In regards to metric independence, this is NOT true! This concept will open up a whole NEW class of electrical machinery that correlates electromagnetism with gravity, and vice versa. The correlation is established here: http://www.intalek.com/Papers/HarvestEnergy.gif Energy just by itself is a space-time metric, and therefore, subject to change. See section 4: http://intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jbis_final.pdf Just by adjusting the "time stream" of a system, adjusts the energy of your system. The bogus assumption of the Maxwell Equations is that light is a constant. This is NOT the case when light travels through different media. Time is a physical property of this universe. Einstein failed to make the connection between electromagnetism and gravity. Mystery Spot physics reveals HOW this connection is established. Space-time engineering is the discipline. Bill > --- In greenglow@yahoogroups.com, Robert Neil Boyd > wrote: > Maxwell's equations, on which these so-called "metrics" > depend, do not depend on *any* kind of metric. Additionally, > the Maxwell equations appear to be valid at any dimensionality. > In my opinion, one ought to thereby dispense with the idea > of "metrics", since the basis itself does not require any metric. > > The 5-D Kaluza-Klien extensions of the Maxwell equations are elegant > examples of this. Ark's non-compactified version of Kaluza-Klein > theory is one of the best things going, in terms of understanding > the actual mechanics of this, and other, universes. The only theory > which is similar in scope is Tony Smith's "D4, D5, E6" Lie > algebra based conformal theory. > > Additionally, the Maxwell equations *presupposed*, and were predicated > on, the actual existence of a real and material "aether". Maxwell > himself > defined electrons as "vortices in the aether". > > And, I will reiterate that a density gradient of "aether" is > *indistinguishable* from any so-called "curved space". Thirdly, > I will reiterate that Einstein himself argued for more than 20 years, > until the day he died, that space could never be curved *locally*, > only in the topological sense, at universal scales. > > Of course, why should we listen to Einstein regarding the > "curvature of space"? What did he know? Why should we > ponder the fact that Einstein recanted on his expression > that there was no "aether", to the point that he later stated > that his expressions could never be considered valid if > there was no "aether"? Einstein made several attempts to > redefine was "aether" might actually be. Due to the dramatic > rise of quantum physics during that time, his expressions > were largely ignored by the mainstream, as they rushed to > embrace the new paradigms of QM. > > Most unfortunate... > > Neil > > > > Hossein Javadi wrote: > > > Dear Bill > > > > Greetings; > > I understand. > > But I think all these Metrics are not stable and they deppend to > each other. > > Also, gravity and energy do convert to each other and other metrics > do > > changes. > > > > Sincerely > > Hossein Javadi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Alek" > > To: > > Cc: "GREENGLOW EMAIL GROUP" ; "CPH EMAIL > GROUP" > > > > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:17 AM > > Subject: [antigrav] RE: [intalek] We never can see what it is > exactly!!! > > > > > > > Hossein, > > > > > > It doesn't "produce" the energy. I'm saying that energy is a > metric of > > > space-time, and can be curved just like volume can be curved. > > > > > > The metrics of space-time are: > > > 1. Volume > > > 2. Mass > > > 3. Frequency > > > 4. Gravity > > > 5. Time > > > 6. Energy > > > > > > See Hal Puthoff's "Blue Sky" section 4, The Space-Time Metric: > > > http://intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jbis_final.pdf > > > > > > This is precisely what the Mystery Spot does! It bends space- > time, or > > > modifies the K factor. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Hossein Javadi [mailto:javadi_hossein@h...] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:19 PM > > > > To: intalek@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: Re: [intalek] We never can see what it is exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bill > > > > > > > > Greetings; > > > > I agree you. > > > > How you do explain space time produces energy? > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Hossein Javadi > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "William Alek" > > > > To: > > > > Cc: "CPH EMAIL GROUP" ; "GREENGLOW > > > > EMAIL GROUP" > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:00 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [intalek] We never can see what it is exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hossein, > > > > > > > > > > ALL the space-time metrics are quantized including energy. > Everthing > > can > > > > > curve. However, it can ONLY curve in a very specific way. > Mystery Spot > > > > > physics reveals this way. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Hossein Javadi [mailto:javadi_hossein@h...] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:39 PM > > > > > > To: intalek@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [intalek] We never can see what it is > exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings; > > > > > > I agree you. If space does curve, then every thing in space > > > > must curved. > > > > > > Seems your idea is a relativity looking on space time, > exactly. > > > > > > However, I believe continiously of space time is its > problem. > > > > > > I Believe work is quantized. Because energy is quantized. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Hossein Javadi > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "William Alek" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:11 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [intalek] We never can see what it is > exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hossein, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should also mention that its NOT just space that can > curve in > > > > > > regards to > > > > > > > geometry. All of the space-time metrics curve which > include volume > > > > > > > (geometry), mass, frequency, gravity, time and MY > favorite, > > energy. > > > > Yes, > > > > > > > energy CAN be curved. This is the so-called "secret" to > free > > > > > > energy - that > > > > > > > energy can actually be curved. This curvature can be > inward like > > the > > > > > > Mystery > > > > > > > Spot, or it can curve outward, which Kowsky and Frost > > > > > > demonstrated over 80 > > > > > > > years ago. Its this curvature where gravity and > > > > > > electromagnetism "couple". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, this is such a simple concept that very FEW people > can > > grasp > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Hossein Javadi [mailto:javadi_hossein@h...] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:56 AM > > > > > > > > To: intalek@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [intalek] We never can see what it is > exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings; > > > > > > > > graviton) > > > > > > is absorbed > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > matter creating mass.> > > > > > > > > I agree you. It is a grand sound. > > > > > > > > Also, I believe graviton absorbs by graviton creating > energy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > absorption of the > > > > > > > > graviton,...> > > > > > > > > I agree you. By according CPH Theory other case is that > gravity > > > > > > > > does absorb > > > > > > > > energy/mass and energy/mass converts to gravity force. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > Hossein Javadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "William Alek" > > > > > > > > To: "GREENGLOW EMAIL GROUP" ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 6:32 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [intalek] We never can see what it is > exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hossein, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is next section I want to add to my GMF book. The > > > > > > > > fundamental concept > > > > > > > > > is that space-time (i.e. graviton) is absorbed by > matter > > > > > > > > creating mass. In > > > > > > > > > other words, mass is a property of space-time > interactions > > with > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > is consistant with Newtonain gravity, which is very > similar to > > > > > > > > the Casimir > > > > > > > > > effect. A blackhole, for example, would have almost > complete > > > > > > > > absorption of > > > > > > > > > the graviton, therefore, the "force", or "pressure of > > > > > > > > space-time" would be > > > > > > > > > pushing down on the blackhole. It should be possible > to > > > > > > calculate this > > > > > > > > > force? This is the force of space-time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could this surface area that space-time acts upon be > > > > > > imaginary for an > > > > > > > > > electron? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: Hossein Javadi [mailto:javadi_hossein@h...] > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > To: intalek@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [intalek] We never can see what it is > > exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings; > > > > > > > > > > Maye. I will explain relationship between force and > energy > > > > > > > > > > without attend to > > > > > > > > > > its magnitude in this time. I know you never talk > without > > any > > > > > > > > evidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > > > Hossein Javadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "William Alek" > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: intalek@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [intalek] We never can see what it is > > exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:46:44 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hossein, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Time or gravity can be thought of as "force". I > suspect > > > > > > this force > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > >extremely great - many many orders of magnitude of > newtons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Hossein Javadi > [mailto:javadi_hossein@h...] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > To: intalek@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [intalek] We never can see what it is > > exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never can see what it is exactly!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose there is a picture on the wall. You are > seeing > > it. > > > > Are > > > > > > > > > > > > you able seeing it, exactly? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answer is no. Cause gravitational field does > effect on > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > > > then the frequency of light changes. Light with > > > > frequency f > > > > > > > > > > > > leaves the picture. Suppose picture is at high h > > relative > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > eyes. Frequency that reaches to your eyes given > with > > > > relation; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > f '=f (1+gh/c*2) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We know color is the affect of frequency on our > > > > eyes. Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > relation between objects in the picture > depended to > > > > > > frequencies > > > > > > > > > > > > that reach to our eyes, and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can give same explain for sky, stars and > universe. > > When > > > > we > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > able explain nature exactly, that we do attend > to > > > > affect of > > > > > > > > > > > > gravity on light. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact universe is space-force, and it is not > > > > > > space-time. 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