Melvins Article 8 HONKY (Helmet support tour, La Crosse, July 4, 1997)

The Melvins: open to suggestions

By Alex Fulton Entertainment Editor

LA CROSSE - My musical interests are pretty obscure by the standards of the majority of the population, so I've gotten very used to people not knowing what I'm talking about when I mention bands that I like. The same holds true for most of the interviews I do.

Sometimes I almost enjoy telling people that I'm doing an interview so I can relish the blank stare I get when they ask me who I'm interviewing only to discover that they've never even heard of the band. However, I was surprised to find that I got very few stupid looks from people when I told them I was interviewing the Melvins. Pretty much everyone has heard of and respects the Melvins, and with good reason. The trio has been together since 1984 (with a few different bassists), and since forming they've played a major role in the growth of the music scene and have worked with many amazing musicians. Melvins' drummer Dale Crover played on Nirvana's first album, “Bleach,” Kurt Cobain produced half the songs on the Melvins' album “Houdini,” and Kiss asked the Melvins to open for them on one of their tours. This is why when I heard that the Melvins were playing on the Fourth of July in my hometown of La Crosse to support their new record, “Honky,” I literally jumped at the chance to do an interview. So,on the, Fourth of July, I got to sit and talk to Melvins singer/guitarist King Buzzo (Buzz Osbome) and bassist Mark Deutrom in the lounge of the Warehouse, a club I've been seeing shows at since I was 15 years old. How cool is that?

Buzz: So what's the good word?

Badger Herald: Well... how's the tour going so far?

B: It's good. We're near the beginning of it, so...

BH: How was the show last night with Helmet?

B: It was good. It was fun. Sold out.

BH: Good. How did you end up playing here in La Crosse?

B: I don't know.

Mark: We played here before, actually.

B: We did a show opening up for Nine Inch Nails.

M: We lost our La Crosse virginity with Nine Inch Nails.

BH: I vaguely remember that, but I was pretty young.

B: Were you there?

BH: No.

M: You were outside waving one of those anti-Satanic flags, weren't you?

BH: No. I'm from La Crosse so I remember the show, but I wasn't here.

B: You're from La Crosse?

BH: Yeah.

M: Amazing. Born and bred, huh?

BH: Yep, but now I go to school in Madison so I don't get back here too often.

M: What are you going to school for?

BH: Journalism.

M: So you're getting credit for doing this?

BH: Nope.

M: So it's a labor of love, then?

BH: Yeah. So, how do you like the new album as compared to your other albums?

B: Well, there are a lot of things that have to be considered.

BH: Such as?

B: I don't like it as much as our last one.

BH: Why is that?

B: Um... if I just look at it from a purely consumer standpoint, you get more bang for your buck with the “Stag” record than you do with the “Honky” record because we spent a lot more money recording “Stag” and I think it has a lot more tricks that I like better.

M: It's more refined, more deliberate.

B: Yeah. “Honky” is like a rougher version of “Stag” to me. Six days top to bottom to record it.

BH: Wow.

B: We spent $3,000 recording it, and actually some songs... we had way more songs than we needed for it. Some songs we had to axe because we thought we wouldn't be able to record them as well as we wanted to. Considering the fact that we did it very quickly and very cheaply as far as I'm concerned, I like it fine.

M: It's not bad for a week's worth of work.

B: Even less than a week.

BH: So what's the songwriting process like for you guys? Does it vary from album to album, song to song, or do you have a set method?

B: Last time it was more of a team effort, on “Stag,” because we had more time to do it. This time we wanted to do it very quickly, so we just threw out the songs as fast as possible. So Crover didn't write anything on this one. That doesn't mean that he wouldn't have... he had some stuff, but nothing made it on the record. It's just coincidental, it really had nothing to do with what he had.

At this point in the interview, Buzz belched really loudly. Everyone in the room laughed, and I told him his belch was on tape. His reply? "I knew it would be." I laughed, and we continued with the interview.

BH: What's your attitude toward major versus indie labels, since you've done both?

B: Well, the indie label that we're on now [Amphetamine Reptile] is fine. They do a good job. But I like the major labels because they have more money, and they make it possible for us to do things the way that we want to as far as economics go.

M: They also make it possible for kids that live in La Crosse and London and Tulsa to buy Melvins records.

BH: So distribution is a major issue?

B: It's an issue.

M: It's one issue, yes.

B: You know, I'm never worried about putting records out. Never. I know we can always find somebody to do our records, regardless of where they come out at or whatever. But I want things to be done on a big, huge, giant scale.

M: Something that accurately reflects our ego.

B: Yeah [laughs].

BH: Do you have more control on an independent label?

B: You know, that's something that never happened to us.

BH: You never lost control?

B: No.

M: It's a fallacy. It's a complete fallacy. You relinquish as much control as you decide to. Nobody walks up to you and says, "Well now you're working for us. We're going to be making a few changes." That's a common misconception. Of course, people might offer a lot of suggestions, but...

BH: That doesn't mean you have to take them.

M: Exactly. We're always willing to hear suggestions.

B: What would happen is a lot of these people at Atlantic [the label the Melvins were on before AmRep] would just have no interest in it because they didn't have a foot in it, you know? We'd present them with a record that they are obviously too moronic to understand and they'd just blow it off because they're busy jerking off over Hootie and the Blowfish CDs.

M: I think some of these people actually suffer from the misconception that somehow, because they are in an artist-related business, that they are somehow artistically inclined also. So they like to make comments and suggestions when the actual fact of it is, in the words of Geddy Lee, that "they were just salesmen!" [laughs].

B: Also it's like they suffer from this other thing, which is like "if it sold a million copies then it's good."

BH: Did Atlantic find that they didn't know what to do with you guys?

B: I think a lot of it had to do with us refusing to kiss ass in a lot of the departments in Atlantic. Some of them were fine - the publicity department we always had a very good relationship with - but the rest of them... you're dealing with a bunch of morons in a lot of ways. It's literally on the level of if you go down and party with these people, you know, if you kiss their asses, then they're gonna act like you mean more or something like that.

M: It's some kind of false camaraderie or something.

B: Yeah. I don't party with people that I know, let alone a bunch of moronic dipshits from the record label.

M: They're just business acquaintances, and I use the term "business" extremely loosely.

B: With all that said, I still want to work with a major label because they have the capabilities to make things very big. And I don't trust independent labels.

BH: Why not?

B: They're almost always a rip-off. Almost always. You don't get paid. You know, it's a one man show generally speaking, and I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I mean, people can sit around and do whatever they want. A lot of people say all this stuff about corporate, corporate, corporate. I've said this a million times, but if anybody can sit down and point out to me what actually changed in our records as far as what we did that was different other than make better records on a major label as opposed to an indie, if they can point that out to me, fine. But that is just utter bullshit. It's complete and total bullshit. People that think like that, that are on that level, are obviously on some sort of soapbox as opposed to actually caring about the bands and music. They have some other kind of ulterior motive that is political. That has nothing to do with what I do, you know.

M: It's just the continuation of the popularizing of the myth that somehow it's better because it's not some multi-national corporation.

B: Nine out of ten indie labels are slime, absolute slime.

BH: Do you have a good relationship with AmRep, though?

B: Absolutely. AmRep is great, I like those guys... but we're looking for something bigger.

BH: What do you think it is about you as a band that has kept you around for so long?

B: I don't know... maybe it's because we're not junkies. You know, we've put out a lot of records, done a lot of work.

BH: So you're dedicated?

B: Relatively [laughs]. I mean, there are a lot of shitty bands out there. If you don't like them, don't worry, because they'll be gone soon enough.

BH: Yeah. The one-hit wonders.

B: Or two-hit wonders, it doesn't matter.

BH: What bands do you think are really overrated right now?

B: Most.

M: We don't have enough time to answer that question [laughs].

B: Us included, you know?

BH: You think you're overrated?

B: Yeah. I think that on a bad night we can be one of the worst bands in the world.

M: Even on a good night we can be bad.

BH: Everybody has bad nights, but that doesn't mean you're overrated.

M: You're only as good as your last gig. If your last gig sucked, well, you're in trouble.

BH: What's your favorite gig you've ever played?

B: Well, looking back on shows, the only ones I ever remember are the really bad ones.

BH: What about the shows where you opened for Kiss? What was that like?

M: Fairly uninteresting.

B: Yeah, the audiences are a very polite group of thirty year olds, you know? People who are past the point of really wanting to worry about heckling a band they don't like. They're just relaxing with a brewsky. Those days are over for them, and that's fine. That's the way I am, too. When I go to a show and there's a band I really don't like, the idea of heckling would never cross my mind because I would just leave.

BH: Did Kiss approach you to do that leg of the tour?

B: Yeah, they did, and it was good. Kiss was very nice to us. It was cool, they were very cool. Being people that I consider to be rock stars in the classic sense of the word, they were a lot nicer than people that we've worked with in the past that consider themselves rock stars but that have nowhere near the history or out and out respectability and act like complete amateurs and dickheads.

BH: Like who?

B: White Zombie, for instance. One guy, the lead singer, was the biggest megalomaniac I've ever been around. That fuckin' guy is one of the biggest morons I've ever worked with, on the worst tour I've ever done. The other people in the band were very nice, but they're not running the show. That guy's a jerk, that's all there is to it. And there's no reason for it. We've worked with enough bands that are real rock stars, and I know enough people.

BH: What bands have you worked with that you really liked working with?

B: Nine Inch Nails were really good all the way around. Who else, Mark?

M: Tool.

B : Tool were really cool.

M: Rush.

B: Rush were nice. Who else? Well, that's enough. Trent Reznor was really nice; the guys in Rush and the guys in Kiss were, too. Those are people that are big, big rock stars that you'd expect to be total assholes who just aren't. So having to deal with someone like Rob Zombie and crew makes me even more mad because you realize how uncalled for it really is. Fuck that guy.

BH: Yeah... right on. Something that I've really been wanting to know is how you guys decide what songs you're going to cover, because you guys have covered Pussy Galore songs, and I think that's so cool.

B: Yeah... we should start playing that again.

BH: You should play it tonight.

B: No, we've never played it with this band line-up.

BH: Oh well. Anyway, how do you decide what you're going to cover?

B: I don't know. For some reason I'll just think, "Oh, maybe we should do this."

BH: I see. So what are the future plans for the band? Do you have any?

B: Yeah. We want to finish this tour, we're going to Australia and then we're going to probably do some sort of new thing. And then sign a new deal and go do a new album.

BH: With the same label?

B: I don't know... I don't know what's going to happen. But I don't really want to talk about that...


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