Well, if you're reading these lines, it means that you'd like
to know details of this case. Make yourself a cup of tea or coffee
and be ready for very interesting reading (excuse my English though).
I decided to put description of this case first, and after those
copies of all emails we've exchanged. All his emails has been
signed as Macromedia Inc. anti-piracy manager, so they are official
messages and I feel that I may make it available for public.
Feb 28, 1999 I received an email from Macromedia's anti-piracy
manager, Steve Wozniak. In that letter hi wrote that I should
close my page is clearly illegal and that I must remove all my
cracks for Macromedia products from it. I tell him that disassembling
of copyrighted material is allowed in Russia (in some cases) and
as I don't use cracked programs, I don't break any law.
In next email he called my activity "thieving" and ask what exactly
Russian laws allow me to do it. After consulting with lawyer I
replied that we have presumption of innocence here in Russia as
well as they have it in US. And if he wants me consider removing
cracks to their products, He should tell me what exactly Russian
codes or international conventions that has been signed by Russia
do I break.
His next email can be called ridiculous if anti-piracy manager
of large company has not written it. He wrote that Macromedia
and BSA's attorneys in Russia can collect information I requested,
but "not without expense"!
Imagine following situation: some person come to you on the street
and says: "you're a dirty robber! Immediately leave this town!"
I think that you'll say him "I'm not a robber. Why should I leave
this town?" And imagine if he'll say you: "
I can provide you this information, but not without expense"!
Exactly this situation we have in this case. I made him a favour
in my reply though, and quote some part of Russian law about program's
protection for him. And I put my brief description why my situation
matches this law.
In his next mail he write that they'll protect their rights and
that he haven't even read my email and that I should stop my unsolicited
mailing! Unsolicited mailing! Idiocy! I tried to help him not
to waste his time on this case and made him a favour doing part
of HIS job and all that is called "unsolicited email"
So, at this point I have several emails, in which Steve says
that my page is illegal, but without ANY ARGUMENTATION. They also
contain threats and insults. Anyone can tell me: IS THIS A REASON
FOR CLOSING MY PAGE? It's ridiculous.
Well, you can read all our emails below. They are in chronological
order, first messages on the top, last on the bottom. If after
reading them you'll feel like to drop a line to Steve Wozniak
with comments about quality of his job - please don't hesitate
to do it. His address is (mailto:swozniak@macromedia.com).
His first email:
Date: Fri,
26 Feb 1999 12:14:29 -0800
To: ivanopulo@usa.net
From: Steve Wozniak
Subject: Software Cracks
I see that
your cracks page was taken down by your ISP, but that a number
of illegal download sites are still operating. Examples are -
These pages
are clearly illegal. Please remove them from the web at once,
and contact me immediately to make arrangements to pay for the
software that was stolen through your site.
Steve Wozniak
Anti-Piracy Manager Macromedia, Inc.
My first reply:
Hello
I'm sorry, but there's absolutely nothing illegal with this files.
Have you read disclaimer on my page? Okay, I'll try to make things
more clear: I DON'T use cracked programs. If I like program, I
buy it.
All these files are for educational purposes only. Russian laws
ALLOW to disassemble and reverse engineer programs. Even if license
agreement says not to do it. License agreements that prohibit
reverse engineering of program DON'T juridical power in Russia,
because they conflict with our laws. I agree that using files
on my page NOT for educational purposes, but for increasing program's
evaluation time, or for registering program for free IS ILLEGAL.
But I'm saying again: I don't use cracked software. I just like
to investigate different protection schemes and show people how
weak they can be. And this is NOT illegal activity. Why should
I take any responsibility if someone steals program?? I don't
breaking any law... It's the same thing as to take to the court
person who sold gun to the killer. Ridiculous, isn't it? And now,
when you have all this information and still thinking that my
page is illegal, I'd really appreciate if you tell me why.
Please excuse my English. Best regards,
Ivanopulo
mailto:ivanopulo@usa.net
P.S. My page on artcon.ru has not been taken down. It has been
moved due to large amount of traffic that it generated.
Date: Sun,
28 Feb 1999 20:03:43 -0800
To: Ivanopulo
From: Steve Wozniak
Subject: Re: Software Cracks
Our attorneys
in Russia disagree with your theory that software theft is legal
there. The BSA's attorneys also disagree with you. Exactly which
Russian law allows this? Please send it quickly, as your disclaimer
has no legal force whatsoever, and we intend to either have you
shut your site down voluntarily or to make an example out of you.
By the way,
there are many cases where the person who provides a criminal
with the means to commit the crime also goes to jail. There is
no legitimate or educational purposes for these cracks, they are
simply a well-advertised aid to theft. I never told you that software
theft is legal here! What I told you was that I DON'T THIEVE software.
American laws doesn't allow do disassemble copyrighted programs
without permission of copyright owner. That is because all EULAs
that says not to disassemble programs are LEGAL there. And disassembling
the other's programs is ILLEGAL in US, because it breaks US copyright
laws.
In Russian laws disassembling of copyrighted programs is LEGAL
even without permission of copyright owner (except of the cases
when someone steals disassembling code and use it in his own programs).
The only thing that prohibits decompilation of software is EULA
which every user must accept before installing the software. But
part of EULA that prohibit to disassembling, reverse engineering
etc. of mentioned program is ILLEGAL there, because it contradicts
with our law that ALLOWS to do it. I hope that you understand
my words despite of my bad English :)
Okay, we make things clear about copyright infringement. Now
the next part. Theft and piracy. There's NO stolen copyrighted
material on my site. All files are made by me and I haven't use
somebody else's code. All files on my page ARE COMPLETELY LEGAL
themselves, because fact of their existance itself doesn't break
any of Russian laws. I don't use any of my files to steal software.
I never used and I don't use cracked programs.
What I do is:
Download evaluation version of software (IT IS LEGAL)
Disassemble it and explore it's code (IT'S LEGAL, LOOK ABOVE)
Make patch to save results of my investigations
When evaluation period is over (or even earlier) I ALWAYS REMOVE
expired software from my pc.
If I like program too much, I buy it. I place results of my works
on my page to give the others possibility to learn about different
protection schemes.
You're absolutely right, disclaimer has no juridical power. I
know it. It has a purpose not to protect me, because I have nothing
to be protected from, I don't break my country's laws; it has
a purpose to WARN visitors of my site about two things:
Some people just don't know it, and I don't want to be the cause
of somebody's prosecution. That's the cause why I put this disclaimer.
I'll repeat again: I crack software protection in self- and others-educational
purposes only, not for stolen somebody else's work. BTW I must
to say that your company's excellent programs simple deserve to
be paid for. And if I'd need them in my work, I'd buy it. But
unfortunately (for you :) I don't need them.
After that all, I'd like to hear from you again: What do you
mean when you call me a thief and say saying that I steal software???
What do you mean when you say that I break copyright laws?? Nothing
illegal with it, sorry. I'm afraid that you wasting your time
trying to accuse me in things that I never did and never do and
will never do.
Best regards,
Ivanopulo
mailto:ivanopulo@usa.net
Date: Mon,
01 Mar 1999 13:47:45 -0800
To: Ivanopulo
From: Steve Wozniak
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Software Cracks
Again, we
and the BSA have Russian attorneys who disagree with your interpretation
of the law. I would like to know the exact codes or statutes that
you feel make this activity legal. The ONLY purpose for your cracks
is software theft.
It is not
an intellectual exersize, it is not for "learning" purposes, except
for helping people learn how to steal software. Your "disclaimers"
make it very clear that you are aware of what your work is used
for. Judging from your work, you are an intelligent man who could
pursue much more fruitful and valuable ventures than this. I ask
you to please remove these items from your pages, or I will be
forced, as mentioned before, to have this matter pursued legally.
Please do not respond - your page being up or down will speak
for you.
Hi Steve
I've consulted with lawyer and he remembered me about presumption
of innocence. Please consider following simple statements:
1. Any activity is legal until there are no laws that make it
illegal
2. I don't have to prove you my unguiltiness.
Instead, you should prove my guiltiness if you feel so. So, if
you want me to think about your request for closing my page due
to its illegality, you must provide me following information:
Tell me exactly what Russian codes or statutes (or international
treaties/conventions that has been signed by Russia) I break.
You're Anti-Piracy manager of relatively large company. I doubt
that they pay you just for sending threatening emails to people.
You said that your company and BSA have attorneys here in Russia,
so I think that it will not be too hard for them to collect the
information that I've requested (if there's such information).
Best regards,
Ivanopulo
mailto:ivanopulo@usa.net
Date: Tue,
02 Mar 1999 18:14:08 -0800
To: Ivanopulo
From: Steve Wozniak
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Software Cracks
Macromedia
has attempted to appeal to your sense of reason and honesty in
asking you to stop helping people steal our software. You have
declined to remove your site on either account. Obviously, if
you force us to have a Russian attorney work on this for us, we
will do so.
This will
not be without expense, and will definitely mean that the opportunity
for amicable resolution will be well past us. If we do prove our
legal point, we will pursue the maximum civil and criminal penalties
with no room for any negotiation.
At this stage,
you can end the matter simply by deleting a web site that you
have admitted can encourage criminal behavior. Past this stage,
ending the matter could very well be an expensive and difficult
process for you. Is it worth it for you?
There is
no need to respond directly. The existence (or not) of your site
will speak for you.
Hello
Please don't tell me that I'll have to pay for providing me information
about laws that (as you think) I break. It's YOUR JOB. And Macromedia
should pay you for it, not me.
Now about laws: I decided to make you a favour and tell about
codes you asked. Here they are (I tried to translate it as close
to original text as possible) LAW. About legal defense of computer
programs.
September 23, 1992.
N 3523-I Chapter 3, entry 15, point 3:
Person who legally owns a copy of program may without rightholder's
permission and without paying any revenues to him decompile or
ask another person to decompile mentioned program to investigate
code and structure of this program in following cases: - information
needed to interaction of program independently written by that
person unavailable from other sources
- information discovered as the result of decompiling
may be used only for interaction of independently developed by
that person program with other programs and not for creating new
program that looks like decompiled program and not for any action
that breaks copyright.
- decompiling performed only for those parts of program that are
needed for mentioned interaction.
As you can see, this law is not clear enough :( But it's a law.
Now please consider the following. I'm a programmer and I write
programs. I need to know about some program's structure to make
my programs functioning properly.
During evaluation period I am legal owner of my copy of software,
so, as you can see, I may decompile those parts of it that I need
to write my programs. I write my programs independently from Macromedia.
They don't look like your programs :). And fact of creating those
programs itself doesn't break Macromedia's copyright.
Placing those programs to my web page doesn't break any laws
also, because it's my copyrighted material and I have a right
to decide where to spread them. I'm not going to close my web
page, because currently I still have no information from you about
"how do I infringe upon Macromedia copyright?"
I don't have to close my page just due to receiving an email
that states that I break some laws and have absolutely no reasoning
behind that statement.
So I'm saying again: if you feel that I infringe upon your company's
copyrights, you should provide me exact information on this matter.
If lawyers and I will agree with your argumentation, I'll remove
all cracks to your products from my page.
And please, stop threatening me in your letters. You achieve
nothing doing that. Because if the law will be on my side (and
it IS on my side) and you'll still be persevering with your threatening
and insulting letters (like calling me a thief etc.), I'll take
your company into court and you'll have to pay me for it.
And again I need to repeat: we're both adult and intelligent
men. Lets together figure out, whether or not I break copyright
laws. If I do - I'll remove material that breaks it from my pages.
Well, I've provided you information you requested. It's your move
now.
If you'll have any questions - don't hesitate to write me.
Best regards,
Ivanopulo
mailto:ivanopulo@usa.net
Date: Thu,
04 Mar 1999 15:36:33 -0800
To: Ivanopulo
From: Steve Wozniak Subject: Re: Re[6]: Software Cracks
As I indicated
in my earlier message, I will not entertain any response other
than the cracks on your web site being removed. The mere length
of your unsolicited response (which I have not read) indicates
this is not the case. We will move to protect our interests as
I outlined in my previous emails.
If you have
read to this point, I think that situation is quite clear for
you. Send your comments to me (mailto:ivanopulo@usa.net). Again:
if you'd like to send your comments to STEVE WOZNIAK also - his
address is (mailto:swozniak@macromedia.com)
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