National Campaign for Firework Safety

in Parliament 2002, part One, to May 28th


8 January 2002


Control of Fireworks


3.30 pm
Mr. Barry Gardiner (Brent, North):
I beg to move,
That leave be given to bring in a Bill to make provision with respect to the sale and use of fireworks; and for connected purposes.
I am by no means the first Member to seek to introduce legislation such as this. I pay tribute to my hon. Friends the Members for Enfield, North (Joan Ryan), for Plymouth, Sutton (Linda Gilroy), for Motherwell and Wishaw (Mr. Roy) and for Lincoln (Gillian Merron). I pay particular tribute to my hon. and good Friend the Member for Harrow, East (Mr. McNulty). We share a constituency border, and in our campaign against the abuse of fireworks we have always shared a common cause.
I also pay tribute to the campaigning work done over many years by the hon. Member for Rochford and Southend, East (Sir T. Taylor). He is proof that it is possible for Members in all parts of the House to join in support of sensible and much-needed social change, whatever other political differences they may have.
Let me also apologise to the 36 Members whom my office welcomed as sponsors of the Bill when they telephoned, before the Public Bill Office explained that there was a limit of 12. I am sure that they will find ways of expressing their support on another occasion.
A little over two years ago, on 8 December 1999, I had the good fortune to secure an Adjournment debate on the subject of fireworks. That good fortune appears to have rubbed off on the Minister who replied, for she is now Secretary of State for the entire Department--the Department of Trade and Industry, that is. I trust that my right hon. Friend will not consider me unduly pedantic if I seek today to remind her officials of some of the undertakings and opinions that she gave on that occasion.
First, let me set out the reasons why I consider my Bill to be necessary. It may surprise Members to learn that the law allows a private individual to take delivery of 20 tonnes of fireworks--indeed, of any quantity, unlimited--and to store them for up to 14 days, with no obligation to notify a competent authority and with no official record being required. Nor is the firework company under any obligation to ensure that the person taking delivery is competent to handle such an enormous amount of explosives. There is no licence and no registration; there is only a rather loose insistence that the fireworks be kept in a safe and suitable place.
The Explosives Act 1875, which permits this monstrous state of affairs, does not define what a safe and suitable place might be, but if it did the definition would now almost certainly be obsolete. Firework technology has moved on somewhat in the 137 years since the Act received Royal Assent. We are subject to inadequate and archaic legislation that leaves the public at substantial risk.
When I raised the issue with the Secretary of State, as she now is, in 1999, she reassured me by saying:
"the Health and Safety Executive is reviewing existing explosives legislation and the review may result in changes to existing conditions for the keeping of fireworks for private use. I shall ensure that my hon. Friend is kept up to date as the review progresses."--[Official Report, Westminster Hall, 8 December 1999; Vol. 340, c. 271WH.]
The HSE review ended on Friday 18 February 2000. Now, nearly two years later, the HSE's report has yet to be published. How long it would take for any of its recommendations to be implemented is a matter that I leave to the House's conjecture.
I am happy to acknowledge that in 1997 the new Labour Government passed the Fireworks (Safety) Regulations, as set out in SI 2294. All fireworks sold to the general public must comply with those regulations and must accord with British standard 7114. The minimum age for purchasing fireworks was rightly raised from 16 to 18 years and various powerful fireworks such as maroons-in-mortar, aerial shells, aerial maroons and those fireworks of erratic flight such as helicopters, squibs and jumping jacks were all banned from public supply.
In my previous debate, I congratulated the then Minister on the fact that those measures had resulted in an immediate 26 per cent. drop in the number of injuries requiring hospital treatment to 908 in 1997. However, that positive trend was reversed in 1999, pushing the figure up to 1,056. My right hon. Friend's successor, the Under-Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, my hon. Friend the Member for Welwyn Hatfield (Miss Johnson), replying to my hon. Friend the Member for Enfield, North in October last year, took comfort in the idea that the blip could be accounted for by the millennium celebrations, which had pushed the volume of sales up. Unfortunately, my hon. Friend's logic was flawed, because although the subsequent year saw a drop of 8 per cent. to 972 injuries, the drop in the volume of sales was 30 per cent, so, proportionately, the number of injuries was much higher. There was also a substantial rise in the number of injuries to those aged between 13 and 15
The Under-Secretary also remarked that the voluntary code of practice whereby the industry restricts sales to the public to a three-week period around 5 November, though not perfect, "has generally worked well." Those of us who have been campaigning for many years for better controls on fireworks know that that is a unique code in the sense that it is distinguished by being more often broken than observed. My constituents have been subjected to a constant unabated barrage of fireworks from early October of last year through to the new year. They do not find the idea that the voluntary code has "worked well" laughable, but they certainly find it ridiculous.
The Under-Secretary stated:
"No fireworks may be sold to anyone under 18 years of age. That rule is also enforced by the trading standards department. Those who break the rules are subject to prosecution."
Those words caused nothing but despair to many at trading standards, who comment wryly:
"There never has been a maximum penalty imposed, or a custodial sentence . . . the penalties tend to be at the lower end of the scale and it is arguable over whether such a penalty is viewed as a deterrent at all."
The point is that there is no power under current legislation to revoke a vendor's registration. What is required, and what trading standards has repeatedly asked for, is a proper system of licensing that would enable it to enforce the laws and ensure that such a sanction applied to those traders who flout the regulations. My Bill will provide that.
On 27 October last year, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals received a telephone call from a parent whose small son had been traumatised by seeing a cat blown up by a firework on the school playing field. When the RSPCA went to inspect, it found the dismembered leg of a dog nearby. One child was traumatised. Two animals were dead. That was just one incident. Three days later the Under-Secretary stated:
"Legislation also deals with distress to any domestic or captive animal, under the Protection of Animals Act 1911."
My hon. Friend called that
"a legal underpinning for effective action".--[Official Report, Westminster Hall, 30 October 2001; Vol. 373, c. 232-34WH.]

"The Fireworks Bill--a private Member's Bill promoted by my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Sutton (Mrs. Gilroy)--would have introduced many sensible additions to the regulatory package now in place for the control of fireworks. The Government supported her Bill, and I greatly regret that two Conservative Members chose to talk it out. It would have given the necessary powers to provide for mandatory training of people who operate large public displays. It would have dealt with the times during which fireworks could be sold--now purely a matter for the industry's voluntary code of practice--and provided powers to limit the letting off of fireworks except at specified times. These problems cannot be tackled under the current powers available to us".
Those are not my words, although I agree with every one of them. They are the words of the current Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when she replied to my debate two years ago. She concluded by saying
"It is a pity that that private Member's Bill failed. I hope that in a future private Members' ballot, any hon. Member who has an interest in this issue will succeed in reviving the Bill."--[Official Report, Westminster Hall, 8 December 1999; Vol. 340, c. 271-72WH.]
My Bill does precisely that. It builds on the work of my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Sutton. It revives her Bill and it would bring enormous relief to thousands of people in constituencies around the country where fireworks are no longer enjoyed but loathed and dreaded.
Given the words of the Secretary of State that I have just quoted, I trust that I have her support.

Mr. Robert Key (Salisbury): I rise to oppose the Bill, for reasons that I shall explain. First, let me say how delighted I am that the hon. Member for Brent, North (Mr. Gardiner) has raised this issue.
I oppose the Bill for two reasons. First, I do not like banning things without extremely good reason. As a Conservative, I believe in more, rather than less, freedom, and I certainly do not like banning things unless I am certain that the legislation will work, which this Bill will not. Secondly, I represent in my constituency the excellent organisation Pipedown, the campaign for freedom from piped music, which has asked me to raise this issue in the House. The honorary secretary wrote to me saying:
"I myself have always loved fireworks, but they have become, over the years, bigger and noisier and are let off far, far more frequently, almost all the year, so needlessly upsetting small children, animals and people who just want to sleep."
I agree.
My constituent Caroline Currie of Salisbury wrote to me in these terms:
"Firework nuisance. Right that's it. I started to write this letter on Sunday 11th November, the eleventh night in a row that enormous echoing bangs have sent my cat flying downstairs in terror to hide under the dresser. During the small hours of Friday 9th November I was awakened by two explosions. Are we at war? We know we are, and that is all the more reason to control this increasing menace . . . It's the noise I object to; nobody grudges children the sparklers and catherine wheels."
The existing regulations are quite draconian. All fireworks have to meet British standard 7114. Fireworks are protected under the Consumer Protection Act 1987, the Firework (Safety) Regulations 1997 and the General Product Safety Regulations 1994. In addition, the importation of fireworks can only be authorised by the Health and Safety Executive pursuant to the Placing on the Market and Supervision of Transfers of Explosives Regulations 1993.
The use of fireworks by the public is regulated by the Explosives Act 1875 as modified by the Control of Explosives Regulations 1991 and as amended by the Explosives (Age of Purchase) Act 1976 and the Consumer Protection Act 1987.
All the examples that the hon. Gentleman gave could be covered by amendments to existing legislation. His proposals will change nothing, not even cruelty to animals, which is an important issue.
The hon. Gentleman's main proposals should be seen in perspective. First, public displays are not the problem. Storage of fireworks is already controlled under existing legislation. The hon. Gentleman's proposals on public displays will not prevent the abuse of people's privacy and quiet.
Secondly, the hon. Gentleman wants the Government to restrict the times of year at which fireworks can be bought. Great! On 4 November people will stock up with fireworks for the year. Nor do I wish to be a spoilsport. I love seeing fireworks all the year round--at birthday parties and celebrations for all sorts of very good reasons. It is only the British that celebrate 5 November; the rest of the world has fireworks all the year round. People just have a different approach.
Can hon. Members imagine statutory instruments deciding the times of year when people can set off fireworks, as the hon. Gentleman proposes? They would have to vary from summer to winter and between Land's End and John O'Groats according to the daylight hours.
The licensing of vendors would not control the main problem, which is noise. People object to the volume of explosions. Old people loathe it, especially if they are hard of hearing. Children loathe it, as do shift workers and night workers. Of course, so do cats and dogs. The hon. Gentleman has given us examples of that. Vets will confirm the distress caused to animals.
Last Saturday I was with a group of farmers on Salisbury Plain. We were not just taking the air; I admit that there was a certain amount of noise involved in our activities. The farmers said that they, too, think that the noise of modern fireworks is distressing to their cattle and sheep, and above all to their hens. Those farmers farm around the Salisbury Plain military training area. The Royal Artillery can fire tanks and guns; the Royal Air Force can fly over the Hercules; Boscombe Down can fly out its Tornadoes from the Empire test pilots school and the Army Air Corps can fly its helicopters--but set off a firework in Amesbury and Richard Crook's hens stop laying.
On 26 November 2001, the Under-Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, the hon. Member for Welwyn Hatfield (Miss Johnson), said that the Government
"have no plans to ban the sale of fireworks to the general public."
Quite right. She also said:
"The Fireworks (Safety) Regulations 1997 prohibit from sale to the public several types of noisy category 3 fireworks such as aerial shells and restrict the size of others. We will, of course, consider any representations that are made."--[Official Report, 26 November 2001; Vol.375 , c. 672W.]
The key to the problem is to amend existing regulations. We all agree that fireworks have become too noisy and that the bangs are too big. Constituents who write to us and talk to us in the streets say that they are concerned about the noise.
If the Government were concerned about safety they would have a different attitude. No one disagrees that too many people are injured by fireworks, but the regulation proposed in the Bill is preposterous. There is a mass of legislation that could be suitably amended. With a simple statutory instrument, the Government could resolve the noise problem.
Noise is the main problem. It is not dealt with by the Bill, and that is why I oppose it.
Question put, pursuant to Standing Order No. 23 (Motions for leave to bring in Bills and nomination of Select Committees at commencement of public business, and agreed to.
Bill ordered to be brought in by Mr. Barry Gardiner, Linda Gilroy, Linda Perham, Mr. Harry Barnes, Sir Teddy Taylor, Shona McIsaac, Siobhain McDonagh, Dr. Nick Palmer, Joan Ryan, Ross Cranston, Mr. Martin Salter, John Barrett.

Control of Fireworks

Mr. Barry Gardiner accordingly presented a Bill to make provision with respect to the sale and use of fireworks; and for connected purposes: And the same was read the First time; and ordered to be read a Second time on Friday 15 March, and to be printed [Bill 78].


Correspondence

David Winnick: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when he will reply to the letter from the hon. Member for Walsall, North of 15 November regarding fireworks. [24358]

Miss Melanie Johnson: I replied to my hon. Friend on 19 December 2001.


9 January 2002

Prime Minister's Questions

Joan Ryan (Enfield, North): Just four weeks ago, on 12 December, 13-year-old Martin Lamparter, who lived and went to school in my constituency, died in a tragic accident involving fireworks. His family are absolutely devastated. In the light of that terrible loss of a young life and the almost 1,000 firework-related injuries that occur each year, would the Prime Minister look again at whether the legislation that allows the retail sale of fireworks is adequate, and whether further measures could be taken to protect the public, especially young people, from the dangers that fireworks present?

The Prime Minister:
The risks associated with fireworks are very clear, as my hon. Friend says. Once the Government have the full statistics and the results of the survey of firework accidents that have occurred this year, we will certainly consider whether any changes are necessary. As a result of action that has been taken over many years, we have succeeded in reducing the number of accidents significantly, but if something remains to be done, once we have completed the survey and done the analysis of what changes need to be put in place, we will change the system even further.


15 January 2002

Fireworks

Mr. Weir: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if she will make it her policy to break down the figures for injuries caused by fireworks by type of firework. [26667]

Miss Melanie Johnson
[holding answer 11 January 2002]: The annual data analysis currently details the types of fireworks involved in accidents as reported by patients who attend Accident and Emergency Department.


16 January 2002

Fireworks

11. Mr. Gardiner: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland if he will make a statement on the sale and use of fireworks in Northern Ireland. [25603]

Jane Kennedy:
Having become increasingly aware of the many problems associated with the misuse of fireworks, not least in public order situations, I announced on 12 October 2001 that my officials, working closely with the police, prosecuting authorities and other interested bodies, would be undertaking a review of the situation to see if these problems could be resolved by strengthening the existing law.
That review should be completed within the next two months and it is my intention to produce proposals for public consultation.


21 January 2002


Fireworks

Tony Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry how many injuries involving fireworks have been reported since 1 September 2001; and if she will make a statement. [29393]

Miss Melanie Johnson: Figures from accident and emergency departments for the 2001 firework period are not yet available. We will publish the figures as soon as possible.


22 January 2002

Fireworks

Mr. Lazarowicz: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry how many representations she received from (a) hon. Members and (b) members of the public concerning the use, misuse and sale of fireworks between (i) 1 October and 31 December 1999, (ii) 1 January and 30 September 2000, (iii) 1 October and 31 December 2000 and (iv) 1 January and 30 September 2001. [26699]

Miss Melanie Johnson:
The representations received by the Department over these periods, concerning a wide range of issues relating to fireworks is set out in the following table:

 
   
     
   
 
     
 

23 January 2002

Identity Card

Dr. Nick Palmer (Broxtowe): "I beg to move,
That leave be given to bring in a Bill to provide for an identity card for British residents; and for connected purposes.
We are all aware of the gruesome fate that awaits most ten-minute rule Bills. This Bill is intended as a pilot for any potential future Government legislation.
I am seeking to promote a serious debate that goes beyond the relatively superficial matters covered in some previous discussions. However, I pay tribute to the serious discussion that has taken place..........
Why is the Bill needed? The main objectives are to reduce low-level crime and disorder, to help prevent inappropriate purchase--of alcohol or fireworks, for instance--and to discourage all fraud based on impersonation. Such fraud includes benefit fraud and electoral fraud.
The Bill contains four main provisions............"


Written Questions for Answer on Thursday 24 January 2002

157  Mark Tami (Alyn & Deeside): To ask the Secretary of State for Health, how many firework-related injuries were treated by hospitals during the Christmas and New Year period.

200 Mark Tami (Alyn & Deeside): To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department, how many people were charged with offences relating to the misuse of fireworks in the last six months.
(30269)

201 Mark Tami (Alyn & Deeside): To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department, how many complaints were received by each police force in the UK relating to firework incidents during the Christmas and New Year period.


31 January 2002

The Leader of the House

Shona McIsaac (Cleethorpes): Given that the 400th anniversary of the gunpowder plot will occur in 2005, will my right hon. Friend consider commemorating that anniversary by restricting the sale of explosives in the form of fireworks to the general public, as has been eloquently articulated in early-day motions 346, 419 and 682, which have been signed by many hon. Members from both sides of the House. The first of them reads:
[That this House notes the increasing nuisance caused by reckless and dangerous use of fireworks, and that the sale of fireworks is taking place for many weeks before 5th November; further notes that the 400th anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot will occur in 2005; and believes that before that date the Government should bring forward legislation better to regulate and restrict the sale of fireworks.]

Mr. Cook:
I am fully aware of the deep concern in the House about the sale of fireworks and the importance of ensuring that they are properly regulated and that there is proper safety for our constituents. We all know of local cases where things have gone tragically wrong. I will convey my hon. Friend's remarks to the appropriate Secretary of State to ensure that we consider all that can done. I am not entirely sure that it would be wise to start to plan now for a big event to celebrate the gunpowder plot in 2005; some people could probably think of ways to celebrate it that the House would not wish to encourage.

Fireworks

Mr. Weir: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what plans she has to record the number of incidents and nature of damage to property caused by different types of fireworks. [26666]

Miss Melanie Johnson
[holding answer 11 January 2002]: We have no plans. Damage to property is a matter for the Home Office.


1 February 2002

Fireworks

Mark Tami: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) how many people were charged with offences relating to the misuse of fireworks in the last six months; [30269]
(2) how many complaints were received by each police force in the UK relating to firework incidents during the Christmas and new year period. [30268]

Mr. Denham:
The available information, from the Home Office Court Proceedings Database, relating to England and Wales for 2000 is shown in the table. These data show persons proceeded against for offences where it is possible to identify specific firework misuse. Statistics for 2001 are not yet available.
Information held centrally does not enable offences involving personal injury or damage to property from fireworks to be identified, as the circumstances behind any offence are not collected.
No information is collected centrally on complaints received by police forces relating to firework incidents.

 
   
     
   
 
     
 

(1) These data are on a principal offence basis.
(2) Staffordshire police force were only able to submit sample data for persons proceeded against and convicted in the magistrates courts for the year 2000. Although sufficient to estimate higher orders of data these data are not robust at a detailed level and have been excluded from this table.


11 February 2002

PETITION

Fireworks

5.3 pm
Mr. Harry Barnes (North-East Derbyshire):
I wish to present a petition about the use and abuse of fireworks.
There are problems in north-east Derbyshire and surrounding areas that affect vulnerable people such as children and the elderly, and also affect animals. The petition is particularly concerned with the impact on animals, but there is much concern in my constituency about wider issues.
The person who organised the petition expected to receive support only from friends, local vets and animal organisations, but because she had written two letters to the Derbyshire Times she secured 1,866 signatures rather than the 500 or so that she had anticipated. I only wish that I could receive a similar response when the Derbyshire Times contains material from me.
The petition reads:
To the House of Commons

The Petition of Brenda Elvidge and Others

Declares that the exploding of fireworks to celebrate the demise of Guy Fawkes and other national celebrations such as New Year's Eve now extend by several days and even weeks both before and after the named event and that the fireworks sold for household use (which are also illegally exploded in the streets) are now louder, last longer and have a greater aerial range than previously, thus causing great distress and trauma to a multitude of domestic, wild and farm animals over a prolonged period, resulting in the need for veterinary care and the administration of tranquillisers.

The petitioners therefore request that the House of Commons shall urge the Home Office that the welfare and safety of all animals be considered whenever and wherever fireworks are exploded and to achieve this the House of Commons shall legislate for the period when fireworks are to be sold and to rework The Fireworks (Safety) Regulations 1997 (SI 1997 No 2294) and legislate for the type of firework available to unlicensed individuals and to limit the number of days that these fireworks may be exploded to two named days per national celebration and that the length of each display not exceed 2 hours.

And the petitioners remain etc.
The petition is in the name of Brenda Elridge of Nethermoor road, Tupton, Chesterfield and the other petitioners.
To lie upon the Table.


12 February 2002

Antisocial behaviour


10.5 am
Ms Dari Taylor (Stockton, South):
I congratulate the hon. Member for Uxbridge (Mr. Randall) on securing the debate and .................... ASBOs clearly define when young people are out of control. I stress that we are often talking about a small percentage of a large group of people who get incensed when we generalise about them. I therefore resist the temptation to generalise, but that small group of people are inevitably the victims of peer pressure. Many of them find themselves acting "having a bit of fun."
However, that bit of fun is at someone else's expense. Too many letters and visits to constituents have shown us what that bit of fun has achieved.
During the run up to 5 November, I heard of many episodes of youngsters throwing explosive fireworks into people's homes, or putting them on window-sills or through letter-boxes. In their terms, they were having a bit of fun. That was not a bit of fun but a nightmare for the people who live in those homes.


14 February 2002

Scottish Parliament

Written Answers, Thursday 14 February 2002

Fireworks

Margaret Jamieson (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (Lab): To ask the Scottish Executive what action it plans to take in order to mitigate any distress and injury caused to animals during the prolonged period of firework use on and around 5 November.          Holding answer issued: 6 February 2002 (S1W-22226)

Dr Richard Simpson:
The sale, supply and safety of fireworks are consumer protection matters and, as such, are reserved. The Scottish Executive and the Scottish Fire Service fully support the DTI's annual Firework Safety Campaign. In 2001, the DTI's Firework Safety Toolkit was issued to fire brigades across Scotland. Brigades distributed the toolkit, including safety posters and leaflets, to schools. Additionally, brigades took further action which they considered essential to raise awareness of bonfire and firework safety issues in their local areas.



14 February 2002

Fireworks

Tony Wright: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what recent consultation has taken place with trading standards officers on the subject of fireworks. [33818]

Miss Melanie Johnson: I have sought feedback from trading standards departments on enforcement activities in respect of the fireworks safety regulations.

John Barrett:
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry when she will answer the letters of 30 November 2001 and 10 January 2002 from the hon. Member for Edinburgh, West regarding nuisance fireworks. [32514]

Miss Melanie Johnson:
I will be replying to the hon. Member shortly.


25 February 2002

Mercury Vapour

Ian Lucas: To ask the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs what estimate she has made of the amount of mercury vapour emitted in each of the last five years by the burning of mercury (II) thiocyanate in pyrotechnic products. [34522]

Mr. Meacher:
There is a wide range in estimates of the tonnage of fireworks used annually in the UK. However on current information our best estimate is that emissions of mercury from this source may be in the order of 150 kg per annum.


26 February 2002

Fireworks

Mark Tami: To ask the Secretary of State for Health how many firework-related injuries were treated by hospitals during the Christmas and new year period. [30266]

Yvette Cooper: The latest data available show that, of 127 hospital in-patient episodes 1 in England in 2000-01 with the cause code "Discharge of Firework" 2 , seven were admitted in the December/January period. These figures exclude accident and emergency patients who were not admitted as an in-patient.
1 A finished consultant episode is a period of in-patient care under one consultant within one health care provider. These figures do not represent the number of patients as a person may have more than one episode within the year.
2 ICD10 Cause code W39: Discharge of Firework.



27 February 2002

Fireworks

3.35 pm
Joan Ryan (Enfield, North):
I beg to move,
That leave be given to bring in a Bill to make provision with respect to the retail sale of fireworks and use of fireworks by the general public.
I am sure many Members will be aware, if only from their postbags, that the problems caused by fireworks are extensive, and are no longer restricted to an annual seasonal event. The industry's voluntary code, which aims to promote the safer use of fireworks, stipulates that they are to be displayed to the public for only three weeks prior to 5 November, and for a few days afterwards. Unfortunately, however, the code is notably redundant, and fireworks are readily available to the public from retail outlets throughout the year.
Several significant problems are caused by the retail sale of fireworks. The most immediate is the number of injuries resulting from their use. In extreme cases their use can lead to fatalities. That, tragically, happened in the case of 13-year-old Martin Lamparter, a young man who lived in my constituency with his family and who was killed last December in an accident involving a firework. The event has devastated his family and the local community.
Even more tragic is the fact that Martin's death was not an isolated incident. Five deaths in the last five years have been directly attributable to fireworks. All were unnecessary, and would have been avoided had the retail sale of fireworks to the general public been prohibited.
Yet despite the focus of past debate on the subject--tending to centre on the devastating effects of injury and the potential for fatalities that fireworks possess--the hazard to human welfare of fireworks has not proved a sufficient propellant to effect the change in legislation for which my Bill calls. Following the implementation of the 1997 firework safety regulations, there was an 8 per cent. reduction in the number of firework casualties in 1998. However, the 30 per cent. drop in the volume of sales in that year makes the apparent decrease in injuries superficial, as proportionally the number of injuries was significantly higher. The number of casualties increased in both 1999 and 2000.
In recent weeks I have received many letters expressing support for the Bill, for a variety of reasons--not just because of the physical injuries that fireworks are capable of inflicting. The National Campaign for Firework Safety strongly supports the Bill, and has long recognised that under current legislation fireworks are a multi-faceted menace, at best a nuisance and at worst fatal.
The support that I have received of late has come not least from those concerned about the noise generated by fireworks. The noise pollution is not the occasional and tolerable inconvenience that it was once, but an ever-increasing source of fear and anxiety, especially to vulnerable groups in society. Such distress is not confined to people, but extends to domestic pets--some of which have had to be put down as a result--as well as farm animals and wildlife.
All those latter problems do not even necessarily entail the abuse of fireworks. When fireworks are deliberately misused, their effects are even more profound, exacerbating the possibility of injury, death and fear as well as fostering additional problems. The abuse of fireworks results in antisocial behaviour, criminal damage and--as police in Oldham, Bradford and Northern Ireland have found--their conversion into weapons.
Current legislation is failing to be effective primarily because it is reactive. Police powers are restricted to responding to specific offences arising from the misuse of fireworks, and the law, while making it an offence for under-18s to purchase fireworks, does not make their possession of fireworks illegal.
This is a serious problem. Statistics demonstrate that the greatest percentage of firework injuries are to those aged 15 or younger, accounting for some 40 to 50 per cent. of all firework injuries over the past five years. Such evidence clearly demonstrates the ineffectiveness of current regulations. If the current law were more vigorously enforced and the under-age use of fireworks all but eliminated, firework safety could still not be guaranteed. Age alone does not qualify someone to use explosive devices responsibly and competently. Being old enough to drive does not automatically qualify a person to do so. The safety provisions relating to driving require that a licence be obtained in addition to an age criterion being met. I believe that there is a strong enough case to draw a parallel between driving and the use of fireworks.
Only those who are trained and licensed should be able to access and use fireworks, because even when they are used within the law and with the best of intentions, they are still proving hazardous. Addressing the many problems caused by fireworks requires far more than the further enforcement of current statutes or the entrenching of the voluntary code into law. A statutory code that emulates the current voluntary code would not prevent the problems that I have identified from manifesting themselves around 5 November.
In addition, it is discriminatory to allow the sale of fireworks to the public to commemorate one historical and cultural event--bonfire night--but to deny other celebrations such as Diwali and the Chinese new year the opportunity to include fireworks in their festivities. The only safe and fair option is a complete ban on the retail sale of fireworks to the general public. All festivities would thus be entitled to include fireworks as part of their celebrations, provided that they were used in organised and licensed displays.
There will be those who will object to such a prohibition, perhaps because their profit or employment depends on the sale or manufacture of fireworks, yet the legal requirement for pyrotechnic professionals will create a new niche in the market. An economic calculation must be balanced against the paramount principles of public welfare and safety, and the cost borne by the taxpayer in picking up the tab for the damage caused by fireworks.
There will be those who will contest this Bill under the banner of liberty, on the basis of defending the public's freedom to continue to purchase what essentially constitute explosives. Ironically, in attempting to defend liberty they fail to extend it to those who wish to be free from excessive noise pollution, fear, criminal damage and injury.
A further form of opposition will come from those who claim that banning the retail sale of fireworks to the public will result in the creation of a black market. There is little evidence to support that. However, those who cite other examples of prohibition--such as alcohol--must concede that lighting noisy, colourful explosives is going to be much harder to conceal than consuming alcohol in one's own home.
A ban on retail sales and possession by the public of fireworks will invest the law with greater clarity and make it a lot easier to prosecute those who violate it. Numerous statistics demonstrate the need for reform to current firework legislation, for which neither the Firework (Safety) Regulations 1997 nor the Consumer Protection Act 1987 make adequate provision.
A ban on the retail sale of fireworks to the general public is the only way satisfactorily to address the many problems created by fireworks and to restore them to their role as a celebratory and pleasurable phenomenon. There is tremendous need--and equally tremendous public support--for this Bill, and it is with both of these things in mind that I urge Members to support it.
3.43 pm
Mr. Robert Key (Salisbury):
I rise to oppose the Bill. It is only a little more than a month since the hon. Member for Brent, North (Mr. Gardiner) introduced his Bill. This Bill is even more restrictive than his, but I oppose it not on grounds of liberty, of whether one should have fun or not, or of being a killjoy or a spoilsport. I oppose it simply because it will not address the fears and concerns of most people.
I have fought for a long time on the issue of noise. The Bill that the hon. Member for Enfield, North (Joan Ryan) will present shortly will not prevent cruelty to animals--be they cats, dogs, horses or wildlife. It will not stop antisocial behaviour by bad neighbours or by yobs who buy fireworks, legally or illegally. The hon. Lady's Bill will not stop public display organisers using very loud bangs. It will not protect the elderly from loud noises or young children from being frightened or injured by fireworks. It will not stop shift workers or night workers having their precious sleep shattered.
I shall not go into the regulations again. If hon. Members read the debate initiated by the hon. Member for Brent, North, they will see that there are a lot of them.
I also support the position of the Under-Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, the hon. Member for Welwyn Hatfield (Miss Johnson), who I am delighted to see in her place today. She said:
"We have no plans to ban the sale of fireworks to the general public . . . The Fireworks (Safety) Regulations 1997 prohibit from sale to the public several types of noisy category 3 fireworks such as aerial shells and restrict the size of the others. We will, of course, consider any representations that are made."--[Official Report, 26 November 2001; Vol.375, c. 672W.]
To her credit, she has done that.
The explosives industry group of the Confederation of British Industry recognises the great concern in the country and last year's unprecedented reaction to firework noise. The group has been working with the Department of Trade and Industry to see what steps the industry can take to alleviate the problem. It met the Minister on 19 December 2001 to discuss a possible action plan. One aspect of that plan was for the industry to examine the noise aspects appertaining to airbombs--the main culprit, especially in the hands of hooligans--to see whether it might be possible to stop supplying them to consumers or voluntarily reduce the decibel level to conform to the forthcoming European standards.  All those present at an emergency meeting held at the recent Harrogate toy fair, at which the main consumer fireworks suppliers exhibit, resolved to take the single tube airbomb out of circulation. That is a major step for the industry to consider because orders have already been placed and there is existing stock. The industry takes a responsible view and has been working with the Minister to find some legal backing to enforce that possibility. The DTI officials present at the Harrogate meeting undertook to find out whether what the industry wanted was within the scope of the Firework (Safety) Regulations 1997. From then on it has been quite clear that the industry is willing to address the fears of the public.
I would press the Minister on one more important point. Fireworks are imported, usually in containers, through the British ports. I think that most of them come through Felixstowe. Many of them are sold under the counter or out of the famous white vans. Those people are not bothered about having legal, licensed explosives storage, nor do they abide by the requirements. In order to catch the dodgy importers--who may represent only 1 or 2 per cent. of the fireworks trade--the explosives industry group has proposed the introduction of a tracking system from the point of entry to the final destination of the container, so that local authorities and the police can follow up the shipments and seize those that are illegal. That is why I urge the Government to strengthen the role of the port trading standards officers and encourage the police to assist.
The explosives industry group is fully committed to addressing the overall problem of firework noise and wishes to convince the public that responsible firework sectors take this matter very seriously. I invite the House to consider that it would be a much better proposition to work with the industry and the Government to achieve the objective that we all want--far less noise from fireworks. People do not object to the visual display; in almost every case it is the noise. That point has been made in letter after letter. The fireworks industry action plan should be supported by the House.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, there is even something that you could do--as could hon. Members and anyone outside this place who feels strongly about the matter. If people log on to my website, robertkey.com, they will find that my online voting topic for this month is fireworks. They will see that, to date, voting is two to one in favour of my proposal--to reduce the noise--against the proposal of the hon. Member for Enfield, North. There is an opportunity for everyone to have their say online.
The Bill is not only restrictive but will not work. I wish that the Labour Whips would take a grip on their Back Benchers and encourage them to support the Minister in her achievements so far.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill ordered to be brought in by Joan Ryan, Linda Gilroy, Mr. Barry Gardiner, David Cairns, Dr. Nick Palmer, Dr. Evan Harris, Bob Russell, Sir Teddy Taylor, Ross Cranston, Siobhain McDonagh, Shona McIsaac and Tony Wright.

Fireworks

Joan Ryan accordingly presented a Bill to make provision with respect to the retail sale of fireworks and use of fireworks by the general public: And the same was read the First time; and ordered to be read a Second time on Friday 19 April, and to be printed [Bill 101].


5 March 2002    Written Answers

Fireworks

Linda Perham: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry what her policy is on reducing nuisance caused by fireworks. [39757]

Miss Melanie Johnson:
I understand the depth of current concerns about fireworks, particularly in relation to neighbourhood safety, noise and nuisance. We are now actively considering with relevant government departments what action can be taken within existing legislation to address these growing problems. I am also having further talks with the industry.


25 March 2002

PETITIONS
Fireworks

10.29 pm
Dr. Howard Stoate (Dartford): I have pleasure in presenting a petition signed by more than 2,000 residents of north Kent, most of them pet owners, expressing concern about the recent increase in private firework displays throughout the year. They feel that the suffering that their animals are forced to endure from night after night of fireworks is wholly unacceptable and unnecessary and want legislation to be introduced as soon as possible to restrict the sale of fireworks to the general public to traditional festivals such as 5 November, new year's eve and Diwali.
The petition states:
The Humble Petition of the residents of North Kent sheweth

That the significant recent increase in private firework displays throughout the calendar year is causing considerable unnecessary distress to domestic animals and livestock and undue nuisance to residents.

Wherefore your Petitioners pray that your Honourable House will take such measures as lie within its power to restrict the use of fireworks by the general public to New Year's Eve, religious festivals during which fireworks are traditionally used, such as Diwali, and the 14-day period around 5 November, and further request that the sale of fireworks by retail outlets be restricted to the same 14-day period around 5 November and religious festivals and to the five-day period up to and including New Year's Eve.

And your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray.
To lie upon the Table.


10 April 2002

Fireworks

Mrs. Iris Robinson: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what action he will take to reduce the import of illegal fireworks into Northern Ireland. [43943]

Jane Kennedy:
The illegal import of fireworks is one of the areas of concern being addressed as part of the Fireworks Review, which I announced on 12 October 2001. I will be announcing my proposals shortly.


15 April 2002 Northern Ireland Office


Kennedy Announces New Restrictions On Fireworks

Security Minister Jane Kennedy has announced plans to prevent the abuse of fireworks in response to appeals from the public.
Regulations were this morning laid before Parliament which will prohibit the purchase, possession, sale and use of garden fireworks except under licence.
The change in the law, which is the result of the Minister's review of firework policy announced in October, will come into effect from 6 May 2002. From that date, only those who successfully apply for a licence from the NIO will be allowed to buy garden fireworks.
"I regret having to take this step but I know from the groundswell of public opinion during the consultation process just how upset many people have been by the constant abuse of fireworks. What should be a source of entertainment has, in many areas, become a public nuisance," Ms Kennedy said.
"In particular many elderly people and pet-owners are distressed every year by fireworks being let off by young people and thrown into gardens or doorways, frequently late at night. This must stop.
"Families across Northern Ireland will still be able to enjoy fireworks in a controlled and safe way. But the action I have taken today will help to ensure fireworks are used for entertainment, rather than to injure, maim or distress the elderly, those living alone or helpless animals."
The move will also help to prevent the use of fireworks as weapons against the police.
"I am not so naïve to think that these measures alone will solve all the problems. But today's regulations demonstrate that I will do whatever is necessary to improve the quality of life for both the general public and the security forces," Ms Kennedy said.
"I recognise the concerns of retailers who fear a potential impact on their livelihood but I know from the appeals that I have received that the vast majority of the public will welcome this move."


15 April 2002

TRADE AND INDUSTRY


Publicity

Mr. Bercow: To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if she will list the publicity and advertising campaigns run by her Department in each of the last four years, specifying the (a) purpose, (b) cost to public funds, (c) number of staff involved and (d) method of evaluation in each case. [39091]

Ms Hewitt: The table lists the costs of DTI advertising campaigns through the COI for the last four years for which final figures are available. Information regarding the purpose, number of staff involved, and method of evaluation for each campaign is not held centrally, and could be produced only at disproportionate cost.
£ Amount (Ex VAT)  1997-98 Firework Safety 73,097  1998-99 Firework Safety 73,863


17 April 2002

Firework-related Injuries

Dr. Fox: To ask the Secretary of State for Health what (a) steps are being taken and (b) investment is being made, to reduce firework-related injuries. [47841]

Miss Melanie Johnson:
I have been asked to reply.
The comprehensive measures introduced by the Firework (Safety) Regulations 1997 and actively enforced by Trading Standards Departments are supplemented by robust and targeted safety campaigns to warn consumers of the dangers of misusing


22 April 2002

Fireworks: Depleted Uranium

The Countess of Mar asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether depleted uranium is present in any fireworks, whether manufactured in the United Kingdom or manufactured elsewhere and imported. [HL3660]

The Minister of State, Department for Transport, Local Government and the Regions (Lord Falconer of Thoroton):
The Health and Safety Executive's Explosives Inspectorate has wide experience of licensing and inspecting sites used for the manufacture and storage of fireworks. It knows of no cases where depleted uranium (DU) has been used in fireworks, whether they have been manufactured in the UK or imported from elsewhere. The primary function of DU in an explosives context is its use in munitions designed to penetrate armour plate. HSE is not aware of any valid contribution that the material would make to a pyrotechnic composition and in its view the cost of using it would be prohibitive.


30 April 2002

HEALTH
Fireworks

Mark Tami: To ask the Secretary of State for Health how many firework-related injuries were treated in hospitals in the UK during the Christmas and new year period. [39894]

Yvette Cooper:
I refer my hon. Friend to the response I gave him on 26 February 2002,


1 May 2002

Fireworks

24. Chris Ruane: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what regulations cover the sale of fireworks in Northern Ireland; and if he will make a statement. [51691]

Jane Kennedy:
At present the sale of fireworks is governed by the Explosives Act 1875 and Explosives (Fireworks) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1999. The Explosive (Fireworks) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2002 which has been laid before Parliament will then prohibit the purchase, possession, sale and use of garden fireworks except under licence and will come into effect from 6 May 2002.


15 May 2002

Scottish Parliament

John Young (West of Scotland) (Con): When I became a councillor in Glasgow Corporation in 1964, I was put on the police and fire committee. When I asked why the two areas were not separate, I was told that they had never been dealt with separately. The fire service was obviously the poor relation in that committee......
.......Another growing problem is the increase in the use of fireworks. It is astonishing to think that the black cat firework is a recent invention and is perfectly legal. It is approximately 1.5 ft high and its instructions state that it should not be detonated within 80 ft of any structure. It has a velocity equivalent to a mortar bomb and costs around £70. Last November, in Mike Watson's Glasgow Cathcart constituency the lock-ups between two tenement blocks were purposely set on fire by fireworks. When the firemen arrived, teenage thugs fired rockets at them. Other fireworks were allegedly discharged at trains.
I understand that appropriate shops are only supposed to store 1,000 kg of fireworks. However, the shopkeeper could store similar quantities elsewhere and use the excuse that the fireworks are for his or his friends' personal use. The thousands of dodgy fireworks that are imported every year from the far east are a huge potential risk. HM Customs and Excise says that it does not have enough staff to carry out proper checks. Storage abuse of fireworks is another potential risk.
I believe strongly that fireworks legislation for Scotland should be controlled by the Scottish Parliament and not by Westminster. After all, a fire and its aftermath involve Scottish fire services, Scottish ambulance services, the Scottish national health service, Scottish police, Scottish local authorities and the Scottish legal system. That said, I am not a member of the Scottish National Party......…

Fiona Hyslop (Lothians) (SNP):
I am pleased to contribute to the debate...............The debate has been wide ranging. I have picked up on pensions and control rooms, but others have talked about fire prevention. However, we have not covered the implications of fireworks for fire prevention. I hope that the chamber will have the opportunity to have a members' business debate on Shona Robison's motion on the sale and use of fireworks.


24 May 2002

Ms Drown:
The issue is a bit of a nightmare. ......
Another issue that features in my postbag-and that of other hon. Members-is the problem created by fireworks and airguns. They injure many people and animals. Only last month, a man in Swindon was shot by a gas-powered, ball-bearing gun. The ball-bearing went into his skull and missed his eye by inches. That is just one incident, and many animals are also injured. The Government should consider introducing firework and airgun controls so that we can reduce injuries to people.

Mr. Banks: Does the right hon. Gentleman concede that fireworks are not only used on 5 November? Other communities also use them to celebrate their festivals, which is one reason for their more widespread use. Perhaps we should consider each of those festivals and set a date before which fireworks cannot be purchased.
On the right hon. Gentleman's concern about animals, surely a limit should be set on the size of the explosive fireworks that can be bought. Some of them are huge: they are mortars. The amount of noise that they make causes enormous distress, not just to animals, but to old people and to people of a nervous disposition, of which I happen to be one. They are frightening and it is about time that action was taken to deal with them.

Mr. Knight:
I agree that we should consider the issue, and I hope that the Minister will feed that back to his colleagues. However, I have reservations about framing legislation on the hoof, so I would not want to talk today about the scope of such legislation or the clauses that it should contain.

The Parliamentary Secretary, Privy Council Office (Mr. Stephen Twigg): If any hon. Member wishes to visit ........
My hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon (Ms Drown) raised many issues, as ever. I will not be able to do justice to them all. I agree that we need to address the issue of fireworks, and it is being addressed in government. My hon. Friend the Member for Brent, North (Mr. Gardiner) has raised the matter, as has my hon. Friend the Member for Enfield, North (Joan Ryan). The Government are taking up the issue.


24 May 2002

TRADE AND INDUSTRY
Fireworks


Linda Gilroy:
To ask the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry if she will publish the fireworks injury statistics for 2001; and if she will make a statement. [42754]

Miss Melanie Johnson:
The total number of persons recorded as attending hospital casualty departments in Great Britain during the 2001 bonfire night period was 1362. This represents an increase of 40 per cent on the previous year's total of 972. There were no deaths in the 2001 Bonfire period but we are aware of one death occurring outside the recording period.
The increase in recorded accidents causes great concerns. We continue to do all we can to promote safety and to prevent misuse of fireworks.
I am arranging for copies of the injury figures together with the analytical and regional tables to be placed in the Libraries of both Houses as well as on the DTI website: www.dti.gov.uk.


28 May 2002

House of Lords
Tuesday, 28th May 2002.
The House met at half-past two of the clock: The LORD CHANCELLOR on the Woolsack.
Prayers-Read by the Lord Bishop of St Albans.


Fireworks


Lord Hardy of Wath
asked Her Majesty's Government:
Whether they have received substantial representations concerning the use of fireworks and what response has been offered.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Trade and Industry (Lord Sainsbury of Turville):
My Lords, we have received a significant number of representations concerning the use of fireworks. We recognise the depth of public feeling on these issues, particularly in respect of the noise and nuisance caused by the misuse of fireworks. We are actively considering across Government what action can be taken within existing legislation to address the growing problems. We are also having further talks with the fireworks industry.

Lord Hardy of Wath:
My Lords, while thanking my noble friend for that Answer, perhaps I may ask that more urgent attention is given to the problem, not least for the Government to take note of injuries to children and the effect on wildlife, domestic pets and farm livestock. Does my noble friend consider that the larger and louder items more akin to military ordnance than modern entertainment are best left to public and well-organised displays rather than for ignition in people's gardens? They can hardly be described as private celebrations as they cause noise and nuisance within a couple of miles radius.

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, as I hope I made clear, we are concerned about injuries and the noise, nuisance and distress this causes to animals. We have been holding discussions across Whitehall with the enforcement authorities and the industry and we have made some progress. We have agreed with the industry that airbombs should be removed from general retail sale and we should see the impact of that towards the end of the year as existing orders and stocks are used up.
That is an important issue because it is one of the main causes of the problems. However, we need to do more to address the wide variety of issues raised.

Baroness Miller of Hendon:
My Lords, as many of the accidents involve imported fireworks, can the Minister say what efforts the Government are making to try to stop that, in particular the import of fireworks which do not follow regulations issued by the EC?

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, I am not certain whether there is information to suggest that imported fireworks break the regulations. However, I shall certainly follow the matter up and if there is a problem notify the noble Baroness.

Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate:
My Lords, given that the misuse of firearms in the wrong hands can amount to-

Noble Lords:
Fireworks!

Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate:
My Lords, I apologise, I meant fireworks in the wrong hands. Old habits die hard. Given that their misuse can amount to the use of an offensive weapon, will the Minister agree that this is an ideal task to be dealt with by the new community support officers, who are provided for in the Police Reform Bill?

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, I agree that fireworks can be used dangerously but I believe that it is overstating the case to think of them in terms of offensive weapons. The main point is to ensure that we examine constantly the issue of safety and their noise and nuisance aspect and that their use is properly enforced through the appropriate authorities.

Lord Campbell of Croy:
My Lords, is the Minister familiar with the saying that what goes up must come down? Is he aware that large rockets when spent can be dangerous missiles when they return to earth?

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, that is a consideration but while it is alarming that injury figures have risen it is impossible to detect a particular aspect which has worsened. Across the picture, we are seeing an increase in injuries and therefore we need to examine safety in general rather than a particular case.

Lord Mackie of Benshie:
My Lords, is the Minister aware that a great deal of pleasure is being gained by a great number of people out of well-conducted bonfires and firework displays and that they should continue?

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, we do not believe that the case has been made for an outright ban. As the noble Lord says, millions of fireworks are sold and used safely each year and they represent a popular form of entertainment. Action we take must be taken against that background.

Lord Faulkner of Worcester:
My Lords, I declare an unremunerated interest as president of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents. In view of the fact that the number of casualties-that is, people requiring hospital treatment-following bonfire night last year rose by a staggering 40 per cent, does my noble friend agree that the problem of selling fireworks to children needs urgent attention? Furthermore, will he examine the new regulations introduced in Northern Ireland which severely circumscribe the conditions in which fireworks can be sold and displays can take place?

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, clearly, under-age selling is an issue and we shall continue to do all that we can to prevent it from taking place. So far as concerns Northern Ireland, it has recently been announced by the Security Minister at the Northern Ireland Office that permission to sell fireworks under the Explosives Act (Northern Ireland) 1970 will be withdrawn, which means effectively banning retail sales. In this case, as in others, the situation in Northern Ireland is slightly different. The issues there have focused on public order and threats to the security forces rather than on the issue of noise and nuisance, which are the problems in this country.

Lord Razzall:
My Lords, following on the question from the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, does the Minister accept that there is significant concern regarding large fireworks imported from overseas, particularly from China, which I understand is the source of many of the very dangerous fireworks that come into this country? Will he indicate what the Government propose to do about the matter?

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, as I said in answer to the noble Baroness, I shall check whether there is any evidence that there is a safety problem in particular areas. If that is the case, we shall look carefully to see what action we can take to stop up that hole.

Baroness Fookes:
My Lords, first, I declare an interest as vice-president of the National Campaign for Firework Reform. Does the Minister believe that if fireworks were new, they would be allowed, given that they are somewhat dangerous? That being the case, I ask the Minister not to rule out the possibility of an outright ban on everything except public organised displays.

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, it is always rather difficult to answer such hypothetical questions. There are many things that we happily enjoy which might well be banned in the current climate. As I said, at present we are not thinking in terms of an outright ban. We want to examine the issues of noise and nuisance, which cause a great deal of distress to many people as well as to their animals.

Earl Ferrers:
My Lords, in the noble Lord's desire, quite correctly, to look after safety, can he ensure that the Government will not end up being spoilsports?

Lord Sainsbury of Turville:
My Lords, I hope that I made it clear in my previous answer that we are not thinking in terms of an outright ban. This is a form of family entertainment which gives much pleasure. Equally, we need to look carefully at the issues of noise and nuisance which affect other families and their animals.



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