C14Doc: do think that I am an immoral person?
This discussion started prior to this, but it was mostly the "where ya from, what are ya in school for" shit. First, he pissed me off by asking me if I wore all black clothes and dark makeup and stuff. (WTF?!) I guess the current xian mentality is "atheism=goth." I don't know. I refrained from retaliating with a remark about white robes, etc...Then he starts talking about how people are destined to be immoral without religion. So, I started...
D*: umm.........no
D*: but if u tried to teach your "beliefs" that the consequence would be immoral ppl
C14Doc: teaching people that god doesn't exist doesn't teach people to be immoral....teaching people to kill each other (etc.) makes people immoral
D*: hmmmm..ummmm....no
C14Doc: you can teach people that there is no god, but that doesn't make it right to harm your fellow man
D*: that doesnt go hand in hand
C14Doc: you don't have to have religion or god to be a moral person
D*: most ppl do
C14Doc: I don't believe in god or any religion, and yet I do not run around lying, cheating, stealing, or killing
C14Doc: in fact....
D*: but thats you..........
C14Doc: I have been a volunteer at an animal shelter, I coach a little league soccer team, and I am a peer tutor
C14Doc: I consider myself to be a good person
D*: but wouldnt it be great if you would be thanked by God by going to HEaven
D*: isnt that a prettier picture
C14Doc: when one person wants to hurt another person, then he becomes immoral
C14Doc: yeah, just like "Santa" was a nice idea
C14Doc: WHEN I WAS 5
D*: ahh well
C14Doc: I've just abandoned the idealism and "security blanket" that goes along with Santa, The Easter Bunny, and GOD
D*: well i will have to overlook that statement
C14Doc: lol
C14Doc: sorry, I let the big bad Logic demon out
D*: no, u let the big bad "whatever makes my life easier" demon out
C14Doc: you think that not believing makes life easier?
D*n: yep]
C14Doc: how so? because I don't live in fear of god?
D*: because u live knowing that there are no reprocussions outside of human laws
C14Doc: actually, I don't know if I would call it easier....with atheism, you actually have to think for yourself (wow!) and you accept that there are some things that we just don't know yet
D*: let me see if i buy that....ummmm...no
C14Doc: xianity creates this "don't worry, god will help you" idealism, and I think that's probably a lot easier
C14Doc: having someone think for you
C14Doc: what do you mean you don't "buy" that? that's what atheism is. a lack of belief in god(s)
D*: i just cant find myself to even fathom your hopeless beliefs
C14Doc: hopeless?
D*: yep
C14Doc: just because I don't live my life like some invisible being in the sky thinks I should that makes me "hopeless" ?
D*: i would have to say.......YEP
D*: sorry no offense
C14Doc: heh...too late
C14Doc: so, because I don't waste my life praying to something I can't see....and because I don't live my life for some false messiah that the Romans tacked up....I'm hopeless
D*: o oh!
C14Doc: heh, that's funny, lol
D*: well i guess i will take your comments in stride
C14Doc: lol, I'm sorry, guess you can't handle this whole evil "thinking" process
D*: not yet anyways
C14Doc: LOL
C14Doc: and with that, I go to lunch...
D*: hehe........u go to lunch........have a good one