teeny crochet hook.... * Kosmik-s has quit IRC (Ping timeout) 07it's me, Patty, I do not know 07how to change nic * Tatter is now known as Kosmik-s * Tatter has joined #tatchat 07now, it is fixed * Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatter) GREAT! PATY YOU AND I BOTH NEED SEAT BELTS TO KEEP US IN THE CLASSROOM :) 07yeah!!1 :) AFTER BEADING, THE LESSON CONCLUDES WITH A LITTLE ENCOURAGEMENT TO STUDENTS TO JOIN GEORGIA'S REGULAR CLASS 07good!!! IF YOU'VE MASTERED THE MATERIAL IN THE 4 BEGINNER'S LESSONS YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND 70% Or MORE OF WHAT IS DISCUSSED/PRESENTED 07I'll keep on mastering all of them, even the bonus and challenges ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN SINGLE OUT WHAT OU DON'T RECOGNIZE AND GET HELP THROUGH Q&A AND/OR GOOGLE SEARCHING THAT'S GREAT PATY 12I'm listening....just tatting while you talk DO YOU BOTH KNOW HOW TO DO AN ADVANCED SEARCH ON GOOGLE? 12I'm not so hot on computer skills. 07hmm, I don't think so BY THAT I MEAN LIMIT YOUR SEARCH TO ONE DOMAIN, LIKE WWW.GEORGIASEITZ.COM? 12umm...you can DO that? 07oh, no, I haven't done that yet YES YOU CAN! IF YOU KNOW WHAT WEBSITE YOU WANT TO SEARCH IN YOU GO TO http://www.google.com NEXT TO THE TEXT BOX THERE IS A LITTLE LINK CALLED 'ADVANCED SEARCH' IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF OPTIONS THE ONES I MAINLY USE ARE THE ONES IN THE SHADED BLUE BOX ANDA THEN UNDER "DOMAIN I CHOOSE "ONLY" RETURN RESULTS FROM - THEN TYPE IN THE DOMAIN, SUCH AS www.georgiaseitz.com GIVE IT A TRY AND SEE WHAT LESSONS/MENTIONS THERE HAVE BEEN OF "HANGING CLUNY" 12I'll do that. USE 'ALL THE WORDS' ELSE YOU'LL GET LOTS OF CLUNY LINKS 07ok DID YOU FIND THE LESSON CALLED "HANGING THE CLUNY"? 12yes. 07yes SEE HOW EASY? YOU CAN FIND LESSONS YOURSELF TO LEARN WHAT YOU NEED WHEN YOU NEED IT 07that is really helpful, thanks INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE LESSON TO COME AROUND AS TIME GOES ON YOU'LL FIND OTHER WEBSITES YOU LIKE WITH INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY AS COMPREHENSIVE AS GEORGIA'S THE CLASS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 1998 I THINK (POSSIBLY EARLIER) AND SHE NEVER DELETES ANYTHING 12I tried searching for "tatting techniques" (in quotes) and found an index, but don't know whose web site it belongs to. AS FAR AS I KNOW ANYWAY URL? 07let's do something to celebrate the first 10 years! 12http://www.home.earthlink.net/~frmuse/alison/index.html#T 12I think that was where the index was. HOLY SMOKES LOOK AT ALL THOSE LINKS 12There is a LOT of information there. THERE YOU DON'T NEED GOOGLE BUT INSTEAD "FIND" FOR FINDING TEXT 12I usually end up searching through Georgia's site lookinf for things I don't know how to do yet. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CELEBRATE PATY. LET'S SUGGEST IT TO GEORGIA IN CLASS NEXT WEDNESDAY 12cool! 07great! MEANTIME ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TONIGHT? 12So is class at 8:30 next Wednesday? 07homework YES I THINK SO STEPHANIE. I'M THE ROGUE STARTING AT 9 PM I'M ON THE WEST COAST AND IT'S TOUGH FOR ME TO BE HOME RELIABLY BY 5:30 BUT I CAN BE HOME BY 6 12so it's....oh yeah...ummm...6 for you. TNIGHT'S START WAS 6 WHICH HOMEWORK PATY 12hehehehe.....and I start at 9 here. 12The patterns for tonights lesson - are they the homework? 07for beads, from the urls you wrote down, right? THAT'S CORRECT - THOSE ARE SUGGESTED PATTERNS TO USE TO PRACTICE THE TECHNIQUES PRESENTED 07all right THAT'S RIGHT PATY - BOTH LINKS EXCEPT BEANILE ARE IN THE LESSON OH,AND NOT TERRY THE TATTER EITHER :) 07good GEORGIA USES THE SAME FORMAT A DISCUSSION AND THEN A PATTERN (OR DISCUSSION OF A PATTERN) BUT USUALLY A PATTERN IS INCLUDED TO PRACTICE THE TECHNIQUE 07is next Wednesday, 8:30 New York time? Correct June 20 8:30 pm Same place - here! I see a pattern is posted already by checking her class lesson listing http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/2007index.html wow those are quite elaborate buttons! 07the button? 07yes 12I've downloaded the button pattern but haven't gotten the supplies yet. 12I'm still engrossed in making squadrons of angels (wings). I've never seen those type of buttons before (Prym Creative Buttons)? 12Is that a Wal-Mart type of button, do you think? Which angels Stephanie? Christa's? 12or a "fabric store" thing? 12Yes, the angel wings on crystals. 12I've been playing around with the pattern - tried doubling the stitch count and using sewing thread Don't know about where to find them... Google brought up only UK based links 12It's just a tad bit too big but will work, I think. I guess we have to go to class and find out where Brigitte lives and where she got hers 07hmm The idea will likely work for other beads with some creativity :) 12I...ummm...think I had to do something weird to get the pattern up on the screen and print it. 12i mean for the angel wings Tks Which URL for the angel wings? 12let me see if I can find it. 12ok, it was the last lesson on Georgia's online lesson index....the one before the June 20 stuff. Ok Thanks. I wondered 07we can have access to all said here, by doing what, please? i do not remember 12It came up as a pdf file when I clicked on Crista's angel wings, but I couldn't get a url other than Georgia's THE LAST TIP IS THE LOG THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, PATY, THE LOG OR TRANSCRIPT OF THE LESSON SINCE WE REALLY HAD A LESSON TONIGHT I'LL PUT UP THE LOG 07ok ON THE CLASS PAGE 12do you do the same thing as Georgia does with the Monday night class? Put it on the site with the lesson for the day? AFTER CLASS IS OVER THAT'S RIGHT! 07yes, please! 12and you click on class log and it comes up? EXCEPT THAT OURS WILL BE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE SET OF LINKS ON THE LESSON 4 PAGE 07ok! 12ok, I think I can find it. I'LL PUT IT ABOVE THE LOG FOR MAY 9 ON PAGE http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html YOU CAN FIND OTHER LOGS THE SAME WAY SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW OTHERS WERE ASKING QUESTIONS, YOU CAN READ LOGS FROM OTHER SESSIONS OF HTE SAME LESSON 12DO you keep the logs from months ago? 12never mind, you answered that WHEN WE'RE FEELING ORGANIZED WE PUT THEM ONTO A HISTORY PAGE 12before I hit "enter. 07thank you very much :) !! http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/Archives.html 12and you get there from the lesson page, too? HOPEFULLY NEXT TIME WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHICH ARE FOR WHICH LESSON :) FROM THE FRONT PAGE http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters 12ok, good. KEEP IN MIND WE'RE TATTERS NOT WEBSITE DESIGNERS :)) 07;) THANKS AGAIN FOR COMING TONIGHT 12hehehehe....that's why I've resisted setting up a web page HAVE A GREAT SUMMER TATTING 12Can't design, I just like to tat. AND KEEP AN EYE OUT ON GEORGIA'S LIST 07same to you 12Thanks, you too. 12Try not to work too hard. SOMETIMES SHE HAS VOLUNTEERS TO TEACH IN BETWEEN TIMES I'LL TRY STEPHANIE THE SHIPS HAVE TO GET LOADED FOR THE RUSSIAN ARCTIC BETWEEN NOW AND MID-SEPT 07thank you very much !! SO HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF SEPT LIFE WILL CALM DOWN AGAIN 12oh....yeah, I guess too late in the year and the water would freeze? 12Wow. THAT'S RIGHT - NOT TOO EARLY OR THERE'S ICE, AND NOT TOO LATE OR YOU GET STUCK! LUCKILY IT'S NOT MY JOB TO WORRY ABOUT THAT PART 07amazing! I ONLY HAE TO MAKE SURE THE RIGHT STUFF GOES ONTO THE SHIPS THAT COME IN - THE SHIPPER DOES THE SCHEDULING 12I don't think about ice much in Georgia. NEXT ICE STORM YOU WILL :) 12once or twice a year, and it melts almost immediately 12My parents (north Carolina) get more ice/snow than I do....sometimes I feel a little jealous. IT IS STRANGE TO THINK ABOUT THAT'S FOR SURE 12Our big thing here is thunderstorms and sometimes tornadoes. Sometimes I'd rather have ice TORNADOES ALWAYS SCARED ME GROWING UP IN HOUSTON AROUND HERE THE SCARY PART IS EARTHQUAKES 07also in Mexico AT LEAST YOU CAN PREDICT TORNADOES/HURRICANES EARTHQUAKES HAPPEN WHENEVER! 12hmmm....I don't know what would be worse - tornadoes or earthquakes. MOST EARTHQUAKES DON'T DO THE SAME DAMAGE AS TORNADOES BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN HIDE IN THE BASEMENT :) IN A TORNADO THE BASEMENT IS HELPFUL I MEAN 12if you have a basement. :-) LOL 12My landlady keeps reminding me if I get scared I can come to her house and we'll hide in a closet together (she doesn't have a basement either) :-) 07:) 12I can hide in my OWN closet, why go out in the storm? MISERY LOVES COMPANY 12that must be it 12I guess i'd better sign off. I sort of promised my husband I'd get offline around 10. IN ANY CASE, I'D BETTER SIGN OFF AND START DINNER AND GET THE LOG POSTED 12Goodnight everyone. 07ok, girls, we will meet on Wednesday! bye for now, and have a very good night HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND SEE YOU NEXT WEDNESDAY IN THE REGULAR CLASS! * Stephanie has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) BUENAS NOCHES 07thaks 07gracias * Disconnected Session Close: Wed Jun 13 19:06:23 2007