I AM SITTING HERE EATING JELLY BEANS
AND THINKING ABOUT THE EVENTS OF THE
LAST FEW DAYS. BEFORE I LET MY ANGER
TAKE OVER LET ME MENTION THAT YESTERDAY
I SPENT A WONDERFUL DAY AT THE MUSEUM
AND I AM SURE I WILL WRITE ABOOUT IT
LATER. OK ONTO MY RANT...
2 DAYS AGO I WAS KICKED OFF OF THE
POETRY E-MAIL GROUP THAT I WAS A PART
OF FOR DEFENDING A MAGAZINE CALLED "BIG
BROTHER SKATEBORDING " I HAVE NEVER EVEN
SEEN THIS MAGAZINE ...I WROTE A LETTER
TO MY FRIEND MARY ABOUT IT THAT I WILL
POST HERE JUST SO I DON'T HAVE TO
TYPE IT ALL AGAIN , AND ... EVERY TIME I
TELL IT I AM SURE THAT IT GETS MORE
EXAGGERATED....
Ok let me start from the begining before I
send you all that junk...
This poetry list is discribed by the
list administrator as a say what you want
poetry and discussion group. Every time
something is posted on it that dosn't fit
the topic SHE jumps to their defense and says
that it is an anything goes group
and that we are all adults so basically if
you don't like it, to bad ...
The other day she posted a message
called a serious note from... , on it she
highly reccomended an article and stated that
it was important because it was in the name
of protecting the wee ones we call kids ...
The article refered to a probably pretty much
disgusting magazine and told parents to
beware because it was aimed at 10-14 year
olds .... then at the end of the article it
asks parents to go to the managers of stores
and ask that the magazine be taken off the
shelve....
Ok that is the part that pissed me off
and I posted a message back , full of
appologies and addmittance that it was an
extreme view and not an intended attack on
any one person but that I was surprised to
find that sort of thing on a poetry news
group ....in a later post I described my
reaction to it being similar to a library
hosting a book burning.... and at the end of
my letter I asked for other oppinions on the
matter ...
I got a few posts from other people
most saying the magazine was filth and should
be removed .... and so I responded with has
anyone seen this magazine before jumping on
the band wagon and asking for it's
removal.... No one had .... I did a little
research on the mag and found that saying the
magazine was aimed at 10 year olds was a
gross exaggeration it was a skate boarding
humor magazine aimed at teen age "thrashers"
:) ... some of the content was alarming and
in bad taste but clearly legal and not at
all what the article presented it as ....
I was ready to drop it at this point but SHE
just got more and more extreme and at one
point later in this debate when I used my
line this seems to be like a library hosting
a book burning she responded by saying if
to save the children she would burn down
every library ... and I responded with the
sentiment that I am not against children
but I believe in the protection of their
future and their freedom of speach when they
become an adult and that I thought it was
more damaging to call for a recall of a legal
magazine from the shelves (because it set a
bad president) than the content of any one
single magazine....
none of this was as heated as it sounds I was
appologetic thoughout and quite respectful
if anything .... Finally SHE posted a
little monologue about freedoms and how she
had a right to put that post on "her " poetry
group (something that I did not dispute ) and
how everyone was free and .... free to
leave basically if they felt the group was
not suitable for them ... and so I
responded asking if that was a subtle
invition for me to leave ...and then wrapped
up with appologies again saying I stood by
my content but appologized if it went to far
or seemed like an attack.... I had resolved
to not post another thing about it but .... I
wasn't given an option .... when I attempted
to post a piece of poetry the next day I was
told by an automated message that I was
removed from the list ... there had been no
previous warning and no one contacted me
telling me that I was no longer welcome I was
simply shut out ... So I sent HER an E-mail
saying I felt I had been treated poorly and
her approach lacked maturity ... she sent
me one back saying I went to far with the
argument and she gave me every oppertunity to
stop ...but in reality she had more posts on
the subject than I did and not once did she
call for an end of discussion.... and it was
a fucking discussion group and that what
those are made for ...
apparently she had been loosing members ...
she says it was due to off topic quotes but
that is laughable since she allowed and
supported the right for promotional
spamming and there had been other "attacking
" e-mail posted specifically by her friend
that had driven people from the list before.
I think possibly they left the group when she
suggested burning down all the libraries in
the world ... but that could just be me
....
Basically it is another case of someone
calling themselves a liberal saying that they
support free speach (or as SHE said I fight
for freedom of speach harder than anyone )
and then backing down when it is inconvient
.... which is fine I guess but then I wish
they at least had the balls to see that they
wern't as open minded as they thought.
Conservative or Liberal is fine with me but
i am going to make damn sure that anything I
say I can stand behind ... and if I am
hypocrytical ...which everyone is at one
point or another I want to be able to see
that ... So much harm has been done in the
world in the name of decency and protection
.... and there is not one person out there
that has the same definition of reasonable so
I say especially when it comes to children
the parents should carry that burden ... Like
a kid I use to baby sit for at the age of
12 he was not allowed to look at a picture of
the David ...HE.....LOL I thought that that
was nearly criminal but still accept that
it is a parents right and wouldn't force my
standards on them even if I thought that
their child was shamelfully unexposed to
life...
Ok this whole thing just pissed me off
and I think what bugs me most is the
gutless way it was done .... There were quite
a few writers on the list that I enjoyed
reading and i enjoyed having a place to post
.... now I am not sure if it is worth
looking for another poetry group...
ok that is why i was kicked out :) xxxoooxxx
Love you guys :)
hehhe look at how firery I can be :) I have
tomorrow off so I will write you both some
real e-mail :) I dodn't think joe and I are
leaving the house "cause we're broke