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By the way the Messiah is clearly not born from a virgin, "Alma" means Young women. More?

 

IsaOne11to18 (11 months ago) Show Hide

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Alma is the word for a chaste (pure) young woman, unmarried or married, without children. The word betulah (virgin) was only used of unmarried women, so that would not be suitable here. When the Rabbis translated the T'nach into Greek (Called the Septuagint) they had no trouble choosing the Greek word "Parthenos" which means virgin. The verse in Isaiah 7 was talking about the coming Messiah; a sign to the House of David. What kind of sign is a woman birthing a baby in an ordinary way?

 

 

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DesmondXIV (11 months ago) Show Hide

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You are treated harshly in Israel because you are attempting to do with from within what Hitler tried to do with gas - destroy the Jewish nation.

Statistics show that Jews who convert and become "completed Jews" lose any semblence of Jewishness within two generations. Most Messianic Jews aren't even born-Jews, anyway.

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We are the nation of Israel; Jews, Christians, Arabs, etc.! How do you define "Jewishness"? Whose statistics are you quoting? There are a 100 different definitions. Jews come from all cultures & nations: just because completed Jews do not fit into your tiny box of ideals doesn't mean that God isn't pleased with them. Most Messianics I know are great citizens & supporters of the State of Israel. They serve in the army & volunteer their time helping all kinds of people, BUILDING ISRAEL.

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I use the same definition of Jewishness used by the State of Israel and that's been used by Jewish communities since time immemorial- that is, you're a Jew if you're mother was a Jew or if you formally convert.

Of course you can find plenty of obscure denominations who claim that they are the true "Jews". From Christian Identity to Native Americans to Messianics.

If I wear a turban it doesn't make me an Arab. If a christian celebrates Pessach it doesn't make him a Jew.

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You don't know your history. "If your mother is a Jew, the baby is a Jew" is a relatively recent ruling by the Rabbis which came from the Middle Ages. For 1000's of years prior to that, it was the father. Blood comes from the father, not a drop from the mother. Ruth, a gentile, was the grandmother of King David. There is a question RE the genealogy of Bathsheba, mother of King Solomon. Both Kings are considered Jewish by God. Return to the original relationship offered by God to the WHOLE WORLD.

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Matrileneal descent is by no means recent. By most estimates, it was officially adopted during the Second Temple Period during the Roman Occupation as a way to cope with the increasing intermarriages. Although you're right in that there is evidence in the Torah for both patri and matrilineal descent, there needed to be a line drawn somewhere.

By the way, Ruth is considered a convert, not a gentile.

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1. Ruth is evidence of God's grace; The Lord said a Moabite may not be accepted into the congregation of the Lord even unto the 10th generation, yet she was accepted. Conversion back then was simply a matter of verbally stating that you are accepting the God of Israel. No Rabbis to express disapproval.
2. A true genealogy kept in the Temple did not mention women at all. In Luke 3, even Y'shua's genealogy wrote down the name of Mary's father but not her name, in accordance with Priestly rules.

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3. The genealogy in Matthew 1 was given to show that Joseph was not the father of Y'shua and it mentioned women's names to stress that fact. Then in verse 18, the account of the virgin birth of Mesiah Y'shua is given. This is the sign to the House of David that was promised in Isaiah 7. Both Mary and Joseph were of the tribe of Judah, but he came from Solomon's line and she came from Natan, also a son of David. Ruth was an ancestor of them both. God's loving grace at work!

 

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paigeylaroo (9 months ago) Show Hide

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The genealogy of Jesus in Matthew is meaningless if his father was G-d.

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It was given to show that Joseph is not the father of Jesus. The term 14 generations is used 3 times. The number 14 spells the name of David. It is emphasizing that Jesus is the promised seed of David who will rule forever. It is a Jewish riddle and the answer to the riddle is given in verse 18: the virgin birth. By the way, Hebrew numbers use Hebrew letters so the numbers sometimes spell names and items, hence 14 = David.

 

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