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Alpha Particles and Conserving Charge

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Ray queried:

Along with alpha particle emissions, aren't beta particles (electrons) also emitted?

If so, then the charge would be balanced back to neutral or base charge for the particular element involved.
On 27/5/2003, Kevin  Phyland posted:

One of my more astute Physics students asked me a question today that I couldn't readily answer (no great feat...it was the asking that probably floored me)...

As I *understand* it an alpha particle is a Helium-4 nucleus...my student asked whether the emission of the alpha particle left the parent atom negatively-charged, to which I knee-jerkingly responded, "Obviously!"

But it got me wondering...it seems like it should be so...but no (high-school) text I had could either confirm or deny this, or whether such a charging of the parent atom had any ramifications chemically...

While you ponder that (as I did) my student then proceeded to ask me why  a Helium nucleus was the "optimum" way for the parent nucleus to emit a particle!

I vaguely recall from Physics 303 a million years ago that it is an extremely stable nuclide but still couldn't answer with any certainty as to why it was preferable to emitting say just any number of nuclides with same proton-neutron numbers (i.e. an oxygen-16 nucleus etc...)

Any clarification possible?

Donald Lang replied:

First question first.  Charge is conserved. So the atom is left with two more electrons than belong to it. It also has enough momentum so that it probably collides with several other atoms almost immediately and there is considerable rearrangment.

A metal container full of Uranium is predicted to stay uncharged. If you can get rid of other radiations, it should be a fairly easy experiment....

The answer to the second question is that everything that is not forbidden is compulsory, but some compulsory things take longer... And so something else that is more compulsory happens first.  If you know the masses of the atoms (a study in itself) then you can compare the mass of say Uranium 238 with the sum of the masses of Thorium 234 and a helium atom. U238 is heavier, so in due time, which averages out in the billions of years, it splits that way. Hacking off a neutron or a proton by itself you have to add energy to get any known isotope with mass 237. It don't go. Not at all. Likewise a deuteron does not have enough binding energy to allow you to hack it out and leave anything of mass 236..

There is enough energy left over to make  it possible to split U238 into two atoms much lower in mass. The barrier  against this happening fast involves nuclear and electrostatic forces. It is compulsory in the long run but alpha emission is a lot faster. Spontaneous fission is one decay mode of Uranium 238.  Thorium 234 is heavier than Uranium 234. So the nucleus of Thorium 234 emits two electrons one after the other, and a few other things happen as well and you land up with Uranium 234, which needed those two electrons to balance out its charge..

That concludes our lesson on radioactivity. There will be a compulsory exam later today.


Ray queried:

Along with alpha particle emissions, aren't beta particles (electrons) also emitted?

If so, then the charge would be balanced back to neutral or base charge for the particular element involved.

Donald answered:

Nice try but not in the ball park.

In the various Uranium decay sequences there are alphas, betas and gammas, sometimes in competition. Charge balances are immediate. You can't wait for the next burp.

When a Uranium 238 has been gone long enough, all the daughters will also be gone. They  all have shorter half lives. So eventually there will be lead 206 with 82 electrons, eight helium atoms, each with two electrons,  and quite a lot of energy, mostly distributed in very small packets.

You can discover by simple arithmetic that there are now 98 electrons in place of the 92 on U238. So there must be six beta decays on any path from Go to Whoa. There will also be six neutrinos long gone from this earth.

The beta decays occasionally compete with possible alpha decays but most events on the chain involve nuclei that just do alpha decay or just do beta decay.

Emphatically --- Charge is conserved in each event. To avoid one simple question: In any nuclear process, in any observed physical process to date, the algebraic sum of the initial charges is the same as that algebraic sum after the event.

The statement includes beta decay. Emission of a negative electron involves leaving a nucleus with one extra positive charge. One negative emitted, one positive left behind: net effect no change in charge.

If you insist, I will admit that people are unlikely to conduct serious checks on charge conservation in routine nuclear work these days. Until someone gives a good reason otherwise, it is not an experiment that will be easy to get funded.


After an amusing digression involving President Bush and the Colliding Pants, originally published in The Onion, Kevin Phyland posted:


Yeah...I know that within a given alpha particle event charge is conserved. What I meant was, since the remaining nuclide is *now* charged and the positive charges (i.e. alpha particles) have headed off to other regions, what happens to the extant negative charge on the parent nuclide?

Consider: We have a (gedanken) blob of U-238...it undergoes alpha decay, produces lots (I know, half-life = long) of alpha particles...so now we have lots of negatively-charged U-234?

*If* this is the case, why don't the negatively-charged nuclides repel each other or (failing that theory) attract electrons from other atoms?

Sorry, I didn't really follow the original explanation(s)...He-4 is obviously the ejaculation of choice but what happens to the (I presume) IONS produced?

Donald Lang replied:

In our blob, as described below, the alphas set off as naked He 4 nuclei.  Rutherford and Co studied their history out in the open and found they could pick up and shed electrons until they came to rest, at which time they became He 4 atoms. Meanwhile the Th 90 /234 items left behind with 90 nuclear charges and atomic mass 234 have two electrons over and above their usual supply on hand. The atoms as a whole have each been given a jolt and push off in the opposite direction from their corresponding alphas.

Eventually they too come to rest and need 90 electrons to settle down. Each alpha picks up two electrons eventually. Each Th 234 sheds two from its nascent state. In a blob of Uranium metal the surplus electrons at one point will migrate to where the deficit occurs. Even in a large blob of some non conducting compound of Uranium surplus and deficit atoms are produced in equal quantities and should cancel out in quite small regions.

Hope the above helps