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This page is to help others and myself review peoples past statements and beliefs. The Lord is my witness that these are the statements in whole, unedited, and to the best of my knowledge not out of context either. If one says something on the web they should be willing to have it viewed by all, either that or they should stop saying what they say. In fact they should be perpared to have it reprinted here or in the daily newspaper for that matter... Some will say... "But you didn't enclude what stupid things Christians say as well." Oh! yes I did! Some I'm sure in time will have a problem with this page, so far those that know about it for the most part have shown support for it... and the others, the ones that don't like it or agree with it... tough titty said the momma cat to the kitty... don't come here. The only editing that will be done is if one does a "wame = same" typo correction. Some might say, well you'll just add false statements, lies about those that are against you or your God... it's my God that keeps me in check of false witnessing, and I don't take it lightly how Father views thoses that slander others. Some of these rooms have full time bots logging all the chats, if someone is in doubt about what they say, ask for the logs and you will see, you did say just that. Don't get so drunk you can't remember what you said next time, or what ever the cause might be that keeps you from remembering.
Nooooo I didn't enclude the stupid things I said, what ya think I'm stupid!!! LOL

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[21:30] 5/8/03 #CD Ryft> I_lack_faith: The point you're doing an amazing job at ignoring is the fact that religion cannot make you do anything, nor is religion either bad or good. The point you're missing by miles is that the problem lies with people.
SoulSeeker> bad people run certain religious orders and sects as well, and threw religion convicts, get others to do things, so in a sense, religions can make certain weak spirited people to do things. SoulSeeker is yours truly, and you will see, in a bit, that he knows this.
Ryft> SoulSeeker: No, religions cannot make you do anything. Religious proponents can, however.
SoulSeeker> same things. . .
Ryft> Not the same thing. Huge difference. It puts the responsibility where it belongs -- on the person.
Ryft> It's too tempting to blame religion, as though it could somehow carry your responsibility.
SoulSeeker> look at Islam, they use their religious doctrine to get others todo what they want. . .same with some Christians groups as well, religious doctrine gets people to do allsorstof things. . . some of it written by long dead people. .
Ryft> Religion does not cause anything. Religion is an effect, not a cause. My goodness, go to Walmart and pick up some rationality. And credibility, while you're at it.
SoulSeeker> oh thats nice
SoulSeeker> real nice.
SoulSeeker> we are done. . . Ryft
Ryft> SoulSeeker: We're done? We weren't even speaking, aside from my one comment to you.
SoulSeeker> Religion is an effect, not a cause. My goodness, go to Walmart an
Beforeall trys to avoid arguing with depressed people
SoulSeeker> such snide remarks. . .and from a op. . .
[21:36] Ryft> SoulSeeker: Oh don't even start. There are reams of channel logs of you saying the same, or worse.
[21:36] SoulSeeker> Ryft post them I assumed he was looking, as he was not talking from this point on. . . I waited the pushed it. . .
[21:47] SoulSeeker> [21:36] Ryft> SoulSeeker: Oh don't even start. There are reams of channel logs of you saying the same, or worse. <<< . . . (I assume "reams" means a lot dude, so please feel free to shoot them to me in a private. . . if you aont qwant to flood the room. . .still havent seen one come my way yet. ) either way, you have laid a charge at my feet, I have a right to see these logs?
SoulSeeker> back btw
[21:54] Beforeall: He did not. He said you will hear of these things, "but the end is not yet." He has not said a word, in room till then. . . so, he must have missed my past
[21:54] SoulSeeker> one hit down town Salt Lake City. . . about 3 years ago or so. . . it looked freaky among all the sky scapers. . .
SoulSeeker> Ryft> SoulSeeker: Oh don't even start. There are reams of channel logs of you saying the same, or worse. <<< . . . (I assume "reams" means a lot dude, so please feel free to shoot them to me in a private. . . if you aont qwant to flood the room. . .still havent seen one come my way yet. ) either way, you have laid a charge at my feet, I have a right to see these logs? Trying to get this guys to give up these supposed logs just wasnt going anywhere. . .
Ryft> SoulSeeker: If I felt it was really important, I would take the time to wade through the chat logs to acquire the various incidents. However, as I am heading to bed somewhat soon, I'm not too keen on spending the remaining time doing that. It's going to have to wait, and you're going to have to mock or gloat about this.
SoulSeeker> Ryft naaaaa wont do either. . .
[21:57] * SoulSeeker* †KJV† Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. I just posted him that, and note his reason for not having them, and now note his last words said. [21:57]
[22:34] Ryft> LoL Beforeall
[22:43] *** Quits: Ryft
When someone makes a charge such as this, and claims he is not willing to back it up because of time, then chats for 37 mins more, and doesnt leave the room for 50 minutes, one has to wonder if he was out and out lying. . . not that I would lay such a charge on him without the proof, so like he said, next time we run into each other, he will have the logs. . . and I will send this to him, to be fair about the whole matter. . . BUT I expect him to back up these charges he has laid on me. If someone doesn't want to take the time to back up slander, they need not slander I would think?





















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