Er, where did the "Test Thread" go? Curiouser and curiouser... Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Ailie on Mon Nov 6 14:51:28 GMT 2000:

Fantastic! Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'RB' on Mon Nov 6 14:52:05 GMT 2000:

Yes, I was curious about that too. Perhaps we just imagined it.

Didn't Rob S say: "Oh, bugger!" Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Mon Nov 6 14:55:03 GMT 2000:

It must've taken ages to put together. A constructive use of time? (Yes I'm aware of the hypocracy in that...) Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Rob S on Mon Nov 6 14:56:09 GMT 2000:

>Er, where did the "Test Thread" go? Curiouser and curiouser...

The forum just got corrupted (the post.cgi file was halfwiped) - test thread was me trying to fix quickly from a very old backup, hence the fault page that was up briefly.

Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Ailie on Mon Nov 6 14:56:32 GMT 2000:

>It must've taken ages to put together. A constructive use of time?

I was highly impressed.
IMHO it was time well spent! Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Ewar Woowar on Mon Nov 6 15:00:37 GMT 2000:

Speak for yourself, Rob, I've been corrupted for aaaaaages. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Gee' on Mon Nov 6 15:13:52 GMT 2000:

Very funny, best thing yet. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Mon Nov 6 15:16:24 GMT 2000:

I can't hear the words on my PC. Is there a transcript availa... no, never mind... Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jake' on Mon Nov 6 15:37:03 GMT 2000:

Having not seen TGP, it is somewhat lost on me. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Charlotte G' on Mon Nov 6 15:44:27 GMT 2000:

blimey. how crap, juvenile, unsubtle, shit, unconstructive and arrogant can you be? there's nothing worse than people who used to have opinions going up their own arses and then have people tell them they're funny. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Anonymous' on Mon Nov 6 15:50:45 GMT 2000:

>blimey. how crap, juvenile, unsubtle, shit, unconstructive and arrogant can you be? there's nothing worse than people who used to have opinions going up their own arses and then have people tell them they're funny.

Did you mean to post that in 'TGP strand #94'?

Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Anonymous' on Mon Nov 6 15:52:25 GMT 2000:

>blimey. how crap, juvenile, unsubtle, shit, unconstructive and arrogant can you be?

The 11 *'***** ****???

> there's nothing worse than people who used to have opinions going up their own arses and then have people tell them they're funny.

Yes, but it *was* funny.
Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Squidy' on Mon Nov 6 16:03:54 GMT 2000:

Who were those mods in the background? Is it an in-joke? Are they the Brass List? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By TJ on Mon Nov 6 16:57:09 GMT 2000:

Squidy:

If you were taking the piss, then I apologise for stating the obvious.

If you weren't though:

It's The Who, in whose film "Quadrophenia" Phil Daniels appeared. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'kinder surprise' on Mon Nov 6 17:26:30 GMT 2000:

lol. The Who were in the background? That's hilarious. I thought it was spot on. Did Rob S do any of the voices? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jake Thingy' on Mon Nov 6 17:38:17 GMT 2000:

Sorry to be so out of touch - I haven't seen TGP as I refuse to subsidise Murdoch's Evil Galactic Empire - who's the one who says "I ought to know better at my age" meant to be? I recognised the Who in-joke of course, but then I would. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Mon Nov 6 17:41:39 GMT 2000:

I couldn't get the sound for the animation at all, but, for the benefit of those of you who haven't seen it, the characters are:

The Pub Landlord (Al Murray),
Terry (Phil Daniels, appeared with Who),
Jason Freeman (Steve the barman),
Janet (Julia Sawalha),
Ms Jackson, from the brewery (Rebecca Front),
Old Cockney Bloke (God knows),
Postman (Richard Herring, here pictured in "I love Murdoch" T-shirt") Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Mon Nov 6 17:42:13 GMT 2000:

I mean, if you haven't seen the TV show. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Prisoner #93A234 Simon Adebisi' on Mon Nov 6 17:48:30 GMT 2000:

>Old Cockney Bloke (God knows),

Roy Heather AKA Sid from OFAH

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Posted By 'Steven' on Mon Nov 6 18:16:07 GMT 2000:

Bravo Corpses, can't wait for the second half, remember he needs to get the 'I was never confused' line in at least 10 times an episode. And Terry needs to mispronounce a word resulting in a hilarious sexual innuendo, then Jason Freeman needs to say 'Skellington and Frankingstien' a few times. And there wasn't enough lazy racisism comedy in it, at the end you should have Al Murray disappearing into a large vortex of money and offering out his shit stained hand to Herring who grasps hold of it and gets pulled down with him, with a look of glazed over ecstacy on his face. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'kinder surprise' on Mon Nov 6 18:28:58 GMT 2000:

Well done Corpses I think someone's finally managed to float Steven's boat. Haven't seen him so exhilerated in ages! Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Gee' on Mon Nov 6 18:31:56 GMT 2000:

It's funny if you remember the thread and the argument. It may be rather juvenile but nevertheless it’s still an amusing piece of satire. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Gee' on Mon Nov 6 18:41:54 GMT 2000:

I was referring to Charlotte G's comments but I forgot to mention it. Silly me.

Gee


>blimey. how crap, juvenile, unsubtle, shit, unconstructive and arrogant can you be? there's nothing worse than people who used to have opinions going up their own arses and then have people tell them they're funny.

Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Richard Herring on Mon Nov 6 20:10:23 GMT 2000:

I do love Murdoch, in that he seems to the only broadcaster who will put my stuff on telly and "he" lets me do whatever I want on his channel and doesn't interfere.
He's the best boss I've worked for (including Lionel Cosgrave).

Neither Al or myself is doing this show for money. we're doing it to create the best show we can. I've always worked that way except for when I wrote for Stab in the Dark.

Unfortunately missed the cartoon. Why don't you put it up on the Lee and Herring pages?

I take it the corpses haven't been won round to the series Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Mon Nov 6 20:21:06 GMT 2000:

there is nothing there, what kind of sick joke is this adddress. grr. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'bH' on Mon Nov 6 21:28:59 GMT 2000:

Seems to work for me... you got the new version of the flash plug in installed?

Sadly I can't comment as I've never seen TGP, being stuck with 4 channels. I know people who do like it though, and they're usually pretty good in the taste stakes... still, nobody's perfect. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Arma on Mon Nov 6 21:41:25 GMT 2000:

>I do love Murdoch

a-Ha! So that's the secret. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By TJ on Mon Nov 6 21:58:55 GMT 2000:

I seem to remember that Al Murray, in the middle of hurling half-formed attacks on my interest in comedy, mentioned something about The Corpses liking TGP.

I take it he may have been being a bit liberal with the truth? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Anonymous' on Mon Nov 6 22:13:44 GMT 2000:

Or being sarcastic Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Caroline' on Mon Nov 6 22:19:25 GMT 2000:

Hurrah!
Much funnier than the actual show.

Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By george on Mon Nov 6 23:59:54 GMT 2000:

I'm a tad disappointed.

A parody of TGP without Phil Daniels farting.

Tsk. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By sheep on Tue Nov 7 00:07:10 GMT 2000:

Wonderfully funny. Don't agree with what it's saying, but wonderfully funny.

Satire lives. (and cliches bear sons)
Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'paul twist' on Tue Nov 7 00:10:58 GMT 2000:

I thought it was lazy and pointless. I expect better from the corpses. Calling something, and I quote, "shit" does not good satire make. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By sheep on Tue Nov 7 00:47:50 GMT 2000:

>I thought it was lazy and pointless. I expect better from the corpses. Calling something, and I quote, "shit" does not good satire make.

It was funny though.

Bring back Week Ending. ("Two Cheers for November" for international listeners who miss that twee World Service tune played out on the hour)


"Blimey The Wife"

Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Foghorn Leghorn' on Tue Nov 7 01:17:57 GMT 2000:

All very competent so far as design, animation and timing go, but the actual content's a bit MAD-Magazine-with-an-axe-to-grind, isn't it?

Perhaps if the corpses put this amount of effort into producing some wholly original material of their own, instead of lamely 'satirising' the work of others (i.e. churning out "reference comedy" of the crummiest order), they'd have come up with something worth the protracted download time.

They don't even seem to have a point to make, beyond "we don't like Al Murray" and "hey look everybody, aren't we clever?"

Still, it's all good technical practice for the day they create something original and worthwhile. Till then, they'll remain a pair of smug lazy, not-as-smart-as-they-think-they-are stinky lolloping outcast fanboy cunts who deserve to have their fingers snapped off and stuffed bone-first into their tearducts.

Only my opinion. And of course I'm just an animated rooster. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'kinder surprise' on Tue Nov 7 02:14:19 GMT 2000:

We all know who you are Foghorn.

The download time is nothing compared to the lengths you'll go to to produce excrement. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Tue Nov 7 08:34:59 GMT 2000:

Who is he then? I bet you all know. Why am I always the last to get told anything? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Del Amitri' on Tue Nov 7 09:57:36 GMT 2000:

I'm always the last to know. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Charlie Brooker on Tue Nov 7 11:49:23 GMT 2000:

I thought it was quite amusing, and very well executed. But Foghorn's right about it being too axe-grindy and clever-clever.

I mean, really, what's the point? Anyone? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Bean Is A Carrot on Tue Nov 7 13:02:41 GMT 2000:

>I thought it was quite amusing, and very well executed. But Foghorn's right about it being too axe-grindy and clever-clever.
>
>I mean, really, what's the point? Anyone?

"What's the point?"

Presumably you're quoting directly from The Times Mr Brooker? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Charlie Brooker on Tue Nov 7 13:11:15 GMT 2000:

Not sure what you mean by that. But it *was* meant to be accompanied by a kind of world-weary sigh.

Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Steven' on Tue Nov 7 13:48:06 GMT 2000:

Well, it just shows how shallow and 2D the program is, and what more faithfull way of portraying that than with a cartoon?

Why does everyone say SOTCAA is back? I can't see anything but that cartoon, it doesn't mean it's back, but I did find this:

http://www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses/index2.html

Which indicates it might not be long now.. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Squidy' on Tue Nov 7 13:57:49 GMT 2000:

Nice to hear Neil Innes's Elton John spoof again. It's brilliant. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Nathan Barley' on Tue Nov 7 16:45:41 GMT 2000:

"I thought it was quite amusing, and very well executed. But Foghorn's right about it being too axe-grindy and clever-clever.

I mean, really, what's the point? Anyone?"

Um... www.tvgohome.com Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Tue Nov 7 16:46:25 GMT 2000:

That was me, really.

I haven't heard the words to the TGP parody yet, so I am missing a whole dimension of it. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Tue Nov 7 16:47:58 GMT 2000:

It's the axe-grindy aspect of TVGH that I like, boat-sheep apart. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Steven' on Tue Nov 7 17:43:08 GMT 2000:

It basically goes like this Jon:

Al Murray: "'Ello everyone, I'm the character of Al Murray.."

Julia Sawahla: "Jeez, that reminds me of my last script writers!" Huge Audience Laugh.

Al Murray: "And my character, the character of Al Murray is GAY! That's right, look out for the clues later on.." Starts doing copious sailor signs, Huge Audience Laugh.

Phil Daniels: "Sorry to interrupt, but I've just realised, isn't Time Gentlemen Please complete shit?" Audience Laugh.

Al Murray: "Yes, it is complete shit, but it's marketable shit, isn't it? Yeah! Which explains why our characters are being all post-modern, even though it's only the second episode."

Julia Sawahla: "Post-modern?! Sex-modern more like!" Huge Audience Laugh.

Al Murray: Looks at watch "Ooh, hang on.. I was never confused, It's been a year, You're up to something, Glass of white wine for the lady, phew, got them all in.. Did I mention I was gay?" Huge Audience Laughter.

Old Man: "I'm the old man one!"

Jason Freeman: "And I'm some sort of character as well I think?"

Rabecca Front: "And I really should know better at my age!" Huge Audience Laugh.

Richard Herring: "Hello everyone, hope you're all enjoying the show."

Al Murray: "Blimey! The wife!" Huge Audience Laugh. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Charlie Brooker on Tue Nov 7 19:02:57 GMT 2000:

>>"I thought it was quite amusing, and very well executed. But Foghorn's right about it being too axe-grindy and clever-clever.

>>I mean, really, what's the point? Anyone?"

>Um... www.tvgohome.com

Ah. Can't really argue with that, actually. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'boki' on Tue Nov 7 23:09:31 GMT 2000:

>Why does everyone say SOTCAA is back? I can't see anything but that cartoon, it doesn't mean it's back, but I did find this:
>
>http://www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses/index2.html

Sheee-it, that's even fuggin' scarier than the original! Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Urmmm' on Fri Nov 10 12:38:51 GMT 2000:

It's changed again.... Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Anonymous' on Fri Nov 10 12:44:56 GMT 2000:

Snidey reference to Jon - explanation please Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Fri Nov 10 12:49:51 GMT 2000:

What do you mean? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Mogwai on Fri Nov 10 13:29:05 GMT 2000:

> It's changed again...

Ah, that'll be http://www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses/index.html you're thinking of. And do they mean *our* Jon?
Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Fri Nov 10 14:23:25 GMT 2000:

I've just looked at it.

Yes, I am 'Jon' Norton. Can't see why I got into an item about the Brass List though. I've never seen Brass Eye. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Fri Nov 10 14:26:59 GMT 2000:

Well now I've finally arrived. I'm the target for some cutting-edge internet satire. It's certainly not "grab a reference" - here, the reference doesn't even mean anything outside their own site (as was). How odd. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Stuart O' on Fri Nov 10 14:47:15 GMT 2000:

So are you admitting you're a lairy internet wanker, then, or not? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Fri Nov 10 15:04:17 GMT 2000:

Oh, I am. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Stuart O' on Fri Nov 10 15:06:27 GMT 2000:

Fair enough, sounds like a badge of honour to me. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'kinder surprise' on Sat Nov 11 08:42:38 GMT 2000:

Jon's a fine man. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Justin on Sat Nov 11 08:58:22 GMT 2000:

>Jon's a fine man.

Seconded.

Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Max' on Sat Nov 11 10:24:55 GMT 2000:

Thirded Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Radiator Head Child' on Sat Nov 11 10:38:58 GMT 2000:

Fucked Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Peter O' on Sat Nov 11 10:45:39 GMT 2000:

>Fucked

At this hour?
Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Anonymous' on Sat Nov 11 13:24:40 GMT 2000:

You _are_ horny today, RHC Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Mogwai on Sun Nov 12 00:24:53 GMT 2000:

Been at the physics revision again, have we? Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By george on Sun Nov 12 01:51:33 GMT 2000:

>Jon's a fine man.

Indeed he is. Explanation please corpses.
Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'The Blues Project' on Sun Nov 12 19:09:00 GMT 2000:

We're waiting Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Mogwai on Mon Nov 13 01:08:08 GMT 2000:

They give the impression that they're now just flailing about, looking for targets... Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Stocky' on Mon Nov 13 09:27:41 GMT 2000:

I'm on the Brass List, and almost everyone on the list slags off TVGH, so it seems strange Corpses would label us as sycophants. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Rob S on Mon Nov 13 10:40:00 GMT 2000:

>I'm on the Brass List, and almost everyone on the list slags off TVGH, so it seems strange Corpses would label us as sycophants.

as somebody has already pointed out (I don't know which thread, probably the Corpses do...), they aren't. 'Brass List Sycophants' is not the same as 'Brass List'.

The corpses aren't around to answer your 'Jon' requests. (ie they have no net access) you should read anything into the silence
Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Mon Nov 13 14:07:45 GMT 2000:

Re: "Brass List Sycophants"

I don't remember anyone on this forum saying that TVGH was anything like Chris Morris' stuff.

There was an article in "Select" that linked TVGH and Jam as examples of a new trend of "dark comedy". But all that seemed to amount to is that neither were like the 11OCS. In other words, it was just some journo making up a pseudo-story out of some press releases. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Paul Shane' on Mon Nov 13 14:26:40 GMT 2000:

And anyway, if corpses don't have net access, how do they know what's going on on the brass list?

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By Richard Herring on Tue Nov 14 16:18:57 GMT 2000:

OK, I've seen the cartoon now. It's very funny. Brilliant animation - slightly disappointing script (you should have got me to write it for you)
I was interested that you called the show post modern by episode 2 - I don't think it is. The only post modern thing I can think of in the series so far is in episode 15 (as yet unbroadcast) when the Landlord says "nothing can possibly go wrong" and it then immediately doesn't. I rather like the fact that we have a rather trad sit-com, which is more like Carry On than Spaced. And in a good way. We deliberately didn't want to attack the form, cos we have come to realise that it is easy to point out how shit something is (lazy comedy slags etc), but harder to try and do something new.
Also the parody of Janet seems to miss the point. Janet is supposed to be a parody of Denise Van Outen type women who make sexual jokes about everything. So rather like Scary Movie, you are parodying something that is already a parody, apparently without understanding that fact. I agree that J Sawalha does actually make the character very funny and likeable, but that is what is at the heart of the character (in a similar way to the way the Richard Herring character in TMWRNJ etc, was meant to be a bit crap and obsessed with sex and thus annoying)
Yes and Terry should have farted and got a word wrong (neither thing is meant to be intrinsically funny in the show, just meant to demonstrate that alcohol has fucked his brain and body)

But the skill in the drawing and animation is magnificent and you all should really be putting your talents to more constructive use. IN fact Stewart has suggested that we put your animation out on any forthcoming video - but of course you wouldn't want to accept any of Murdoch's evil businessman in his suit and tie money would you fellas?!

In short, please try and get some work as an animator or put together a proposal for someone cos you should be getting your work seen by more than the 23 people who come on this forum. And seriously if you want to sell us the cartoon we would use it. 7/10 Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Steven' on Tue Nov 14 17:06:33 GMT 2000:

Well Mr Herring, this is going to sound nit picky, but I wanted to be an animator since I was little, but gave up trying a few years ago cos you either end up trying to do your own stuff in some sort of independent company where you starve to death of no wages, or you go and work for someone like Disney where you become some fucking boring 'in betweener' animator doing about 10,000 inbetween frames for crappy commercial cartoons. But with all this Flash jiggery pokery it seems people can create independent animated stuff very cheaply and achieve a wide audience on the net, well.. wide-ish.

But the Corpses cartoon doesn't really contain any animation really, it's all just static drawn or scanned pictures applied to polygons being rotated about and moved sideways, certainly very easy and quick to make but not really animation, sort of like those dreadful 11 O Clock Show things with the Windsor Tapestery and William Hague. But the Corpses are good at drawing, and maybe also good at animation if they did it in the more traditional sense, I hope you're winding them up about paying for the cartoon, because that seems ludicrious from the side of both parties.

What you say about Janet being a Denise Van Outen type parody doesn't come across in the show, it just appears as a crap character. This is part of the problem I was trying to address in my own crap way, I'm sure there are lots of clever ideas you have in your head about the show, but in the finished thing nothing of this comes across and just looks crap, wether it is in the performance or you can't get these things across in your actual writing is something for you to guess at. I don't want to get in a big stupid argument about the show again, but seeing more of the show has made me realise more things, I mean I just wanted to call TGP complete crap from the start like the Corpses have in their posts and in their cartoon, but I thought it would be more constructive to try and argue a case with you instead, but obviously I failed.
I might actually come back and write another post later on detailing some things I've noticed, you can just dismiss it as bollocks though if you wish, but I've been trying to dismiss TGP as bollocks too, but keep trying to forive myself for not liking a show that you write. Subject: Re: www.notbbc.co.uk/corpses
Posted By 'Jon' on Tue Nov 14 17:11:06 GMT 2000:

Do you succeed?