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By the way the Messiah is clearly not born from a virgin,
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You are treated harshly in
Statistics show that Jews who convert and become "completed Jews"
lose any semblence of Jewishness
within two generations. Most Messianic Jews aren't even born-Jews, anyway.
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We are the nation
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I use the same definition of Jewishness
used by the State of Israel and that's been used by
Jewish communities since time immemorial- that is, you're a Jew if you're
mother was a Jew or if you formally convert.
Of course you can find plenty of obscure denominations who claim that they are the true "Jews". From
Christian Identity to Native Americans to Messianics.
If I wear a turban it doesn't make me an Arab. If a christian celebrates Pessach
it doesn't make him a Jew.
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You don't know
your history. "If your mother is a Jew, the baby is a Jew" is a
relatively recent ruling by the Rabbis which came from the Middle
Ages. For 1000's of years prior to that, it was the father. Blood comes from
the father, not a drop from the mother. Ruth, a gentile, was the grandmother of
King David. There is a question RE the genealogy of Bathsheba, mother of King Solomon. Both Kings are considered Jewish by God. Return
to the original relationship offered by God to the WHOLE WORLD.
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Matrileneal descent is by
no means recent. By most estimates, it was officially adopted during the Second
Temple Period during the Roman Occupation as a way to cope with the increasing
intermarriages. Although you're right in that there is evidence in the Torah
for both patri and matrilineal descent, there needed
to be a line drawn somewhere.
By the way, Ruth is considered a convert, not a
gentile.
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1. Ruth is evidence of God's grace; The Lord said a Moabite may
not be accepted into the congregation of the Lord even unto the 10th
generation, yet she was accepted. Conversion back then was simply a matter of
verbally stating that you are accepting the God of Israel. No Rabbis to express
disapproval.
2. A true genealogy kept in the
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3. The genealogy
in Matthew 1 was given to show that Joseph was not the father of Y'shua and it
mentioned women's names to stress that fact. Then in verse 18, the account of
the virgin birth of Mesiah Y'shua is given. This is
the sign to the House of David that was promised in Isaiah 7. Both Mary and
Joseph were of the tribe of
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The genealogy of Jesus in Matthew is meaningless if his
father was G-d.
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It was given to
show that Joseph is not the father of Jesus. The term 14 generations is used 3
times. The number 14 spells the name of David. It is emphasizing that Jesus is
the promised seed of David who will rule forever. It is a Jewish riddle and the
answer to the riddle is given in verse 18: the virgin birth. By the way, Hebrew
numbers use Hebrew letters so the numbers sometimes spell
names and items, hence 14 = David.
Eddie’s comments: Bam! Three
down! Flaws in their doctrine! What else are we right about? Got them thinking! Signs and Wonders! This is a rough crowd!