2 peter 2:20 For if after they have escape the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the lord and savoir Jesus Christ, they are again entangled there in, and overcome, the latter end is worse for them then the beggining. for it had been better for them not to have know the way of rightousness, then after they had know it to turn from the holy commandment given unto them.
Gal. 5:1 Standfast there for in the liberty wherein Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage . Behold, I Paul say unto you ,that if ye be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified bye the law, YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.
You have to have grace to fall from it. By grace ye are saved, turn back to legalism as some Galatians had done , lost salvation is found)
Rev.3:11 Behold I come quickly, hold that which thou hast that no man take thy crown.
Rev. 2:10 Fear not of those things which thou shalt suffer, behold the devil shall cast some of you into prison , that ye may be tried , and ye shall have tribulation ten days, be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a crown of life. (Now if they could not loose their salvation they would not be tried would they?)
2 Peter 3:17 Ye there for, beloved, seeing ye know these things before , BEWARE lest ye also , being led away with the error of the wicked , fall from your own stedfastness.
( You cant be stedfast in Christ without Christ , and you can loose it according to the word of God. )
Luke 9:6 No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looketh back is fit for the kingdom of God.
Rom. 11:20 Well because of unbelief they where broken off, and thou standest by faith, be not HIGHMINDED , but fear , for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold there for the goodness and severity of God , on them which FELL severity, but toward thee goodness , if thou continue in his goodness , otheirwise thou shalt be cut off.
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those that where once enlighted , and having tasted of the Heavenly gifts , and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost , and have tasted the good word of God , and the powers of the world to come . if they shall fall away to renew them again unto repentance , seeings they curcify to them selfs the Son of God afresh and put his name to an open shame.
( You can't have gifts of the Holy Ghost unless your with Christ and you can lose both. Now I've heard Bob George , Bob Davis , Bob Christopher and Wally Bob try to explain these away and in my view its a bunch of mumbo jumbo. )
Jude 6. And the angels which kept not their first estate but left their own habatation , He hath reserved in everlasting chains of darkness unto judgement of that great day .
(Angels fallen from grace , salvation , stedfastness , call it what you will , they lost it because they lost faith in God . )
Rev. 3:3 Remember there for how thou hast recieved and heard , and hold fast and repent . If therefor thou shalt not watch , I will come as a thief , and thou shalt not know what hour I come .
( He wouldn't give these warning unless they were needed. Christ isn't Chicken Little running around spewing warnings for nothing is He?)
Heb.3:12 Take heed brethren , lest there be in any of you and evil heart of unbelief , in departing from the truth.
( Can't depart unless a part of the truth. Can't know the truth without Jesus Christ .)
But exhort one anotheir daily , while it is called today. Lest any of you be hardened threw the deceitfulness of sin . For we are partakers of Christ , if we hold the beggining of our confidence stedfast till the end.
(Need God say anymore ? )
( Paul wrote to his beloved son in faith , Timothy . )
1 Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself , and unto doctrine continue in them , for in doing this thou shalt both save thy self and them which hear thee.
( now unless one has faith way above that of Timothy's and Paul's , one should take heed I would think , right ? Not according to the Bob's on people to people , they teach once saved always saved , no need to take heed.)
1 Peter 5:6 Humble yourselfs therefore under the mighty hand of thy God , that he may exalt you in due time , casting all your care upon him , for he careth for you . Be sober , vigilant because your adversary the Devil , as a roaring loin , walketh about seeking whom he may devour whom resist stedfast in the faith , knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
( Satan isn't out to steal the lost , he has them , guess who he seeks.)
Rev. 3:5 He that over cometh , the same shall be clothed in white rainment , and I will not blot out their name out of the book of life , but will confess his name before my Father and before his angels .
(Don't over come and guess what?)
(And what of the story God gave us about Esau, where-in Esau sold his birthright in Genesis 2:5 ? People to People's staff do not believe in the Old Testament , but even in Hebrews this story was told as a warning . )
HEB. 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail short of the grace of god , lest any root of bitterness spring up trouble you , and there by you may be defiled . Lest there be any fornicator , or profane person as Esau ,who for a morsel of meat sold his birth right . For you know that how afterward when he would have inherited the blessing he was rejected ,for he found no place for repentance ,though he sought it carefully with tears .
1 Tim. 5:12 Having damnation because they have cast off their first faith .
Ex.32:33 And the Lord said to Moses , Whosoever hath sinned against me , him will I blot out of my book .
PSLM.69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living and be be not written with the righteous.
Col.2:6 As ye have received Jesus Christ the lord , so walk thee in him rooted and built up in him and established in the faith , as ye have been taught abounding there in with thanksgiving. BEWARE lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men , after the rudiments of the world , and not after Christ.
( If you've received Christ ... BEWARE ...)
1 Cor.10:8 Neither be ye idolaters , as were some of them as it is written , the people sat down to eat and drink , and rose up early to play . Neither let us commit fornication as some of them committed , and FELL , in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us not tempt Christ , as some of them also tempted , and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye , as some of them murmured , and were destroyed of the destroyer . Now all these things happened unto them for ENSAMPLES . And they are written for our ADMONITION , upon whom the ends of the world are come . Wherefore let him that thinketh he stand take heed lest he FALL .
Now if you don't stand fast in the lord , don't take heed, but if you do , take heed .)
(Christ was please with the church of Ephesus except one thing, so he told John to write ...)
Rev. 2:4 Never the less I have somewhat against thee , because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou hast FALLEN , and repent , and do thy first works , or else I will come unto you quickly , and remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent .
( Notice Christ turn it personal to his place . )
Bob , Bob , Bob , Wally Bob and the other Mr. Bob , denounce all that you just read , and teach this to others , they denounce also , tithing to the church( but don't turn down money you send to them.) they denounce , the anointing powers God gave the churches to heal the sick . They denounce one judgment day for all , they denounce fasting , the Old Testament and tell people that suicide is permissible . ( so lets all just eat a bullet , or do a hail bop thing if suicide is ok . sounds kind of like Jim Jones teachings .) And there false teachings go on and on , and that's o.k. , this is a free country and they have the right to teach what ever they can come up with . BUT , to teach the doctrine that once saved always saved , in the name of Jesus Christ , must be pointed out .
I've tried to present my side of the view , but was told by Mr. Davis , " If you know so much go get your own show" this is a Christian call in talk show mind you now ,
Bob Christopher , five minutes after saying " WE WELCOME ALL CALLS AND POINTS OF VIEW" hung up on me , why ?
Then Bob Davis had him a laugh on me , which of course I claim as a reward in heaven . ( thanks Bob )
Then I was told if I called back , they would press charges on me for phone harassment ,then hung up on me again , I called back to tell them I welcomed the filing of those charges , they refused and I still await them earnestly . Still I await .
I will not call again as they have made it clear that the talk show is theirs to do with what they will .( I would think it , like churches would be Gods .)
I have done my part , to bring this false teaching to light , it is such a dangerous teaching because once someone feels the power of Christ within , or thinks he does , and is taught that he can never loose it , he might walk in to a high school and started shooting , or he might bomb an abortion clinic thinking he's doing Gods work , they might kill themselves just to be with Jesus early , they might get high minded of their salvation and dive back into sin , only to loose that salvation , because the Bobs said they could never loose it .
But the main reason not to teach once saved always saved is because it IS contrary to the Word of God. To miss this fundamental point in the word of God is Hard. Satan himself fell from that same salvation, and God will never force Himself now or ever on Satan or anyone else.
Christ himself was tempted in the Wilderness , WHY? Because everyone has the free choice to loose their salvation. Rooted in the word , faith , knowledge of God his father and the things to come , kept Jesus' salvation stedfast. But , HE like Satan , had a choice , as did the fallen angels , as do we . ANY ONE CAN LEAVE GOD AT ANYTIME , YOU DO THAT BY LOOSING FAITH IN HIM , BEING HIGHMINDED , DIVING BACK IN TO SIN , NOT REPENTING , NOT ROOTING ONES SELF IN THE WORD , NO WORKS ,
James 2:14-20 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble .
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
THESE AND MANY MORE THINGS CAUSE ONE TO LOSE FAITH , THEREBY SALVATION.
I invite you to call in on this matter , to express your point of view to them , if they let you. I also ask you to know that if you in anyway support their show , that you help to spread this false teaching as well , whether you send their broadcast out, fund them, buy from them , or attend their gatherings, I urge you to stop and consider, if you want to be known as a follower of these teachings ?
I don't wish to defame the Bobs in any way and regret having to write this letter at all . ( 2 Peter 2:11 and Jude 9 ) But must bring this false teaching to light .
6/19/99
May Jesus Christ's love be with you always ,
David S. Shaw
If you think once you call on the blood of Christ, and are a child of God, that's it, there is no more to it, no other works needed, you're miss the point of "servant of God" Father covers all bases, to one He says, "So you think you're going to work your way to heaven by trying to fullfill the law huh, well you're not!" And to another He says, "So you think you will go to have just by having faith in me alone, well faith in me means you will do my will and if you dont do my will you will lose faith in me!"
